After reading this review click I felt we needed this. If you think Darkfall is a good game please say it and say why in one short sentence, if you don't think it's a good game please refrain from trolling, thankyou. Let me start,
"Darkfall is a good game" Because Aventurine have put the risk back into risk vs reward.
Darkfail is a good game because it makes sure i don't have to play with the darkfail community in my game.
Darkfall is a good game because when I engage another player in battle, my palms sweat and my heart rate increases rapidly.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Darkfall is a good game because it is the first time since playing UO that I can totally lose track of time and get immersed in what is going on. You feel like you really are part of something.
There are 5 seiges going on on NA1 today, look at the passion in the words of the people from all sides that are posting here.
I feel sorry for themepark suckled younger ones who have never experienced an excellent MMO like UO was at the time. Those that are prepared to have an open mind and jump into DF often "get" it and have a ball. Those that don't well, theres plenty of theme parks to play in.
Playing: Darkfall New Dawn (and planning to play Fallout 76) Favourite games have included: UO, Lineage2, Darkfall, Lotro, Baldur's Gate, SSX, FF7 and yes the original Wizardry on an Apple IIe
careful when getting into arguments with darkfall fans on forums. they've been playing forumfall for 8 years and have the experience. they also have the free time while they are alt+tab'd macro mining.
one thing that is overlooked in this game is detail. there was none, even at the end of beta. christ it didn't even have working doors in the game (no idea if that has changed); all structures looked copy and pasted, environments are generic in looks and stale as far as content. anyways...could go on a rant, but don't want to discourage people for trying it and forming their own opinions.
I love Darkfall but this is probably the gayest thread I've ever seen.
After 5 years on this forum? You obviously weren't around when Vanguard launched
So why do you love DFO?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
I think that the fact that you need to reinforce this so very forcedly tells me enough about how Darkfall's qualities can be doubted.
To be fair here, Agricola isn't very forcibly saying anything. If you had taken time to read the review that is in his original post, you would see that it is the reviewer is the one exclaiming that "Darkfall is a good game." He is merely reiterating and agreeing. I am too.
Darkfall is a good game for too many reasons to list. My time invested into Darkfall puts to shame any game I have played since SWG, and I'm still playing. I have no intention of quitting any time soon. Based on that alone, for myself at least , "good" is an understatement.
~Hairysun~
I had read the review. Perhaps you should not prematurely conclude stuff you do not have a clue about. Moreover, how is posting a thread simply for the purpose of reinforcing the idea that Darkfall is a good game and doing that with huge, red letters NOT a very forced statement?
Do not get me wrong; I do not mean to say Darkfall is NOT a good game. I am simply saying there has been more than a shadow of doubt on its quality over the past year or so, whether or not that doubt has a valid reason, and a thread like this can only result in
a lot of flaming, which puts the DF community in a bad spotlight for initiating a flame war (once again), and
more doubts being raised and reiterated on Darkfall's qualities (to me, anyway).
After all, if Darkfall really is such a good game, why do you feel the need to reinforce that? Could it be that there are elements to the game which are not good at all and that the reinforcement is meant to indicate that despite these shortcomings, Darkfall still is a good game? This then leads to the obvious conclusion that the importance of those shortcomings is completely subjective, so even though the majority of Darkfall players do not mind the apparent shortcomings, I personally might.
TL;DR: You should not need to reinforce Darkfall's quality if it really is that good, ergo if you reinforce Darkfall's quality, there probably is a reason for people to believe it is not that good.
Darkfall has a dedicated community and the game does not advertise. The community is responsible for any and all advertising. The game has gotten a lot off bad press over the years and the community tries to let people know that it isn't true and that the game is in fact very fun.
I do not post much here, but i had to comment on this thread. I must say i really do like this game. i have been playing it for 2 weeks now and it is very immersive. the PVE AI is really good, at least form what i have seen in other games. And the community is very good as well. Yes i have been PKed several times but they have not taken everything from me. Probably because most of what i have is crap. Anway i obvisouly agree that you should play this game.
I think that the fact that you need to reinforce this so very forcedly tells me enough about how Darkfall's qualities can be doubted.
To be fair, few games have been the target of as much trolling and disinformation as Darkfall has been.
He's right though, it *is* a good game, seems to be going from strength to strength, unlike many of the higher profile MMOs released in the last 24 months.
