How about I just recount my last skirmish in DF, and you can decide if your thoughts on the game are accurate instead of hiding behind crap like free trial spamming in defense.
My friend and I, who are medium to high skilled with medium armor, were on our way to capture a village control point that was becoming vulnerable. We went around the back way to sneak up on the village just in case someone was there. We heard a number of hammers sieging the village control point so we snuck up slowly. There were 3 of them and they outgeared us. My friend began the fight using a spell that makes the screen white for those hit by it(like a flash bang in FPS), and I pulled out my bow. One of them pulled out his staff and we focus fired him. I had mage killer spec and my friend was using air magic. We dropped him quickly and the other two began to attack me. I pulled out my sword and shield and began to parry while my friend pulled out his polearm and attacked them from behind. They got disoriented trying to break me from parry mode (there is a skill), and one started attacking my friend. The other knocked me out of parry so I pulled out my bow and started attacking the other. The other dropped, and my friend sent a couple heals my way, and bolts of magic his while we finished off the last one.
They had nicer gear than us, more regs than us, and were likely higher skilled yet the two of us killed the 3 of them, finished off the village cap giving us around 3kgp, took their 3 mounts, took all their gear, and rode off with our hearts beating like mad.
You can dumb down a system all you want with words. You can say a game like WAR or EQ is simple tab and 1-0 keys, but that isn't right is it? It can't be explained until you experience it, and people who make up their minds before a conversation are no use conversing with.
In regards to the free trial issue...all of that crap about maintaining the integrity of the game is total BS. I don't buy any game without a demo, whether it be single player or online. It's just not smart. I don't have a lot of money to throw around for games I don't enjoy playing. Without a demo you are basically buying a game based solely on hype and advertising. DarkFall may be awesome, but until there is a free trial I won't be trying it.
Why I do feel for you, and felt the same way, I gave in and didnt regret it, cant say the same for everyone, but most of the people get their money worth.
Maybe in the future when the devs have more income, they can have a free trial server.
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I thought I was clear when I said, 'You have already made up your mind.' This is the clearest thing about your post so would I waste my time discussing the matter with you.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
You can power attack, whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, jump and of coarse click, click, click. To close range you may want to have sword and board to block since it is better than weapon parry. You've got your double jump or sidestep. A little distance you may want to heal up, replenish mana or stamina and shoot with bow. It is very involving unlike many other games that I have played.
THANK YOU for answering my question and proving me wrong, that's all I wanted. Whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, all are things I wanted to hear.
Thanks for not dismissing me as a troll because you didn't know how to answer my very simple question.
I thought I was clear when I said, 'You have already made up your mind.' This is the clearest thing about your post so would I waste my time discussing the matter with you.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
They were going for real-time combat, that's why you click to swing your weapon. It sounds like you want turn based combat, Darkfall dosen't have that.
When someone argues that it's not just click, click, click. They're referring to tactics in regard to swinging your weapon while defending yourself at the same time. As in there's more to it than just clicking for the sake of clicking. We can all click, well those of us with fingers, however without learning what goes into a fight and what tactics win that fight. Of course you're going to think you're just clicking.
What you want isn't available in darkfall as it's not a turn-based game. Now before getting all hot and bothered about that, realize you're question was answered, you just didn't like the answer.
In short your mind is already made up, if you believe a fight is nothing but click, click, click, (as opposed to press, press, press, LOL). There's nothing that's going to change your perspective because you fail to understand the difference between random tactics and random clicking.
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Darkfall is a game I've always wanted to try, but when I hear about the constant high level(skill) griefing and the "click click click click click" melee combat with zero skills associated with it(tell me if I'm wrong), and that archery and magic will almost always beat out melee, I just have no interest.
Lol archery and magic dont beat melee, whoever told you that is either 1. stupid and cant play 2. dont know how to melee 3. retarded.
Mount owns magic, When a melee gets into close range they own mages and archers,
The melee combat has gotten better, it is not realistic, but it is not click click click like the people who never played dfo before trolled you with, melee takes skill in timing predicting and evading and blocking and jumping and side stepping and double jumping and hitting the back, doesnt sound like click click to me.
