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blacktide777
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Have been in beta and still am in beta. Do not buy this game unless you really like throwing money away. The graphics stink and customer support is almost not even there.
I ordered this game quite awhile ago and have been watching the devs post for when we should have gotten our copy. Since when you purchase your allowed access to the beta, the box edition they send you they claim will be the most recent build. So far ive still not gotten my box in over a month and they took the money from my bank account. Even over charged my card and will not reply to emails or PM’s.
Trust me this game isnt worth the $57.00 they stole from me.
Dont let it happen to you, but if you do then good luck because this games hacked all to crap.
As of the date on this post , ive still not gotten an email or any response at all from any forms of contact that i tried.
This company has the worst public relations ive seen in years. Even reading posts on there own forums of others who cannot get any response or help is just sad. No way this games worth the money and certainly isnt worth the aggravation or time.
If anyone decides to buy this game, get ready for disappointment. I know its beta but this game has so many hacks and exploits running rampent, no wonder they had to push the dates back. If the graphics wasnt so crappy and the gameplay as fun as poking your eye with a needle then maybe it would be worth 10 dollars. Thats giving it to much praise really.
I'm still in the beta and yes i know that betas are rough but anyone thats played games long enough can tell if somethings going to be crap or not. TRUST ME, this game is CRAP. The company in itself for support of game or its people is CRAP.
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He's telling it like it is. Opinionated or not.
I agree 100%, and there's others that do too.
Save your money, and wait until they get a few good reviews after launch, before supporting this fiasco.
The odd thing is, and I agree mostly with the OP -- is that the only defense that comes to SV are from a handful of people. You'll see Gobwar here, or a handful of others all of whom repeat the same type of information ad nauseum.
More and more people are realizing what I did months ago. That they gave you an alpha. That you paid to beta test. That they are using your preorder as an open ended loan. That the game *isn't* that revolutionary, and that PvP largely sucks.
As time goes by, it will just become increasingly apparent, and it's nice to see that more and more people are realizing this, because the shady and unethical business practices of SV should really be brought to the fore before people just throw their money away.
If you used a charge card you can get you money back. Search my posts in the MORTAL ONLINE WARNING for the steps. You need to file a Claims and Defenses request.. not a billing dispute... although if your under 60 days you may be able to go through as a billing bispute as well.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Its also odd that you say there is just a handful of people "defending" SV. What exactly is there to defend about??
"More and more people are realizing what I did months ago. That they gave you an alpha. That you paid to beta test. That they are using your preorder as an open ended loan"
Well done sir you should win the Nobel price for this remarkable discovery you did. Here is a quote for you posted about a month before the beta release by a dev Mats Persson.
"We want you to pre-order our game, because we need to find out how many people will actually buy the game before we borrow ourselves to death. Let's face it, if we knew by now that we would "only" have 3000 players at launch, we would have to redo our calculations quite a bit. If we knew we would have 30.000 players, we would have to do it the other way. We also want you to get in and stress-test our server, and we feel that people that are actually prepared to pay money before the game is finished are in a way similar to our stock-holders and investors: they are taking a chance, and chances must be rewarded. We also think that people actually paying for the game are showing a monetary commitment and will play the Beta not just once or twice, and hopefully care enough to actually report stuff because they want their product to be good (like the long-term active forum members that really show dedication)."
I am very sorry for you if you guys threw your money at them, or as the OP claims that evil SV even stole from him. If you bought into the hype thinking the game would be some kind of dream game where everything would be perfect. Being developed by a little indie company.
I really hope this teach you kids a lesson. Do your research!!! Or do you just buy anything without looking at the small text in the corner where the terms of use usually are?
SV want to create a game for a small group of people, call them fanboys or whatever, and these are the kinds of people that want and need a game like this, so they are willing to put money into the project. Everyone else should know better. Wait for the release what is the problem?
And using arguments as, i don´t like the graphics, or i don´t like the PvP. If you think it sucks, well then it will probably continue to suck so just leave the damn game and forget about it. I don´t like many games therefore i don`t play them nothing wrong with that. So please just continue this pointless debate right here on this toilet paper of a thread so i can wipe my arse with it.
And last here is a link for you, these guys says it the best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6BJ3CvPLhs
Man cant believe i did an account just to respond, anyways have a good new year everyone
Gee.. obviously NOT one of the "true-believers" under a new name... /sarcasm off
"I really hope this teach you kids a lesson. Do your research!!! Or do you just buy anything without looking at the small text in the corner where the terms of use usually are?"