Im sorry OP, but darkfall is not good and this picture say it all.
This is really true because personally, thats how i left the game. The whole game is good, but when it come to the grind part, its just plain boring and horrible. The next day, you login and sometime, you dont feel like grinding, but you do feel like pvping so what you do, you logout and you play an other competitive game to have a refresh on pvp instead of grinding again.
Not only that, but check the darkfall player section thread poll on grind. I will list the record here of the latest thread about grind poll. (Note: only players could vote on that poll)
Originally posted by Hairysun Originally posted by Haggis13 I think that the fact that you need to reinforce this so very forcedly tells me enough about how Darkfall's qualities can be doubted.
To be fair here, Agricola isn't very forcibly saying anything. If you had taken time to read the review that is in his original post, you would see that it is the reviewer is the one exclaiming that "Darkfall is a good game." He is merely reiterating and agreeing. I am too. Darkfall is a good game for too many reasons to list. My time invested into Darkfall puts to shame any game I have played since SWG, and I'm still playing. I have no intention of quitting any time soon. Based on that alone, for myself at least , "good" is an understatement. ~Hairysun~
I had read the review. Perhaps you should not prematurely conclude stuff you do not have a clue about. Moreover, how is posting a thread simply for the purpose of reinforcing the idea that Darkfall is a good game and doing that with huge, red letters NOT a very forced statement? Do not get me wrong; I do not mean to say Darkfall is NOT a good game. I am simply saying there has been more than a shadow of doubt on its quality over the past year or so, whether or not that doubt has a valid reason, and a thread like this can only result in
a lot of flaming, which puts the DF community in a bad spotlight for initiating a flame war (once again), and more doubts being raised and reiterated on Darkfall's qualities (to me, anyway).
After all, if Darkfall really is such a good game, why do you feel the need to reinforce that? Could it be that there are elements to the game which are not good at all and that the reinforcement is meant to indicate that despite these shortcomings, Darkfall still is a good game? This then leads to the obvious conclusion that the importance of those shortcomings is completely subjective, so even though the majority of Darkfall players do not mind the apparent shortcomings, I personally might. TL;DR: You should not need to reinforce Darkfall's quality if it really is that good, ergo if you reinforce Darkfall's quality, there probably is a reason for people to believe it is not that good.
Darkfall, more than any game in the history of MMOs, is pissed on all over by haters. People who have never even installed the game on their computers will bash it based solely off its full loot PvP nature and long development cycle (and claims of Vaporware). Even a year after launch, this forum is still visited by people whom have never played the game whom merely bash it for no other reason than its Darkfall.
The need to reaffirm that the game is in fact -good- is very important because of this perception combined with a poor launch. Unfortunately launch perceptions will hang with many of the general populace for years and years. Vanguard is an example of this... where oftentimes people will site it as a trash game, when in fact it has developed into an outstanding PvE game in the years since its abysmal launch. AoC is another example. Both of these games have low populations for quality content... not because the games are poor, but because they are labeled as "bad" due to launch issues. AoC is slowly regaining subs through a advertising campaign... while Vanguard is slowly dying because SOE won't be bothered with advertising anything except FreeReams.
AV isn't the size of either SOE or Funcom, and so their advertising budget is limited. It's pretty much left to the players to sing the praises of Darkfall via word of mouth.
Darkfall, more than any game in the history of MMOs, is pissed all over by haters. People who have never even installed the game on their computers will bash it based solely off its full loot PvP nature and long development cycle (and claims of Vaporware). Even a year after launch, this forum is still visited by people whom have never played the game whom merely bash it for no other reason than its Darkfall. The need to reaffirm the the game is in fact -good- is very important because of this perception combined with a poor launch. Unfortunately launch perceptions will hang with many of the general populace for years and years. Vanguard is an example of this... where oftentimes people will site it as a trash game, when in fact it has developed into an outstanding PvE game in the years since its abysmal launch. AoC is another example.
You are correct sir, but its not just "haters". Pre launch and well into post launch this community was probably the safe haven for the worst online gaming community ever seen. ForumFall was the equivelent of 4chan 2.0. The result you saw was due to the backfire of a over-delayed game and shitty launch combined with a terrible but welcomed community. Instead of helping the game where there were issues many saw fit to troll and damage it as much as possible. To this day people as you said find it a mission to prevent it from succeeding. Cancer did kill the Darkfall hype, but it was welcomed by AV.