Btw I proved you wrong, the people who told you that trolled you, welcome to the mmorpg.com forums for DFO.
So melee combat is moving your character and left clicking?
How's that different from click click click click click?
All the videos that people link of fun raids just show people swinging their melee weapons by clicking until the enemy is dead. How is that different from what I've stated?
You have to aim, you aim for the backs, you have to predict where he will move, Name me a game that isnt click click click the way you making it out to believe and I will think you are smarter then a 3rd grader.
You have special skills as well, like power shot, whirlwind, knockback* great when on a hill to give them extra damage, you have disabling blow when they are parrying, you also have mount combat, switching side to side, kick with the back of your horse, then you got the crouching/jumping doublejump/sidestepping in the mix,THIS IS A MMORPG WITH FPS COMBAT.
If that does not explain why it is not just click click click, then you are hopeless.
That's what I was asking about, next time instead of dismissing me as a troll, just answer the simple question.
I thought I was clear when I said, 'You have already made up your mind.' This is the clearest thing about your post so would I waste my time discussing the matter with you.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
You can power attack, whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, jump and of coarse click, click, click. To close range you may want to have sword and board to block since it is better than weapon parry. You've got your double jump or sidestep. A little distance you may want to heal up, replenish mana or stamina and shoot with bow. It is very involving unlike many other games that I have played.
THANK YOU for answering my question and proving me wrong, that's all I wanted. Whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, all are things I wanted to hear.
Thanks for not dismissing me as a troll because you didn't know how to answer my very simple question.
I am grumpy atm, I didnt get my archery buff this patch and I am pissed, But ya it is hard to tell who is a troll and who is not, sorry for that.
More and more people seem to be giving DFO a chance and decide they like the game quite a bit. This is good news, glad to see growth for one of the few games that caters to this market and perhaps one day I'll take a stab at it.
You play EvE right? If there was no Darkfall I would definitely give EvE a shot as they seem so similar in many ways, but mainly with the politics.
Ugh lol! I can see anarchy and chaos on the streets of Darkfall soon with this influx of new players.
ANARCHY I TELLZ YA!
Seriously though, I hope to see you all soon...at the end OF MY BLADE! NOW DIE SCUM!
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I thought I was clear when I said, 'You have already made up your mind.' This is the clearest thing about your post so would I waste my time discussing the matter with you.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
They were going for real-time combat, that's why you click to swing your weapon. It sounds like you want turn based combat, Darkfall dosen't have that.
When someone argues that it's not just click, click, click. They're referring to tactics in regard to swinging your weapon while defending yourself at the same time. As in there's more to it than just clicking for the sake of clicking. We can all click, well those of us with fingers, however without learning what goes into a fight and what tactics win that fight. Of course you're going to think you're just clicking.
What you want isn't available in darkfall as it's not a turn-based game. Now before getting all hot and bothered about that, realize you're question was answered, you just didn't like the answer.
In short your mind is already made up, if you believe a fight is nothing but click, click, click, (as opposed to press, press, press, LOL). There's nothing that's going to change your perspective because you fail to understand the difference between random tactics and random clicking.
I never said I was looking for a turn based game.
My statement is as simple as this, try to follow, cause its not hard: combat boiled down to just swinging your melee weapon, no skills associated with it whatsoever(CHARACTER SKILLS NOT PLAYER SKILLS) which is very shallow and is too much like Oblivion.
What I wanted to know, is if that was TRUE. I have FINALLY been told it is not, and that you do indeed get skills associated with melee combat.
Goodness Darkfall fans are so blind to defend this game that they don't even understand what you type, maybe next time don't be so quick to judge someone who is legitimately asking about the game because there might be a negative comment in it. Thank you fans who read what I was asking and answered my question.
I thought I was clear when I said, 'You have already made up your mind.' This is the clearest thing about your post so would I waste my time discussing the matter with you.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
You can power attack, whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, jump and of coarse click, click, click. To close range you may want to have sword and board to block since it is better than weapon parry. You've got your double jump or sidestep. A little distance you may want to heal up, replenish mana or stamina and shoot with bow. It is very involving unlike many other games that I have played.
