On WoW I was in some good guilds. For many different reasons they always fell apart. I was always invited by one or more of the successor guilds, but still it was annoying. There was also quite a lot of drama, which wasn't very enjoyable. I tend to identify with and feel more or less responsible for the guild/community I am part of and all that falling apart doesn't really agree with me. However, I met a lot of interesting and nice people over there. WoW doesn't have a bad community, it has many good ones and many bad ones.
I am now playing LotRO for as long as I played WoW and I am still in my first guild (kinship). We even had an international RL meeting last year. It caters for a somewhat different audience than WoW (generally more laid-back) and that is noticable. But also on LotRO you might encounter some people you'll hate!
[My WoW experience was on two European RPPvP servers (in the old days one was not allowed to play both Alliance and Horde on a single PvP server), my LotRO experience on the European RP server]
I also played EvE Online, but I do not have anything to add to what's written above.
I rarely meet "bad" people in wow. I believe most people are actually nice and helpful. As some have touched on, Wow has such a large playerbase that you are bound to meet a few eggheads along the way. I don't believe the wow community has more or less idiots than any other MMORPGs.
This is always a hard thing to measure fairly. Most of the players know that moved from Wow to EQ2 or LOTRO say that they have better communities than Wow but how do we know that for sure? Maybe are they just partial to the new game. My personal experience is that EQ2 have the best community while Wow and Guildwars have the worst but I can't really prove that, I might just have been unlucky. But that the Us servers should be worse than the EU servers, that is rubbish. I play on a US EQ2 server now (I am Swedish), played on a EU server before. People are at least as nice there as on the EU server. the whole idea sounds like utter bull (Europeans often thinks Americans are stupid because they are bad on history and geography, Americans thinks Europeans are stupid because Europeans sucks at math, it is just different priorities). One of the reason many people can think that Wows community is bad is because Wows population have a very high percentage of teens, and teens have their culture and are often considered rude by olderr persons. Of course Wows community might very well suck totally but it is very hard to prove that one way or another.
Totally agree with the statement about the teens. Joined a PuG raid once, and the vent was filled with what sounded like freshmen talking to chipmunks, and they were the rudest, mean spirited people I had ever grouped with.
I am really surprised i don't run into more groups like this, but maybe that is because I play on an rp-pvp server and just that classification might steer some of the younger crowds away.
Everquest was the same way, just without voice chat. You learned who the kids were, they never leveled very high, and always had a new character that "needed" help. You wouldn't want to help them to much because you knew next week they would have rerolled and be asking for assistance again.
An Adult only server would be awesome in so many different MMOs. Almost impossible to enforce such a thing i'm sure.
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It goes both ways really. I will agree that since WOW has so many people playing it, alot tend to be immature and act like babies. On the other hand, the way Blizzard has set the game up tends to make alot of people that way. The way the game plays out with everyone rushing to end game and then setting off to acquire epics has alot to do with people's attitude.
They want everything fast and furious and since the only way to get those epics is to raid hard or run the daily instance marathon as fast as you can for tokens, this allows people to become nasty to others that may not have as good of gear as the group. This leads to checking for gear score and achievments that ultimately makes for a bad community.
So, does WOW have a bad community, i would say yes and no.
I have played on four different servers and all of them had more than their share of elitist jerks and other malcontents. They had good people as well but the oxygen thieves were by far the most vocal.
I rarely meet "bad" people in wow. I believe most people are actually nice and helpful. As some have touched on, Wow has such a large playerbase that you are bound to meet a few eggheads along the way. I don't believe the wow community has more or less idiots than any other MMORPGs.
I was going to say the exact same thing. I suppose if you have some semblance of sympathy or tolerance, there are less eggheads. I think many of the people who believe WoW's community to be bad, need to get over themselves. The biggest jerks in WoW are the elitists who think they are better than everyone else and will use the terms Noob and Scrub to make themselves feel superior. In my exprience the noobs and srubs make up the majority of players, and they are really nice people for the most part.
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Turn of any public chat channels, turn them on momentarily if you need them but in most games they are never used for their purpose, IE the WoW trade channel or something similar, so you are unlikely to find what you need anyhow, just leave them of.