You are correct sir, but its not just "haters". Pre launch and well into post launch this community was probably the safe haven for the worst online gaming community ever seen. ForumFall was the equivelent of 4chan 2.0. The result you saw was due to the backfire of a over-delayed game and shitty launch combined with a terrible but welcomed community. Instead of helping the game where there were issues many saw fit to troll and damage it as much as possible. To this day people as you said find it a mission to prevent it from succeeding. Cancer did kill the Darkfall hype, but it was welcomed by AV.
ForumFall is still pretty horrible. "Gamers" who have completly forgotten about the real meaning of Hardcore and Carebear. A player who attempts to make a suggestion that a "Hardcore" believe is wrong will be labeled as a Carebear even if the suggestion is nothing carebear at all. It's really stupid and painfull to watch. Of course there are some intelligent ForumFall members and some good trolls too but there's just not enough of them :þ
Even with the growing numbers, I'm starting to believe there is chance that DarkFall will "fail" at some point and this will be caused by it's community who will have completly driven the new players away while new games like Mortal Online or Black Prophecy are coming with similar system and will eventually grow into bigger and better games.
The growing numbers are not a lie, but there's a weird trend that has appeared recently in the game that bothers me and if the upcoming expansion AV mentionned doesn't adress those, I fear for DarkFall's future.
And I'm not trolling or anything, I love DarkFall but there's some major improvement community wise that needs to be made. As in, Aventurine should add in some features even if some "hardcore" starts to QQ about leaving and un-subbing. Subs would drop for a few weeks but they'd quickly get back up as new players would join with a more mature community. Basically, just cleaning the game from the remaining "bad weeds".
I think that the fact that you need to reinforce this so very forcedly tells me enough about how Darkfall's qualities can be doubted.
To be fair here, Agricola isn't very forcibly saying anything. If you had taken time to read the review that is in his original post, you would see that it is the reviewer is the one exclaiming that "Darkfall is a good game." He is merely reiterating and agreeing. I am too.
Darkfall is a good game for too many reasons to list. My time invested into Darkfall puts to shame any game I have played since SWG, and I'm still playing. I have no intention of quitting any time soon. Based on that alone, for myself at least , "good" is an understatement.
~Hairysun~
No, what you guys are doing is starting some kind of Peter Pan-esque attempt to bring Tink back to life by having all the children clap together.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Good games don't need people to try this hard to convince others it's good. A good game stands on it's merits. If you don't have the money for proper PR this far after release then you failed to make a good game.
And no, it's not that they're spending more money on development, it's that clearly AV doesn't have the money to do both. As an indie studio they get to decide where their money goes.
If you like DF, that's great. Stop doing their PR job for them.
No, what you guys are doing is starting some kind of Peter Pan-esque attempt to bring Tink back to life by having all the children clap together. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Good games don't need people to try this hard to convince others it's good. A good game stands on it's merits. If you don't have the money for proper PR this far after release then you failed to make a good game. And no, it's not that they're spending more money on development, it's that clearly AV doesn't have the money to do both. As an indie studio they get to decide where their money goes. If you like DF, that's great. Stop doing their PR job for them.
Going to correct you there. The "Say it with me "DarkFall is a good game" " was quoted from a Blogger who is currently testing DarkFall and had misconception based on the various "rumors" etc. So far, he likes DarkFall and say it's a good game. Agricola1 simply took that same quote and use it for a different purpose. This is just like saying "I like Lady Gaga because....", in no way, shape or form is this similar a PR job. Do respect others opinions even if they go against your beliefs.
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Well Darkfall may be a good game for those who like this kind of games but for me it will never land on my hardrive.
Darkfail is a good game because it makes sure i don't have to play with the darkfail community in my game.
Darkfall is a good game because when I engage another player in battle, my palms sweat and my heart rate increases rapidly.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Is there no moderation at all in this part of the forums? -.-
not sure what you think needs moderation....this is pretty damn tame compared to how the DF forum used to be.
Ya what's wrong with this thread?
Got me scratchin' my head.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Darkfall is a good game because it is the first time since playing UO that I can totally lose track of time and get immersed in what is going on. You feel like you really are part of something.
