Last time I checked the point of advertising was to encourage people to try something. I can't try it without buying it so...
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
To answer your question Earth...and I respectfully disagree.
Last time I checked the point of advertising was to encourage people to try something. I can't try it without buying it so...
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
Exactly
And I have explained previously there is actually a good reason why AV do not offer free trials.
The reason is that the servers cannot host so many players, and the 2 servers currently in service are fairly full already.
Do you guys remember the long Queues at launch?
Why do you think there were long queues?
Because the servers could not host all the players who wanted to play at once.
So if you want to play the game, buy it, otherwise it is your loss.
To answer your question Earth...and I respectfully disagree.
It isn't a question of whether you agree or disagree. Cec is correct and you are wrong, that is all there is to it.
The entire point of Advertising is to sell the product being advertised. Companies don't spend millions upon millions in advertising costs just so someone who isn't even a possible consumer can have a "test drive" before purchasing. They do it so they can recoup all the revenue they spent on advertising and then turn a profit off of whatever is remaining.
This is very comical, to be entirely honest. Common sense is lacking in this one, young Skywalker.
Originally posted by BizkitNL Originally posted by Jeezesuz "Darkfall people" are not scared of you trying it out. "Darkfall people" are worried the economy will goto shit if a mass influx of trial accounts were ushered in. Not to mention the free harvesting alts everyone would have access to. To do it right would be a trial island. That required time and resources. I think it will be good to get to it soon but that takes away from expansion content and soon to be direct x 11 upgrade.
It can (and will) also bring in more paying subscribers. I like the trial island thing though.
It will bring more people, sure, but will also f@ck economy for already paying customers (NGE anyone? :P ). Are you aware that you can start gathering "end game" mats couple minutes after logging?
The only solution would be trial island with no character transfer imho (or max 25 skill cap). Otherwise you would be able to gather stuff/increase skills in safe place. Don't count on DF trial anytime soon.
Whilst i understand the opinions of what people are saying here:
- if you don't want to buy it don't, it's your loss
- free trials could ruin the integrity of the immersion -
I have been stung. Many times. Many many many damned times. I have paid a stupid price for a shoddy and unfinished piece of work more times than i care to remember. After paying over the odds to experience disappointment, i flat out CANNOT play any MMO now that doesn't either allow me to experience it in beta, or allow me to experience a trial.
Seriously. Can't do it. And i imagine i'd love this game. But i've thought that before and wasted £30 to find out i was wrong. I can't do it again!
Perhaps this helps you to understand why people want free trials. Perhaps it could encourage you not to treat those people harshly. These people have a lot to offer the community of darkfall, but they're starting to wise up to the tricks played by the lunatics in charge of this particular asylum. Unfortunately, good MMO's will be tarred with the same brush as bad MMO's, and we need proof that we will not get the garbage we've recieved in the past.
The whole issue of possibly messing up the economy with trial accounts can be fixed simply by disallowing trade from trial to regular accounts (not vice-versa) and also disallowing guild membership. Then players could play, but could not transfer any harvested goods to anyone else. They could only fight and harvest for themselves and would at least get a decent feeling for how the game works.
Ultimately there is no reason anyone should be against trial accounts if these few minor details are addressed. More players is better for the game and trials will definitely lead to more people subscribing.
Originally posted by Anubisan The whole issue of possibly messing up the economy with trial accounts can be fixed simply by disallowing trade from trial to regular accounts (not vice-versa) and also disallowing guild membership. Then players could play, but could not transfer any harvested goods to anyone else. They could only fight and harvest for themselves and would at least get a decent feeling for how the game works. Ultimately there is no reason anyone should be against trial accounts if these few minor details are addressed. More players is better for the game and trials will definitely lead to more people subscribing.
The whole issue of possibly messing up the economy with trial accounts can be fixed simply by disallowing trade from trial to regular accounts (not vice-versa) and also disallowing guild membership. Then players could play, but could not transfer any harvested goods to anyone else. They could only fight and harvest for themselves and would at least get a decent feeling for how the game works. Ultimately there is no reason anyone should be against trial accounts if these few minor details are addressed. More players is better for the game and trials will definitely lead to more people subscribing.
Lag and login queues..............are enough good reasons for you?