Ignore stupid people, I know it can be hard not to reply to something said by someone that is so horribly ignorant and/or stupid it defies darwin, but trying to argue with semi-humans is rarely fruitful. ( sp?)
The dungeon tool in WoW is one of the best features I have ever seen in any MMO, yes occasionally you get teamed up with asshats and you have two choices.
Leave!, this gives you the 15 min GCD on the dungeon tool but lets face it, if you are prone to anger this migth be the better choice.
Charity!, If you are the healer or the tank, and is exceptionally well geared or very very good, or both, you can, on your own, make sure that the group cleares the dungeon, true for some DPS builds as well, pally, druid, shammie, priest that can take on another role at a whim..
True for most dungeons, some exceptions may apply, halls of reflections for example.
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Originally posted by Lexiscat Because that is the only experience i listed, and the only experience i'm basing my opinion on.
Apparently that's so since you jump on "WoW players are teens" bandwagon because you encountered a bunch of immature/rude people just once. :-)
Alright, I'll explain the obvious:
PuG raids naturally consist of people who can't raid with a guild. Why can't they? Some are casuals. Some are playing their alts at the moment. But mostly it's people who tried to join a guild and failed.
Many serious raidguilds have age restrictions, most of them have gear checks and all of them have strict rules. These guilds absorb skilled players and people with agreeable behavior. No-one wants noobs who can't do anything right, no-one wants whiners, drama queens, ninjas etc.
Where do those rejects end up? Right, in random groups and raids. They're useless, they're irritating and they're, very often, young. They can annoy. But hating them is like hating a beggar in the street. The rejects are already the lower class among WoW players. Some of them are good PvP-ers but those who aren't... their in-game existence is just miserable.
TL;DR: people who L2P and join a good guild never have troubles with so-called "WoW community".
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
The point "wow has 10mio players" is pretty lame, since there cant be 10mio players on just one server. The server capacity is like in many other MMOs. Of corse the absolute numbers of jerks is higher in wow because of the subs, but what you see while playing wow is a way higher percentage of jerks.
The point "wow has 10mio players" is pretty lame, since there cant be 10mio players on just one server. The server capacity is like in many other MMOs. Of corse the absolute numbers of jerks is higher in wow because of the subs, but what i see while playing wow is a way higher percentage of jerks.
I fixed that for you as your experience does not mirror mine.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I've had enough trouble with other players that I really wish I could quit playing WoW at times but I don't have many options open to me on a Mac (I hate booting to Windows). That's why I'm here right now actually, I was going to try looking the game list over again to see if anything popped out at me.
Guild crap alone is a pain. I'm running my own and I was actually robbed by a guy who used a game exploit to do it (he was suspended for what he did, BTW). Another guy was a pain so we booted him and then he stalked us for a day or two, cursing us out and calling us names. You don't even have time to hear what happened with the first guild I ran...that I was, by the way, given out of the blue without any explanation...
Outside the guild is much, much worse. There are certain players who are forever spamming Trade and harassing people. Yeah, I could ignore them...but when you advertise your guild or a run, they're still there trying as hard as they can to humiliate you and put you down because they have deemed themselves gods. And sadly, they have followers -- people who are equally as nasty or people who are afraid of them. I've reported one of them about 4 or 5 times in the last week. I've even reported some of their messages as spam when they started on about goofy things. Nothing. Still there, still mouthing off, still making the server nearly unbearable some days.
