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  • GTwanderGTwander Member UncommonPosts: 6,035
    Originally posted by Gamesmith


    You're totally right that the game industry (namely the MMO genre) needs to stop releasing incomplete games. As consumers we should stand up and say "NO MORE!" and stop buying these incomplete games. Maybe then these companies will start releasing quality, content and feature complete products.

     

    Yes, because historically speaking, boycotting the entertainment industry works.

    Hold on, I got something caught in my eyes while rolling them...

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  • GamesmithGamesmith Member Posts: 67
    Originally posted by GTwander

    Originally posted by Gamesmith


    You're totally right that the game industry (namely the MMO genre) needs to stop releasing incomplete games. As consumers we should stand up and say "NO MORE!" and stop buying these incomplete games. Maybe then these companies will start releasing quality, content and feature complete products.

     

    Yes, because historically speaking, boycotting the entertainment industry works.

    Hold on, I got something caught in my eyes while rolling them...

    I never said it would work. 

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by ste2000

    Originally posted by zaxtor99


     

    Originally posted by ste2000

    Most games do not offer to buy the game in an Alpha state either...........
     
    Sorry Zaxtor while I might agree with many of your points, you lost me there.

    By praising Starvault for allowing you to "play" the game so early, just make me doubt about how balanced are the other points you are trying to deliver.

    To me that sounds a bit delusional.

    I could have lived with the old excuse that the devs need the money, but do not make it look as if they are making you a huge favour by allowing you to play so early, when in truth what you are "playing" is a game in alpha state.

    Simply put, you paid for an Alpha game, do not make a big issue about that.

    If you want to play the spin doctor, try to be a little bit more cautious in your spinning, or you could risk of losing all your credibility.


     

    I said that It's understandable that a small company needs the money in my OP. Maybe you missed that part.

    I am stating that I think I got a good value in getting to play this game in what-ever format you want to call it. I could care less if you want to label it junk, pre-alpha, pre-pre-alpha, or alphabet soup for that matter. I AM HAVING FUN IN THE GAME AS IT IS. That is my opinion, regardless what your name is for what state the game is currently is. Taking that into consideration (the fact that I am enjoying it) I think you could also come to the conclusion that I might feel that I have gotten "more then my money's worth" because I will get to play, participate in testing and share thoughts with the devs until it launches, then I will still get the final client that will be sold and 30 days of game time after it launches.

    I'm not spinning anything.

    However it could be concluded easily that you are trying to spin the game as being in a pre-alpha state and the developers 'only need money' and care about nothing more.



    - Zaxx



    That's what transpires so far, it is not me who is trying to imply that.

    Many people who played beta do not share your enthusiasm and plainly state that the game is an Alpha version.

    The videos I've seen confirm that too.

    Even from your OP I can get the game is far from ready to be released.

    So do not accuse me of trying to deliberatly putting down this game by saying it is in alpha state, because all the evidence so far confirm my view.



    I am not debating your right to like the game in whatever state it is, and frankly I could not care less if you want to pay for an old pair of old boots, it is your money.

    But do not spin it as a positive thing, as if the fact you are allowed to play a game in alpha state is something Starvault should be proud of.

    Other developers do not do that because they respect their customers.........................not the other way round, like you are trying to imply.



     

    ww the crafting was in alpha it isnt any more theres alot thats not alpha stage wise yea the pve and ai is kinda but meh

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    Someone writing so much about a game that is clearly far from release quality most have some issues, or hidden agenda.

  • Zaxx99Zaxx99 Member Posts: 1,761


    Originally posted by Yamota
    Someone writing so much about a game that is clearly far from release quality most have some issues, or hidden agenda.

    Ahh yes. Sorry about that OP of mine. I guess I should have put in a one liner you wouldn't be too lazy to read such as "MO is da bomb man!". Would that be better? {grin}


    - Zaxx

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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    Originally posted by zaxtor99


     

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Someone writing so much about a game that is clearly far from release quality most have some issues, or hidden agenda.

     

    Ahh yes. Sorry about that OP of mine. I guess I should have put in a one liner you wouldn't be too lazy to read such as "MO is da bomb man!". Would that be better? {grin}



    - Zaxx

     

    Don't mind them those interested in the game and have some time can read it and maybe comment else the ones that entered here just to have fun of people that are having fun in a GAME let them be they will eventually stop posting after they figure no one cares about them.


  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by zaxtor99


     

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Someone writing so much about a game that is clearly far from release quality most have some issues, or hidden agenda.

     

    Ahh yes. Sorry about that OP of mine. I guess I should have put in a one liner you wouldn't be too lazy to read such as "MO is da bomb man!". Would that be better? {grin}



    - Zaxx

     

    Yeah, it's that black and white right? One liner or huge wall of text?

