I'm not into space ship games or any type of flying vehicle games for that matter, but this game deserves game of the year and is probably one of the best games on the market.
EVE would not make my top 10,lucky if it made it into my top 20,it fails in every single aspect of the design.EVERY single piece of the game design was done CHEAP.
This game is male dominated as a female would not touch it with a ten foot pole,CCP has already acknowledged this as FACT,so don't even try to argue it.They claim they are going to try and remedy the problem,but it is impossible..why?
The game is nothing more than a POLITICAL game,how that equals fun in anyone's mind is beyond me.I know their is a NICHE crowd for anything and everything and this is 100% a NICHE game.
This NICHE crowd however should NOT confuse that with EVE being a top notch game.I am not stupid i have seen in the past from another poll MMORPG was mentioning CCP games as future great games and leaving out Schilling's game, i was like HUH say what?I knew then and there ,that there is 100% some real bias here towards CCP.As a matter of fact i believe they had FFXIV rated far below the two CCP games if it was in the list at all,i can't really remember .,just sad to be that biased.
However no matter, a game that caters to only 50% of the demographic,can NEVER be targeted as a TOP game let alone as the BEST of ...it is laughable to see how biased that choice is,i am not happy of the choice at all.No i am not going to lose any sleep over it ,i cannot stand WOW,but you know what i would not be surprised at all if WOW was number 1,i could even accept it,because it DOES cater to a MUCH larger demographic,but EVE?? i was totally shocked.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
EVE would not make my top 10,lucky if it made it into my top 20,it fails in every single aspect of the design.EVERY single piece of the game design was done CHEAP. This game is male dominated as a female would not touch it with a ten foot pole,CCP has already acknowledged this as FACT,so don't even try to argue it.They claim they are going to try and remedy the problem,but it is impossible..why? The game is nothing more than a POLITICAL game,how that equals fun in anyone's mind is beyond me.I know their is a NICHE crowd for anything and everything and this is 100% a NICHE game. This NICHE crowd however should NOT confuse that with EVE being a top notch game.I am not stupid i have seen in the past from another poll MMORPG was mentioning CCP games as future great games and leaving out Schilling's game, i was like HUH say what?I knew then and there ,that there is 100% some real bias here towards CCP.As a matter of fact i believe they had FFXIV rated far below the two CCP games if it was in the list at all,i can't really remember .,just sad to be that biased. However no matter, a game that caters to only 50% of the demographic,can NEVER be targeted as a TOP game let alone as the BEST of ...it is laughable to see how biased that choice is,i am not happy of the choice at all.No i am not going to lose any sleep over it ,i cannot stand WOW,but you know what i would not be surprised at all if WOW was number 1,i could even accept it,because it DOES cater to a MUCH larger demographic,but EVE?? i was totally shocked.
Strong in you bitterness is.
The majority of players are male... and? I remember one girl in WoW sleeping with some guy for the money to buy an epic mount and you're saying EVE fails as a game?
My family and I used to play WoW but we quit because of the 40 year olds going on 13. The maturity level in WoW is equal to that of middle school. People in EVE help eachother, that's why a help channel exists, but don't let that get in the way of your bitterness.
EVE would not make my top 10,lucky if it made it into my top 20,it fails in every single aspect of the design.EVERY single piece of the game design was done CHEAP. This game is male dominated as a female would not touch it with a ten foot pole,CCP has already acknowledged this as FACT,so don't even try to argue it.They claim they are going to try and remedy the problem,but it is impossible..why? The game is nothing more than a POLITICAL game,how that equals fun in anyone's mind is beyond me.I know their is a NICHE crowd for anything and everything and this is 100% a NICHE game. This NICHE crowd however should NOT confuse that with EVE being a top notch game.I am not stupid i have seen in the past from another poll MMORPG was mentioning CCP games as future great games and leaving out Schilling's game, i was like HUH say what?I knew then and there ,that there is 100% some real bias here towards CCP.As a matter of fact i believe they had FFXIV rated far below the two CCP games if it was in the list at all,i can't really remember .,just sad to be that biased. However no matter, a game that caters to only 50% of the demographic,can NEVER be targeted as a TOP game let alone as the BEST of ...it is laughable to see how biased that choice is,i am not happy of the choice at all.No i am not going to lose any sleep over it ,i cannot stand WOW,but you know what i would not be surprised at all if WOW was number 1,i could even accept it,because it DOES cater to a MUCH larger demographic,but EVE?? i was totally shocked.
