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Star Trek Online: Klingons Confirmed as PvP Only

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  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by jawapet



    Yea... here is your answer also. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6243795.html This really lends credence to a NWN MMO, that of course as Crpytic is the MMO company for Atari, Cryptic would be working on.

    Oh God, no. Not NWN. I can't stand the idea that Cryptic would be let anywhere near NWN.

     

    My thoughts exactly! I see massive suicides coming when that is confirmed, lol. :/

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  • DruzDruz Member Posts: 276

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  • DruzDruz Member Posts: 276
    Originally posted by mach789

    Originally posted by Hathi


     Hmm. On one hand, Star Trek was never really focused on Klingons as the main hero, but on the other hand if you are going to make them playable do it right.
    Are they using the LORTO model for PvP? just have klingons be the monsters?
    Rush rush to launch as many have said. Time is a wastin', Champ subs gonna fall off and we need STO Lifetime subs to roll in..
    Interest in game -1

    Keep in mind that you can still form fleets (guilds), trade, craft and do everything else that the Federation will be able to do, just minus the PvE portion. So no, it's not exactly monster-play.

    You can do all of those things in monster play, its still a shallow addition to any game

  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    Well, I was hoping to be able to play the Klingons, but since I really suck at PvP I won't have much fun at all playing that "faction."

  • boingedboinged Member UncommonPosts: 161

    A true Klingon warrior does not do quests!

    This is actually quite interesting but who are the Klingon's going to be fighting - each other or Federation?

  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155

    Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but does neither the person who wrote this news piece nor their editor know the difference between "confirmed as pvp only" and "almost entirely pvp"? I mean, you directly link a quote where they say there is already a tad bit of pve and they may add more. How about some accuracy if you're going to claim to be a reliable news source?

    On the topic at hand, initially I was disappointed on hearing this. However, as a friend of mine pointed out, considering their whole faction is based around pvp, perhaps they will be playable in new and interesting ways. It could turn out to be pretty fun.

    "Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000

  • DubelDubel Member Posts: 138

    So if you play Klingon you get half the game, if you play federation you get the whole game.  Sounds shitty to me.

  • KryogenicKryogenic Member Posts: 663
    Originally posted by jawapet

    Originally posted by kennethk


    Leave it to good ol Jack to open his mouth, shove his foot deep down his throat and screw up yet another cant miss IP.  I am interested in what IP can Cryptic completely destroy next. 

     

    Yea... here is your answer also. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6243795.html This really lends credence to a NWN MMO, that of course as Crpytic is the MMO company for Atari, Cryptic would be working on.

     

    I really hope that Cryptic hasn't Gumped their way into developing a NWN MMORPG. I loved NWN and I think Bioware did an outstanding job on the game.

    That being said I hate NWN2. Bioware gets us pregnant with a great game and then leaves us, and throws the sequel to Obsidian who haven't put out a decent game in quite some time.

    The only reason I don't dislike Obsidian as a whole as much as I dislike Cryptic as a whole is that Obsidian has the decency to only push their ineptitude on us every few years, where as Cryptic can't crap out sub par games fast enough.

    I've been a Star Trek fan since I was a kid, but I don't think I'm going to play this game. Maybe I'm wrong and Cryptic will wow us all and bring balance to the for... I mean live long and prosper.

     

  • krowxxviikrowxxvii Member Posts: 177

    I was really looking forward to playing a Klingon. Having read Kahless all those years ago, I love the idea of being a brutal and honorable warrior in space, and Warf being my favorite character from TNG, I just have to play a Klingon (can we make Klingon characters if we're Federation?).

    But it's not gonna happen any time soon. I was thinking there would be at least three factions to choose from: Federation, Klingon, and other (Romulans, Cardassians, or ??).

     

    Still, I might get the game. Undecided at this point. But definitely disappointed by this news ...

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  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by boinged


    A true Klingon warrior does not do quests!
    This is actually quite interesting but who are the Klingon's going to be fighting - each other or Federation?

     

    I must admit there is some logic in this. I mean as a Federation guy you can imagine to do many missions: explore some analomies, make peace in some conflict, cultural exchange... but as Klingons its... well war. Can you imagine doing any mission with a Klingon that does involve no killing and "glory of war"? Thats the downside of the entire Trek universe, if I may say: many races are quite single-minded.

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  • DanubusDanubus Member Posts: 169

    The thing is plain and simple that Cryptic is rushing the game out the door. Why have different factions if your not going to flesh out those factions at launch? You are basically hoping enough suckers will buy your game and stick with it long enough for you to justify having to put in content that people wanted from the get go. I have a relative in beta and he was so upset at the direction the game was taking he quit testing it.  He said the space battles were cool, but that all the other content was just boring and not really well done. So, I guess all we are going to do is shoot each other in space when the game comes out. I will never understand why Cryptic can take a game that is a sure fire win and screw it up. They did it with Champions and their doing it with Star Trek. 