There are certain rules and obligations which must be followed no matter what the "small text in the corner' says. You could click on agreeing to give them your 1st born. That doesn't mean they can show up in 5 years and claim him. I really wouldn't file a claim if it was simply an issue with graphic or gameplay. My issue is that they said they would be sending me something in September... It's now Jan... I don't have anything.. they don't respond to their support email and the whole company is "supposedly" on a 2 week vacation.
This is why the laws exist to allow you to recover your money.. and this is what many people have done and many more will do. The only reason you care is because you KNOW how many people feel scammed and you KNOW how many will be filing claims. My guess is you fear there are so many people that it will damage Starvaults ability to continue. If that's the case though... and there are enough of us to put the company out of business... shouldn't that tell you something about the company, it's product and it's business practices?
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Ye i am so childish so i would create a 2nd account just to prove a point? What would i gain from that?
Its my first post here on mmorpg, I stop by here often but i just read the debates. Believe what you want...
Yes a think it sucks that the boxes are not shipped. And i think it sucks that they don´t respond in e-mail as you claim. They are not the first mmo company to have shitty communications. Just read some support forums of other mmo companies...
However personally i don´t really see how you can be so upset with that the boxes has not yet been shipped. It think everyone anticipated that the game would be delayed. That q4 2009 would be to early. So what are you going to do with the box stare at it? You are still able to play the beta ( when the server is up that is ).
If you want the company to shut down becuase you have not recieved your box, even if you have your account and are able to play the game now and when it releases. All I can say is Good luck with that.
I know in the US people can sue companies for anything so try gathering some folks over there. You seam very confident that you will be able to put them out of business.
Why would i fear that? If you succeed it only proves you where right and SV screwed us all over.
But right now i do think most of the critics in here are BS!
I don't want them to go out of business. I simply said that is the only reason why you and the other "true-believers" would care whether I and the others get our money back. I don't see any other reason for you to care if a company with an admittedly "sketchy" pre-order process refunds money to customers who request it.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Do I sense a "this has happened before" with another "hlard core" game addressing hacks, exploits and macro's? things that make you wanta go HMMMMMM, Funny the "other game" seems to be holding up moderatly...ok well its holding up anyways. Nevertheless, seems I heard such rumors before.
I don't want them to go out of business. I simply said that is the only reason why you and the other "true-believers" would care whether I and the others get our money back. I don't see any other reason for you to care if a company with an admittedly "sketchy" pre-order process refunds money to customers who request it.
so i really never did understand from your other post you started why its so important to you to have the box. what is it about the box that you need it to test the game? please explain this so everyone can understand your frustration.
I don't want them to go out of business. I simply said that is the only reason why you and the other "true-believers" would care whether I and the others get our money back. I don't see any other reason for you to care if a company with an admittedly "sketchy" pre-order process refunds money to customers who request it.
Ok i dont really know what a "true-believer" is.
Anyways, no that is not the reason. As i said good luck with getting your money back, and i think most of critics are BS thats what i said. In the future, don´t believe the hype and wait for release so you can go to the store and buy your own box!
I think it was THEIR responsibility to think about the amount of work they have to do. It sure as hell wasn't mine.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Yet, one trip to the official forums is enough to see that your entire post is nothing but lies.
Martal Online has excellent public relations, even the h8trs acknowldge this, so Blacktide777... you have an specific reason for posting such lies..?
Secondly, what is your gaming background and what experience do you have, to offer such incredible and in-depth threads..?
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Bottom line is they have gone well past incompetent and into the realm of criminal behavior. The law is quite clear about how to handle credit card transactions as is the merchant agreement. They are in violation of the card agreements and US law.
Those of you singing their praise are obviously products of the modern dumbed down education system or children using your parents credit cards for purchases. NO company deserves a pass when they violate the law as SV has done. Plain and simple.
I for one DO hope that they fail like Farceland did and end up in court. People like the childish inexperienced CEO and his potentially unscrupulous father deserve to be slapped with any and all charges that they can to send notice to other charlatan developers that the jig is up.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you would realize that you are an idiot"
What do you speak of..?
Oh, never mind... you are talking about the non-return policy that StarVault uses..? { Mod Edit }, now in hot water and thought you could just cancel... when you, yourself failed to understand the legal and binding contract you signed..?
But isn't there a thread about that topic already..? Guess alot of young adults & children are learning how the world works.
I bought the game and if I never play it, I am fine with my decision to BUY it, because I was fully aware of what I was getting into.
I am an Adult and hold the ultimate responsibility for my actions.
