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Most people will be forced to use C-store for respec
Slavebot
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No, not everyone care about extra character slots, not extra race and racial traits, not fancy ships and uniforms. The only way to make this business model that's nothing short of greed (monthly sub + item mall) work is to sell what people needs.
You say, but game hasn't released yet! Oh don't kid yourself, champion online was the test bed for this game, not only for the engine but also the business model. Anyone who played champion online can tell you horror stories of how frequent cryptic does 'balance' patches and 'tweaks' 'bug fixes' on skills that make your current build completely useless. Once out of blue moon they will hand out free respec every other month, but as frequent as they do these 'bug' fixes, you cant wait for the next free respec to be efficient. Most people in champion just reroll and shelf their character until the next free respec because they made it unrealistic expensive to use in game currency to respec. Oh wait, cryptic took notes from champion, now you only have 2 character slots instead of 8. This is no WoW where you just pay 50g for respec, no you cant get off that easy. Pay up or shut up and farm. What you say the drop rate is awesome and you have no problem getting money? lol wait until after release. (most mmo buffs drop rate during beta to attract 'omg purple epix!' people.
This is where the mentality of why people use RMT (real money trading) and item shops comes in. If I can earn 6 dollars 50 cents pushing carts at supermarket for 1 hr and use that to get what I need in game where I would have spent all day farming, why wouldn't anyone do it? Logic wins.
So why in asia, all MMOs (AAA or indie) has no box fee and its free to play and many items shops are only cosmetic items? Yet they can still keep the servers running? Really make sense.
You are warned.
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Hmm...yeah I've been playing CO since launch and getting a respec in game from the devs happens every time a powerset changes up and that has mostly been fine. Haven't heard too many horror stories since they re-jigged the economy so I can always pay in-game to change up my last 10 powers(at least) so no big deal there.
So is there no way what so ever to change any of your abilities in STO? Seems odd. Are you Talking about a total skill reset or just changing a few?
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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I too have played CO since launch, they have screwed up many power and power sets without giving respec every patch. Even after they reworked the economy, it will still takes a long time, (way more than what you would have paid for with 1-2 hr of minimal wage). I have first hand experience of people paid tons of money for respec just to stay 'favor of the month' or competitive.
It just makes my heart break.....
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
This is so full of misinformation, Half-truths and out and out lies I don't even know where to begin. As the previous poster pointed out they hand out a free respec in CO every time they adjust powers now. They did do what you claim in OB and just after release but that was cleared up in the first few weeks. Let me guess... You played CO in OB and possibly just after release, got pissed because they turned 'god mode' off and quit before they had a chance to fix the respec problem so now your on a personal crusade to crush the evil Cryptic? LOL
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Do it...misinformation be damned....trust the publisher......it's only money.
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
They handled out respec for every 'bugged' power? I dont think so. Bottomline is, monthly sub + item malls is nothing but greed. Asian MMOs can stay profit just fine without monthly sub. Have 1 or the other business model, not both. Thats just greedy, no matter how you defend crytic, they will get some people if not a lot people to use item malls. You wait and see. Not personal crusade against cryptic, just a warning.
I too have played CO since launch, they have screwed up many power and power sets without giving respec every patch. Even after they reworked the economy, it will still takes a long time, (way more than what you would have paid for with 1-2 hr of minimal wage). I have first hand experience of people paid tons of money for respec just to stay 'favor of the month' or competitive.
Ah yes. Flavour Of The Month. I'm afraid neither I, nor my in-game friends, have such competitive motivations. In light of that I expect our experiences with CO will differ significantly.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
C-Store = no purchase
I thought RMT stood for Real Money Transaction.
While I too are casual these days, but perhaps this post is not for you because there are certainly type of people wouldn't care what skills they put points into and log in once every 2 weeks.
The main difference between CO and the few 'Asian grinders' I've played is that in CO I have yet to feel compelled to buy anything from the C-Store. They have nothing of real in-game value on it with the exception of retcons. It's important to note, purchasable retcons were asked for by the players from day one and when the C-Store came out without them in, it was pretty lame. With the Asian F2P games, purchases needed to be made to travel, craft, advance and even sometimes to enter new zones. I really don't see much of a similarity.
PS Slave bot: Not to sure what your last comment was alluding to but I play 4 hours a night most days of the week. To me that's casual.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
The main difference between CO and the few 'Asian grinders' I've played is that in CO I have yet to feel compelled to buy anything from the C-Store. They have nothing of real in-game value on it with the exception of retcons. It's important to note, purchasable retcons were asked for by the players from day one and when the C-Store came out without them in, it was pretty lame. With the Asian F2P games, purchases needed to be made to travel, craft, advance and even sometimes to enter new zones. I really don't see much of a similarity.
Ya but how long does that last? When they finally hit rock bottom and decide they can make money off of selling ship upgrades you might be in for a shock.
Subs + item malls doesn't work.
The main difference between CO and the few 'Asian grinders' I've played is that in CO I have yet to feel compelled to buy anything from the C-Store. They have nothing of real in-game value on it with the exception of retcons. It's important to note, purchasable retcons were asked for by the players from day one and when the C-Store came out without them in, it was pretty lame. With the Asian F2P games, purchases needed to be made to travel, craft, advance and even sometimes to enter new zones. I really don't see much of a similarity.