You don't even want to hear about GS...I haven't had to deal with it myself yet but it's there, always lurking, always ruining runs for people who work really hard and really want to come along. It's so bad at times that my main is only level 72 after two or three months of playing her. I've played games that require hours and hours and hours of grinding every day to level so it's not that I can't cap...I just don't want to. I get enough crap from people now that I can't imagine why I would want to cap and heal for these people. -.-
In short...I think the game is nice. It's fun, I enjoy it. I'm excited to see what comes next. But if anything makes me quit one day, it'll likely be the community I'm dealing with because it sucks having to leave my guild and friends behind after we put so much into obtaining all of our tabs. I'd probably quit the entire game before I start over somewhere else. *shrug*
I've had enough trouble with other players that I really wish I could quit playing WoW at times but I don't have many options open to me on a Mac (I hate booting to Windows). That's why I'm here right now actually, I was going to try looking the game list over again to see if anything popped out at me. Guild crap alone is a pain. I'm running my own and I was actually robbed by a guy who used a game exploit to do it (he was suspended for what he did, BTW). Another guy was a pain so we booted him and then he stalked us for a day or two, cursing us out and calling us names. You don't even have time to hear what happened with the first guild I ran...that I was, by the way, given out of the blue without any explanation... Outside the guild is much, much worse. There are certain players who are forever spamming Trade and harassing people. Yeah, I could ignore them...but when you advertise your guild or a run, they're still there trying as hard as they can to humiliate you and put you down because they have deemed themselves gods. And sadly, they have followers -- people who are equally as nasty or people who are afraid of them. I've reported one of them about 4 or 5 times in the last week. I've even reported some of their messages as spam when they started on about goofy things. Nothing. Still there, still mouthing off, still making the server nearly unbearable some days. You don't even want to hear about GS...I haven't had to deal with it myself yet but it's there, always lurking, always ruining runs for people who work really hard and really want to come along. It's so bad at times that my main is only level 72 after two or three months of playing her. I've played games that require hours and hours and hours of grinding every day to level so it's not that I can't cap...I just don't want to. I get enough crap from people now that I can't imagine why I would want to cap and heal for these people. -.- In short...I think the game is nice. It's fun, I enjoy it. I'm excited to see what comes next. But if anything makes me quit one day, it'll likely be the community I'm dealing with because it sucks having to leave my guild and friends behind after we put so much into obtaining all of our tabs. I'd probably quit the entire game before I start over somewhere else. *shrug*
These types of people exist in every MMO I have ever played. It's nothing unique to Wow. I agree they are annoying and sometimes even hurts your fun, but in the end it's just a game. Don't let people like that get to you.
I've had enough trouble with other players that I really wish I could quit playing WoW at times but I don't have many options open to me on a Mac (I hate booting to Windows). That's why I'm here right now actually, I was going to try looking the game list over again to see if anything popped out at me. Guild crap alone is a pain. I'm running my own and I was actually robbed by a guy who used a game exploit to do it (he was suspended for what he did, BTW). Another guy was a pain so we booted him and then he stalked us for a day or two, cursing us out and calling us names. You don't even have time to hear what happened with the first guild I ran...that I was, by the way, given out of the blue without any explanation... Outside the guild is much, much worse. There are certain players who are forever spamming Trade and harassing people. Yeah, I could ignore them...but when you advertise your guild or a run, they're still there trying as hard as they can to humiliate you and put you down because they have deemed themselves gods. And sadly, they have followers -- people who are equally as nasty or people who are afraid of them. I've reported one of them about 4 or 5 times in the last week. I've even reported some of their messages as spam when they started on about goofy things. Nothing. Still there, still mouthing off, still making the server nearly unbearable some days. You don't even want to hear about GS...I haven't had to deal with it myself yet but it's there, always lurking, always ruining runs for people who work really hard and really want to come along. It's so bad at times that my main is only level 72 after two or three months of playing her. I've played games that require hours and hours and hours of grinding every day to level so it's not that I can't cap...I just don't want to. I get enough crap from people now that I can't imagine why I would want to cap and heal for these people. -.- In short...I think the game is nice. It's fun, I enjoy it. I'm excited to see what comes next. But if anything makes me quit one day, it'll likely be the community I'm dealing with because it sucks having to leave my guild and friends behind after we put so much into obtaining all of our tabs. I'd probably quit the entire game before I start over somewhere else. *shrug*
These types of people exist in every MMO I have ever played. It's nothing unique to Wow. I agree they are annoying and sometimes even hurts your fun, but in the end it's just a game. Don't let people like that get to you.