    But then again, regardless the length of the post, why do you have such a need to say something good about a game that is clearly underdeveloped?

    And that is not a subjective opinion, regardless of YOU are having fun or not, the game is underdeveloped even by MMORPGs standards for unfinished releases. I am right now in STO beta and MO beta and the level of completeness of the two games are lightyears from each other. And that has nothing to do with which game is better, in theory.

    I prefer sandbox over themeparks but most of all I want a complete game and STO feels far more complete than MO at this stage.

  • Zaxx99Zaxx99 Member Posts: 1,761


    Originally posted by Yamota
    Yeah, it's that black and white right? One liner or huge wall of text?
    But then again, regardless the length of the post, why do you have such a need to say something good about a game that is clearly underdeveloped?
    And that is not a subjective opinion, regardless of YOU are having fun or not, the game is underdeveloped even by MMORPGs standards for unfinished releases. I am right now in STO beta and MO beta and the level of completeness of the two games are lightyears from each other. And that has nothing to do with which game is better, in theory.
    I prefer sandbox over themeparks but most of all I want a complete game and STO feels far more complete than MO at this stage.

    And I will not disagree, especially since I don't currently play STO, nor do I have any intentions of playing that game.

    You can search all my forum posts, and not once will you ever see me state that MO is even close to being complete yet. I did however say that regardless of it being far from completion and having bugs still, I am having a LOT of fun with it. And I explained in my OP here exactly how and what I am having fun doing in Mortal Online.

    I also don't expect everyone or every player to agree with me, but I outlined what is working now mainly because there are way too many simple one line type posts just stating that "MO is trash" or "MO suxxorz Avoid at all costs!". At least I am providing more in depth reasons and justification as to why I like it right now.


    - Zaxx

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  • NasirJNasirJ Member UncommonPosts: 164
    Originally posted by Yamota

    Originally posted by zaxtor99


     

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Someone writing so much about a game that is clearly far from release quality most have some issues, or hidden agenda.

     

    Ahh yes. Sorry about that OP of mine. I guess I should have put in a one liner you wouldn't be too lazy to read such as "MO is da bomb man!". Would that be better? {grin}



    - Zaxx

     

    Yeah, it's that black and white right? One liner or huge wall of text?

    But then again, regardless the length of the post, why do you have such a need to say something good about a game that is clearly underdeveloped?

    And that is not a subjective opinion, regardless of YOU are having fun or not, the game is underdeveloped even by MMORPGs standards for unfinished releases. I am right now in STO beta and MO beta and the level of completeness of the two games are lightyears from each other. And that has nothing to do with which game is better, in theory.

    I prefer sandbox over themeparks but most of all I want a complete game and STO feels far more complete than MO at this stage.

     

    Hmm it may be underdeveloped as far as polish, but the core is still there. What are you looking for it you feel MO isn't what you want. And saying the UI is ugly or the animations are stiff is fluff and polish... we are talking game breaking mechanics.

    Currently in MO I can help a guild build a village and store my horses there with merchants. I can craft all equipment needed to survive in battle.. bows, armor , ect... and various types. I can harvest and extract a vast number of resources to create regeants for magic. I can create unlimited variations of character types, classes. I can kill anyone I want and take what they have.. I can tame beasts to fight with me or tame a horse and ride it or use it for mounted combat.... ECT ECT..

     

    What do you want out of this game? Please explain

  • iZakaroNiZakaroN Member UncommonPosts: 719
    Originally posted by rlmccoy1987


    Zaxtor, the only thing I read in that huge wall-of-text is that you hope the game does not die and your trying to defend it using "hope" because it can "change" to get better.
     
    3 questions for you Zaxtor:
    Why do you feel like you have to explain every little detail? 
    Are you that worried? 
    Why are you trying to defend them this much?

     

    Can I answer instead of him?

    Because its my last hope for a great MMO game play. I'm waiting similar game for so long. Peoples like me want more peoples to believe that it will become great game one day. This way more peoples will support the game so it has better chances to success. It is so simple...



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  • EATtheDEADEATtheDEAD Member Posts: 207

    i agree with the poster above me. i hope that its a great game to, im worried about it, but i still have my hopes.

     

    mmo's have fallen so far in my eyes compared to what got me to fall in love with them in the first place.  yeah the graphics have improved 100 fold, but to me the soul of mmo's have died. 

     

    its easy to be negative about every single game that comes out, but when games are being developed that are striving to fill the void of what a lot of us players are missing these days, hope is needed.