THANK YOU for answering my question and proving me wrong, that's all I wanted. Whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, all are things I wanted to hear.
Thanks for not dismissing me as a troll because you didn't know how to answer my very simple question.
No problem. Hope to eventually see you in game. If you have any questions PM me.
I thought I was clear when I said, 'You have already made up your mind.' This is the clearest thing about your post so would I waste my time discussing the matter with you.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
You can power attack, whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, jump and of coarse click, click, click. To close range you may want to have sword and board to block since it is better than weapon parry. You've got your double jump or sidestep. A little distance you may want to heal up, replenish mana or stamina and shoot with bow. It is very involving unlike many other games that I have played.
THANK YOU for answering my question and proving me wrong, that's all I wanted. Whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, all are things I wanted to hear.
Thanks for not dismissing me as a troll because you didn't know how to answer my very simple question.
I am grumpy atm, I didnt get my archery buff this patch and I am pissed, But ya it is hard to tell who is a troll and who is not, sorry for that.
Apology 100% accepted and I completely understand, there ARE a ton of trolls on the DF boards. I hope you get your archery buff sometime soon.
I'm still on the fence myself. Is there much in the way of random PvP or is it literally a clan-on-clan thing? I've been scouring the net reading forums, watching videos etc... I still can't make up my mind...
A lot of random pvp. This is usually at some kind of a PvE hotspot.
I never said I was looking for a turn based game. My statement is as simple as this, try to follow, cause its not hard: combat boiled down to just swinging your melee weapon, no skills associated with it whatsoever(CHARACTER SKILLS NOT PLAYER SKILLS) which is very shallow and is too much like Oblivion. What I wanted to know, is if that was TRUE. I have FINALLY been told it is not, and that you do indeed get skills associated with melee combat.
Goodness Darkfall fans are so blind to defend this game that they don't even understand what you type, maybe next time don't be so quick to judge someone who is legitimately asking about the game because there might be a negative comment in it. Thank you fans who read what I was asking and answered my question.
Next time just ask your question without bringing up all of the BS that people troll about all the time on these forums. Your question was loaded with unnecessary fillers that can easily rile people up.
Just ask the question, lol.
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In regards to the free trial issue...all of that crap about maintaining the integrity of the game is total BS. I don't buy any game without a demo, whether it be single player or online. It's just not smart. I don't have a lot of money to throw around for games I don't enjoy playing. Without a demo you are basically buying a game based solely on hype and advertising. DarkFall may be awesome, but until there is a free trial I won't be trying it.
I understand you'd like a free trial to test out the game to see if its worth the money. I really do. But I'm not sure you're fully aware of what a free trial could potentially do to harm the game. Again, read the DFO forums for more info on some really compelling arguments.
And just as another example, EverQuest didn't have a free trial and is widely considered to be one of the most successful MMO's of all time. WoW is highest in subscriptions, but total players does not directly equate to "success" in my opinion. If you don't want to pay the money and risk it, that's ok. But respect the fact that they don't and just move on.
If DarkFall people are so scared us people trying it out would mess up their game then the developers should set up a separate trial area or trial server or something. All I am saying is that games are too expensive to buy before you try, period. People keep jumping on these forums singing the praises of DarkFall, which is fine, I'm glad you like it. However, don't get upset if I don't accept these praises as fact and run out and drop cash on the game without trying it myself. Everyone has different tastes in games.
There are plenty of other games to play, so I won't be crying over not playing DarkFall anyway. I was simply stating that my stance is this..if they had a demo I would probably try it, they don't so I won't.
In regards to the free trial issue...all of that crap about maintaining the integrity of the game is total BS. I don't buy any game without a demo, whether it be single player or online. It's just not smart. I don't have a lot of money to throw around for games I don't enjoy playing. Without a demo you are basically buying a game based solely on hype and advertising. DarkFall may be awesome, but until there is a free trial I won't be trying it.
