No. What was said (by me anyway) was that when you pay to play beta then you are under no obligation to actually test.
So, if people do find an exploit then because they paid to play they will simply not report it. They may even use it, and again, because they paid to be there they feel they hae a perfect right to do so. They are not there to better the game for themselves or other users (since they have already paid for it in some cases {pre-order}) but are there to get their monies worth. This is why pay to play betas are a bad idea. Beta Testing is a 'job' even if you volunteer and do it for free. Your obligation is to report bugs and exploits. But when you pay - you become a customer the obliation becomes theirs.
Oh and no pay to play beta? You get your money back?
See that's actually some flawed logic. Firstly, people are mistaken if they thought they were paying for beta. Beta was always offered as a bonus for whatever else you were paying for. The cost would not have changed if beta access wasn't included, it had no monetary value.
Also, even if that case were true, that doesn't give them the right to use an exploit. What happens if you make use of an exploit during the live version of a game? You get banned. That's after you've paid for it.
There really is no good excuse to take advantage of an exploit.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Isn't it funny that so many fans scream and yell, "There is end game, they just haven't turned it on yet".. Really? I take it you speak from inside knowledge or experience, therefore, what is this end game you speak of? What is it? And why have NO devs from Cryptic come forward to settle the debate.. And I don't want to hear some lame response from the devs saying, "we are adding stuff each time we patch"..
I want DETAILS.. not vague political responses that can be construed so many ways.. give us DETAILS of this end game..
OH.. and as the reporting bugs in open beta.. Did anyone sign a NDA or any agreement that requires them to report bugs? If not, then it's pretty much just play to play, who cares about the bugs..
OH.. and as the reporting bugs in open beta.. Did anyone sign a NDA or any agreement that requires them to report bugs? If not, then it's pretty much just play to play, who cares about the bugs..
Yes, if you had of actually read the EULA you agreed to when you first entered the beta client there was a part in there about reporting bugs. Anyone who participated in OB had to agree to that page to continue.
So in a couple months or less I'm max 45th level Admiral with nothing to do.. lovely.. Ooops.. wait.. I'm suppose to have multiple slots (3 of them).. OK.. 6 months and 3 toons maxed, then what?
Um... just out of curiosity, how many hours a day do you play on average...?
100 hours per 2 months is less than 2 hours a day (1 hour 40 minutes give or take a few minutes depending on which two months). Probably about average for people playing a new MMO title. The "hardcore" crowd will have their first toon maxed in less than a week. That's not a problem in itself, but Cryptic should probably look into adding more time-sinks for max level players if it only takes 100 hours to get through all the non-repeatable content in the game. Just an observation. I have no interest in STO, just stumbled into this thread at random and saw a basic math question. ;p
You were IN closed beta, and you don't seem to be offering up anything about what this end-game content is like. If all you can do is say "it's there, it's there!" and not actually back that up, then that's just not very believable.
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
So in a couple months or less I'm max 45th level Admiral with nothing to do.. lovely.. Ooops.. wait.. I'm suppose to have multiple slots (3 of them).. OK.. 6 months and 3 toons maxed, then what?
The TTH article that had the community up in arms about the skill cap also happens to have the info you seek on the "endgame". Currently, it involves fleet (group) action against the Borg Queen. It is highly unlikely that anyone outside of CB has been able to test this part of the game, hence the lack of knowledge of it. Also, through my short time in the OB, I have come across lots of Undine story elements that lead me to believe they will play a part in future "endgame" (my speculation of course).
@OP: Not to flame too much or insult you, but posting on a 3rd party site forum looking for this info was probably not the best option. A small amount of Google-fu would have turned up the info in pretty short order. Going there would have prevented 6+ pages of people arguing over pay-to-play betas and getting off-topic.
Hope this helps somewhat.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
Like I thought, you have nothing.
