Seems to me that WoW haters that were new to the genre from games newer then WoW, have moved on into newer and newer games' fan base. This wouldnt be such a impact, if they had little effect on the Developer's mind set. But what I have notice is that, Many Developers are trying to make games to appel to these crouds. And Many of these haters, strongly believe that anything that is in WoW, was created By Blizzard, so they hate on anything Similar to be added to new games, simply because WoW has it. Today alone, I ran into somebody that said they hated Paladins, because WoW made it. What kind of bullshit is this? Paladins been in RPG since DnD. Iav also had somebody Complain about Large Scale PvE, because they think WoW invented it. --------------- I remember during the Warhammer Beta times, when Fans would go Berzeker if anybody suggested the PvE get buffed and fixed. The excuse was always (This s a PvP game, WoW is a PvE game), as if a MMORPG can do well with crappy PvE now days. IMO thats one of the main problems that brought War down from the start. ---------------- Cant you people see yet, that it is these newer WoW haters that are destroying the Genre. Not this Sandbox vs Theme Park thing that many people seem to blame on Blizzard. Because most Sandbox games fell hard on their own terms. Vanguard is a good example of this.
I play sinds 99 mmorpg's and i hated WoW before it was launched and still hate it those that count to:P
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Stop doing stupid dramatizations. I dont like the way WoW is nowadays, but if it wasnt for WoW this site would probably be empty and the market would be full of unpolished grinding crap.
So get on your feet and recognize what WoW and Blizz did for the genre. Including bringing millions of new ppl to it
Personally, I don't want millions of new small minded, immature sheep in my games running around:
Running their mouths by taunting others and talking trash because they know you can't reach through the screen and pound their asses
whining that "it's too haaarrrrd"
Begging "can i hve a sord lik urs"
Rudely running into an area and kill stealing without seeing if anyone already there. (/shout "CAMP CHECK")
Ninja looting
etc..etc..
I would rather there still be only a few million players that played MMORPGs where the core number of players were mature and relatively decent and didn't expect everything to be just handed to them. Furthermore, I'd take a good grind (minor bugs included) that I could spend hours on end grouping with good people rather than a 0-60 in a month, perfectly polished, idiot infested, sorry excuse for a supposedly indepth, immersive game anyday. (stops before his run on sentence causes himself to pass out.)
As I said once before, out of 6 billion people on this planet, the majority still think it's OK to continue to use up all the planets resources with no thought to how it will affect the future simply becuae it's not "their" future. Just because something is voted by the majority doesn't automatically make it right.
Personally, I don't hate MMOs. Nor do I hate WoW. I hate what MMO's have become because of WoW. I think that kind of matches what you are saying in your post.
"Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro
It's not that WoW is a bad game. It's just hard to take very seriously. Every mmorpg veteran that I know who's played wow, realized after an hour of playing it that it was a shallow, fisher-price stand-in that was merely going to act as a pacifier until the next big thing came along. The problem is, the next big thing never came along. All the UO, EQ and DAoC refugees ended up getting stuck in the Azeroth rut.
And the WoW community? Part of the reason it IS so poor these days is because nobody's particularly happy about being there. WoW doesn't take it's own lore or content seriously (Haris Pilton NPCs and "I.W.I.N." buttons? Seriously?) why should the player base?
When your content is aimed at impressing the trendy pop culture crowd in a cheap slap stick effort to amuse kids and casuals, is there any wonder why the theme of most /auction chat is dick and fart jokes?
I'm not saying that WOW doesn't have its place. It does. Just like a good ATHF or Robot Chicken episode, it can definitely serve as a diversion. But to set the D&D or MUD/EQ crowd down (which is the foundation of the MMORPG genre) in front of WOW and tell them this is meant for them is sort of a slap in the face.
The fact of the matter is good MMORPGS don't get made these days unless there is a shit-ton of money to be made in the process. With the success of WoW, the whole genre has been bastardized and simpled down to the point of simplicity for simplicity's sake. The eradication of the death penalty (or laughable consequences for death), the mindless grindable ease at which the cap can be reached and the general *dumbing* down of the entire experience has stained the entire genre.
The fact that it's acceptable for supposed *hardcores* to assert that corpse runs or experience penalties are somehow "insane" is proof enough that the genre has been carebeared for a good long while.