I try to ignore them but I suppose these people get to me when I start feeling stuck with them. I used to play Fiesta Online, it's what got me into online gaming, and what made me quit was being stuck with jerks. It's a grindfest so you don't see very many people who reach 60 let alone their cap which is up over 100 by now. So as you level, the number of players at your level shrinks and I started to feel confined. I'd go into a Kingdom Quest (sort of like a BG) and there they'd be. They were in the top guilds, mouthing off, spreading rumors, running crap and not being able to even avoid them the higher I went just ruined it. 80, to me, just seems like too small of a world with them running around in it. -_-
Now, I also tried Perfect World International but never saw any of that crap. Sure, there were probably crappy players somewhere but the world felt so massive that if someone got in my face (which was rare), I'd never see them again afterward. If there was any drama going on, I didn't hear about it and I liked it that way. But yeah, jerks in all games...WoW just has a different flavor to it since so many people use GS, it's an extra little annoying something that other games don't have.
Like any community WoW has good and bad people in it . What Warcraft does have in abundance is younger players and suffers from all the same problems associated when any large group of children get together . The best tactic is to try and find an adult guild if possible . There are some about . Other games like Lord of the Rings have friendlier communities but Age of Conan has a less friendly community than WoW .
No it isn't a theory. Theres more douches in that game then any I've played in EQ.
From beta to now and it seems as people get higher level in a raiding guild they doucheneses increases exponentially. I recall in beta having to teach people that yes it was bad to roll for things that were BOP that you couldn't use. Some considered that stupid because they could sell it for gold they needed. Others would join a group and complain when told they couldn't roll on things they couldn't use and then leave.
WOW is a game that provides the player with easy gameplay and fast progression. This leads to the mentality I WANT WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT NOW. If the players don't get that they either, A) hissy fit quit the guild join another C) loot the guildbank.
Like 100% of the games I played, including First Person Shooters, RTS, MMORPG, simulation... e-thugs like to hang out where they can reach a large audience, which includes global chats (of any game), trade chats or any "Barrens" chat.
Then in smaller audience (group / raid chats) e-thugs are generally kicked or leave themselves when they see no one really care for them.
As for elitists, well they usually wont use trade chats since most of them don't want to waste their time chatting. Yes you will find them in groups and they wont be very friendly, but ignore them and move on. You'll find them in every games anyway. They usually only hang out with their pack (top tier guild / top invite clans).
I believe my high school science teacher said that a theory is "an educated guess". Anyone who has played WOW does not have to guess about how bad the quality of the community is.
The problem with WoW's community isnt quality, but quantity. And thats what most people mistake.
In other words, the moron/normal players ratio is mostly equal across all games, but with a community over the 10m you are likely to find god damn jerks faster. If games like DarkFall taugh us something, is that even really really niche communities of equally closeminded players are still filled with morons.
In a nutshell, saying that WoW's community is quantitatively worse than most other MMOs is true, but saying its qualitatively worse than any other MMO is beyond cynicism.
Im still hoping for a genius to invent a foolproof device to stop bloody idiots from using internet. Such achievement should deserve a Nobel.
In short the reason for the worst community is becasue WoW aim at much larger audience. Its like to get cat and dogs together...
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration ______\m/_____ LordOfDarkDesire
Well my experience in WOW was MUCH different.First of all the noob areas are as dead as any other older game,i have played the trials a few times and found last time out a total of 5 players in a whole week of playing.
ok that part aside ,i played WOW in the first week of it's inception.I have never in my thousands of games seen such an immature crowd.They were in masses forming wagon train circles and emoting choo choo all day long for the entire week until i quit.When i was out in the game playing,about day 7,i had this kid keep following me around non stop,pestering me to PVP,i tried ignoring him,but he kept on and on until it got so annoying ,i logged off to get rid of him. I asked him "don't you have a game to play?"and he kept on ,just PVP me,i want to try my new weapon.
Chat?well i never really paid attention to chat, but i do know what i have heard from WOW players in other games,and yes they are quite ridiculous.The fact is i doubt i will ever in the rest of my life encounter a more immature crowd than what i saw of WOW in the first week i played,those choo choo lines went on hour after hour non stop and hundreds were doing it,real childish.You know what the other thing i have seen from former WOW players running around in games?They think it is cool to run around naked,then when many people call them immature idiots they began to make excuses saying they were only doing it to lessen the lag.