There are 5 seiges going on on NA1 today, look at the passion in the words of the people from all sides that are posting here.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65
I feel sorry for themepark suckled younger ones who have never experienced an excellent MMO like UO was at the time. Those that are prepared to have an open mind and jump into DF often "get" it and have a ball. Those that don't well, theres plenty of theme parks to play in.
Playing: Darkfall New Dawn (and planning to play Fallout 76)
Favourite games have included: UO, Lineage2, Darkfall, Lotro, Baldur's Gate, SSX, FF7 and yes the original Wizardry on an Apple IIe
Darkfall is a good game, it thrills and spills which most MMOs don't really do.
Darkfall is a good game, but be prepared for a grind if you are after jumping into competitive pvp asap.
Probably the thought of darkfall being awesome is obscene to some people.
careful when getting into arguments with darkfall fans on forums. they've been playing forumfall for 8 years and have the experience. they also have the free time while they are alt+tab'd macro mining.
one thing that is overlooked in this game is detail. there was none, even at the end of beta. christ it didn't even have working doors in the game (no idea if that has changed); all structures looked copy and pasted, environments are generic in looks and stale as far as content. anyways...could go on a rant, but don't want to discourage people for trying it and forming their own opinions.
Ah hem...Repeat after me: I do not play Darkfall because it's not my kind of game.
And just because I don't play Darkfall doesn't mean I should slam the game for what it is.
And people should not insult my play style and game choices because they don't like what I do.
Heh, I don't want anyone's game to fail. Just don't push it on me.
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I love Darkfall but this is probably the gayest thread I've ever seen.
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After 5 years on this forum? You obviously weren't around when Vanguard launched
So why do you love DFO?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
darkfall is a good game, but when i play it, i'm all awone =(
Originally posted by Hairysun
Originally posted by Haggis13
I think that the fact that you need to reinforce this so very forcedly tells me enough about how Darkfall's qualities can be doubted.
To be fair here, Agricola isn't very forcibly saying anything. If you had taken time to read the review that is in his original post, you would see that it is the reviewer is the one exclaiming that "Darkfall is a good game." He is merely reiterating and agreeing. I am too.
Darkfall is a good game for too many reasons to list. My time invested into Darkfall puts to shame any game I have played since SWG, and I'm still playing. I have no intention of quitting any time soon. Based on that alone, for myself at least , "good" is an understatement.
~Hairysun~
I had read the review. Perhaps you should not prematurely conclude stuff you do not have a clue about. Moreover, how is posting a thread simply for the purpose of reinforcing the idea that Darkfall is a good game and doing that with huge, red letters NOT a very forced statement?
Do not get me wrong; I do not mean to say Darkfall is NOT a good game. I am simply saying there has been more than a shadow of doubt on its quality over the past year or so, whether or not that doubt has a valid reason, and a thread like this can only result in
After all, if Darkfall really is such a good game, why do you feel the need to reinforce that? Could it be that there are elements to the game which are not good at all and that the reinforcement is meant to indicate that despite these shortcomings, Darkfall still is a good game? This then leads to the obvious conclusion that the importance of those shortcomings is completely subjective, so even though the majority of Darkfall players do not mind the apparent shortcomings, I personally might.
TL;DR: You should not need to reinforce Darkfall's quality if it really is that good, ergo if you reinforce Darkfall's quality, there probably is a reason for people to believe it is not that good.
Darkfall has a dedicated community and the game does not advertise. The community is responsible for any and all advertising. The game has gotten a lot off bad press over the years and the community tries to let people know that it isn't true and that the game is in fact very fun.
I do not post much here, but i had to comment on this thread. I must say i really do like this game. i have been playing it for 2 weeks now and it is very immersive. the PVE AI is really good, at least form what i have seen in other games. And the community is very good as well. Yes i have been PKed several times but they have not taken everything from me. Probably because most of what i have is crap. Anway i obvisouly agree that you should play this game.
To be fair, few games have been the target of as much trolling and disinformation as Darkfall has been.
He's right though, it *is* a good game, seems to be going from strength to strength, unlike many of the higher profile MMOs released in the last 24 months.
Im sorry OP, but darkfall is not good and this picture say it all.
This is really true because personally, thats how i left the game. The whole game is good, but when it come to the grind part, its just plain boring and horrible. The next day, you login and sometime, you dont feel like grinding, but you do feel like pvping so what you do, you logout and you play an other competitive game to have a refresh on pvp instead of grinding again.