This is part of the reason I feel there is some justified ire aimed at World of Warcraft.
It's not that WoW is a bad game. It's just hard to take very seriously. Every mmorpg veteran that I know who's played wow, realized after an hour of playing it that it was a shallow, fisher-price stand-in that was merely going to act as a pacifier until the next big thing came along. The problem is, the next big thing never came along. All the UO, EQ and DAoC refugees ended up getting stuck in the Azeroth rut. And the WoW community? Part of the reason it IS so poor these days is because nobody's particularly happy about being there. WoW doesn't take it's own lore or content seriously (Haris Pilton NPCs and "I.W.I.N." buttons? Seriously?) why should the player base? When your content is aimed at impressing the trendy pop culture crowd in a cheap slap stick effort to amuse kids and casuals, is there any wonder why the theme of most /auction chat is dick and fart jokes? I'm not saying that WOW doesn't have its place. It does. Just like a good ATHF or Robot Chicken episode, it can definitely serve as a diversion. But to set the D&D or MUD/EQ crowd down (which is the foundation of the MMORPG genre) in front of WOW and tell them this is meant for them is sort of a slap in the face. The fact of the matter is good MMORPGS don't get made these days unless there is a shit-ton of money to be made in the process. With the success of WoW, the whole genre has been bastardized and simpled down to the point of simplicity for simplicity's sake. The eradication of the death penalty (or laughable consequences for death), the mindless grindable ease at which the cap can be reached and the general *dumbing* down of the entire experience has stained the entire genre. The fact that it's acceptable for supposed *hardcores* to assert that corpse runs or experience penalties are somehow "insane" is proof enough that the genre has been carebeared for a good long while. This is part of the reason I feel there is some justified ire aimed at World of Warcraft.
games that are too serious, fail. Remember,,,,, NO DANCING in Warhammer?
It's not that WoW is a bad game. It's just hard to take very seriously. Every mmorpg veteran that I know who's played wow, realized after an hour of playing it that it was a shallow, fisher-price stand-in that was merely going to act as a pacifier until the next big thing came along. The problem is, the next big thing never came along. All the UO, EQ and DAoC refugees ended up getting stuck in the Azeroth rut. And the WoW community? Part of the reason it IS so poor these days is because nobody's particularly happy about being there. WoW doesn't take it's own lore or content seriously (Haris Pilton NPCs and "I.W.I.N." buttons? Seriously?) why should the player base? When your content is aimed at impressing the trendy pop culture crowd in a cheap slap stick effort to amuse kids and casuals, is there any wonder why the theme of most /auction chat is dick and fart jokes? I'm not saying that WOW doesn't have its place. It does. Just like a good ATHF or Robot Chicken episode, it can definitely serve as a diversion. But to set the D&D or MUD/EQ crowd down (which is the foundation of the MMORPG genre) in front of WOW and tell them this is meant for them is sort of a slap in the face. The fact of the matter is good MMORPGS don't get made these days unless there is a shit-ton of money to be made in the process. With the success of WoW, the whole genre has been bastardized and simpled down to the point of simplicity for simplicity's sake. The eradication of the death penalty (or laughable consequences for death), the mindless grindable ease at which the cap can be reached and the general *dumbing* down of the entire experience has stained the entire genre. The fact that it's acceptable for supposed *hardcores* to assert that corpse runs or experience penalties are somehow "insane" is proof enough that the genre has been carebeared for a good long while. This is part of the reason I feel there is some justified ire aimed at World of Warcraft.
I'll bite...
Chat has always had nutty people in every MMO I ever played. Everquest had some of the worst i'd ever seen. Get a few people in the same zone going for the same npc's and it was a stacked pyre just waiting for a spark.
You would get "trolls" all over in Everquest, training mobs on you just to grief you. Or you would /permit some stranger to drag your corpse to a safe place for you to loot, but instead they drag it deeper and deeper into the dungeon.
What about the people that would LD in your groups if somone made a mistake, like god forbid break a mez. Group still survives, but all of a sudden your enchanter is LD. Ya, thanks for being cool and tolerant.
DAoC had crazy chat all the time also. 8 man groups arguing or epeen waving. People being shut out cause of the class they played or character build they had...