You ever notice how many times you say the words "I thought" and "nothing" in the same sentence? Funny coincidence
Check out the post WhiteLantern made, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
The best way to find out what the endgame content is? Play through the game. You don't just watch the final episode of the season, you watch all the episodes. This way, you're actually a part of the journey rather than reading it in little white letters on some webpage and assuming you know what it's all about without having experienced it yourself.
Honestly, too many people make comments on this game about things they've never bothered trying to experience.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
Like I thought, you have nothing.
You ever notice how many times you say the words "I thought" and "nothing" in the same sentence? Funny coincidence
Check out the post WhiteLantern made, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
The best way to find out what the endgame content is? Play through the game. You don't just watch the final episode of the season, you watch all the episodes. This way, you're actually a part of the journey rather than reading it in little white letters on some webpage and assuming you know what it's all about without having experienced it yourself.
Honestly, too many people make comments on this game about things they've never bothered trying to experience.
You make one thing clear. End-game content has not been tested in any remotely good way. You clearly having played it and are just BSing about it. I KNOW this because you love to go on and on about game features you do know about, and here you do not.
A bunch of badly balanced and barely tested "end-game" content that probably looks just like leveling content isn't reall end-game content at all.
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
Like I thought, you have nothing.
You ever notice how many times you say the words "I thought" and "nothing" in the same sentence? Funny coincidence
Check out the post WhiteLantern made, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
The best way to find out what the endgame content is? Play through the game. You don't just watch the final episode of the season, you watch all the episodes. This way, you're actually a part of the journey rather than reading it in little white letters on some webpage and assuming you know what it's all about without having experienced it yourself.
Honestly, too many people make comments on this game about things they've never bothered trying to experience.
You make one thing clear. End-game content has not been tested in any remotely good way. You clearly having played it and are just BSing about it. I KNOW this because you love to go on and on about game features you do know about, and here you do not.
A bunch of badly balanced and barely tested "end-game" content that probably looks just like leveling content isn't reall end-game content at all.
I love part where you try to claim I'm talking about something I supposedly don't know about, and then you go on to describe the end-game content that you've actually admitted you don't know about.
Hypocrisy much?
Tell me, how do you claim to know how much the end-game content was tested? I'd love to know your source since you were asking about it not a few posts a go.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
Like I thought, you have nothing.
You ever notice how many times you say the words "I thought" and "nothing" in the same sentence? Funny coincidence
Check out the post WhiteLantern made, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
The best way to find out what the endgame content is? Play through the game. You don't just watch the final episode of the season, you watch all the episodes. This way, you're actually a part of the journey rather than reading it in little white letters on some webpage and assuming you know what it's all about without having experienced it yourself.
Honestly, too many people make comments on this game about things they've never bothered trying to experience.
You make one thing clear. End-game content has not been tested in any remotely good way. You clearly having played it and are just BSing about it. I KNOW this because you love to go on and on about game features you do know about, and here you do not.
A bunch of badly balanced and barely tested "end-game" content that probably looks just like leveling content isn't reall end-game content at all.
I love part where you try to claim I'm talking about something I supposedly don't know about, and then you go on to describe the end-game content that you've actually admitted you don't know about.
You don't know anything about it. That's clear. If you did you could easily prove me wrong by talking about it. Instead you are playing word games.
And I know it wasn't tested much because one of the most rabid CB testers knows nothing about it nor do the other CB players I know and no one in OB knows anything about it either. If it wasn't tested by CB or OB people, then it just wasn't tested much at all.
You don't know anything about it. That's clear. If you did you could easily prove me wrong by talking about it. Instead you are playing word games.
And I know it wasn't tested much because one of the most rabid CB testers knows nothing about it nor do the other CB players I know and no one in OB knows anything about it either. If it wasn't tested by CB or OB people, then it just wasn't tested much at all.
I find it amusing how you still continue with your hypocritic attacks. Once again, go read WhiteLantern's post, he seems like a pretty smart guy.