I usually don't do this but I felt compelled after reading your well written and thought out post.
Originally posted by Gameloading Oh and Wooping, I know of another mmorpg that has a subscriber base that continues to grow and not drop. darn...what was it called again? help me out here...something about a world and war and crafting?
I think it was also growing a tiny bit faster than EVE.
Depends how you look at it. But yeah it still is rare for a game to raise in subs over time.
That's because everyone is playing that other game.
Originally posted by Gameloading Oh and Wooping, I know of another mmorpg that has a subscriber base that continues to grow and not drop. darn...what was it called again? help me out here...something about a world and war and crafting?
I think it was also growing a tiny bit faster than EVE.
Depends how you look at it. But yeah it still is rare for a game to raise in subs over time.
That's because everyone is playing that other game.
WoW has dropped a lot in subrscribers but Blizz won't release the numbers to show how 'well' their gem of a game is doing.
Diablo III and SC II are years late because they keep assigning their developers to work on WoW and their paid expansions. EVE expansions are FREE and are released every six months.
This game is male dominated as a female would not touch it with a ten foot pole,CCP has already acknowledged this as FACT,so don't even try to argue it.They claim they are going to try and remedy the problem,but it is impossible..why?
Seeing as how 2 of the best corps I have been in have been ran by a FEMALE CEO..... wait what!?! Girls in space!?! why yes.
I have around 20 people on my friends list....5 or so are females in RL. The game is Male dominated; so what? You looking to hook up in the MMOs you play?
EVE is a pure PVP game, most women don't have what it takes....but the ones that do are some of the most ruthless people I know.
Originally posted by Gameloading Oh and Wooping, I know of another mmorpg that has a subscriber base that continues to grow and not drop. darn...what was it called again? help me out here...something about a world and war and crafting?
I think it was also growing a tiny bit faster than EVE.
Depends how you look at it. But yeah it still is rare for a game to raise in subs over time.
That's because everyone is playing that other game.
WoW has dropped a lot in subrscribers but Blizz won't release the numbers to show how 'well' their gem of a game is doing.
Diablo III and SC II are years late because they keep assigning their developers to work on WoW and their paid expansions. EVE expansions are FREE and are released every six months.
I have not seen any indication that wow has actually lost subscribers. If they did, it happened in China as the game has been offline for months and switched to a new company..Either way, World of Warcrafts subscribtion numbers still dwarf those of EVE and pretty much every other mmorpg out there.
Its great EVE releases an expansion every 6 month. Obviously those expansions come nowhere near the quality and content you get in a WoW expansion. You get what you pay for.
Seeing as how 2 of the best corps I have been in have been ran by a FEMALE CEO..... wait what!?! Girls in space!?! why yes. I have around 20 people on my friends list....5 or so are females in RL. The game is Male dominated; so what? You looking to hook up in the MMOs you play? EVE is a pure PVP game, most women don't have what it takes....but the ones that do are some of the most ruthless people I know. o7
Dianabolic will doomsday your face without thinking about it and she'll enjoy it too. The thing about females in EVE is that they like big toys and I know several in Motherships and Titans. There may not be many of them but they're as evil and ruthless as the rest.
Originally posted by Gameloading I have not seen any indication that wow has actually lost subscribers. If they did, it happened in China as the game has been offline for months and switched to a new company..Either way, World of Warcrafts subscribtion numbers still dwarf those of EVE and pretty much every other mmorpg out there. Its great EVE releases an expansion every 6 month. Obviously those expansions come nowhere near the quality and content you get in a WoW expansion. You get what you pay for.
Do you have any indication it's the morning before your alarm goes off or you wake up?
WoW is a simple game to play. There're no penalties for death and, so, the game has many subscribers. My six year old was playing WoW with us, that's how simplified the game is. It's a matter of spamming the same few buttons over and over again. With every 'quality' expansion WoW is made simpler, to cater for an ever younger age group because it can't grow anymore. Growth isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's about maintaining your players.
But please, do tell us where WoW has changed so much that it's not the same game I quit. What have those quality expansions added to the game, other than more grind? Everyone is entitled to play the way they see fit but PVE to PVE to PVE isn't my kind of game.
Then there's the imbalance, it's not funny. And where have Blizzard updated the WoW engine? They haven't in years, it's the same old ugly mesh it has been since 2003. At least EVE, Aion and other MMO's have tried to update their engine to somewhat keep up with technology.
Yep a deserving win here for eve. As for some of the questionscomplaints...