Multi user Dungeons... These were the birth of random chat and trolls. When a server only has 30-40 people online total and the chat resembled something you might hear if everyone was anonymous in a strip club.
Muds with no moderation at all can be scary places. There are some really good mud communities out there, but they have very active admins.
Crazy, immature, or mentally disturbed people have always been in games. World of Warcraft is just a game and not immune.
Some of the old timers aren't waiting for the next big MMO that fits the playstyles of old. There are still awesome games that fill that niche. If a newer game comes out that is awesome and happens to fit this style, so be it. I'm not holding my breath, nor do i feel slighted that one hasn't come out yet.
Last point, Ultima Online, Everquest, and Dark Age of Camelot are all still alive and well.
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
I dont like the way WoW is nowadays, but if it wasnt for WoW this site would probably be empty and the market would be full of unpolished grinding crap.
So get on your feet and recognize what WoW and Blizz did for the genre. Including bringing millions of new ppl to it
A lot of people feel that WoW hurt the genre and the majority of the gamers it brought into the genre are the dregs of gaming... so it's hard to be appreciative towards Blizzard for that.
A lot of people are stupid.
Nice to see you agree with him.
Anyway WoW did 2 things to the MMO scene.
1. Brought a lot of people to the MMO scene.
2. Showed how a cookie cutter style of play with a set course with a story to it can be popular.
of course 1 brought in a lot of the lazy gamers we get today demanding things get easier.
and 2 provided a basic template for most game companies to copy without the need for much in the way of inovative thinking.
Thankfully tho we still have the odd decent mmo out there that caters to those who enjoy a challange in a game.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Wow if anything turned MMORPG gaming from a quasi "underground" movement to mainstream. For all the good it did for MMORPG's ( expanded the playerbase ) it brought more evils in aka, the template for gaming companies to make money and have zero innovation. It also brought in the "instant gratification" factor into MMO gaming aka people want it now and don't want to spend time getting it.
Simply put people don't want to travel anymore in games because they can't be there NOW.
People don't want to do long quests or work at any time sinks because they want it NOW.
People don't want grouping because it takes too long to form groups etc etc so they want it NOW.
Simple put for everything WoW has done to IMPROVE the genre. It also made it cookie cutter and just another cash cow for video game companies (many of the smaller studios in turn have been bought out by EA , TURBINE , ATARI OR CRYPTIC and now we have the mega video game companies who care much more now about the bottom line and that is money. )
Wow if anything turned MMORPG gaming from a quasi "underground" movement to mainstream. For all the good it did for MMORPG's ( expanded the playerbase ) it brought more evils in aka, the template for gaming companies to make money and have zero innovation. It also brought in the "instant gratification" factor into MMO gaming aka people want it now and don't want to spend time getting it. Simply put people don't want to travel anymore in games because they can't be there NOW. People don't want to do long quests or work at any time sinks because they want it NOW. People don't want grouping because it takes too long to form groups etc etc so they want it NOW. Simple put for everything WoW has done to IMPROVE the genre. It also made it cookie cutter and just another cash cow for video game companies (many of the smaller studios in turn have been bought out by EA , TURBINE , ATARI OR CRYPTIC and now we have the mega video game companies who care much more now about the bottom line and that is money. ) Thanks WoW for all you have given us.
WoW did not do anything but be successful, don't blame them for doing what they do best. I wouldn't even blame the companies for even having games that resemble WoW. Hey WoW did it with EQ why can't anyone else try? If you had millions of dollars sitting around, are you going to risk it on something that is hit or miss, or are you going to want to try something a little more surefire? Half of you probably wouldn't answer these questions honestly because deep down we all know the truth behind it. People worry about money and want to make more of it (and don't want to lose it as well), that's only natural even amongst ourselves as gamers and simply, as human beings.
With instant gratification, don't act like you're no part of it, how many times you went to a fast food restaurant in the last week, at least once or twice. And if you didn't, you obviously are still in high school. We not only want these things instantly but almost need it as busy as our lives are. I'm sorry we all don't sacrifice our education/professions to get that awesome artifact that no one really cares about because they don't even have a chance at getting it with their busy lives.