Also I might suggest that you're getting your "info" from people who seem to have the same agenda (and level of knowledge about the game) as you do.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
100 hours? Dam Ill most likely be even slower. Well this is great Ill get my moneys worth from this game.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
So in a couple months or less I'm max 45th level Admiral with nothing to do.. lovely.. Ooops.. wait.. I'm suppose to have multiple slots (3 of them).. OK.. 6 months and 3 toons maxed, then what?
Time to stop using exploits to level and step away from the Pc and work your real social life?
You were IN closed beta, and you don't seem to be offering up anything about what this end-game content is like. If all you can do is say "it's there, it's there!" and not actually back that up, then that's just not very believable.
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
You were IN closed beta, and you don't seem to be offering up anything about what this end-game content is like. If all you can do is say "it's there, it's there!" and not actually back that up, then that's just not very believable.
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
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See that's actually some flawed logic. Firstly, people are mistaken if they thought they were paying for beta. Beta was always offered as a bonus for whatever else you were paying for. The cost would not have changed if beta access wasn't included, it had no monetary value.
Also, even if that case were true, that doesn't give them the right to use an exploit. What happens if you make use of an exploit during the live version of a game? You get banned. That's after you've paid for it.
There really is no good excuse to take advantage of an exploit.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Isn't it funny that so many fans scream and yell, "There is end game, they just haven't turned it on yet".. Really? I take it you speak from inside knowledge or experience, therefore, what is this end game you speak of? What is it? And why have NO devs from Cryptic come forward to settle the debate.. And I don't want to hear some lame response from the devs saying, "we are adding stuff each time we patch"..
I want DETAILS.. not vague political responses that can be construed so many ways.. give us DETAILS of this end game..
OH.. and as the reporting bugs in open beta.. Did anyone sign a NDA or any agreement that requires them to report bugs? If not, then it's pretty much just play to play, who cares about the bugs..
Yes, if you had of actually read the EULA you agreed to when you first entered the beta client there was a part in there about reporting bugs. Anyone who participated in OB had to agree to that page to continue.
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You will probably have to pay extra for any end-gmae content just like in Champions.
Box+ $15 a month + microtransactions is just not enough for Atari/cryptic and their cheap game that took only 2 years to make.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Um... just out of curiosity, how many hours a day do you play on average...?
100 hours per 2 months is less than 2 hours a day (1 hour 40 minutes give or take a few minutes depending on which two months). Probably about average for people playing a new MMO title. The "hardcore" crowd will have their first toon maxed in less than a week. That's not a problem in itself, but Cryptic should probably look into adding more time-sinks for max level players if it only takes 100 hours to get through all the non-repeatable content in the game. Just an observation. I have no interest in STO, just stumbled into this thread at random and saw a basic math question. ;p
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
Like I thought, you have nothing.
The TTH article that had the community up in arms about the skill cap also happens to have the info you seek on the "endgame". Currently, it involves fleet (group) action against the Borg Queen. It is highly unlikely that anyone outside of CB has been able to test this part of the game, hence the lack of knowledge of it. Also, through my short time in the OB, I have come across lots of Undine story elements that lead me to believe they will play a part in future "endgame" (my speculation of course).
@OP: Not to flame too much or insult you, but posting on a 3rd party site forum looking for this info was probably not the best option. A small amount of Google-fu would have turned up the info in pretty short order. Going there would have prevented 6+ pages of people arguing over pay-to-play betas and getting off-topic.
Hope this helps somewhat.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Like I thought, you have nothing.
You ever notice how many times you say the words "I thought" and "nothing" in the same sentence? Funny coincidence
Check out the post WhiteLantern made, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
The best way to find out what the endgame content is? Play through the game. You don't just watch the final episode of the season, you watch all the episodes. This way, you're actually a part of the journey rather than reading it in little white letters on some webpage and assuming you know what it's all about without having experienced it yourself.
Honestly, too many people make comments on this game about things they've never bothered trying to experience.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Like I thought, you have nothing.