Has eve got its promissed social stuff in yet? Yes.
XXXXX game has more subs why didnt it do better? This is about best overall MMO in 2009 and sub numbers is onlu a small factor to consider.
WoW continuously increased in subs just like eve! Eve actually didnt it did have one period where it lost some due to the T20 scandall. WoW tho it has increased subs over time had severall such periods and is in one right now [hence the unuserall act of releasing expansions with the promis to all that this is an improvement].
And a classic Questin that Amazing Avery asked was about the impression that you will be years behind vets and cant catch up? Basically its true you cant catch up in pure skillpoint ammounts, but what you need to understand is the the skillsystem is about 2 things. Letting you use items and its about deminishing returns. For example you fly a cruiser as a new player with say 2 million skillpoints, your oponent flys a cruiser as well with similar fittings at 30 million skillpoints. Also to train the cruiser skill to 4 you need 2 days to train it to 5 it can take 8 days or more yet it only gives you a 5% bonus per level. So while he is traing to 5 you can train to 4 then train many more skills as well in the same time.
As for catching up game wise so you can compete farely with vets its les about skills and gold but more about teamwork.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Apparently they don’t really know Eve that well, they just accept whatever bs CCP uses so well to lure people in, or CCP just happened to pay them the most, or get their editors some hookers, who knows.
Choosing Eve is ridiculous.
Sure Eve has some fantastic elements like fleet battles between hundreds of individuals, and a persistent large scale political landscape. Sure, players have essentially infinite inventory, putting other mmos inventory systems to shame. Yeah, you can find some wonderful, unique elements in the game, but…
The game is an old dog with no new tricks, a clunker, and financially a scam on its plays.
The game is plagued with RMT (real money trade/ microtransactions), both through gold sellers and what’s allowed by and pushed by CCP itself.
There is no experience grind in Eve, because ‘skilling’ occurs on a real time clock the same for everyone, regardless of effort, regardless of talent, regardless of dedication, regardless of time online.
That’s NOT to help players by eliminating grind, no, that was genius to make advancement so sloooooow that everyone, even diehard 24/7 players, would take years of paying subscriptions to mature characters (unless they buy characters on CCP’s website).
There is a grind; it’s just not an experience grind. Gold (isk) accumulation, is the grind, and anyone with a credit card can get that gold(isk) or get advanced characters with CCP’s blessing as long as CCP gets their piece of the transaction (through the GTC, game time card, scam).
(To Eve players scratching their heads. What’s the GTC scam? A year’s subscription, if paid for by GTCs, costs around 80 dollars more than a sub paid for a year in advance by cc or other real life money means. That is CCP’s cut, that’s why they push using GTCs so hard.
Every veteran with multiple accounts using GTCs is drawing in 80 dollars per year per account more than the cheapest cc subscription plan usual in all mmorpgs including Eve. That’s HUGE money CCP is picking from player pockets under the guise of a ‘service’ to players by providing those GTCs.)
The game expansions aren’t anything like usual mmo expansions, they’re patches at best.
The game doesn’t have content per se like most mmorpgs. Eve is a ‘sandbox’ game, not an ‘amusement park’ game. It’s like an mmo equivalent of Team Fortress 2. That’s one reason the ‘expansions’ aren’t really expansions, and the reason the ‘expansions’ are free. Nobody in their right mind would ever buy them. CCP’s development costs, and what they deliver to players, is far less than for other mmorpgs developers. That’s a fact. If you like a sandbox great, but don’t pretend CCP is actually some example of excellence.
The major ‘expansion’ Dominion they mention actually made the game worse in that it introduced WORSE lag than before the patch. The game is f’ing over 6 years old and CCP is back doing public testing on the test server to fix lag for big fleet battles, THE endgame.
Worm holes they mention as a major change really didn’t change much of anything. There’s nothing wrong with the worm holes, but they hardly changed anything for anyone either.
Eve’s ‘epic’ mission arcs are shallow jokes compared to the inventory of storyline and quests in other mmorpgs.
The change in sovereignty mechanics? That wasn’t a major advance. That was a belated measure to replace the POS shooting drudge that people hated for years.
I could go on and on, but the single worst aspect of Eve I can think of off the top of my head is that game mechanics push people to use multiple accounts. Players from any other game would think it just crazy to get into a game where the veterans who stay more than 6 months end up using multiple accounts, but that’s what happens. It’s crazy, but lots of different game mechanics push players to get multiple accounts.