I think with the grouping a lot of your perceptions are misconstrued, have you played WoW lately with their new Looking For Group tool? I think its in everyone's best interest to work together as best as possible now that instancing is in the forefront of everything, in leveling and gearing etc.
BTW what's so cookie cutter about making a game that resembles WoW? All the other genres do it with shooters, sports games (when's the last time those rules changed?), real time strategy etc. but we aren't all crying Counter Strike clones when the new Half Life came out or Warcraft clone when Dawn of War came out. Again, terms that are thrown out all too often without people really thinking about what they're saying.
WoW has improved the genre besides making it mainstream, hell, how did they even get to mainstream in the first place if they didn't do anything better. Again, they do what's best, give customers what they want and do it with quality and polish. A very rare quality that most companies don't possess as much as Blizzard does the more I think about it. I guess that's why we hold everything to "Blizzard standards" these days. They push the genres they are a part of and they make it fun most importantly. Just because something isn't time consuming doesn't mean the rest of the game goes out the window with it, hell it should be looked at as an improvement. Games can still have challenge and group cooperation and whatever else the whiners are crying about without it having to consume everyone's time. Again, we all have lives outside of these games (except maybe the whiners that seem to have nothing else better to do but look for or complain about the lack of time consuming challenges).
wow is the reason mmos exists the day today. thanks blizzard.
Reason mmo's excist is becouse of pioneers like UO-AC-EQ not WoW.
WoW was mainly a copy of eq-ac2 and some own design almost nothing was original about that game.
If WoW would not have been released you still have mmo's like lineage2 with million's followers or everquest2 would be succes and who knows what would have happen.
But its true WoW brought many to MMO scene there is no denying that.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
First off WoW was/is/will always be a well designed game.
Second off all I think people are tired of Tank and spank and leveling your toon to max.
If you put EQ, Daoc, Linage2, WoW, Lotro, AoC, WAR, Aion...... in one long line after one anohter you quicky see that there hasent been mush off an Inovation at all. Its Class based, its Fantasy, its leveling and tanking and spanking.... If you have played one you have played them all. Ok ok you have a few quirks like an inovating combat system in AoC, A cool IP in WAR(they destroyed it though by going kiddy friendly) Nice death penalty in linage2(going red and dropping gear was harsh hehe)
So what the haters are actually upset about is that they have seen it all before. They know whats coming, and most people quicky find that when they can predict the future things get booring fast......
Solution?? There is one game that dosent follow the above norm.. One game that is a true massive multiplayer game. It has one server, no classes, its not high fantasy, It dosent do raiding, Its not designed as a gear grind. It dosent have crappy crafting, you can actually build 99% of al the items ingame. It also has one of the harshest death penalties I have ever seen in a game. And the goal of the game is to destroy other players.... Its full blown PvP, most of you migth not no what that means. But in short everything you do, from trading, manafacturing, to shooting other people in the face its all done against other players and not some lame as AI.... The AI is only there to make you money nothing more, the real game is against other players...
Now you are asking yourself what game is this that is so superior to all the rest. What game can be better then all the rest combinded.... I will tell you in one word
EVE.....If you consider yourself a true mmo player, EVE is the only game you should be playing Period! The rest are for children and woman... Men play EVE and nothing ells... Be a Man dont be a pussie join the most hardcore comunity in online gaming Today.
First off WoW was/is/will always be a well designed game. Second off all I think people are tired of Tank and spank and leveling your toon to max. If you put EQ, Daoc, Linage2, WoW, Lotro, AoC, WAR, Aion...... in one long line after one anohter you quicky see that there hasent been mush off an Inovation at all. Its Class based, its Fantasy, its leveling and tanking and spanking.... If you have played one you have played them all. Ok ok you have a few quirks like an inovating combat system in AoC, A cool IP in WAR(they destroyed it though by going kiddy friendly) Nice death penalty in linage2(going red and dropping gear was harsh hehe) So what the haters are actually upset about is that they have seen it all before. They know whats coming, and most people quicky find that when they can predict the future things get booring fast...... Solution?? There is one game that dosent follow the above norm.. One game that is a true massive multiplayer game. It has one server, no classes, its not high fantasy, It dosent do raiding, Its not designed as a gear grind. It dosent have crappy crafting, you can actually build 99% of al the items ingame. It also has one of the harshest death penalties I have ever seen in a game. And the goal of the game is to destroy other players.... Its full blown PvP, most of you migth not no what that means. But in short everything you do, from trading, manafacturing, to shooting other people in the face its all done against other players and not some lame as AI.... The AI is only there to make you money nothing more, the real game is against other players... Now you are asking yourself what game is this that is so superior to all the rest. What game can be better then all the rest combinded.... I will tell you in one word EVE.....If you consider yourself a true mmo player, EVE is the only game you should be playing Period! The rest are for children and woman... Men play EVE and nothing ells... Be a Man dont be a pussie join the most hardcore comunity in online gaming Today.