  • DanaDana Member Posts: 2,415

    Just an FYI, I'm talking to Jack Emmert in about 10 minutes about Klingons.



    Story will follow later this evening.

    Dana Massey
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    Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios

  • krowxxviikrowxxvii Member Posts: 177
    Originally posted by Dana


    Just an FYI, I'm talking to Jack Emmert in about 10 minutes about Klingons.


    Story will follow later this evening.

     

    Awesome!

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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Member Posts: 80
    Originally posted by Dubel


    So if you play Klingon you get half the game, if you play federation you get the whole game.  Sounds shitty to me.

      Yeah, but fear not...if you sub anyway they may add more for them a year from now! Lol, I'm out. Was following this game with a lot of trepidation as it was. No need to even bother with that any further.

  • kartoolkartool Member UncommonPosts: 520

    You would think that since Klingons have their own planets and territories in the Empire that there would be plenty of PVE type missions. Go to a space station and protect it. Go to a city and investigate some kind of sickness. Escort duty, capture a ship, or a defense satellite needs repairing, or maybe some kind of sabotage or starbase protection type mission? 

    My guess is they ran out of time and can't delay release so they're shipping the game gimped. It almost sounds like they don't quite know what they're doing with the Klingons. That's a scary thought considering the time left until release. I was going to pre-order today. I'm glad I saw this first. You can't really consider Klingons playable if they're going to be nothing more than a PVP mini-game.

  • kennethkkennethk Member Posts: 45
    Originally posted by Nifa

    Originally posted by kennethk


    Leave it to good ol Jack to open his mouth, shove his foot deep down his throat and screw up yet another cant miss IP.  I am interested in what IP can Cryptic completely destroy next. 

    I'm no fan of Cryptic, not by any means.  Still, without actually having played the game (or Champions, because, well, I did play City of Heroes and found it to be terribly boring), I don't necessarily believe this to be fair.

    Do I intend to play STO?  No, not really.  Not anymore.  Because Cryptic is running it and that company really does have a bad reputation with me and because this (now confirmed) news about the Klingons being PvP only really leaves a sour taste in this major Star Trek fan's mouth.  

    But I do not think it fair to say that Cryptic has already completely destroyed the Star Trek IP...yet.  I have friends playing the beta now and friends who intend to play the game when it launches.  Perhaps I might have a look at it as they play, perhaps not.  There is always time for Cryptic to step up and change my mind about both their company and this game.

    Still, Cryptic (and others) would do well to keep in mind that it is not necessarily true that slapping a <insert IP name here> label on something guarantees box sales or subscription numbers.  I may love Star Trek, but I abhor poorly made games, movies and programs (*cough* Enterprise *cough*), so no, just because it says "Star Trek" on it does not mean you are getting my money.



     

    Given Cryptic's track record and Jack Emmert's own track record (I was in CoX when Cryptic was still developing and his snotty treatment of paying customers), with the information presented about STO, yes, I can say that Cryptic has destroyed the IP. I can say it with complete certainty.  It is completely fair.

  • 1pitboss1pitboss Member Posts: 70

    So you guys that are saying it is ok because Klingons are all about fighting know nothing of Star Trek. You are telling me that any race including the borg do not need to expand and need vital resources. Every race are explorers even if it is only to get a hand up over everyone else. Regardless, if it is ore or slaves or another planet to inhabit to offset population every society has the same needs. Even the borg grow so to limit that area could not be MORE opposite of what Star Trek stood for. There again could have been a way to pvp for planets in solar systems for resources for one idea.  Playing an orion pirate would be great raiding other ships. It could have been a great game if it just really incorporated the real concept of star trek now I am just more sad.

  • krowxxviikrowxxvii Member Posts: 177

    Ok, i've given it some thought. I'm not only going to buy this game, but I'm going to preorder the collector's edition. why?

     

    Star Trek has always been my favorite IP, ever. I remember when I first heard that an MMO of Star Trek is in the making, waaaay back before Cryptic obtained the rights. And I've been stoked ever since. And now that it's finally here... well, this is kind of a momentous occasion. The first Star Trek MMO. I want to be there. And if you think about it, a lot of the single player Star Trek games didn't give you a choice of choosing Klingon, or any other faction, because the focus of Star Trek has always been on the Federation.

    And yes, I have Marina Sirtis' autograph from a Trek convention I went to 14 years ago.

    Yes, I am going to buy this game. I am going to help Cryptic develop the game I've wanted for sooo long by showing my support and buying the game. And if it's an option and I have the money to do so, I will lifetime sub it, guaranteed.