Eve veterans get fanboy goggles, and they don’t feel cheated by CCP. The players who stay for the abuse, they are proud of having multiple accounts because it’s a status symbol, it separates you from the newbs.
CCP’s Eve doesn’t charge for expansions, because their expansions are really patches, not something anyone would pay for. CCP more than makes up for that though, and actually costs MORE per player than other mmorpgs, even though they have LESS content, because veteran players have multiple accounts, multiple subscriptions.
(Some veterans say their subs are free, paid for by isk, but just a message to anyone of them reading this who can’t do math: SOMEONE paid real money for the game time card, GTC, which paid your sub, probably a sucker newb who was trying to keep up with 6 year old players. Some player, veteran or not, is paying real money for all those accounts.)
On the subject of newbs vs veterans, a huge downside to Eve for newbs is that Eve doesn’t have resets. In other games, once a year or two years or three, the playing field gets leveled. Not in Eve. Doesn’t matter when you start from now on, you will always be behind veterans, some of whom have been in the game over half a decade.
Blah blah blah, k, I’m done, the list of downsides to Eve is too long to keep going here.
To the editors of mmorpgs.com.
If you want to talk about some wonderful, fantastic, unique features of Eve or some neat stories of events in game, or whatever, that’s fine, but wtf, Game of the Year? Please. What a bad, bad, bad choice.
This game is male dominated as a female would not touch it with a ten foot pole,CCP has already acknowledged this as FACT,so don't even try to argue it.They claim they are going to try and remedy the problem,but it is impossible..why? The game is nothing more than a POLITICAL game,how that equals fun in anyone's mind is beyond me.I know their is a NICHE crowd for anything and everything and this is 100% a NICHE game.
P.S. Their own players have no confidence in CCP progress and response feedback. Eve has a CSM, Council of Stellar Management, a group of players voted for by the players who go to Iceland to discuss game changes with CCP.
Almost nobody even votes for those delegates because the whole exercise is a sham. Voting is free, easy, just takes a click, is available to all accounts, but almost nobody votes, and by “almost nobody,” I mean less than 10 percent of the entire Eve population votes for the CSM. That’s how much Eve players think CCP is listening to them.
(And by the way, that CSM itself was created as a ploy to improve player confidence after a CCP dev was caught cheating for the team ‘wining’ much of the time in Eve.
Also by the way, CCP’s response in that dev cheating scandal was to permanently ban all the accounts OF THE WHISTLE BLOWER, who revealed the CCP dev was cheating.)
P.P.S. The great Dominion ‘expansion’ that mmorpgs. com is lauding, didn’t include some capital changes that everyone anticipated, and it was a telling debacle.
Recently CCP had a dev in charge of end game ships, capitals, who scrapped most of the tested, player approved changes in development for months on the test server. When the CCP dev bothered to type up some of his thoughts, he included a suggestion that people use target painters on capitals to compensate for some other changes.
To put that in World of Warcraft terms, it’d be like a Blizzard dev coming out and scrapping planned, highly anticipated, tested, player approved changes, and in the discussion seriously saying that warriors should just bubble hearth when in trouble. Yes, as ridiculous as suggesting that warriors, not paladins, bubble hearth. Sorry, I don’t usually refer to WoW, but it’s something everyone understands, even if they don’t like that game.
It is great game. But Dominion sucks, everyone in 0.0 know that, lag monster is back and we cant do anything about that. Rienforced node can't handle 600 players, I dont know when will we agan reach more then 1400 players in fight. So lame But I like eve and I will not stop playing it
Apparently they don’t really know Eve that well, they just accept whatever bs CCP uses so well to lure people in, or CCP just happened to pay them the most, or get their editors some hookers, who knows.
Choosing Eve is ridiculous.