Then I guess I will stick to my "pussy" games since I am female and I do happen to enjoy other games other than EVE which I have played..I'm glad to stick with mine. WoW while a great game...the community sucks, people who like it make you hate it.
-You know i wouldnt mind expansions that imo ruined game as much as community this days.....its loaded with arrogant pricks that hate everything and think that they are elite players but actually they are retarded dushbags <_<
Maybe if you learned a bit about both grammar and spelling you might be taken a bit more serious. Try putting in a bit more time in school and a bit less time playing games and you would be surprised how much more that will help you in life.
Maybe if you learned a bit about both grammar and spelling you might be taken a bit more serious. Try putting in a bit more time in school and a bit less time playing games and you would be surprised how much more that will help you in life.
-First of all in my country we dont speak english so i couldnt care less about grammar and spelling....and i finish with school long time ago, so basicly you were being *nice* in a rude prick kinda way? i really hate ppl like you....not everyone know perfect english.
Maybe if you learned a bit about both grammar and spelling you might be taken a bit more serious. Try putting in a bit more time in school and a bit less time playing games and you would be surprised how much more that will help you in life.
-First of all in my country we dont speak english so i couldnt care less about grammar and spelling....and i finish with school long time ago, so basicly you were being *nice* in a rude prick kinda way? i really hate ppl like you....not everyone know perfect english.
I think that message was meant to the OP >.>
And nothing is killing the MMO genre besides bad MMOs.
Playing - EVE, Wurm
Retired - Final Fantasy XI, Anarchy Online, Mabinogi
Maybe if you learned a bit about both grammar and spelling you might be taken a bit more serious. Try putting in a bit more time in school and a bit less time playing games and you would be surprised how much more that will help you in life.
Trollbait much?
Or you are plain ignorant. To ignore someone's message just because of spelling and/or grammar mistakes, is just plain stupid. Language is nothing but a vessel for your thoughts. Its the thought that counts, unless you are very superficial and only care for the package.
Maybe if you learned a bit about both grammar and spelling you might be taken a bit more serious. Try putting in a bit more time in school and a bit less time playing games and you would be surprised how much more that will help you in life.
MMM I think you should do the same... English isent my first language. I would like to see you write anything understandable in my native toung?? I can make myself understood in 5 languanges. The world is not just The united states of america, but the level of your education over there is sad to say the least. So I forgive you this time for not understanding that the world is a big place and not all of us are Americans...
Then I guess I will stick to my "pussy" games since I am female and I do happen to enjoy other games other than EVE which I have played..I'm glad to stick with mine. WoW while a great game...the community sucks, people who like it make you hate it.
Yes WoW is an exellent game for girls. My Girl friend plays it. She has a pink haried gnome that she loves to run around doing things with.
WoW is a game for girls... also that is a great game design as where the girls are boys will go. Blizzard had this in mind when they designed it I promise you. They are the best at what they do.. the numbers speak for themselfs and making it girly friendly was a smart move to say the least.
But real Men should come and play EvE... but we have alot ot cowards out there that like to play their carabare shit and hold hands and sing we are the world, if you are one them go here and enjoy www.youtube.com/watch
The Rest of you should head over here www.youtube.com/watch and then go to Eve online and sign up
EVE is a tough game to get into. It is literally the only game that I have fell asleep playing. It isn't a bad game by any means but I have a hard time playing a ship rather than a humanoid character.