Not only that, but check the darkfall player section thread poll on grind. I will list the record here of the latest thread about grind poll. (Note: only players could vote on that poll)
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Thread: Do you think the gap between veterans and new players is too high in regards to PvP?
Poll: Yes 192 56.47%
No 148 43.53%
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Darkfall is a good game, in my opinion.
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Darkfall, more than any game in the history of MMOs, is pissed on all over by haters. People who have never even installed the game on their computers will bash it based solely off its full loot PvP nature and long development cycle (and claims of Vaporware). Even a year after launch, this forum is still visited by people whom have never played the game whom merely bash it for no other reason than its Darkfall.
The need to reaffirm that the game is in fact -good- is very important because of this perception combined with a poor launch. Unfortunately launch perceptions will hang with many of the general populace for years and years. Vanguard is an example of this... where oftentimes people will site it as a trash game, when in fact it has developed into an outstanding PvE game in the years since its abysmal launch. AoC is another example. Both of these games have low populations for quality content... not because the games are poor, but because they are labeled as "bad" due to launch issues. AoC is slowly regaining subs through a advertising campaign... while Vanguard is slowly dying because SOE won't be bothered with advertising anything except FreeReams.
AV isn't the size of either SOE or Funcom, and so their advertising budget is limited. It's pretty much left to the players to sing the praises of Darkfall via word of mouth.
You are correct sir, but its not just "haters". Pre launch and well into post launch this community was probably the safe haven for the worst online gaming community ever seen. ForumFall was the equivelent of 4chan 2.0. The result you saw was due to the backfire of a over-delayed game and shitty launch combined with a terrible but welcomed community. Instead of helping the game where there were issues many saw fit to troll and damage it as much as possible. To this day people as you said find it a mission to prevent it from succeeding. Cancer did kill the Darkfall hype, but it was welcomed by AV.
ForumFall is still pretty horrible. "Gamers" who have completly forgotten about the real meaning of Hardcore and Carebear. A player who attempts to make a suggestion that a "Hardcore" believe is wrong will be labeled as a Carebear even if the suggestion is nothing carebear at all. It's really stupid and painfull to watch. Of course there are some intelligent ForumFall members and some good trolls too but there's just not enough of them :þ
Even with the growing numbers, I'm starting to believe there is chance that DarkFall will "fail" at some point and this will be caused by it's community who will have completly driven the new players away while new games like Mortal Online or Black Prophecy are coming with similar system and will eventually grow into bigger and better games.
The growing numbers are not a lie, but there's a weird trend that has appeared recently in the game that bothers me and if the upcoming expansion AV mentionned doesn't adress those, I fear for DarkFall's future.
And I'm not trolling or anything, I love DarkFall but there's some major improvement community wise that needs to be made. As in, Aventurine should add in some features even if some "hardcore" starts to QQ about leaving and un-subbing. Subs would drop for a few weeks but they'd quickly get back up as new players would join with a more mature community. Basically, just cleaning the game from the remaining "bad weeds".
To be fair here, Agricola isn't very forcibly saying anything. If you had taken time to read the review that is in his original post, you would see that it is the reviewer is the one exclaiming that "Darkfall is a good game." He is merely reiterating and agreeing. I am too.
Darkfall is a good game for too many reasons to list. My time invested into Darkfall puts to shame any game I have played since SWG, and I'm still playing. I have no intention of quitting any time soon. Based on that alone, for myself at least , "good" is an understatement.
~Hairysun~
No, what you guys are doing is starting some kind of Peter Pan-esque attempt to bring Tink back to life by having all the children clap together.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Good games don't need people to try this hard to convince others it's good. A good game stands on it's merits. If you don't have the money for proper PR this far after release then you failed to make a good game.
And no, it's not that they're spending more money on development, it's that clearly AV doesn't have the money to do both. As an indie studio they get to decide where their money goes.
If you like DF, that's great. Stop doing their PR job for them.
Going to correct you there. The "Say it with me "DarkFall is a good game" " was quoted from a Blogger who is currently testing DarkFall and had misconception based on the various "rumors" etc. So far, he likes DarkFall and say it's a good game. Agricola1 simply took that same quote and use it for a different purpose. This is just like saying "I like Lady Gaga because....", in no way, shape or form is this similar a PR job. Do respect others opinions even if they go against your beliefs.
Thanks.