Sure Eve has some fantastic elements like fleet battles between hundreds of individuals, and a persistent large scale political landscape. Sure, players have essentially infinite inventory, putting other mmos inventory systems to shame. Yeah, you can find some wonderful, unique elements in the game, but… Good that you acknowledge it has fantastic elements, it is for these that we, the EVE players, play the game. The game is an old dog with no new tricks, a clunker, and financially a scam on its plays. It is an old dog, with many old AND new tricks, but I guess that is personal preference. Still I rather choose a more conservative upgrade path compared to something like SWG CU and NGE The game is plagued with RMT (real money trade/ microtransactions), both through gold sellers and what’s allowed by and pushed by CCP itself. CCP is working hard against illegal RMT, unholy rage gave a big blow to the RMT'ers and also freed up alot of server resources for the players. It is an ongoing fight, and all other mmo's have the same issue, WoW, EQ, LOTRO, WAR, ... The way CCP introduced legal RMT with plexes and GTC's was brilliant imho, and the other part of the fight against botters, hackers and other illegal RMT activity. There is no experience grind in Eve, because ‘skilling’ occurs on a real time clock the same for everyone, regardless of effort, regardless of talent, regardless of dedication, regardless of time online. Awesome isn't it? That’s NOT to help players by eliminating grind, no, that was genius to make advancement so sloooooow that everyone, even diehard 24/7 players, would take years of paying subscriptions to mature characters (unless they buy characters on CCP’s website). Genius indeed There is a grind; it’s just not an experience grind. Gold (isk) accumulation, is the grind, and anyone with a credit card can get that gold(isk) or get advanced characters with CCP’s blessing as long as CCP gets their piece of the transaction (through the GTC, game time card, scam). It is a grind if you make it one, if it is becomming too grindy then it may be time to move on. (To Eve players scratching their heads. What’s the GTC scam? A year’s subscription, if paid for by GTCs, costs around 80 dollars more than a sub paid for a year in advance by cc or other real life money means. That is CCP’s cut, that’s why they push using GTCs so hard. I have no problem with that, people have the choice, you are holding on to straws here. Every veteran with multiple accounts using GTCs is drawing in 80 dollars per year per account more than the cheapest cc subscription plan usual in all mmorpgs including Eve. That’s HUGE money CCP is picking from player pockets under the guise of a ‘service’ to players by providing those GTCs.) Again, good for CCP, it is not like it is a secret how much everything costs. The game expansions aren’t anything like usual mmo expansions, they’re patches at best. Well call them patches if you like ( even tho I really don't consider Apocrypha " just a patch " ), I prefer this over any other expansion policy of any other mmo to date. With the free but obligated expansions, they can expand both horizontally as vertically and they don't have to worry about people having to buy it. There don't need to be restricted areas because someone did not buy the expansion ( as in WoW for example ). They don't have to add levels, so people have to buy the expansion, none of this. Again, this is how all MMO's should do it IMHO.
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That is the stupidest post I've seen in a while. In fact, it was so stupid, that it made me register
GTC - well, I do not use CC to pay for games, no matter what (and yes, I do have a valid CC). So, with GTC they got an additional customer.
Resets - Let's reset B. Gates. Resets are stupid, and those companies that use them are lazy. Fairness is a rare commodity, real life or otherwise. You and I will never ever have the same opportunities as Mr. Gates. Thus, this whole point is extremely stupid.
Those that sell GTC to "keep up" with veterans are stupid. No matter how mean your ship are, you will be blown in 5 s., if you do not know how to use it.
Offline leveling system is a nice feature. In fact, I will not play any P2P MMO that does not have it. It brings more life into MMO, and helps those that play only for 1-2 h. a day (or less).
I've stayed for 6 m. and do not see any need for multiple announts. I did something wrong?
Oh, forgot to mention that I actually quit EVE soon. Still, I consider CCP one of the best MMO companies. They do know, what they are doing.
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I'm not into space ship games or any type of flying vehicle games for that matter, but this game deserves game of the year and is probably one of the best games on the market.
EVE would not make my top 10,lucky if it made it into my top 20,it fails in every single aspect of the design.EVERY single piece of the game design was done CHEAP.
This game is male dominated as a female would not touch it with a ten foot pole,CCP has already acknowledged this as FACT,so don't even try to argue it.They claim they are going to try and remedy the problem,but it is impossible..why?
The game is nothing more than a POLITICAL game,how that equals fun in anyone's mind is beyond me.I know their is a NICHE crowd for anything and everything and this is 100% a NICHE game.
This NICHE crowd however should NOT confuse that with EVE being a top notch game.I am not stupid i have seen in the past from another poll MMORPG was mentioning CCP games as future great games and leaving out Schilling's game, i was like HUH say what?I knew then and there ,that there is 100% some real bias here towards CCP.As a matter of fact i believe they had FFXIV rated far below the two CCP games if it was in the list at all,i can't really remember .,just sad to be that biased.
However no matter, a game that caters to only 50% of the demographic,can NEVER be targeted as a TOP game let alone as the BEST of ...it is laughable to see how biased that choice is,i am not happy of the choice at all.No i am not going to lose any sleep over it ,i cannot stand WOW,but you know what i would not be surprised at all if WOW was number 1,i could even accept it,because it DOES cater to a MUCH larger demographic,but EVE?? i was totally shocked.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Strong in you bitterness is.