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I play sinds 99 mmorpg's and i hated WoW before it was launched and still hate it those that count to:P
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Personally, I don't want millions of new small minded, immature sheep in my games running around:
I would rather there still be only a few million players that played MMORPGs where the core number of players were mature and relatively decent and didn't expect everything to be just handed to them. Furthermore, I'd take a good grind (minor bugs included) that I could spend hours on end grouping with good people rather than a 0-60 in a month, perfectly polished, idiot infested, sorry excuse for a supposedly indepth, immersive game anyday. (stops before his run on sentence causes himself to pass out.)
As I said once before, out of 6 billion people on this planet, the majority still think it's OK to continue to use up all the planets resources with no thought to how it will affect the future simply becuae it's not "their" future. Just because something is voted by the majority doesn't automatically make it right.
eq2 is for you then!
"Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro
It's not that WoW is a bad game. It's just hard to take very seriously. Every mmorpg veteran that I know who's played wow, realized after an hour of playing it that it was a shallow, fisher-price stand-in that was merely going to act as a pacifier until the next big thing came along. The problem is, the next big thing never came along. All the UO, EQ and DAoC refugees ended up getting stuck in the Azeroth rut.
And the WoW community? Part of the reason it IS so poor these days is because nobody's particularly happy about being there. WoW doesn't take it's own lore or content seriously (Haris Pilton NPCs and "I.W.I.N." buttons? Seriously?) why should the player base?
When your content is aimed at impressing the trendy pop culture crowd in a cheap slap stick effort to amuse kids and casuals, is there any wonder why the theme of most /auction chat is dick and fart jokes?
I'm not saying that WOW doesn't have its place. It does. Just like a good ATHF or Robot Chicken episode, it can definitely serve as a diversion. But to set the D&D or MUD/EQ crowd down (which is the foundation of the MMORPG genre) in front of WOW and tell them this is meant for them is sort of a slap in the face.
The fact of the matter is good MMORPGS don't get made these days unless there is a shit-ton of money to be made in the process. With the success of WoW, the whole genre has been bastardized and simpled down to the point of simplicity for simplicity's sake. The eradication of the death penalty (or laughable consequences for death), the mindless grindable ease at which the cap can be reached and the general *dumbing* down of the entire experience has stained the entire genre.
The fact that it's acceptable for supposed *hardcores* to assert that corpse runs or experience penalties are somehow "insane" is proof enough that the genre has been carebeared for a good long while.
This is part of the reason I feel there is some justified ire aimed at World of Warcraft.
games that are too serious, fail. Remember,,,,, NO DANCING in Warhammer?
I'll bite...
Chat has always had nutty people in every MMO I ever played. Everquest had some of the worst i'd ever seen. Get a few people in the same zone going for the same npc's and it was a stacked pyre just waiting for a spark.
You would get "trolls" all over in Everquest, training mobs on you just to grief you. Or you would /permit some stranger to drag your corpse to a safe place for you to loot, but instead they drag it deeper and deeper into the dungeon.
What about the people that would LD in your groups if somone made a mistake, like god forbid break a mez. Group still survives, but all of a sudden your enchanter is LD. Ya, thanks for being cool and tolerant.
DAoC had crazy chat all the time also. 8 man groups arguing or epeen waving. People being shut out cause of the class they played or character build they had...
Multi user Dungeons... These were the birth of random chat and trolls. When a server only has 30-40 people online total and the chat resembled something you might hear if everyone was anonymous in a strip club.
Muds with no moderation at all can be scary places. There are some really good mud communities out there, but they have very active admins.
Crazy, immature, or mentally disturbed people have always been in games. World of Warcraft is just a game and not immune.
Some of the old timers aren't waiting for the next big MMO that fits the playstyles of old. There are still awesome games that fill that niche. If a newer game comes out that is awesome and happens to fit this style, so be it. I'm not holding my breath, nor do i feel slighted that one hasn't come out yet.
Last point, Ultima Online, Everquest, and Dark Age of Camelot are all still alive and well.
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
A lot of people feel that WoW hurt the genre and the majority of the gamers it brought into the genre are the dregs of gaming... so it's hard to be appreciative towards Blizzard for that.
A lot of people are stupid.
Nice to see you agree with him.
Anyway WoW did 2 things to the MMO scene.