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  • JYCowboyJYCowboy Member UncommonPosts: 652
    Originally posted by kartool


    You would think that since Klingons have their own planets and territories in the Empire that there would be plenty of PVE type missions. Go to a space station and protect it. Go to a city and investigate some kind of sickness. Escort duty, capture a ship, or a defense satellite needs repairing, or maybe some kind of sabotage or starbase protection type mission? 
    My guess is they ran out of time and can't delay release so they're shipping the game gimped. It almost sounds like they don't quite know what they're doing with the Klingons. That's a scary thought considering the time left until release. I was going to pre-order today. I'm glad I saw this first. You can't really consider Klingons playable if they're going to be nothing more than a PVP mini-game.



     

    Paramount/CBS probably has a really unreasonable schedule for this MMO's release.  At least thats what I see.  I figure they got Cryptic by the short hairs on the release.  Further, for the short time Cryptic has had to develope this game, a lot of the Federation Content was probably hold overs from Perpetual's team.  Assets like art and system frame work were modified to fit within the new scope Cryptic agreed with Paramount to pursue.  IMHO.

  • Hermes_ZumHermes_Zum Member Posts: 38

    PvP only is exaggerated, I'm out.

  • GozerTCGozerTC Member UncommonPosts: 119

    Now I wanted to play a Klingon to do PvP but that's not ALL I wanted to do.  Especially since the only way I can lvl is with PvP?  WTH?  

    I am disapointed.  I am standing on my "No box Purchase" on this game.  I will wait to play for free at some point in the future.  Maybe then it'll make sense.  *Sighs* 

     

     

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  • GyrusGyrus Member UncommonPosts: 2,413
    Originally posted by krowxxvii


    Ok, i've given it some thought. I'm not only going to buy this game, but I'm going to preorder the collector's edition. why?
     ...
    Yes, I am going to buy this game. I am going to help Cryptic develop the game I've wanted for sooo long by showing my support and buying the game. And if it's an option and I have the money to do so, I will lifetime sub it, guaranteed.

     

    Why is it that MMO 'players' feel the need to 'support' a business in this way?

     

    It's a business.

     

    I have a business - if I PM you my account details - why don't you support my business?

    Or, why not just send Cryptic a donation?  After all, printing the CE costs them money and they only get a small proportion of what you pay... so you would be helping them more not to buy the CE and just send a donation.

     

    But really, by buying the CE you are not sending the message "I support you and want to help you develop the game further."

    You are sending the message "I am satisfied with this product the way it is."

    Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Gyrus

    Originally posted by krowxxvii


    Ok, i've given it some thought. I'm not only going to buy this game, but I'm going to preorder the collector's edition. why?
     ...
    Yes, I am going to buy this game. I am going to help Cryptic develop the game I've wanted for sooo long by showing my support and buying the game. And if it's an option and I have the money to do so, I will lifetime sub it, guaranteed.

     

    Why is it that MMO 'players' feel the need to 'support' a business in this way?

     

    It's a business.

     

    I have a business - if I PM you my account details - why don't you support my business?

    Or, why not just send Cryptic a donation?  After all, printing the CE costs them money and they only get a small proportion of what you pay... so you would be helping them more not to buy the CE and just send a donation.

     

    But really, by buying the CE you are not sending the message "I support you and want to help you develop the game further."

    You are sending the message "I am satisfied with this product the way it is."

    Your correct. It boggles the mind the way some throw money at a "maybe".  I have heard of no other product where people do this. Wonder how many send money to a car manufacturer to " support the development "of next years model so they can buy one?

  • JYCowboyJYCowboy Member UncommonPosts: 652

    Just as a related side note, did anyone catch this report?

    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=26559

    These jokers that have the Atari name really need to straighten out their act.  They are so unprofessional.  I wonder how much Paramount is rethinking thier deal?

  • GyrusGyrus Member UncommonPosts: 2,413
    Originally posted by JYCowboy


    Just as a related side note, did anyone catch this report?
    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=26559
    These jokers that have the Atari name really need to straighten out their act.  They are so unprofessional.  I wonder how much Paramount is rethinking thier deal?

    Paramount cannot do anything based on this - but, having said that, it could provide Paramount with some potential ways out.

    Turbine is suing Atari and having read the court filing I think they have a provable case and could win.

    They are suing Atari for more than Atari is worth on paper IIRC.  But Atari does have things they can sell...

    However, if Hasbro wins their case and manages to cancel the DDO license then Turbine can sue Atari again for damages as they will no longer have the license to run DDO either.

    Turbine can then deal with Hasbro directly and get the rights direct from Hasbro - if Hasbro agrees.

    Hasbro however is firmly in the driving seat at that point and can dictate terms.

    Meanwhile Atari could find itself in a position where it is no longer able to live up to its obligations on the Star Trek license?

    In that case, Paramount could also sue and recover the license for that game too.

    Cryptic would then sue Atari.

    Paramount would then be in a position to give the STO license to whomever they choose under whatever terms they choose?

    I wouldn't be buying that 'lifetime sub' at this point.  It could be a short 'lifetime'?

    Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.

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