The majority of players are male... and? I remember one girl in WoW sleeping with some guy for the money to buy an epic mount and you're saying EVE fails as a game?
My family and I used to play WoW but we quit because of the 40 year olds going on 13. The maturity level in WoW is equal to that of middle school. People in EVE help eachother, that's why a help channel exists, but don't let that get in the way of your bitterness.
I usually don't do this but I felt compelled after reading your well written and thought out post.
Hater!
Ok, I feel better now.
Depends how you look at it. But yeah it still is rare for a game to raise in subs over time.
That's because everyone is playing that other game.
Depends how you look at it. But yeah it still is rare for a game to raise in subs over time.
That's because everyone is playing that other game.
WoW has dropped a lot in subrscribers but Blizz won't release the numbers to show how 'well' their gem of a game is doing.
Diablo III and SC II are years late because they keep assigning their developers to work on WoW and their paid expansions. EVE expansions are FREE and are released every six months.
Seeing as how 2 of the best corps I have been in have been ran by a FEMALE CEO..... wait what!?! Girls in space!?! why yes.
I have around 20 people on my friends list....5 or so are females in RL. The game is Male dominated; so what? You looking to hook up in the MMOs you play?
EVE is a pure PVP game, most women don't have what it takes....but the ones that do are some of the most ruthless people I know.
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Depends how you look at it. But yeah it still is rare for a game to raise in subs over time.
That's because everyone is playing that other game.
WoW has dropped a lot in subrscribers but Blizz won't release the numbers to show how 'well' their gem of a game is doing.
Diablo III and SC II are years late because they keep assigning their developers to work on WoW and their paid expansions. EVE expansions are FREE and are released every six months.
I have not seen any indication that wow has actually lost subscribers. If they did, it happened in China as the game has been offline for months and switched to a new company..Either way, World of Warcrafts subscribtion numbers still dwarf those of EVE and pretty much every other mmorpg out there.
Its great EVE releases an expansion every 6 month. Obviously those expansions come nowhere near the quality and content you get in a WoW expansion. You get what you pay for.
Dianabolic will doomsday your face without thinking about it and she'll enjoy it too. The thing about females in EVE is that they like big toys and I know several in Motherships and Titans. There may not be many of them but they're as evil and ruthless as the rest.
Do you have any indication it's the morning before your alarm goes off or you wake up?
WoW is a simple game to play. There're no penalties for death and, so, the game has many subscribers. My six year old was playing WoW with us, that's how simplified the game is. It's a matter of spamming the same few buttons over and over again. With every 'quality' expansion WoW is made simpler, to cater for an ever younger age group because it can't grow anymore. Growth isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's about maintaining your players.
But please, do tell us where WoW has changed so much that it's not the same game I quit. What have those quality expansions added to the game, other than more grind? Everyone is entitled to play the way they see fit but PVE to PVE to PVE isn't my kind of game.
Then there's the imbalance, it's not funny. And where have Blizzard updated the WoW engine? They haven't in years, it's the same old ugly mesh it has been since 2003. At least EVE, Aion and other MMO's have tried to update their engine to somewhat keep up with technology.
Disappointing pick, most improved game of 2009 maybe, but GOTY not quite.
Tried it, didn't like it (it felt like "work"), but EVE probably deserved winning.
Congratulations!
Besides, Iceland needs it!
Yep a deserving win here for eve. As for some of the questionscomplaints...
Has eve got its promissed social stuff in yet? Yes.
XXXXX game has more subs why didnt it do better? This is about best overall MMO in 2009 and sub numbers is onlu a small factor to consider.
WoW continuously increased in subs just like eve! Eve actually didnt it did have one period where it lost some due to the T20 scandall. WoW tho it has increased subs over time had severall such periods and is in one right now [hence the unuserall act of releasing expansions with the promis to all that this is an improvement].
And a classic Questin that Amazing Avery asked was about the impression that you will be years behind vets and cant catch up? Basically its true you cant catch up in pure skillpoint ammounts, but what you need to understand is the the skillsystem is about 2 things. Letting you use items and its about deminishing returns. For example you fly a cruiser as a new player with say 2 million skillpoints, your oponent flys a cruiser as well with similar fittings at 30 million skillpoints. Also to train the cruiser skill to 4 you need 2 days to train it to 5 it can take 8 days or more yet it only gives you a 5% bonus per level. So while he is traing to 5 you can train to 4 then train many more skills as well in the same time.