     

    im praying that, if not MO, that some company is going to produce an mmo that will revitalize this genre. like so many others have failed to do

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,725

     

    Originally posted by Nasir64


     
    Hmm it may be underdeveloped as far as polish, but the core is still there. What are you looking for it you feel MO isn't what you want. And saying the UI is ugly or the animations are stiff is fluff and polish... we are talking game breaking mechanics.
    Currently in MO I can help a guild build a village and store my horses there with merchants. I can craft all equipment needed to survive in battle.. bows, armor , ect... and various types. I can harvest and extract a vast number of resources to create regeants for magic. I can create unlimited variations of character types, classes. I can kill anyone I want and take what they have.. I can tame beasts to fight with me or tame a horse and ride it or use it for mounted combat.... ECT ECT..
     
    What do you want out of this game? Please explain

      I'd say.. at a MINIMUM... it should have the features it lists on it's features page. If not, then it shouldn't be listed. They have a seperate section for "More To Come". these features are listed as being IN the game right now.

     

    Here is what is missing from the FEATURES listed on the website:

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    Is your goal to face a legendary monster? Well, that is usually suicide – if you can find one. But if your guild would actually manage to kill one, it’s dead. Gone. Rare monsters and quests do not resurrect or come again, whether it’s an ancient beast, a crumbling temple, an island rising out of the sea or a great ritual that fails or succeeds.

    As far as I know there are NO quests in the game yet and there are no legendary mobs. As a matter of fact there is almost zero PvE except for some wildlife that shows incredible AI by running away when someone approaches (or 50% of the time standing there unmoving while being attacked)

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    You might get away with an item never seen before, or the unique scar that tells about the experience. There are not many of these opportunities but they are usually important enough to affect the whole world and its history. All you have to do is be at the right place at the right time.



    Unique scar? Really? Your characters appearance will permanently change after this encounter? Hmm... nope.. don't think that's in yet. Epic encounters that change the world? Hmm.... think those are missing too...

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    form a guild with others that desire a keep and eventually a fortress.

     

     

     Are player built keeps in game? Are Fortresses? Anything other than houses?

     

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     Choose to believe in one of the Gods and watch its power grow. Fight heretics and burn their temples to rob their Gods of power. Or start a new cult: with enough believers your God might be powerful enough to enter the Pantheon.

     Hmmm.. if this stuff is in game let me know.....  Anyone fight any heritics?  Burn any temples? Start a cult?   Sounds great!

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    Explore the world to discover new places and name them. Venture into ancient caves and temples to find the buried history of the world, including its forgotten knowledge, spells and items.

    So anyone find and name a new area yet? Anyone discover hidden spells or items in an ancient cave or temple?  Yes I know people have found empty caves by wandering around.... but that's all they are.. empty.

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    All the above makes it sound like there is a real living, thriving PvE experience in the game.  By the very admission of the original poster, this is all missing from the game.  

     

     

    All time classic  MY NEW FAVORITE POST!  (Keep laying those bricks)

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  • Zaxx99Zaxx99 Member Posts: 1,761


    Originally posted by parrotpholk
     Heres my thoughts after playing the last few hours. 
    Love the environment and world that I have got to see. I had very little fps issues and I do not have close to a super computer. People in the game are helpful and there are thieves abound. Mobs are very inconsistent in the way they act. I love when they run when you get close to them but when it bugs they just stand there and take a axe in the head and dont even move. So that needs work for sure. Tab targeting sometimes works and sometime dont so its unreliable. Thankfully you dont have to target to hit something. I can honestly say there is much good and bad with MO right now. 
    If you are looking for a polished and complete game dont even bother for at least 4 or 5 months.  The fraud claims and all that are bullshit though and need to just stop. I can see myself parked in Nave for a very very long time based on todays events. I cancelled all other MMOs (2) and want to concentrate my time on helping to make MO a great world for players to play in.  I can fully understand the way people see the game in a negative light though. It sorta reminds me of EVE at launch which was a lot of emptiness and lack of any direction but for me figuring it out is half the fun.

    Awesome, glad you see "hope" with todays events parrot. And I am glad you got to see enough to give you such hope. I am still patching my client to get in today. If there are substantial changes, they will be added to my collection of youtube videos for sure.

    That's just it as Zakaron stated earlier. This game is probably our last hope for a loooong time to get a true "old school UO" style game with decent graphics in a 3D world. So while the game is far from perfect now, there is a good reason to cross your fingers and hope that Star Vault gets it right... AND gets enough subscribers to keep it alive. Having hope is always better then bashing a project like this one for every single fault you can point your finger at. THAT is the real reasons for my OP in this thread. To perhaps give someone else "hope" that might be in similar shoes who misses the old school UO style game play in mmos.

    - Zaxx

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  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    Yup this one is a #8 - #10 on the Defense scale, with a slight dash of #3.

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • Zaxx99Zaxx99 Member Posts: 1,761


    Originally posted by Briansho
    Yup this one is a #8 - #10 on the Defense scale, with a slight dash of #3.

    Ummm, n/m heh.