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- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
Damn I knew I should have invested in Madoff shares instead of buying a silly game in the hope it may be fun.
:P
Im still gonna buy it in a few months : )
What do you speak of..?
Oh, never mind... you are talking about the non-return policy that StarVault uses..? { Mod Edit }, now in hot water and thought you could just cancel... when you, yourself failed to understand the legal and binding contract you signed..?
But isn't there a thread about that topic already..? Guess alot of young adults & children are learning how the world works.
I bought the game and if I never play it, I am fine with my decision to BUY it, because I was fully aware of what I was getting into.
I am an Adult and hold the ultimate responsibility for my actions.
Legal and binding contract ROFLMAO are you mad or just ignorant?
There is NO legal and binding contract since I can't legally enter into an illegal agreement....basic first semester Law 101. Oh and show me where I signed anything....come on waiting for a copy of anything that ANYONE signed.....still waiting......still waiting.....
Naw didn't think you could produce anything since there isn't and it wouldn't matter anyway since it would be an ILLEGAL agreement so would hold no weight in a court of law.
Nice try, now go back to some other game, you have lost at this one.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you would realize that you are an idiot"
Sounds like the same exact complaints about Aventurine almost a year ago. Edit: And I'll try it as well. Any sandboxy game is worth a shot in a sea of pve-centric themepark crap.
you know i dont think its so much about the box as it is about the not getting your monies worth
if i bought something that was suppose to be there in sept and its jan and still nothing then if there is nothing to give id expect them to give me money back
a preorder is a good faith transaction you agree to buy the game in "good faith" to show you believe what they are selling is worth it this isnt just games this is anything preordered if the day comes they dont have the item you payed a portion of or full price up front it would be in thier best interest to make sure the customer gets his money back
if i was buying something illegal then yea if im ripped off then i cant say anything but a company is not illegal i have some form of recourse regardless of where the company is located
hell i dont even care for the game tbh i just saw that there is two posts that are almost exactly the same by different ppl
right now im up in arms about steam and the painkiller package i bought in the fact the multiplayer didnt work the package was only $8 i got the package but only the single player works the point here is they advertised multiplayer im not able to use the multiplayer by whatever bug or w/e is causing the issue and you bet i was on the phone on day 2 talking to support
its the principle
I can't comment on the gameplay itself, but I don't see how anyone went into this preorder expecting anything but what they got. It was obviously a small company raising money for development from the begining. Hell, people were saying it in the MO forums at the time.
You can cry all you want about "unfair business practices," but if you're willing to pay for a game sight-unseen, you don't have much a case.
Suckers.
I can't comment on the gameplay itself, but I don't see how anyone went into this preorder expecting anything but what they got. It was obviously a small company raising money for development from the begining. Hell, people were saying it in the MO forums at the time.
You can cry all you want about "unfair business practices," but if you're willing to pay for a game sight-unseen, you don't have much a case.
Eh, I knew what I was getting, a gamble. Sometimes you win, which I still may and sometimes you lose. Whatever.
What do you speak of..?
Oh, never mind... you are talking about the non-return policy that StarVault uses..? { Mod Edit }, now in hot water and thought you could just cancel... when you, yourself failed to understand the legal and binding contract you signed..?
But isn't there a thread about that topic already..? Guess alot of young adults & children are learning how the world works.
I bought the game and if I never play it, I am fine with my decision to BUY it, because I was fully aware of what I was getting into.
I am an Adult and hold the ultimate responsibility for my actions.
Legal and binding contract ROFLMAO are you mad or just ignorant?
There is NO legal and binding contract since I can't legally enter into an illegal agreement....basic first semester Law 101. Oh and show me where I signed anything....come on waiting for a copy of anything that ANYONE signed.....still waiting......still waiting.....
Naw didn't think you could produce anything since there isn't and it wouldn't matter anyway since it would be an ILLEGAL agreement so would hold no weight in a court of law.
Nice try, now go back to some other game, you have lost at this one.
If you are not 18, then why do you care? Mortal Online is an Adult game, not meant for adolecent kids!
Secondly, if you are 18 and AGREED to the TERM & CONDITIONS, then you signed a contract! If you don't know this, then I suggest re-taking your Law 101 class again. Because there has been several landmark cases that have clarified this in US courts, etc..
All sales are final <--- look that up bro, you might educate yourself. Then go onto "No refund policy" and learn more.
More importantly, why do you care? Did you purchase the game, THEN decide to change your mind? There are consequences for that... just like any purchase. READ THE FINE PRINT!
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- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!