You ever notice how many times you say the words "I thought" and "nothing" in the same sentence? Funny coincidence
Check out the post WhiteLantern made, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
The best way to find out what the endgame content is? Play through the game. You don't just watch the final episode of the season, you watch all the episodes. This way, you're actually a part of the journey rather than reading it in little white letters on some webpage and assuming you know what it's all about without having experienced it yourself.
Honestly, too many people make comments on this game about things they've never bothered trying to experience.
You make one thing clear. End-game content has not been tested in any remotely good way. You clearly having played it and are just BSing about it. I KNOW this because you love to go on and on about game features you do know about, and here you do not.
A bunch of badly balanced and barely tested "end-game" content that probably looks just like leveling content isn't reall end-game content at all.
Like I thought, you have nothing.
You ever notice how many times you say the words "I thought" and "nothing" in the same sentence? Funny coincidence
Check out the post WhiteLantern made, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
The best way to find out what the endgame content is? Play through the game. You don't just watch the final episode of the season, you watch all the episodes. This way, you're actually a part of the journey rather than reading it in little white letters on some webpage and assuming you know what it's all about without having experienced it yourself.
Honestly, too many people make comments on this game about things they've never bothered trying to experience.
You make one thing clear. End-game content has not been tested in any remotely good way. You clearly having played it and are just BSing about it. I KNOW this because you love to go on and on about game features you do know about, and here you do not.
A bunch of badly balanced and barely tested "end-game" content that probably looks just like leveling content isn't reall end-game content at all.
I love part where you try to claim I'm talking about something I supposedly don't know about, and then you go on to describe the end-game content that you've actually admitted you don't know about.
Hypocrisy much?
Tell me, how do you claim to know how much the end-game content was tested? I'd love to know your source since you were asking about it not a few posts a go.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Like I thought, you have nothing.
You ever notice how many times you say the words "I thought" and "nothing" in the same sentence? Funny coincidence
Check out the post WhiteLantern made, he sounds like a pretty smart guy.
The best way to find out what the endgame content is? Play through the game. You don't just watch the final episode of the season, you watch all the episodes. This way, you're actually a part of the journey rather than reading it in little white letters on some webpage and assuming you know what it's all about without having experienced it yourself.
Honestly, too many people make comments on this game about things they've never bothered trying to experience.
You make one thing clear. End-game content has not been tested in any remotely good way. You clearly having played it and are just BSing about it. I KNOW this because you love to go on and on about game features you do know about, and here you do not.
A bunch of badly balanced and barely tested "end-game" content that probably looks just like leveling content isn't reall end-game content at all.
I love part where you try to claim I'm talking about something I supposedly don't know about, and then you go on to describe the end-game content that you've actually admitted you don't know about.
You don't know anything about it. That's clear. If you did you could easily prove me wrong by talking about it. Instead you are playing word games.
And I know it wasn't tested much because one of the most rabid CB testers knows nothing about it nor do the other CB players I know and no one in OB knows anything about it either. If it wasn't tested by CB or OB people, then it just wasn't tested much at all.
I find it amusing how you still continue with your hypocritic attacks. Once again, go read WhiteLantern's post, he seems like a pretty smart guy.
Also I might suggest that you're getting your "info" from people who seem to have the same agenda (and level of knowledge about the game) as you do.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
100 hours? Dam Ill most likely be even slower. Well this is great Ill get my moneys worth from this game.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Time to stop using exploits to level and step away from the Pc and work your real social life?
What is this "end-game" content your all talking about? Didnt you play the beta? There IS no end-game content. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. It isnt there.
Just like the Klingon content btw.
... and most other stuff in this "game"...
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
Bump for great justice. Check this : http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=101908
Got anything to say Blurr ?
And ruin the surprise for all the people who haven't gotten there yet? Shame on you!
Bump for great justice. Check this : http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=101908
Got anything to say Blurr ?
80 hours of play in about 4 days... sounds about right.
I really hope they have a proper end game ready to 'turn on'?
But i think we all know 'the chances of anything coming from Mars' are higher?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.