What makes WOW worse for community??the top RMT game on the planet,i guess the community does not care much about the game or there fellow players?Not that this is a WOW only thing,but WOW definitely does not do it any better warranting it a good community tag.
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On WoW I was in some good guilds. For many different reasons they always fell apart. I was always invited by one or more of the successor guilds, but still it was annoying. There was also quite a lot of drama, which wasn't very enjoyable. I tend to identify with and feel more or less responsible for the guild/community I am part of and all that falling apart doesn't really agree with me. However, I met a lot of interesting and nice people over there. WoW doesn't have a bad community, it has many good ones and many bad ones.
I am now playing LotRO for as long as I played WoW and I am still in my first guild (kinship). We even had an international RL meeting last year. It caters for a somewhat different audience than WoW (generally more laid-back) and that is noticable. But also on LotRO you might encounter some people you'll hate!
[My WoW experience was on two European RPPvP servers (in the old days one was not allowed to play both Alliance and Horde on a single PvP server), my LotRO experience on the European RP server]
I also played EvE Online, but I do not have anything to add to what's written above.
the higher the general population
the higher the percentage of stupid people
That said. Wow's community is pretty damn terrible.
I rarely meet "bad" people in wow. I believe most people are actually nice and helpful. As some have touched on, Wow has such a large playerbase that you are bound to meet a few eggheads along the way. I don't believe the wow community has more or less idiots than any other MMORPGs.
Totally agree with the statement about the teens. Joined a PuG raid once, and the vent was filled with what sounded like freshmen talking to chipmunks, and they were the rudest, mean spirited people I had ever grouped with.
I am really surprised i don't run into more groups like this, but maybe that is because I play on an rp-pvp server and just that classification might steer some of the younger crowds away.
Everquest was the same way, just without voice chat. You learned who the kids were, they never leveled very high, and always had a new character that "needed" help. You wouldn't want to help them to much because you knew next week they would have rerolled and be asking for assistance again.
An Adult only server would be awesome in so many different MMOs. Almost impossible to enforce such a thing i'm sure.
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It goes both ways really. I will agree that since WOW has so many people playing it, alot tend to be immature and act like babies. On the other hand, the way Blizzard has set the game up tends to make alot of people that way. The way the game plays out with everyone rushing to end game and then setting off to acquire epics has alot to do with people's attitude.
They want everything fast and furious and since the only way to get those epics is to raid hard or run the daily instance marathon as fast as you can for tokens, this allows people to become nasty to others that may not have as good of gear as the group. This leads to checking for gear score and achievments that ultimately makes for a bad community.
So, does WOW have a bad community, i would say yes and no.
/sarcasm off
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
I have played on four different servers and all of them had more than their share of elitist jerks and other malcontents. They had good people as well but the oxygen thieves were by far the most vocal.
/sarcasm off
Because that is the only experience i listed, and the only experience i'm basing my opinion on.
/sarcasm off
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
I was going to say the exact same thing. I suppose if you have some semblance of sympathy or tolerance, there are less eggheads. I think many of the people who believe WoW's community to be bad, need to get over themselves. The biggest jerks in WoW are the elitists who think they are better than everyone else and will use the terms Noob and Scrub to make themselves feel superior. In my exprience the noobs and srubs make up the majority of players, and they are really nice people for the most part.
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Some universal hints for any MMO!
Turn of any public chat channels, turn them on momentarily if you need them but in most games they are never used for their purpose, IE the WoW trade channel or something similar, so you are unlikely to find what you need anyhow, just leave them of.
Ignore stupid people, I know it can be hard not to reply to something said by someone that is so horribly ignorant and/or stupid it defies darwin, but trying to argue with semi-humans is rarely fruitful. ( sp?)
The dungeon tool in WoW is one of the best features I have ever seen in any MMO, yes occasionally you get teamed up with asshats and you have two choices.