They are for me
DF servers cannot support trialers, and that's pretty much it
Last time I checked the point of advertising was to encourage people to try something. I can't try it without buying it so...
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
Exactly
And I have explained previously there is actually a good reason why AV do not offer free trials.
The reason is that the servers cannot host so many players, and the 2 servers currently in service are fairly full already.
Do you guys remember the long Queues at launch?
Why do you think there were long queues?
Because the servers could not host all the players who wanted to play at once.
So if you want to play the game, buy it, otherwise it is your loss.
Well, I am not sure I want to buy that game, as you have noted, no free trials due to servers unable to host players which are fairly full already. So, if purchusing the game I have to worrie about massive amounts of players online at the same time. At what point do I have to wait in long queses because X number of people decided to buy darkfall? I would think that the MMO part ment that massive amounts of poeple could play instead of a limited number of players. Leaving me to ask...at what point does the server become...overloaded for the buyer.
Well, I am not sure I want to buy that game, as you have noted, no free trials due to servers unable to host players which are fairly full already. So, if purchusing the game I have to worrie about massive amounts of players online at the same time. At what point do I have to wait in long queses because X number of people decided to buy darkfall? I would think that the MMO part ment that massive amounts of poeple could play instead of a limited number of players. Leaving me to ask...at what point does the server become...overloaded for the buyer.
AV keeps track of subscription base and when the server reach almost full load they open a new one.
They did this with EU, when it got full they opened NA.
Now they both getting full again and in the next few months they will open a new one.
Giving free trials will overload the current servers and make them unplayable, therefore defeating the point of the trials
As a subscriber you should not worry....................by not allowing the free trials, they are protecting the paying customers, so their game experience is always good.
Originally posted by seabeaster Originally posted by ste2000 Originally posted by Cecropia Originally posted by marcuslm Last time I checked the point of advertising was to encourage people to try something. I can't try it without buying it so...
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
Exactly And I have explained previously there is actually a good reason why AV do not offer free trials. The reason is that the servers cannot host so many players, and the 2 servers currently in service are fairly full already.
Do you guys remember the long Queues at launch? Why do you think there were long queues? Because the servers could not host all the players who wanted to play at once.
So if you want to play the game, buy it, otherwise it is your loss.
Well, I am not sure I want to buy that game, as you have noted, no free trials due to servers unable to host players which are fairly full already. So, if purchusing the game I have to worrie about massive amounts of players online at the same time. At what point do I have to wait in long queses because X number of people decided to buy darkfall? I would think that the MMO part ment that massive amounts of poeple could play instead of a limited number of players. Leaving me to ask...at what point does the server become...overloaded for the buyer.
Don't listen to him. Queues at launch was caused by large amount of people entering same newbie zones. Like in every launch out there. I have not experienced any queues at all playing lately.
Don't listen to him. Queues at launch was caused by large amount of people entering same newbie zones. Like in every launch out there. I have not experienced any queues at all playing lately.
You should also read properly my post before posting bullshit
Last time I checked the point of advertising was to encourage people to try something. I can't try it without buying it so...
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
Exactly
And I have explained previously there is actually a good reason why AV do not offer free trials.
The reason is that the servers cannot host so many players, and the 2 servers currently in service are fairly full already.
Do you guys remember the long Queues at launch?
Why do you think there were long queues?
Because the servers could not host all the players who wanted to play at once.
So if you want to play the game, buy it, otherwise it is your loss.
Well, I am not sure I want to buy that game, as you have noted, no free trials due to servers unable to host players which are fairly full already. So, if purchusing the game I have to worrie about massive amounts of players online at the same time. At what point do I have to wait in long queses because X number of people decided to buy darkfall? I would think that the MMO part ment that massive amounts of poeple could play instead of a limited number of players. Leaving me to ask...at what point does the server become...overloaded for the buyer.
Don't listen to him. Queues at launch was caused by large amount of people entering same newbie zones. Like in every launch out there. I have not experienced any queues at all playing lately.
If I dont listien to the player base...who am I to listen to???? which brings us back to the topic of trial periods and why not in order to be finnally sold on the game.
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Originally posted by ste2000 Originally posted by drago_pl Don't listen to him. Queues at launch was caused by large amount of people entering same newbie zones. Like in every launch out there. I have not experienced any queues at all playing lately.