I understand you'd like a free trial to test out the game to see if its worth the money. I really do. But I'm not sure you're fully aware of what a free trial could potentially do to harm the game. Again, read the DFO forums for more info on some really compelling arguments.
And just as another example, EverQuest didn't have a free trial and is widely considered to be one of the most successful MMO's of all time. WoW is highest in subscriptions, but total players does not directly equate to "success" in my opinion. If you don't want to pay the money and risk it, that's ok. But respect the fact that they don't and just move on.
If DarkFall people are so scared us people trying it out would mess up their game then the developers should set up a separate trial area or trial server or something. All I am saying is that games are too expensive to buy before you try, period. People keep jumping on these forums singing the praises of DarkFall, which is fine, I'm glad you like it. However, don't get upset if I don't accept these praises as fact and run out and drop cash on the game without trying it myself. Everyone has different tastes in games.
There are plenty of other games to play, so I won't be crying over not playing DarkFall anyway. I was simply stating that my stance is this..if they had a demo I would probably try it, they don't so I won't.
Moving on...
"Darkfall people" are not scared of you trying it out. "Darkfall people" are worried the economy will goto shit if a mass influx of trial accounts were ushered in. Not to mention the free harvesting alts everyone would have access to. To do it right would be a trial island. That required time and resources. I think it will be good to get to it soon but that takes away from expansion content and soon to be direct x 11 upgrade.
In regards to the free trial issue...all of that crap about maintaining the integrity of the game is total BS. I don't buy any game without a demo, whether it be single player or online. It's just not smart. I don't have a lot of money to throw around for games I don't enjoy playing. Without a demo you are basically buying a game based solely on hype and advertising. DarkFall may be awesome, but until there is a free trial I won't be trying it.
I understand you'd like a free trial to test out the game to see if its worth the money. I really do. But I'm not sure you're fully aware of what a free trial could potentially do to harm the game. Again, read the DFO forums for more info on some really compelling arguments.
And just as another example, EverQuest didn't have a free trial and is widely considered to be one of the most successful MMO's of all time. WoW is highest in subscriptions, but total players does not directly equate to "success" in my opinion. If you don't want to pay the money and risk it, that's ok. But respect the fact that they don't and just move on.
If DarkFall people are so scared us people trying it out would mess up their game then the developers should set up a separate trial area or trial server or something. All I am saying is that games are too expensive to buy before you try, period. People keep jumping on these forums singing the praises of DarkFall, which is fine, I'm glad you like it. However, don't get upset if I don't accept these praises as fact and run out and drop cash on the game without trying it myself. Everyone has different tastes in games.
There are plenty of other games to play, so I won't be crying over not playing DarkFall anyway. I was simply stating that my stance is this..if they had a demo I would probably try it, they don't so I won't.
Moving on...
I dont think anyone asked you to buy the game, people just gave you impressions and the facts.
And explaining why they dont have a trial does not mean anyone is asking you to buy it.
You asked for a trial, there's none....so either buy it or wait till they have a trial.
Originally posted by Jeezesuz "Darkfall people" are not scared of you trying it out. "Darkfall people" are worried the economy will goto shit if a mass influx of trial accounts were ushered in. Not to mention the free harvesting alts everyone would have access to. To do it right would be a trial island. That required time and resources. I think it will be good to get to it soon but that takes away from expansion content and soon to be direct x 11 upgrade.
It can (and will) also bring in more paying subscribers. I like the trial island thing though.
In regards to the free trial issue...all of that crap about maintaining the integrity of the game is total BS. I don't buy any game without a demo, whether it be single player or online. It's just not smart. I don't have a lot of money to throw around for games I don't enjoy playing. Without a demo you are basically buying a game based solely on hype and advertising. DarkFall may be awesome, but until there is a free trial I won't be trying it.
Your loss - Darkfall is probably the best MMO atm - especially if you love pvp, crafting and massive worlds to explore. Now you can buy the game based on a real players experience (and I'm hard to please)
Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.