Leave!, this gives you the 15 min GCD on the dungeon tool but lets face it, if you are prone to anger this migth be the better choice.
Charity!, If you are the healer or the tank, and is exceptionally well geared or very very good, or both, you can, on your own, make sure that the group cleares the dungeon, true for some DPS builds as well, pally, druid, shammie, priest that can take on another role at a whim..
True for most dungeons, some exceptions may apply, halls of reflections for example.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Alright, I'll explain the obvious:
PuG raids naturally consist of people who can't raid with a guild. Why can't they? Some are casuals. Some are playing their alts at the moment. But mostly it's people who tried to join a guild and failed.
Many serious raidguilds have age restrictions, most of them have gear checks and all of them have strict rules. These guilds absorb skilled players and people with agreeable behavior. No-one wants noobs who can't do anything right, no-one wants whiners, drama queens, ninjas etc.
Where do those rejects end up? Right, in random groups and raids. They're useless, they're irritating and they're, very often, young. They can annoy. But hating them is like hating a beggar in the street. The rejects are already the lower class among WoW players. Some of them are good PvP-ers but those who aren't... their in-game existence is just miserable.
TL;DR: people who L2P and join a good guild never have troubles with so-called "WoW community".
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
The point "wow has 10mio players" is pretty lame, since there cant be 10mio players on just one server. The server capacity is like in many other MMOs. Of corse the absolute numbers of jerks is higher in wow because of the subs, but what you see while playing wow is a way higher percentage of jerks.
I fixed that for you as your experience does not mirror mine.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Their enhanced ability to say clever, trolling shit like this? Or an ability to see beyond rampant fallacy into the truly ridiculous?
no offence ofcourse
I've had enough trouble with other players that I really wish I could quit playing WoW at times but I don't have many options open to me on a Mac (I hate booting to Windows). That's why I'm here right now actually, I was going to try looking the game list over again to see if anything popped out at me.
Guild crap alone is a pain. I'm running my own and I was actually robbed by a guy who used a game exploit to do it (he was suspended for what he did, BTW). Another guy was a pain so we booted him and then he stalked us for a day or two, cursing us out and calling us names. You don't even have time to hear what happened with the first guild I ran...that I was, by the way, given out of the blue without any explanation...
Outside the guild is much, much worse. There are certain players who are forever spamming Trade and harassing people. Yeah, I could ignore them...but when you advertise your guild or a run, they're still there trying as hard as they can to humiliate you and put you down because they have deemed themselves gods. And sadly, they have followers -- people who are equally as nasty or people who are afraid of them. I've reported one of them about 4 or 5 times in the last week. I've even reported some of their messages as spam when they started on about goofy things. Nothing. Still there, still mouthing off, still making the server nearly unbearable some days.
You don't even want to hear about GS...I haven't had to deal with it myself yet but it's there, always lurking, always ruining runs for people who work really hard and really want to come along. It's so bad at times that my main is only level 72 after two or three months of playing her. I've played games that require hours and hours and hours of grinding every day to level so it's not that I can't cap...I just don't want to. I get enough crap from people now that I can't imagine why I would want to cap and heal for these people. -.-
In short...I think the game is nice. It's fun, I enjoy it. I'm excited to see what comes next. But if anything makes me quit one day, it'll likely be the community I'm dealing with because it sucks having to leave my guild and friends behind after we put so much into obtaining all of our tabs. I'd probably quit the entire game before I start over somewhere else. *shrug*
These types of people exist in every MMO I have ever played. It's nothing unique to Wow. I agree they are annoying and sometimes even hurts your fun, but in the end it's just a game. Don't let people like that get to you.
These types of people exist in every MMO I have ever played. It's nothing unique to Wow. I agree they are annoying and sometimes even hurts your fun, but in the end it's just a game. Don't let people like that get to you.