As for catching up game wise so you can compete farely with vets its les about skills and gold but more about teamwork.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
This old warhorse of a MMO keeps charging and it is good to see that something not point and click fantasy won the award.
"And a classic Questin that Amazing Avery asked was about the impression that you will be years behind vets and cant catch up?"
You mean players that have played for a month can't be as well set up as a player who has played for two years? Oh the injustice, oh the indignity.
Great pick . . .
Congratulations EVE!
I'm not a fan of this style of game at all, but I can fully appreciate that this is one of the best MMOs out there by a mile.
However, it's kinda sad that a game this old is winning this award. It really doesn't say much for the newer games out there.
Aryas
Playing: Ableton Live 8
~ ragequitcancelsubdeletegamesmashcomputerkillself ~
No one that I know plays EVE. It must be very niche lol
Lost all respect for Mmorpg.com.
Apparently they don’t really know Eve that well, they just accept whatever bs CCP uses so well to lure people in, or CCP just happened to pay them the most, or get their editors some hookers, who knows.
Choosing Eve is ridiculous.
Sure Eve has some fantastic elements like fleet battles between hundreds of individuals, and a persistent large scale political landscape. Sure, players have essentially infinite inventory, putting other mmos inventory systems to shame. Yeah, you can find some wonderful, unique elements in the game, but…
The game is an old dog with no new tricks, a clunker, and financially a scam on its plays.
The game is plagued with RMT (real money trade/ microtransactions), both through gold sellers and what’s allowed by and pushed by CCP itself.
There is no experience grind in Eve, because ‘skilling’ occurs on a real time clock the same for everyone, regardless of effort, regardless of talent, regardless of dedication, regardless of time online.
That’s NOT to help players by eliminating grind, no, that was genius to make advancement so sloooooow that everyone, even diehard 24/7 players, would take years of paying subscriptions to mature characters (unless they buy characters on CCP’s website).
There is a grind; it’s just not an experience grind. Gold (isk) accumulation, is the grind, and anyone with a credit card can get that gold(isk) or get advanced characters with CCP’s blessing as long as CCP gets their piece of the transaction (through the GTC, game time card, scam).
(To Eve players scratching their heads. What’s the GTC scam? A year’s subscription, if paid for by GTCs, costs around 80 dollars more than a sub paid for a year in advance by cc or other real life money means. That is CCP’s cut, that’s why they push using GTCs so hard.
Every veteran with multiple accounts using GTCs is drawing in 80 dollars per year per account more than the cheapest cc subscription plan usual in all mmorpgs including Eve. That’s HUGE money CCP is picking from player pockets under the guise of a ‘service’ to players by providing those GTCs.)
The game expansions aren’t anything like usual mmo expansions, they’re patches at best.
The game doesn’t have content per se like most mmorpgs. Eve is a ‘sandbox’ game, not an ‘amusement park’ game. It’s like an mmo equivalent of Team Fortress 2. That’s one reason the ‘expansions’ aren’t really expansions, and the reason the ‘expansions’ are free. Nobody in their right mind would ever buy them. CCP’s development costs, and what they deliver to players, is far less than for other mmorpgs developers. That’s a fact. If you like a sandbox great, but don’t pretend CCP is actually some example of excellence.
The major ‘expansion’ Dominion they mention actually made the game worse in that it introduced WORSE lag than before the patch. The game is f’ing over 6 years old and CCP is back doing public testing on the test server to fix lag for big fleet battles, THE endgame.
Worm holes they mention as a major change really didn’t change much of anything. There’s nothing wrong with the worm holes, but they hardly changed anything for anyone either.
Eve’s ‘epic’ mission arcs are shallow jokes compared to the inventory of storyline and quests in other mmorpgs.
The change in sovereignty mechanics? That wasn’t a major advance. That was a belated measure to replace the POS shooting drudge that people hated for years.
I could go on and on, but the single worst aspect of Eve I can think of off the top of my head is that game mechanics push people to use multiple accounts. Players from any other game would think it just crazy to get into a game where the veterans who stay more than 6 months end up using multiple accounts, but that’s what happens. It’s crazy, but lots of different game mechanics push players to get multiple accounts.
Eve veterans get fanboy goggles, and they don’t feel cheated by CCP. The players who stay for the abuse, they are proud of having multiple accounts because it’s a status symbol, it separates you from the newbs.