In regards to the free trial issue...all of that crap about maintaining the integrity of the game is total BS. I don't buy any game without a demo, whether it be single player or online. It's just not smart. I don't have a lot of money to throw around for games I don't enjoy playing. Without a demo you are basically buying a game based solely on hype and advertising. DarkFall may be awesome, but until there is a free trial I won't be trying it.
I understand you'd like a free trial to test out the game to see if its worth the money. I really do. But I'm not sure you're fully aware of what a free trial could potentially do to harm the game. Again, read the DFO forums for more info on some really compelling arguments.
And just as another example, EverQuest didn't have a free trial and is widely considered to be one of the most successful MMO's of all time. WoW is highest in subscriptions, but total players does not directly equate to "success" in my opinion. If you don't want to pay the money and risk it, that's ok. But respect the fact that they don't and just move on.
If DarkFall people are so scared us people trying it out would mess up their game then the developers should set up a separate trial area or trial server or something. All I am saying is that games are too expensive to buy before you try, period. People keep jumping on these forums singing the praises of DarkFall, which is fine, I'm glad you like it. However, don't get upset if I don't accept these praises as fact and run out and drop cash on the game without trying it myself. Everyone has different tastes in games.
There are plenty of other games to play, so I won't be crying over not playing DarkFall anyway. I was simply stating that my stance is this..if they had a demo I would probably try it, they don't so I won't.
Moving on...
I dont think anyone asked you to buy the game, people just gave you impressions and the facts.
And explaining why they dont have a trial does not mean anyone is asking you to buy it.
You asked for a trial, there's none....so either buy it or wait till they have a trial.
I just gave my "impressions" of the whole "no trial" issue and I was told to move on.
True, no one ever came right out and said go buy it, but isn't singing the game's praises basically free advertising? Last time I checked the point of advertising was to encourage people to try something. I can't try it without buying it so...
It doesn't matter, I am finished posting about this. Now I remember why I don't post very often. Good day.
How about I just recount my last skirmish in DF, and you can decide if your thoughts on the game are accurate instead of hiding behind crap like free trial spamming in defense.
My friend and I, who are medium to high skilled with medium armor, were on our way to capture a village control point that was becoming vulnerable. We went around the back way to sneak up on the village just in case someone was there. We heard a number of hammers sieging the village control point so we snuck up slowly. There were 3 of them and they outgeared us. My friend began the fight using a spell that makes the screen white for those hit by it(like a flash bang in FPS), and I pulled out my bow. One of them pulled out his staff and we focus fired him. I had mage killer spec and my friend was using air magic. We dropped him quickly and the other two began to attack me. I pulled out my sword and shield and began to parry while my friend pulled out his polearm and attacked them from behind. They got disoriented trying to break me from parry mode (there is a skill), and one started attacking my friend. The other knocked me out of parry so I pulled out my bow and started attacking the other. The other dropped, and my friend sent a couple heals my way, and bolts of magic his while we finished off the last one.
They had nicer gear than us, more regs than us, and were likely higher skilled yet the two of us killed the 3 of them, finished off the village cap giving us around 3kgp, took their 3 mounts, took all their gear, and rode off with our hearts beating like mad.
You can dumb down a system all you want with words. You can say a game like WAR or EQ is simple tab and 1-0 keys, but that isn't right is it? It can't be explained until you experience it, and people who make up their minds before a conversation are no use conversing with.
^^ This is the essence of DFO.
Superior tactics and skills > Superior gear and stats
In regards to the free trial issue...all of that crap about maintaining the integrity of the game is total BS. I don't buy any game without a demo, whether it be single player or online. It's just not smart. I don't have a lot of money to throw around for games I don't enjoy playing. Without a demo you are basically buying a game based solely on hype and advertising. DarkFall may be awesome, but until there is a free trial I won't be trying it.
Your loss - Darkfall is probably the best MMO atm - especially if you love pvp, crafting and massive worlds to explore. Now you can buy the game based on a real players experience (and I'm hard to please)
DarkFall may indeed be awesome, if they release a trial at some point in the future I will be sure to check it out. I do like how they are making an effort to improve the graphics and animations after release, you don't see that very often. I do commend them on that.