You should also read properly my post before posting bullshit Because that's exactly what I was saying You should add 'at newbie zones' at end of sequence :P Servers are able to hold a lot of players, just no that many in one place.
If I dont listien to the player base...who am I to listen to???? which brings us back to the topic of trial periods and why not in order to be finnally sold on the game.
You should re-read what I wrote
There is no problem to paying customers because AV is monitoring the subscription base.
When the servers are full they will open a new one.
So you won't experience any queues or lag.
On the other hand if you let 50K+ people try the game at once that will cause huge queues and lag to everyone.
That's why they do not allow trials, they are protecting the paying customers.
Originally posted by ste2000 Originally posted by drago_pl You should add 'at newbie zones' at end of sequence :P Servers are able to hold a lot of players, just no that many in one place.
So you think I need to state the obvious. When you get 50K new trialers (and my guess would much more than that) it is obvious that they will stay in the newby areas for weeks But it won't make any difference if you name the zones, in the end we all experience queues and lag, particularly the trialers.
I can here them scream already: "WTF is the problem with the frikking queues" and "OMG the lag is unbearable. No thanks, leave it this way".
If people do not want to pay for the game, it is their loss.
You should learn from this forums that you should state the obvious or we will start seeing threads like "OMG DF sucks! It can no longer hold players! When new server???" Trolls like unfinished sentences
You should learn from this forums that you should state the obvious or we will start seeing threads like "OMG DF sucks! It can no longer hold players! When new server???" Trolls like unfinished sentences
If I dont listien to the player base...who am I to listen to???? which brings us back to the topic of trial periods and why not in order to be finnally sold on the game.
You should re-read what I wrote
There is no problem to paying customers because AV is monitoring the subscription base.
When the servers are full they will open a new one.
So you won't experience any queues or lag.
On the other hand if you let 50K+ people try the game at once that will cause huge queues and lag to everyone.
That's why they do not allow trials, they are protecting the paying customers.
Do you get the point?
Point being? that df servers are limited to long quees and lag if they have x amount of people in them and AV does not want to open another server to get more people and increase game population?
If I dont listien to the player base...who am I to listen to???? which brings us back to the topic of trial periods and why not in order to be finnally sold on the game.
You should re-read what I wrote
There is no problem to paying customers because AV is monitoring the subscription base.
When the servers are full they will open a new one.
So you won't experience any queues or lag.
On the other hand if you let 50K+ people try the game at once that will cause huge queues and lag to everyone.
That's why they do not allow trials, they are protecting the paying customers.
Do you get the point?
Point being? that df servers are limited to long quees and lag if they have x amount of people in them and AV does not want to open another server to get more people and increase game population?
Point being that if the server capacity is 50K and the server has 30K subscribers, there is still a 20K margin for new players to join without any trouble.
If you open to trialers and you get suddenly 50K + people joining you will understand that that 20K margin is not enough. (30K+50K = 80K which means 30K more people than the server can host)
And no, AV won't open new servers for trialers, but they will open new servers for paying customers if that 20K margin fills up of paying customers.
So as a paying customer you should never worry about queues and lag.
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Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
To answer your question Earth...and I respectfully disagree.
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
Exactly
And I have explained previously there is actually a good reason why AV do not offer free trials.
The reason is that the servers cannot host so many players, and the 2 servers currently in service are fairly full already.
Do you guys remember the long Queues at launch?
Why do you think there were long queues?
Because the servers could not host all the players who wanted to play at once.
So if you want to play the game, buy it, otherwise it is your loss.
It isn't a question of whether you agree or disagree. Cec is correct and you are wrong, that is all there is to it.
The entire point of Advertising is to sell the product being advertised. Companies don't spend millions upon millions in advertising costs just so someone who isn't even a possible consumer can have a "test drive" before purchasing. They do it so they can recoup all the revenue they spent on advertising and then turn a profit off of whatever is remaining.
This is very comical, to be entirely honest. Common sense is lacking in this one, young Skywalker.
It can (and will) also bring in more paying subscribers. I like the trial island thing though.
It will bring more people, sure, but will also f@ck economy for already paying customers (NGE anyone? :P ). Are you aware that you can start gathering "end game" mats couple minutes after logging?