1. Brought a lot of people to the MMO scene.
2. Showed how a cookie cutter style of play with a set course with a story to it can be popular.
of course 1 brought in a lot of the lazy gamers we get today demanding things get easier.
and 2 provided a basic template for most game companies to copy without the need for much in the way of inovative thinking.
Thankfully tho we still have the odd decent mmo out there that caters to those who enjoy a challange in a game.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Wow if anything turned MMORPG gaming from a quasi "underground" movement to mainstream. For all the good it did for MMORPG's ( expanded the playerbase ) it brought more evils in aka, the template for gaming companies to make money and have zero innovation. It also brought in the "instant gratification" factor into MMO gaming aka people want it now and don't want to spend time getting it.
Simply put people don't want to travel anymore in games because they can't be there NOW.
People don't want to do long quests or work at any time sinks because they want it NOW.
People don't want grouping because it takes too long to form groups etc etc so they want it NOW.
Simple put for everything WoW has done to IMPROVE the genre. It also made it cookie cutter and just another cash cow for video game companies (many of the smaller studios in turn have been bought out by EA , TURBINE , ATARI OR CRYPTIC and now we have the mega video game companies who care much more now about the bottom line and that is money. )
Thanks WoW for all you have given us.
wow is the reason mmos exists the day today.
thanks blizzard.
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41291&page=2
See this is what I mean
WoW did not do anything but be successful, don't blame them for doing what they do best. I wouldn't even blame the companies for even having games that resemble WoW. Hey WoW did it with EQ why can't anyone else try? If you had millions of dollars sitting around, are you going to risk it on something that is hit or miss, or are you going to want to try something a little more surefire? Half of you probably wouldn't answer these questions honestly because deep down we all know the truth behind it. People worry about money and want to make more of it (and don't want to lose it as well), that's only natural even amongst ourselves as gamers and simply, as human beings.
With instant gratification, don't act like you're no part of it, how many times you went to a fast food restaurant in the last week, at least once or twice. And if you didn't, you obviously are still in high school. We not only want these things instantly but almost need it as busy as our lives are. I'm sorry we all don't sacrifice our education/professions to get that awesome artifact that no one really cares about because they don't even have a chance at getting it with their busy lives.
I think with the grouping a lot of your perceptions are misconstrued, have you played WoW lately with their new Looking For Group tool? I think its in everyone's best interest to work together as best as possible now that instancing is in the forefront of everything, in leveling and gearing etc.
BTW what's so cookie cutter about making a game that resembles WoW? All the other genres do it with shooters, sports games (when's the last time those rules changed?), real time strategy etc. but we aren't all crying Counter Strike clones when the new Half Life came out or Warcraft clone when Dawn of War came out. Again, terms that are thrown out all too often without people really thinking about what they're saying.
WoW has improved the genre besides making it mainstream, hell, how did they even get to mainstream in the first place if they didn't do anything better. Again, they do what's best, give customers what they want and do it with quality and polish. A very rare quality that most companies don't possess as much as Blizzard does the more I think about it. I guess that's why we hold everything to "Blizzard standards" these days. They push the genres they are a part of and they make it fun most importantly. Just because something isn't time consuming doesn't mean the rest of the game goes out the window with it, hell it should be looked at as an improvement. Games can still have challenge and group cooperation and whatever else the whiners are crying about without it having to consume everyone's time. Again, we all have lives outside of these games (except maybe the whiners that seem to have nothing else better to do but look for or complain about the lack of time consuming challenges).
Reason mmo's excist is becouse of pioneers like UO-AC-EQ not WoW.
WoW was mainly a copy of eq-ac2 and some own design almost nothing was original about that game.
If WoW would not have been released you still have mmo's like lineage2 with million's followers or everquest2 would be succes and who knows what would have happen.
But its true WoW brought many to MMO scene there is no denying that.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
MMOS without the masses is like a shemale without the surprise part
I was under the impression that WoW was basically EQ with all the original EQ'ers complaints addressed. So what seems to be the problem officer?
I mean, didnt Blizzard even employed hardcore EQ'ers to design WoW? You have what you always wanted, Rejoice!
First off WoW was/is/will always be a well designed game.
Second off all I think people are tired of Tank and spank and leveling your toon to max.