Last time I checked the point of advertising was to encourage people to try something. I can't try it without buying it so...
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
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Why I do feel for you, and felt the same way, I gave in and didnt regret it, cant say the same for everyone, but most of the people get their money worth.
Maybe in the future when the devs have more income, they can have a free trial server.
More and more people seem to be giving DFO a chance and decide they like the game quite a bit.
This is good news, glad to see growth for one of the few games that caters to this market and perhaps one day I'll take a stab at it.
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If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
You can power attack, whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, jump and of coarse click, click, click. To close range you may want to have sword and board to block since it is better than weapon parry. You've got your double jump or sidestep. A little distance you may want to heal up, replenish mana or stamina and shoot with bow. It is very involving unlike many other games that I have played.
THANK YOU for answering my question and proving me wrong, that's all I wanted. Whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, all are things I wanted to hear.
Thanks for not dismissing me as a troll because you didn't know how to answer my very simple question.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
They were going for real-time combat, that's why you click to swing your weapon. It sounds like you want turn based combat, Darkfall dosen't have that.
When someone argues that it's not just click, click, click. They're referring to tactics in regard to swinging your weapon while defending yourself at the same time. As in there's more to it than just clicking for the sake of clicking. We can all click, well those of us with fingers, however without learning what goes into a fight and what tactics win that fight. Of course you're going to think you're just clicking.
What you want isn't available in darkfall as it's not a turn-based game. Now before getting all hot and bothered about that, realize you're question was answered, you just didn't like the answer.
In short your mind is already made up, if you believe a fight is nothing but click, click, click, (as opposed to press, press, press, LOL). There's nothing that's going to change your perspective because you fail to understand the difference between random tactics and random clicking.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Lol archery and magic dont beat melee, whoever told you that is either 1. stupid and cant play 2. dont know how to melee 3. retarded.
Mount owns magic, When a melee gets into close range they own mages and archers,
The melee combat has gotten better, it is not realistic, but it is not click click click like the people who never played dfo before trolled you with, melee takes skill in timing predicting and evading and blocking and jumping and side stepping and double jumping and hitting the back, doesnt sound like click click to me.
Btw I proved you wrong, the people who told you that trolled you, welcome to the mmorpg.com forums for DFO.
So melee combat is moving your character and left clicking?
How's that different from click click click click click?
All the videos that people link of fun raids just show people swinging their melee weapons by clicking until the enemy is dead. How is that different from what I've stated?
You have to aim, you aim for the backs, you have to predict where he will move, Name me a game that isnt click click click the way you making it out to believe and I will think you are smarter then a 3rd grader.
You have special skills as well, like power shot, whirlwind, knockback* great when on a hill to give them extra damage, you have disabling blow when they are parrying, you also have mount combat, switching side to side, kick with the back of your horse, then you got the crouching/jumping doublejump/sidestepping in the mix,THIS IS A MMORPG WITH FPS COMBAT.
If that does not explain why it is not just click click click, then you are hopeless.
That's what I was asking about, next time instead of dismissing me as a troll, just answer the simple question.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
You can power attack, whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, jump and of coarse click, click, click. To close range you may want to have sword and board to block since it is better than weapon parry. You've got your double jump or sidestep. A little distance you may want to heal up, replenish mana or stamina and shoot with bow. It is very involving unlike many other games that I have played.
THANK YOU for answering my question and proving me wrong, that's all I wanted. Whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, all are things I wanted to hear.
Thanks for not dismissing me as a troll because you didn't know how to answer my very simple question.
I am grumpy atm, I didnt get my archery buff this patch and I am pissed, But ya it is hard to tell who is a troll and who is not, sorry for that.
You play EvE right? If there was no Darkfall I would definitely give EvE a shot as they seem so similar in many ways, but mainly with the politics.
Ugh lol! I can see anarchy and chaos on the streets of Darkfall soon with this influx of new players.
ANARCHY I TELLZ YA!
Seriously though, I hope to see you all soon...at the end OF MY BLADE! NOW DIE SCUM!