The only solution would be trial island with no character transfer imho (or max 25 skill cap). Otherwise you would be able to gather stuff/increase skills in safe place. Don't count on DF trial anytime soon.
Whilst i understand the opinions of what people are saying here:
- if you don't want to buy it don't, it's your loss
- free trials could ruin the integrity of the immersion -
I have been stung. Many times. Many many many damned times. I have paid a stupid price for a shoddy and unfinished piece of work more times than i care to remember. After paying over the odds to experience disappointment, i flat out CANNOT play any MMO now that doesn't either allow me to experience it in beta, or allow me to experience a trial.
Seriously. Can't do it. And i imagine i'd love this game. But i've thought that before and wasted £30 to find out i was wrong. I can't do it again!
Perhaps this helps you to understand why people want free trials. Perhaps it could encourage you not to treat those people harshly. These people have a lot to offer the community of darkfall, but they're starting to wise up to the tricks played by the lunatics in charge of this particular asylum. Unfortunately, good MMO's will be tarred with the same brush as bad MMO's, and we need proof that we will not get the garbage we've recieved in the past.
please no DF trial.
The whole issue of possibly messing up the economy with trial accounts can be fixed simply by disallowing trade from trial to regular accounts (not vice-versa) and also disallowing guild membership. Then players could play, but could not transfer any harvested goods to anyone else. They could only fight and harvest for themselves and would at least get a decent feeling for how the game works.
Ultimately there is no reason anyone should be against trial accounts if these few minor details are addressed. More players is better for the game and trials will definitely lead to more people subscribing.
You most likely forgot DF is full loot game...
Lag and login queues..............are enough good reasons for you?
They are for me
DF servers cannot support trialers, and that's pretty much it
So no trials pls
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
Exactly
And I have explained previously there is actually a good reason why AV do not offer free trials.
The reason is that the servers cannot host so many players, and the 2 servers currently in service are fairly full already.
Do you guys remember the long Queues at launch?
Why do you think there were long queues?
Because the servers could not host all the players who wanted to play at once.
So if you want to play the game, buy it, otherwise it is your loss.
Well, I am not sure I want to buy that game, as you have noted, no free trials due to servers unable to host players which are fairly full already. So, if purchusing the game I have to worrie about massive amounts of players online at the same time. At what point do I have to wait in long queses because X number of people decided to buy darkfall? I would think that the MMO part ment that massive amounts of poeple could play instead of a limited number of players. Leaving me to ask...at what point does the server become...overloaded for the buyer.
AV keeps track of subscription base and when the server reach almost full load they open a new one.
They did this with EU, when it got full they opened NA.
Now they both getting full again and in the next few months they will open a new one.
Giving free trials will overload the current servers and make them unplayable, therefore defeating the point of the trials
As a subscriber you should not worry....................by not allowing the free trials, they are protecting the paying customers, so their game experience is always good.
You should appreciate that.
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
Exactly
And I have explained previously there is actually a good reason why AV do not offer free trials.
The reason is that the servers cannot host so many players, and the 2 servers currently in service are fairly full already.
Do you guys remember the long Queues at launch?
Why do you think there were long queues?
Because the servers could not host all the players who wanted to play at once.
So if you want to play the game, buy it, otherwise it is your loss.
Well, I am not sure I want to buy that game, as you have noted, no free trials due to servers unable to host players which are fairly full already. So, if purchusing the game I have to worrie about massive amounts of players online at the same time. At what point do I have to wait in long queses because X number of people decided to buy darkfall? I would think that the MMO part ment that massive amounts of poeple could play instead of a limited number of players. Leaving me to ask...at what point does the server become...overloaded for the buyer.
Don't listen to him. Queues at launch was caused by large amount of people entering same newbie zones. Like in every launch out there. I have not experienced any queues at all playing lately.
There loads of room for people, but a free trial in DF is a big nono. You may get a noob island i duno.
You should also read properly my post before posting bullshit
Because that's exactly what I was saying
Good day but what planet do you reside on? Advertising is usually used to encourage consumers to purchase something. It's a privilege to try before you buy, not a right.
Exactly
And I have explained previously there is actually a good reason why AV do not offer free trials.
The reason is that the servers cannot host so many players, and the 2 servers currently in service are fairly full already.