If you put EQ, Daoc, Linage2, WoW, Lotro, AoC, WAR, Aion...... in one long line after one anohter you quicky see that there hasent been mush off an Inovation at all. Its Class based, its Fantasy, its leveling and tanking and spanking.... If you have played one you have played them all. Ok ok you have a few quirks like an inovating combat system in AoC, A cool IP in WAR(they destroyed it though by going kiddy friendly) Nice death penalty in linage2(going red and dropping gear was harsh hehe)
So what the haters are actually upset about is that they have seen it all before. They know whats coming, and most people quicky find that when they can predict the future things get booring fast......
Solution?? There is one game that dosent follow the above norm.. One game that is a true massive multiplayer game. It has one server, no classes, its not high fantasy, It dosent do raiding, Its not designed as a gear grind. It dosent have crappy crafting, you can actually build 99% of al the items ingame. It also has one of the harshest death penalties I have ever seen in a game. And the goal of the game is to destroy other players.... Its full blown PvP, most of you migth not no what that means. But in short everything you do, from trading, manafacturing, to shooting other people in the face its all done against other players and not some lame as AI.... The AI is only there to make you money nothing more, the real game is against other players...
Now you are asking yourself what game is this that is so superior to all the rest. What game can be better then all the rest combinded.... I will tell you in one word
EVE.....If you consider yourself a true mmo player, EVE is the only game you should be playing Period! The rest are for children and woman... Men play EVE and nothing ells... Be a Man dont be a pussie join the most hardcore comunity in online gaming Today.
Then I guess I will stick to my "pussy" games since I am female and I do happen to enjoy other games other than EVE which I have played..I'm glad to stick with mine. WoW while a great game...the community sucks, people who like it make you hate it.
-You know i wouldnt mind expansions that imo ruined game as much as community this days.....its loaded with arrogant pricks that hate everything and think that they are elite players but actually they are retarded dushbags <_<
Maybe if you learned a bit about both grammar and spelling you might be taken a bit more serious. Try putting in a bit more time in school and a bit less time playing games and you would be surprised how much more that will help you in life.
-First of all in my country we dont speak english so i couldnt care less about grammar and spelling....and i finish with school long time ago, so basicly you were being *nice* in a rude prick kinda way? i really hate ppl like you....not everyone know perfect english.
-First of all in my country we dont speak english so i couldnt care less about grammar and spelling....and i finish with school long time ago, so basicly you were being *nice* in a rude prick kinda way? i really hate ppl like you....not everyone know perfect english.
I think that message was meant to the OP >.>
And nothing is killing the MMO genre besides bad MMOs.
Playing - EVE, Wurm
Retired - Final Fantasy XI, Anarchy Online, Mabinogi
Waiting - ArcheAge, Salem
Trollbait much?
Or you are plain ignorant. To ignore someone's message just because of spelling and/or grammar mistakes, is just plain stupid. Language is nothing but a vessel for your thoughts. Its the thought that counts, unless you are very superficial and only care for the package.
Iam just saying,
these are the people that you all need to call out
MMM I think you should do the same... English isent my first language. I would like to see you write anything understandable in my native toung?? I can make myself understood in 5 languanges. The world is not just The united states of america, but the level of your education over there is sad to say the least. So I forgive you this time for not understanding that the world is a big place and not all of us are Americans...
Then I guess I will stick to my "pussy" games since I am female and I do happen to enjoy other games other than EVE which I have played..I'm glad to stick with mine. WoW while a great game...the community sucks, people who like it make you hate it.
Yes WoW is an exellent game for girls. My Girl friend plays it. She has a pink haried gnome that she loves to run around doing things with.
WoW is a game for girls... also that is a great game design as where the girls are boys will go. Blizzard had this in mind when they designed it I promise you. They are the best at what they do.. the numbers speak for themselfs and making it girly friendly was a smart move to say the least.
But real Men should come and play EvE... but we have alot ot cowards out there that like to play their carabare shit and hold hands and sing we are the world, if you are one them go here and enjoy www.youtube.com/watch
The Rest of you should head over here www.youtube.com/watch and then go to Eve online and sign up
EVE is a tough game to get into. It is literally the only game that I have fell asleep playing. It isn't a bad game by any means but I have a hard time playing a ship rather than a humanoid character.