I try to ignore them but I suppose these people get to me when I start feeling stuck with them. I used to play Fiesta Online, it's what got me into online gaming, and what made me quit was being stuck with jerks. It's a grindfest so you don't see very many people who reach 60 let alone their cap which is up over 100 by now. So as you level, the number of players at your level shrinks and I started to feel confined. I'd go into a Kingdom Quest (sort of like a BG) and there they'd be. They were in the top guilds, mouthing off, spreading rumors, running crap and not being able to even avoid them the higher I went just ruined it. 80, to me, just seems like too small of a world with them running around in it. -_-
Now, I also tried Perfect World International but never saw any of that crap. Sure, there were probably crappy players somewhere but the world felt so massive that if someone got in my face (which was rare), I'd never see them again afterward. If there was any drama going on, I didn't hear about it and I liked it that way. But yeah, jerks in all games...WoW just has a different flavor to it since so many people use GS, it's an extra little annoying something that other games don't have.
Like any community WoW has good and bad people in it . What Warcraft does have in abundance is younger players and suffers from all the same problems associated when any large group of children get together . The best tactic is to try and find an adult guild if possible . There are some about . Other games like Lord of the Rings have friendlier communities but Age of Conan has a less friendly community than WoW .
No it isn't a theory. Theres more douches in that game then any I've played in EQ.
From beta to now and it seems as people get higher level in a raiding guild they doucheneses increases exponentially. I recall in beta having to teach people that yes it was bad to roll for things that were BOP that you couldn't use. Some considered that stupid because they could sell it for gold they needed. Others would join a group and complain when told they couldn't roll on things they couldn't use and then leave.
WOW is a game that provides the player with easy gameplay and fast progression. This leads to the mentality I WANT WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT NOW. If the players don't get that they either, A) hissy fit
quit the guild join another C) loot the guildbank.
Like 100% of the games I played, including First Person Shooters, RTS, MMORPG, simulation... e-thugs like to hang out where they can reach a large audience, which includes global chats (of any game), trade chats or any "Barrens" chat.
Then in smaller audience (group / raid chats) e-thugs are generally kicked or leave themselves when they see no one really care for them.
As for elitists, well they usually wont use trade chats since most of them don't want to waste their time chatting. Yes you will find them in groups and they wont be very friendly, but ignore them and move on. You'll find them in every games anyway. They usually only hang out with their pack (top tier guild / top invite clans).
I believe my high school science teacher said that a theory is "an educated guess". Anyone who has played WOW does not have to guess about how bad the quality of the community is.
In short the reason for the worst community is becasue WoW aim at much larger audience. Its like to get cat and dogs together...
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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Like I said: failed old argument.
Since WOW has become THAT big, ... most can play with their RL friends and family these days.
Outside RL friends and the guild mates, the others are merely advanced NPC's one uses.
It's the smaller "struggle to survive" MMO's where nobody is in , where the idiotic mentality reigns...
We play with family and friends in WOW.
If you don't... that tells something about you .....
What that their friends and/or family don't play WOW?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well my experience in WOW was MUCH different.First of all the noob areas are as dead as any other older game,i have played the trials a few times and found last time out a total of 5 players in a whole week of playing.
ok that part aside ,i played WOW in the first week of it's inception.I have never in my thousands of games seen such an immature crowd.They were in masses forming wagon train circles and emoting choo choo all day long for the entire week until i quit.When i was out in the game playing,about day 7,i had this kid keep following me around non stop,pestering me to PVP,i tried ignoring him,but he kept on and on until it got so annoying ,i logged off to get rid of him. I asked him "don't you have a game to play?"and he kept on ,just PVP me,i want to try my new weapon.
Chat?well i never really paid attention to chat, but i do know what i have heard from WOW players in other games,and yes they are quite ridiculous.The fact is i doubt i will ever in the rest of my life encounter a more immature crowd than what i saw of WOW in the first week i played,those choo choo lines went on hour after hour non stop and hundreds were doing it,real childish.You know what the other thing i have seen from former WOW players running around in games?They think it is cool to run around naked,then when many people call them immature idiots they began to make excuses saying they were only doing it to lessen the lag.
What makes WOW worse for community??the top RMT game on the planet,i guess the community does not care much about the game or there fellow players?Not that this is a WOW only thing,but WOW definitely does not do it any better warranting it a good community tag.
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I find it funny when some are founding their opinion on a 7 days trial..