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  • NasirJNasirJ Member UncommonPosts: 164
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS

    Wow, I guess I see what happens when the final stress test shows that the game still isn't ready -- we get a manifesto from one of the fans? Wow.



    I never thought I'd read a thread where the OP is telling others, "Time to believe". It sounds very religious, and I think that boils down the argument of what most fans of MO seem to be -- religious about it.



    The rest of us, some of whom dislike SV for their business practices,


    So you admit you dislike SV making a lot of your comments here biased as hell and pretty much irrelevant.  

                         



    Take the comment about increasing the skill cap from 800 to 1000. Here we are, multiple stress tests INTO the game, possibly days away from launch, and they upped the skillcap 20%. 


    The skill cap increase was from what I understand due to the new books being implemented and even before the increase the skillpoints was set at 800/1000 so as a player I knew it was only in time they would turn this on. So basically you are calling a PLANNED STEP a bad thing to do? Do you run this company or something?

     This is simply *unheard of* in most games,

    Hmm that is interesting considering there are expansions everyday that add new skills , attribute points and levels which changed the core in plenty of other MMOs.

    and now you're throwing arbitrary values out there in order to strike a balance for the things you have not planned. Ah trying to balance a game is bad practice as well? I mean world of warcraft one of the most successful mmo games of all time balance there game occasionally even after 6 years? 

     Another great point made is the lack of lag (which is untrue, but I digress), and then comparing MO to MAG, a PS3 game. "Give credit where credit is due!". I'm sorry, but you don't get credit for actually making your game work, especially if it's a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER GAME.   Apparently you was never around for any other stress test releases. Hell EVE Onlines last patch was littered with bad code that caused lag in small battles.  

     The whole purpose of the game is to have you know -- a lot of players at the same time. And if you think there is no lag, I just ask you to wait until launch, where there's a significant population to hit the servers. SO, you are admitting that the population will be significant and that MO will have tons of subs? 

     Oh, and just look at the last stress test... it was a good indicator as well. Just because a node or two was empty and lag free, does not mean the server as a whole will be. In fact, if you read almost every point the OP makes -- "Well I know the game isn't close to finished...", adding in that almost every feature he covered has significant problems, flaws, or flat out doesn't work. The idea that SV is 'adding content every patch' is no surprise  So what should they be adding? You claim they have no content, YET they are adding content and you are complaining? I don't get it? 

    -- most of the things are being coded on the fly and tossed into the game, without any real testing. Do you work for them? How do you know that things are being coded on the fly? Assumptions are ironic.

      And have you watched and looked at the patch notes? It's really not that amazing of a change from day 1 of beta to now. Some were fixes of stability, some added a few new features, but nothing really game changing and nothing that amazing.  Hmm, SV added new skill books last week and upped the kill cap to 1000? Thats nothing game changing right? 

         

    It's time to believe all right. Time to believe that your money is better spent elsewhere.
    Then I suppose its time you move on, i mean you flat out say you dislike the company and state that you wasted your money and have no hopes for this game. So why do you troll these forums so negative every single day? Can you not find anything else to do with your time or dollar? I suggest you let others make decisions for themselves instead of trying to manipulate the people on these forums for your own anger and greed. No one here took your money, no one forced you to play MO.                                                              If this game is so horrible then others will be able to tell from there own personal experience right? And if this game is so terrible then why does MO have new players buying into the beta every single day? Those ones that had the chance to see first hand this "Disaster" you speak of , decided they liked what they seen and bought it. The stress test was open to everyone they had there OWN chance to experience the game without some doomsayer telling them its horrible. Some left with a Good Luck vibe and some stayed. Why don't you just wish them luck and join the rest.

     

  • HerculesSASHerculesSAS Member Posts: 1,272
    Instead of quoting you, since MMORPG's quoting system is atrocious, I'll say this... I'm here because it's a train wreck, and I want to watch. It will be entertaining, and when I'm at work and not busy, it's as good as 4chan for a few laughs.


    As for balancing, adding in a bigger skillcap, new skills, etc... it defeats the purpose of a BETA. Beta is, and I'll say it again -- FEATURE COMPLETE. It means you are testing your game 'as a whole', so you can work out all the kinks in the systems and the kinks in the combinations of systems. If you add in new systems, you aren't fixing the bugs that are caused by co-existence of those features.


    As for the launch having "tons of players" well, it will have more than any stress test to date has had.


    Again... I'm here to watch the mayhem unfold. If I can get a few yucks out of it during work, then it's fine by me. It's others here who spend day and night talking about this game, but once I'm out from work -- I don't bother with this any more, because I have other things to do. Sorry to say, you're stuck with me. And no, I don't like SV's business practices.
  • ChirugaiChirugai Member UncommonPosts: 304

    Thread locked for trolling.

    Fortune favours the bold.

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