Ya but how long does that last? When they finally hit rock bottom and decide they can make money off of selling ship upgrades you might be in for a shock.
Subs + item malls doesn't work.
While we don't know what the future holds, I can't summon up any real emotion for something that hasn't happened yet. I suspect 'grind or buy' balance will be struck at some point.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
The main difference between CO and the few 'Asian grinders' I've played is that in CO I have yet to feel compelled to buy anything from the C-Store. They have nothing of real in-game value on it with the exception of retcons. It's important to note, purchasable retcons were asked for by the players from day one and when the C-Store came out without them in, it was pretty lame. With the Asian F2P games, purchases needed to be made to travel, craft, advance and even sometimes to enter new zones. I really don't see much of a similarity.
It was asked because at the time there were no other ways to respec and every patch was nerf this and nerf that. Anyone who works for living, even for minimal wage can afford c-store and this is where the greed part comes in. They know why RMT cant be elimiated and how people think. This is the same reason why people would buy the pre-order perks or life sub perks, it is after all, minor advantages in exchange for cash. Dont you think someone who can respec at will with real life money = advantage? Unless you have tested every single skills in the game, know how it works and certain they will work like that for the remaining of the game, then you need repsec. You learn it through trials and errors. C-store allows you do that and thats not considered an advantage?
You're right nobody knows the future, but common sense tells us what we need to know about item malls. Everyone becomes a sucker once they begin selling pvp upgrades and whatever. Then you're paying a subscription to play at a disadvantage.
The main difference between CO and the few 'Asian grinders' I've played is that in CO I have yet to feel compelled to buy anything from the C-Store. They have nothing of real in-game value on it with the exception of retcons. It's important to note, purchasable retcons were asked for by the players from day one and when the C-Store came out without them in, it was pretty lame. With the Asian F2P games, purchases needed to be made to travel, craft, advance and even sometimes to enter new zones. I really don't see much of a similarity.
It was asked because at the time there were no other ways to respec and every patch was nerf this and nerf that. Anyone who works for living, even for minimal wage can afford c-store and this is where the greed part comes in. They know why RMT cant be elimiated and how people think. This is the same reason why people would buy the pre-order perks or life sub perks, it is after all, minor advantages in exchange for cash. Dont you think someone who can respec at will with real life money = advantage? Unless you have tested every single skills in the game, know how it works and certain they will work like that for the remaining of the game, then you need repsec. You learn it through trials and errors. C-store allows you do that and thats not considered an advantage?
No. A convenience but not an advantage. I know it may seem like a fine hair to split but the distinction is the only one that keeps me playing any P2P game with an item shop. If a purchased retcon made his same-level toon more powerful, I would consider it an advantage and would be done with Cryptic. It won't though. His toon will still be equal to mine. He can just respec faster. That to me is not enough of a carrot to make me buy a retcon, although I reserve the right to purchase one, if I wish, in the future. The fact is it's not needed in order for me to progress in the game.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Right, while joe is having fun doing what he wanted to do, then log off. all for dropping 5 bucks at c-store, you rather farm mindlessly for 2 weeks shooting at the same mobs.
Oh yes it will make his toon more powerful, ever heard of the term ' cookie cutter build'. someone will have a better toon if he can respec at will.
I have not noticed it taking 2 weeks to farm anything yet. That may change when I start making crafted travel powers but nothing in the C-Store can help with that.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Does it take more than 1 hr to farm the currency for respec? If the answer is yes then c-store wins.
I'm not that bothered about Joe. I don't know him and if he wants to spend all that cash, he's welcome. It's funny. After all the retcons that my main has had since closed beta, I ended up going back to the same powers I chose originally.
Something else: Anyone can log onto the test server and make as many toons as they want, with whatever powers they want, to any level they want, as much as they want. For free. Every change I have made to my main has been tested hundreds of times with instant levelling and free respecs. Anyone can do this easily and without spending a dime. Why in God's name would I pay cash for a respec?
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Oh, gotcha anything over an hour I should just buy a respec.. cool, thanks.
Wait but, what about one hour ten minutes? Should I buy or just go the extra ten minutes? What would I do if you weren't here to tell me this stuff?
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Problem with this is that it ignores the basic premise MMO's: That they are a game. NOTHING is NEEDED. But you're point is almost valid. They will sell what people WANT.
Personally however I don't like the idea that after paying for a box and a full sub, I'm not getting the whole deal. They should offer a cheaper sub or free client + item mall use or Box or full sub with all the bells and whistles.
Problem with this is that it ignores the basic premise MMO's: That they are a game. NOTHING is NEEDED. But you're point is almost valid. They will sell what people WANT.
Personally however I don't like the idea that after paying for a box and a full sub, I'm not getting the whole deal. They should offer a cheaper sub or free client + item mall use or Box or full sub with all the bells and whistles.
Thats sounds like a great idea and is something along the line of what DDO has done. With a VIP account you get a allowance to spend in the cash shop along side a F2P model. On the success of that we may see more games adopt those types of models.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
I never understood this logic. Why even bother playing the game at all? They might as well just sell you a top level character with everything, won't that be fun? Then you and everyone else can move around with the exact same ships you all bought together.
The devs have said the following:
No need to flip out yet.
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