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
They were going for real-time combat, that's why you click to swing your weapon. It sounds like you want turn based combat, Darkfall dosen't have that.
When someone argues that it's not just click, click, click. They're referring to tactics in regard to swinging your weapon while defending yourself at the same time. As in there's more to it than just clicking for the sake of clicking. We can all click, well those of us with fingers, however without learning what goes into a fight and what tactics win that fight. Of course you're going to think you're just clicking.
What you want isn't available in darkfall as it's not a turn-based game. Now before getting all hot and bothered about that, realize you're question was answered, you just didn't like the answer.
In short your mind is already made up, if you believe a fight is nothing but click, click, click, (as opposed to press, press, press, LOL). There's nothing that's going to change your perspective because you fail to understand the difference between random tactics and random clicking.
I never said I was looking for a turn based game.
My statement is as simple as this, try to follow, cause its not hard: combat boiled down to just swinging your melee weapon, no skills associated with it whatsoever(CHARACTER SKILLS NOT PLAYER SKILLS) which is very shallow and is too much like Oblivion.
What I wanted to know, is if that was TRUE. I have FINALLY been told it is not, and that you do indeed get skills associated with melee combat.
Goodness Darkfall fans are so blind to defend this game that they don't even understand what you type, maybe next time don't be so quick to judge someone who is legitimately asking about the game because there might be a negative comment in it. Thank you fans who read what I was asking and answered my question.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
You can power attack, whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, jump and of coarse click, click, click. To close range you may want to have sword and board to block since it is better than weapon parry. You've got your double jump or sidestep. A little distance you may want to heal up, replenish mana or stamina and shoot with bow. It is very involving unlike many other games that I have played.
THANK YOU for answering my question and proving me wrong, that's all I wanted. Whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, all are things I wanted to hear.
Thanks for not dismissing me as a troll because you didn't know how to answer my very simple question.
No problem. Hope to eventually see you in game. If you have any questions PM me.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't be asked to be proved wrong.
If someone can reasonably explain to me why melee combat doesn't involve just left clicking to swing your weapon and kill your target, then I'll be sure to spread the word that melee combat isn't just click click click click click.
Positioning your character is done in many MMOs, I hardly consider that work or part of the fight process that doesn't involve "click click click". Positioning is something that should come natural, and should already be understood. Telling me you have to move your character to fight and avoid attacks tells me nothing that anyone who has ever played a 3rd person game doesn't already know...or a 1st person game for that matter.
You can power attack, whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, jump and of coarse click, click, click. To close range you may want to have sword and board to block since it is better than weapon parry. You've got your double jump or sidestep. A little distance you may want to heal up, replenish mana or stamina and shoot with bow. It is very involving unlike many other games that I have played.
THANK YOU for answering my question and proving me wrong, that's all I wanted. Whirlwind, knockback, sieze weapon, overhand chop, parry, disabling blow, all are things I wanted to hear.
Thanks for not dismissing me as a troll because you didn't know how to answer my very simple question.
I am grumpy atm, I didnt get my archery buff this patch and I am pissed, But ya it is hard to tell who is a troll and who is not, sorry for that.
Apology 100% accepted and I completely understand, there ARE a ton of trolls on the DF boards. I hope you get your archery buff sometime soon.
I'm still on the fence myself. Is there much in the way of random PvP or is it literally a clan-on-clan thing?
I've been scouring the net reading forums, watching videos etc... I still can't make up my mind...
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
A lot of random pvp. This is usually at some kind of a PvE hotspot.
Next time just ask your question without bringing up all of the BS that people troll about all the time on these forums. Your question was loaded with unnecessary fillers that can easily rile people up.
Just ask the question, lol.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
If DarkFall people are so scared us people trying it out would mess up their game then the developers should set up a separate trial area or trial server or something. All I am saying is that games are too expensive to buy before you try, period. People keep jumping on these forums singing the praises of DarkFall, which is fine, I'm glad you like it. However, don't get upset if I don't accept these praises as fact and run out and drop cash on the game without trying it myself. Everyone has different tastes in games.