Do you guys remember the long Queues at launch?
Why do you think there were long queues?
Because the servers could not host all the players who wanted to play at once.
So if you want to play the game, buy it, otherwise it is your loss.
Well, I am not sure I want to buy that game, as you have noted, no free trials due to servers unable to host players which are fairly full already. So, if purchusing the game I have to worrie about massive amounts of players online at the same time. At what point do I have to wait in long queses because X number of people decided to buy darkfall? I would think that the MMO part ment that massive amounts of poeple could play instead of a limited number of players. Leaving me to ask...at what point does the server become...overloaded for the buyer.
Don't listen to him. Queues at launch was caused by large amount of people entering same newbie zones. Like in every launch out there. I have not experienced any queues at all playing lately.
If I dont listien to the player base...who am I to listen to???? which brings us back to the topic of trial periods and why not in order to be finnally sold on the game.
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You should also read properly my post before posting bullshit
Because that's exactly what I was saying
You should add 'at newbie zones' at end of sequence :P Servers are able to hold a lot of players, just no that many in one place.
You should re-read what I wrote
There is no problem to paying customers because AV is monitoring the subscription base.
When the servers are full they will open a new one.
So you won't experience any queues or lag.
On the other hand if you let 50K+ people try the game at once that will cause huge queues and lag to everyone.
That's why they do not allow trials, they are protecting the paying customers.
Do you get the point?
So you think I need to state the obvious.
When you get 50K new trialers (and my guess is that would much more than that) it is obvious that they will stay in the newby areas for weeks
But it won't make any difference if you name the zones, in the end we all experience queues and lag, particularly the trialers.
I can hear them scream already: "WTF is the problem with the frikking queues" and "OMG the lag is unbearable".
No thanks, leave it this way.
If people do not want to pay for the game, it is their loss.
So you think I need to state the obvious.
When you get 50K new trialers (and my guess would much more than that) it is obvious that they will stay in the newby areas for weeks
But it won't make any difference if you name the zones, in the end we all experience queues and lag, particularly the trialers.
I can here them scream already: "WTF is the problem with the frikking queues" and "OMG the lag is unbearable.
No thanks, leave it this way".
If people do not want to pay for the game, it is their loss.
You should learn from this forums that you should state the obvious or we will start seeing threads like "OMG DF sucks! It can no longer hold players! When new server???" Trolls like unfinished sentences
Ok, this is the only way i can see a trial working. I'm sure others have other views, but this is mine...
1. Large Trial Island that is completly seperate from Agon proper. With a fully functional and completely seperate chat.
2. Time limit and skill cap to prevent wtfpwn of the truely new people (ie real potential customers).
3. Upon completion of said trial, purchasers can take their new toon into Agon proper san all gear, loot, and gold.
This is the only way I can see a trial working in DFO without corrupting the economy, the chat, and the world.
Just my thoughts.
Sadly I just noticed that.
You should re-read what I wrote
There is no problem to paying customers because AV is monitoring the subscription base.
When the servers are full they will open a new one.
So you won't experience any queues or lag.
On the other hand if you let 50K+ people try the game at once that will cause huge queues and lag to everyone.
That's why they do not allow trials, they are protecting the paying customers.
Do you get the point?
Point being? that df servers are limited to long quees and lag if they have x amount of people in them and AV does not want to open another server to get more people and increase game population?
You should re-read what I wrote
There is no problem to paying customers because AV is monitoring the subscription base.
When the servers are full they will open a new one.
So you won't experience any queues or lag.
On the other hand if you let 50K+ people try the game at once that will cause huge queues and lag to everyone.
That's why they do not allow trials, they are protecting the paying customers.
Do you get the point?
Point being? that df servers are limited to long quees and lag if they have x amount of people in them and AV does not want to open another server to get more people and increase game population?
Point being that if the server capacity is 50K and the server has 30K subscribers, there is still a 20K margin for new players to join without any trouble.
If you open to trialers and you get suddenly 50K + people joining you will understand that that 20K margin is not enough. (30K+50K = 80K which means 30K more people than the server can host)
And no, AV won't open new servers for trialers, but they will open new servers for paying customers if that 20K margin fills up of paying customers.
So as a paying customer you should never worry about queues and lag.
It should be clear enough now, I believe.
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