CCP’s Eve doesn’t charge for expansions, because their expansions are really patches, not something anyone would pay for. CCP more than makes up for that though, and actually costs MORE per player than other mmorpgs, even though they have LESS content, because veteran players have multiple accounts, multiple subscriptions.
(Some veterans say their subs are free, paid for by isk, but just a message to anyone of them reading this who can’t do math: SOMEONE paid real money for the game time card, GTC, which paid your sub, probably a sucker newb who was trying to keep up with 6 year old players. Some player, veteran or not, is paying real money for all those accounts.)
On the subject of newbs vs veterans, a huge downside to Eve for newbs is that Eve doesn’t have resets. In other games, once a year or two years or three, the playing field gets leveled. Not in Eve. Doesn’t matter when you start from now on, you will always be behind veterans, some of whom have been in the game over half a decade.
Blah blah blah, k, I’m done, the list of downsides to Eve is too long to keep going here.
To the editors of mmorpgs.com.
If you want to talk about some wonderful, fantastic, unique features of Eve or some neat stories of events in game, or whatever, that’s fine, but wtf, Game of the Year? Please. What a bad, bad, bad choice.
/insert here few female related stories
xxxangelxxx political moves whit PL
mazz CSM and eve related political trolls whit PL
eris discordia and how she become a dev
foyle (the dark queen of curse)
BestSigEver :P
P.S. Their own players have no confidence in CCP progress and response feedback. Eve has a CSM, Council of Stellar Management, a group of players voted for by the players who go to Iceland to discuss game changes with CCP.
Almost nobody even votes for those delegates because the whole exercise is a sham. Voting is free, easy, just takes a click, is available to all accounts, but almost nobody votes, and by “almost nobody,” I mean less than 10 percent of the entire Eve population votes for the CSM. That’s how much Eve players think CCP is listening to them.
(And by the way, that CSM itself was created as a ploy to improve player confidence after a CCP dev was caught cheating for the team ‘wining’ much of the time in Eve.
Also by the way, CCP’s response in that dev cheating scandal was to permanently ban all the accounts OF THE WHISTLE BLOWER, who revealed the CCP dev was cheating.)
P.P.S. The great Dominion ‘expansion’ that mmorpgs. com is lauding, didn’t include some capital changes that everyone anticipated, and it was a telling debacle.
Recently CCP had a dev in charge of end game ships, capitals, who scrapped most of the tested, player approved changes in development for months on the test server. When the CCP dev bothered to type up some of his thoughts, he included a suggestion that people use target painters on capitals to compensate for some other changes.
To put that in World of Warcraft terms, it’d be like a Blizzard dev coming out and scrapping planned, highly anticipated, tested, player approved changes, and in the discussion seriously saying that warriors should just bubble hearth when in trouble. Yes, as ridiculous as suggesting that warriors, not paladins, bubble hearth. Sorry, I don’t usually refer to WoW, but it’s something everyone understands, even if they don’t like that game.
It is great game. But Dominion sucks, everyone in 0.0 know that, lag monster is back and we cant do anything about that. Rienforced node can't handle 600 players, I dont know when will we agan reach more then 1400 players in fight. So lame But I like eve and I will not stop playing it
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really wish there was a real time combat fantasy version of eve. or at least a fantasy version with a good combat system.
DF and MO both want to be. DF has the world size to do it, but does not seem to have the drive or game design skill (great coders however) to do it.
2DavidLemke
That is the stupidest post I've seen in a while. In fact, it was so stupid, that it made me register
GTC - well, I do not use CC to pay for games, no matter what (and yes, I do have a valid CC). So, with GTC they got an additional customer.
Resets - Let's reset B. Gates. Resets are stupid, and those companies that use them are lazy. Fairness is a rare commodity, real life or otherwise. You and I will never ever have the same opportunities as Mr. Gates. Thus, this whole point is extremely stupid.
Those that sell GTC to "keep up" with veterans are stupid. No matter how mean your ship are, you will be blown in 5 s., if you do not know how to use it.
Offline leveling system is a nice feature. In fact, I will not play any P2P MMO that does not have it. It brings more life into MMO, and helps those that play only for 1-2 h. a day (or less).
I've stayed for 6 m. and do not see any need for multiple announts. I did something wrong?
Oh, forgot to mention that I actually quit EVE soon. Still, I consider CCP one of the best MMO companies. They do know, what they are doing.