There are plenty of other games to play, so I won't be crying over not playing DarkFall anyway. I was simply stating that my stance is this..if they had a demo I would probably try it, they don't so I won't.
Moving on...
If DarkFall people are so scared us people trying it out would mess up their game then the developers should set up a separate trial area or trial server or something. All I am saying is that games are too expensive to buy before you try, period. People keep jumping on these forums singing the praises of DarkFall, which is fine, I'm glad you like it. However, don't get upset if I don't accept these praises as fact and run out and drop cash on the game without trying it myself. Everyone has different tastes in games.
There are plenty of other games to play, so I won't be crying over not playing DarkFall anyway. I was simply stating that my stance is this..if they had a demo I would probably try it, they don't so I won't.
Moving on...
"Darkfall people" are not scared of you trying it out. "Darkfall people" are worried the economy will goto shit if a mass influx of trial accounts were ushered in. Not to mention the free harvesting alts everyone would have access to. To do it right would be a trial island. That required time and resources. I think it will be good to get to it soon but that takes away from expansion content and soon to be direct x 11 upgrade.
If DarkFall people are so scared us people trying it out would mess up their game then the developers should set up a separate trial area or trial server or something. All I am saying is that games are too expensive to buy before you try, period. People keep jumping on these forums singing the praises of DarkFall, which is fine, I'm glad you like it. However, don't get upset if I don't accept these praises as fact and run out and drop cash on the game without trying it myself. Everyone has different tastes in games.
There are plenty of other games to play, so I won't be crying over not playing DarkFall anyway. I was simply stating that my stance is this..if they had a demo I would probably try it, they don't so I won't.
Moving on...
I dont think anyone asked you to buy the game, people just gave you impressions and the facts.
And explaining why they dont have a trial does not mean anyone is asking you to buy it.
You asked for a trial, there's none....so either buy it or wait till they have a trial.
It can (and will) also bring in more paying subscribers. I like the trial island thing though.
Darkfall doesn't need a trial, it is doing well believe it or not.
The servers can take so much load before starting to lag badly and the servers are getiing new "paying" subscribers every day.
Opening up to free trialers could mean lowering the quality of the gaming experience for paying players.
AV will give a trial when they will launch Darkfall 2.0, with brand new servers...................coming soon in 2010
Your loss - Darkfall is probably the best MMO atm - especially if you love pvp, crafting and massive worlds to explore. Now you can buy the game based on a real players experience (and I'm hard to please)
Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.
If DarkFall people are so scared us people trying it out would mess up their game then the developers should set up a separate trial area or trial server or something. All I am saying is that games are too expensive to buy before you try, period. People keep jumping on these forums singing the praises of DarkFall, which is fine, I'm glad you like it. However, don't get upset if I don't accept these praises as fact and run out and drop cash on the game without trying it myself. Everyone has different tastes in games.
There are plenty of other games to play, so I won't be crying over not playing DarkFall anyway. I was simply stating that my stance is this..if they had a demo I would probably try it, they don't so I won't.
Moving on...
I dont think anyone asked you to buy the game, people just gave you impressions and the facts.
And explaining why they dont have a trial does not mean anyone is asking you to buy it.
You asked for a trial, there's none....so either buy it or wait till they have a trial.
I just gave my "impressions" of the whole "no trial" issue and I was told to move on.
True, no one ever came right out and said go buy it, but isn't singing the game's praises basically free advertising? Last time I checked the point of advertising was to encourage people to try something. I can't try it without buying it so...
It doesn't matter, I am finished posting about this. Now I remember why I don't post very often. Good day.
^^ This is the essence of DFO.
Superior tactics and skills > Superior gear and stats
Well played, ProfRed
/Salute!
Your loss - Darkfall is probably the best MMO atm - especially if you love pvp, crafting and massive worlds to explore. Now you can buy the game based on a real players experience (and I'm hard to please)
DarkFall may indeed be awesome, if they release a trial at some point in the future I will be sure to check it out. I do like how they are making an effort to improve the graphics and animations after release, you don't see that very often. I do commend them on that.
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb