As stated, its still not a good idea to re-sub yet~ They have only strated playing it smart so give them time to bust out the damage that was done by the previous dev team. They never stated the team was new, but do look up on the current names of these guys and the ones before. Remember, EA has put Bioware incharge of some of Mythics departments. That explians alot about the layoffs at Mythic, EA fired the previous screwups and replaced them then non other then Bioware. This was annoucend last year . In the time of 2-3 months i can say a re-sub is possible. Right now, let them ease out everything first. Remmber, this Dev team does not listen to players at most. They have already seen the damage done from that. Population is great at teir 1 due to endless trial. Just wait after 2-3 months down the road, i also curious to see what comes in the next patch. They said gear will be the focus next so im crossing my fingers on that.
Pure nonsense. The latest layoffs were due to the economy and the fact that Mythic isn't one of the companies on the list not to cut back on. The list of subcompanies with cutbacks was *long*, and this was in november. They already claimed to have cut off the slack and been working as they were expected with Bioware long before that.
Apart from the fact that Mythic is now under the arm/head/shoulder ... (how do you say that again? xD) of a few higherups in Bioware doesn't mean they're replacing their staff with Bioware people. On the contrary, Bioware is far too busy making their own MMO, which no doubt is currently the top priority MMO within EA. They made clear enough that Mythic was helping Bioware by adding some experienced (with mmo's) people to help them out.
You were the one who kept talking about this pod cast with the 'new' team (heck different people, whatever). I assume you have a podcast you can link to or were you just making that up?
Unless there's a podcast since the october one they *since then* lost another 40% of their crew, and as shortly ago as December made another change in Producer. So even if you attribuite some of the things happening lately to a new crew, it's not the current one because they haven't done anything yet under the latest management, and there's 40% less of them now.
That's what's worrying people. No one who has followed this game thinks it was some finetuning by Bioware, because it wasn't. They were cutbacks from callguys to developers, cutbacks that were going through nearly all of EA at the time, except for the companies who were really worth keeping people around it (more than others).
Where are you getting this stuff? Are you just making all this up? Have you even followed the latest news and announcements regarding the latest patch? One of their main teasers was about how they were introducing stuff 'people had been asking for' (the RvR weapons)
You're completely off the mark.
[Quote]Originally posted by meetxj9
They(the new team) have already dealt with teir 1 and im curious to see what they have done to the others as well. [/Quote]
They 'dealt' with T1? What does that mean? Most people felt T1 was the best tier ever since the game released. Do you mean that it's free to play now?
Until they implement cross server scenarios so they actually pop during the day and regularly at night dont bother going back. You can still play all day and not get a single scenario until late afternoon. They have "plans" to fix scenarios but until that happens I wont be going back.
Until they implement cross server scenarios so they actually pop during the day and regularly at night dont bother going back. You can still play all day and not get a single scenario until late afternoon. They have "plans" to fix scenarios but until that happens I wont be going back.
That can be a concern, and would be nice, but another thing you need to try is playing on the largest server which at this time is Badlands, if people would just join it instead of spreading out thinly, we may not have these issues. WAR has the best PvP of any game end of story, if you can put up with a few of the hitches and give it a go then you will have a blast, and those in T4 thinking there is nothing to do or that RR grind is all you can do, think, that it is what you make it. You push hardcore you will find it a grind and get bored, you go at it having fun with good people it will be fun.
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Until they implement cross server scenarios so they actually pop during the day and regularly at night dont bother going back. You can still play all day and not get a single scenario until late afternoon. They have "plans" to fix scenarios but until that happens I wont be going back.
I can see where if you enjoy running scenarios, this is an important consideration and would greatly enhance your gameplay.
But for the game to be something I'd like to play I'd prefer they remove the scenarios entirely and force everyone out into open world combat. (a third faction is also a must)
No way to keep everyone happy, but glad to hear they are improving things for those who enjoy the game as its currently designed.
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Until they implement cross server scenarios so they actually pop during the day and regularly at night dont bother going back. You can still play all day and not get a single scenario until late afternoon. They have "plans" to fix scenarios but until that happens I wont be going back.
I can see where if you enjoy running scenarios, this is an important consideration and would greatly enhance your gameplay.
But for the game to be something I'd like to play I'd prefer they remove the scenarios entirely and force everyone out into open world combat. (a third faction is also a must)
No way to keep everyone happy, but glad to hear they are improving things for those who enjoy the game as its currently designed.
See that would be wrong, forcing other players from what they enjoy into what you enjoy. Just as you do not want SC, tons that do them don't like oRvR. They do not need to remove them, they just need to give risk, reward for doing more oRvR, SCs are a bit easier to get into and play and the risk is not that great, oRvR is a bit harder and as such I think cranking the could pull more into oRvR without having to take SCs from the players.
A third faction would be nice, but nowhere would that bring balance or anything else but spread the population further. The games does not have any major balance issues between the two we have now. oRvR in its current status already offers more battlefield control then SCs, and if they offered a bit more reward for doing it, I could see more people pulled from SCs that way SC people could still do SCs and have fun, while people like yourself can still do oRvR, though I never had any trouble finding a warband to roam with on Badlands, oRvR is alive, and still kicking there, as are SCs.
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I wish WAR the best but it will take much more then a dated re-vamped themepark MMO to tear me away from Darkfall...as most folks say, once you go sandbox you never go back :-)
I wish WAR the best but it will take much more then a dated re-vamped themepark MMO to tear me away from Darkfall...as most folks say, once you go sandbox you never go back :-)
Or like I say once you go sandbox, you always get bored. Sorry, I like some sort of goals and directions when I play games instead of mindlessly running around. If you like it that is fine, but please do not come here and keep talking about it, there are games for different gamers. You like what you like, we like what we like, and if people want to try either they will.
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I get my facts from a little bird in a place called M......, he is there and listening to everything thats going on and getting a earfull fro you know who when bioware personals start pointing fingers at the mistakes done before this. Teir 1 is the best ofcourse, that why its free to play on tier 1 only. About the kinks im talking, teir 1 is now better then it was. The smartest thing they did was moving all races to only one point of spawn.
Where i get my news from you ain't have to know~ for his job sake at least. The Politics session in Mythic is already over, Bioware's guys are already in Mythic. Its just a simple case of transfer of staff. Happens all the time. If you wanted to see the screaming and politics that happened following Mythics downgrade by Bioware you will have to hear it from an employee.
About the cross server battle, that isn't gona happen anytime soon . The best way is to incode all the monkeys into one server which i have no idea if that can be done. And yes, The New Dev won't listen to player base anymore, thats what started the huge mess in the first place in beta. What you are getting now is the content that was already scheduled but withheld due to streamlining . Once that is done you can enjoy your weapons and stash.
I get my facts from a little bird in a place called M......, he is there and listening to everything thats going on and getting a earfull fro you know who when bioware personals start pointing fingers at the mistakes done before this. Teir 1 is the best ofcourse, that why its free to play on tier 1 only. About the kinks im talking, teir 1 is now better then it was. The smartest thing they did was moving all races to only one point of spawn. Where i get my news from you ain't have to know~ for his job sake at least. The Politics session in Mythic is already over, Bioware's guys are already in Mythic. Its just a simple case of transfer of staff. Happens all the time. If you wanted to see the screaming and politics that happened following Mythics downgrade by Bioware you will have to hear it from an employee.
About the cross server battle, that isn't gona happen anytime soon . The best way is to incode all the monkeys into one server which i have no idea if that can be done. And yes, The New Dev won't listen to player base anymore, thats what started the huge mess in the first place in beta. What you are getting now is the content that was already scheduled but withheld due to streamlining . Once that is done you can enjoy your weapons and stash. Im gona let out a nice little info. The expansion is still going on, being develope even as we speak. Expect a nice surprise in the way of new races. Doesn't take a genuis to figure out who is in it.
What i find funny about that statement is, I was in the beta, pretty early too, and the people who complained about the direction the game was headed were ignored, told thats the direction the game was going, or banned. Those who just agreed, were given quotes on the T-shirts that were given out at the end of beta...
I've been a part of a good many beta, and I never felt so useless as i did in this one..
Its not to say any of us had an premenitions it was going to fall as hard as it did (except for maybe Testpig, who got banned), I'm just saying I didnt see any of your underlined part in beta at all... Far from it actually.
mm!last time i tried war,grpahic were low quality and the game is a big ressource hog without 64 bit to help it me i had to put quality so low might as well just read comic instead.
The in game performance has nothing to do with your operating system. I am running everything on max with no lag or performance issues on vista 64 bit. I know nothing about your pc, but i think you need an upgrade. Warhammer Online is not a f2p or WoW. The graphics or engine performance are no longer a problem in WAR.
BTW my system isn't the greatest either-Quad 3.14, 6 gig ram, SLI 760
This will run everything max in WAR even in areas with high player density.
I get my facts from a little bird in a place called M......, he is there and listening to everything thats going on and getting a earfull fro you know who when bioware personals start pointing fingers at the mistakes done before this. Teir 1 is the best ofcourse, that why its free to play on tier 1 only. About the kinks im talking, teir 1 is now better then it was. The smartest thing they did was moving all races to only one point of spawn.
Where i get my news from you ain't have to know~ for his job sake at least. The Politics session in Mythic is already over, Bioware's guys are already in Mythic. Its just a simple case of transfer of staff. Happens all the time. If you wanted to see the screaming and politics that happened following Mythics downgrade by Bioware you will have to hear it from an employee.
About the cross server battle, that isn't gona happen anytime soon . The best way is to incode all the monkeys into one server which i have no idea if that can be done. And yes, The New Dev won't listen to player base anymore, thats what started the huge mess in the first place in beta. What you are getting now is the content that was already scheduled but withheld due to streamlining . Once that is done you can enjoy your weapons and stash."
Fine. I'm using facts posted by Mythic and people's observations from ingame, and you clearly seem to be full of hot air supposedly getting 'facts' from some type of 'mystery source'.
Even *if* your 'source' were to be real, he's clearly as in the dark about what happens as you seem to be since he's already been telling you stuff that's simply, clearly not true as I've already pointed out above.
Honestly. Do us all a favor. If you want to wave WAR's banner, feel free to do so, but for pity's sake, at least try and read up on it and learn to use facts and hard info/ player's observations instead of this 'Zomg, he speaks to me' religious type nonsense which you're continuously making future predictions on like they already happened.
I wish WAR the best but it will take much more then a dated re-vamped themepark MMO to tear me away from Darkfall...as most folks say, once you go sandbox you never go back :-)
Right right...just like nothing could rip you away from Aion a few months back. Fanboys are hilarious.
Lets just agree that WAR is already good hands. There is no need to wave any banner. In June most of these screwed up nonsense will be gone. Until then teir 1 is your only source of information to the games credibility.
One thing for sure there should not be perfomance issue on WAR or even teir 1. If players are experiancing this then its either hardware, software being outdated. That part of the problem is not an issue anymore. Now comes the streamlining and content management. Please don't whine about the removal of content, as stated before, it was Mythics mistake to put it there to begin with. They are now trying to make it easier for the end game to actually happend. Remember, WAR can only work when there is enough players around to make it work. The concept of the game itself revolves around how many players there are in a server.
WOW is solo MMO mostly, same goes to AOC. But in order for WAR to fully work its magic, a good amount of players are needed to bring the RVR or even scenarios to life. The is no way they can revamp this without destrying the foundation of the game itself. Unless they are interested in following WOW's footsteps, which is not a bad idea if they actually can do that. Because at the end of the day, EA is the money tree. WAR"s IP will not be given that easy. As far as Mythic is concern,they need to turn up a profit or find another good excuse for EA to keep funding whats left of Mythic.
Lets just agree that WAR is already good hands. There is no need to wave any banner. In June most of these screwed up nonsense will be gone. Until then teir 1 is your only source of information to the games credibility. One thing for sure there should not be perfomance issue on WAR or even teir 1. If players are experiancing this then its either hardware, software being outdated. That part of the problem is not an issue anymore. Now comes the streamlining and content management. Please don't whine about the removal of content, as stated before, it was Mythics mistake to put it there to begin with. They are now trying to make it easier for the end game to actually happend. Remember, WAR can only work when there is enough players around to make it work. The concept of the game itself revolves around how many players there are in a server. WOW is solo MMO mostly, same goes to AOC.
I only see one person in this thread waving a banner.....
Next time you want to influence people, reread what you post. I clicked this thread in the hopes of being able to look forward to something good in the mmo industry. Unfortunately, it was painful to pick apart what you wrote and figure out what you were actually trying to say.
Ask and you shall receive~ what you want to know? Good news only come after a couple of months. Give the Devs time.
No thanks they had the time BEFORE THE GAME LAUNCHED. I could care less who is running the show now. They thought that the typical release" the MMORPG have finish routine" would fly and they got burned. Defend Failhammer all you want but it will always be a wannbe WoW in the warhammer universe ( the Irony is Warcarft in concept is a knockoff of Warhammer ) .
WOW is solo MMO mostly, same goes to AOC. But in order for WAR to fully work its magic, a good amount of players are needed to bring the RVR or even scenarios to life. The is no way they can revamp this without destrying the foundation of the game itself. Unless they are interested in following WOW's footsteps, which is not a bad idea if they actually can do that. Because at the end of the day, EA is the money tree. WAR"s IP will not be given that easy. As far as Mythic is concern,they need to turn up a profit or find another good excuse for EA to keep funding whats left of Mythic.
To the poster above me, WAR does not want to be WoW, nor does it players want it to be WoW.
WoW covers everything, some better then others, it is just as solo as it is a group game, all I see is lies and rumors being spread by you meetxj9, before you hurt your own reputation and this games reputation please leave out non facts. I am sick of hearing your run your mouth like you know what is going on when you don't know anything more then the rest of us. This is not a personal attack, don't take it as such, I am simply tired of hearing lies and rumors. Players need to hear about the game, and what is fact, not rumors and twisted reality of your mind.
Moving on, EA is the publisher, it is fact they funded WAR, but it is also fact that profit need be gained, as long as the game is pulling in money, the game will stay, as eventually it will hit profit, they seem to be covering their costs fine at the moment due to layoffs. Also due to what is planned and being done it is also evident that EA is still totally invested in WAR, as is Mythic. Bioware has stated as has Mythic tons of times that they share information in the MMO division and are headed by Bioware due to Mythics former head(won't mention name) screwing up badly. Bioware however is not coding or developing WAR in any way, they simply provide direction and keep everything in line.
Stop trying to defend the game while tearing it down. Stop spouting facts while spouting speculation. What I have said can be confirmed both in official statements and current, and past actions of the company. Can yours? Don't say you have to protect an insider, all that is is a way for you to continue spouting your own opinions as fact.
WAR = RvR(PvP) with a side of PvE. WoW = PvE with a side of never properly implemented PvP.
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Sure, cheating isn't widespread & it's generally only a handful of players, but all it takes is a group of 6-12 people in a guild doing it on one side who play consistently thoughout the day on a daily basis to be an issue... because you end up encountering these handful of players frequently due to their level of activity it can end up making every nearly every rvr encounter have the cheating variable present, since most everyone tends to flock to the same zone, whether it be to lock a zone or defend a lock.
What makes me think someone is doing one of the above? Well, when someone hits me with special attacks 3-4 or more times per second/gcd... it's never intermittent, it's generally always the same players this happens with. I've also seen certain players being able ignore my snares & outrun me even when I use 'charge' (+50%) to movement. I've seen specific players I've gotten into melee range with, when they get low on health, they turn around do a jump & suddenly they teleport 15-20ft away, get healed up by a healer & run back into melee -- Lag? Maybe, but why isn't everyone else doing short teleports on my screen when these specific players are, why only my target in my melee range? I've seen specific players jump off keep walls to avoid death, only to land & take zero damage -- Well timed pot that heals just as they land for the exact amount of damage from the fall? Maybe, but not likely, again, same specific players. I've seen 'specific' Witch Hunters vanish, without any going into incognito animation right before they die, even avoiding Choppa melee AoE -- Maybe my client didn't display it, but again, it's like only 2 specific WH on my server I've witness having these last second amazing escape abilities who vanish without a trace.
Again, it's just a small group of people who do these things.. cheating from what I've seen isn't on a mass scale, but as mentioned before, when you run into these same players on a regular basis it gets very old fast & takes the fun out of the game since they can basically roll you at any time.
I'd like to add that yes, I've reported them all.. so have many others, yet these players are still seen everyday.
2) AoE
I've played both sides & AoE is more of an issue when going up against order since BW can slot certain tactics & increase their AoE radius, something Sorcs cannot do. As a result of this, and other things, BW has become a popular class & you'll see many more BWs in oRvR than Sorcs. I don't want to turn this into a BW whine, but classes become popular & unpopular for a reason. There needs to be better balance of AoE between both realms & the damage needs to be toned down.. either by reducing the amount of AoE a player can take per second so entire warbands aren't nearly instant killed or put some sort of cooldown on spammable high damage AoE... or even better, maybe put diminishing returns on AoE damage for each target it hits.. if it hits one it does max damage, but for each additional it does less, like for 2 targets it would do 10% less damage since it's hitting to targets, dunno, just tossing some ideas out there.. right now AoE is too popular & not uncommon to see 'bomb squads' of 1 group of players dropping entire warbands before they can do anything.
3) General class balance with roles, mainly in oRvR since that's WARs focus
Right now you're either a tank, melee dps, ranged dps or healer. And it's become obvious to me that all you really need are tanks, ranged high aoe damage dps & healers. Leaving melee dps without much, if any, a role.. mostly due to the fact that tanks, if spec'd & geared correctly, can burst damage almost as well as certain melee dps, but do it with much higher survivability/utility. I've had tanks crit my Marauder for 1500+... if I choose to hit a tank back it's for 100-150. Slayers/Choppas seem to do fine since they get such massive dmg increases from their berserk mechanic & WH/WE do decently as well since they can stealth & also have high damage. But White Lions/Maras are sort of the red headed step child.... they both do the least amount of damage out of all the melee dps roles, which is why they are the least played. I won't go into the specific issues, everyone who plays melee dps knows what they are.... and what it's not is a even playground when it comes to dps output among all the melee dps roles when it should be.
4) Population/Faction control
Plain & simple, there needs to be some sort of dynamic population cap feature that monitors population levels & adjusts them to make the oRvR playing field more equal.. it sucks logging on one evening only to be out numbered 3-4 or more to 1. It's just not fun getting rolled simply because you have no chance to stand up to huge numbers. WAR should have had a 3rd faction to begin with, but now all we can really hope for is some sort of population management put in place to turn each zone into a equal playfield number wise.
Anyhow, that's about all I can think of at the moment that would make me want to come back... and honestly, I really don't see such changes take place as I doubt my single sub cancellation will have any effect.
My issues with WAR are that have kept me away are : 1) Cheating: Warbuddy & Macroing (To exploit badly coded gcd mechanic) 2) AoE 3) General class balance with roles, mainly in oRvR since that's WARs focus 4) Population/Faction control
Anyhow, that's about all I can think of at the moment that would make me want to come back... and honestly, I really don't see such changes take place as I doubt my single sub cancellation will have any effect.
Seems you have not played in quite a while.
1) Cheating I have not noticed at all recently.
2) AoE was fixed by mass nerf and restructuring several months back.
3) Class balance is not as bad nor was it really in the first place, if you play a tank class expect to tank and take hits with dps being crap, play dps learn to use the class right and do dps, play a healer unless hybrid specced heal others and expect to. AM and Shamans can hybrid dps and heal.
4) Population has been a constant issue but the more people stray from the game due to that, the worse it gets and the trend keeps going, break the cycle, hop back enjoy the game and have fun. If more people would come back then this would not be an issue, factions on servers are pretty balanced though population is stable, not growing too much but stable.
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Well the "revival process" is a slow & steady thing, the process is in fact also a race, a race against time & subscription drop-off, it's population may overall be stabilised, if it's lucky at a volume that EA are prepared to support.
The huge problem WAR has was that it sought to put out a "streamlined" MMO that focused on fast paced PvP, but it did not do so with the performance, variety, & polish that it required to remain a success.
There is too little meat on the bones to justify it's subscription price to anyone not heavily loving it's current incanation, I too am in the "if it goes F2P it may (no guarantees) survive" camp, at the very least it will need to incentivise taking up the game, the free trial was a good idea but in fairness the tier 1 game wasn't the game's weakest point, it's everything beyond tier 1 where it goes horribly wrong.
To remain a PvP focused game it needs to offer a more variable, more interesting, & more dynamic game, difficult with the lower numbers it now posesses, if expanding variety takes it down the PvE expansion route this negatively impacts the PvP game but may ensure long term survival, it depends where they can put their resources to best use, & what the long term strategy is.
I played it for 6 months but the pace of change & pace of improvement were never going to be able to outpace the rate of decline in subscribers, it was a flawed design from the start, offered too little variety & had terrible performance issues due to an outdated engine that could not provide the necessary grunt for what the game set out to provide, that while improved still exist today,largely that omprovement has been at the expense of features that promoted the mass-warfare the game was designed to support (in it's second design pass, it's first was purely scenario based).
I recently tried the endless trial, & was bitterly disappointed to see that instead of hitching and stuttering what had been achived was an almost strobe-like effect, the hitching & stuttering had been broken up into smaller chunks but was still very much in effect, it actually caused me to feel sick after only a few hours playing it, I really wanted this game tio deliver but it's too shallow too boring & runs like a pig in treacle on even a reasonably specced pc let along a lower end system like mine is.
It's getting better there's no doubt, but reducing content is probably the way the game has to go to move forward, but ultimately it will become a very very limited game indeed before the engine will do well, it's my honest opinion they need to either start from scratch, or invest millions building a version 2.0 of this game with a new engine, bigger more seamless world & more varietyy in the ways to engage & continue in PvP, otherwise it's just a slow decline whilst trying to keep a tiny devoted core happy till the game becomes unprofitable & gets switched off.
Originally posted by Skuz disappointed to see that instead of hitching and stuttering what had been achived was an almost strobe-like effect, the hitching & stuttering had been broken up into smaller chunks but was still very much in effect, it actually caused me to feel sick after only a few hours playing it, I really wanted this game tio deliver but it's too shallow too boring & runs like a pig in treacle on even a reasonably specced pc let along a lower end system like mine is.
If this is your complaint then please upgrade your system before trying to play. This is not a game issue, nor a server issue at this point but a computer issue on your end. I play maxed out graphics with 60-90FPS. So it becomes increasingly obvious that the complaint you are wagering is not an issue with the game, but your own computer.
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Pure nonsense. The latest layoffs were due to the economy and the fact that Mythic isn't one of the companies on the list not to cut back on. The list of subcompanies with cutbacks was *long*, and this was in november. They already claimed to have cut off the slack and been working as they were expected with Bioware long before that.
Apart from the fact that Mythic is now under the arm/head/shoulder ... (how do you say that again? xD) of a few higherups in Bioware doesn't mean they're replacing their staff with Bioware people. On the contrary, Bioware is far too busy making their own MMO, which no doubt is currently the top priority MMO within EA. They made clear enough that Mythic was helping Bioware by adding some experienced (with mmo's) people to help them out.
You were the one who kept talking about this pod cast with the 'new' team (heck different people, whatever). I assume you have a podcast you can link to or were you just making that up?
Unless there's a podcast since the october one they *since then* lost another 40% of their crew, and as shortly ago as December made another change in Producer. So even if you attribuite some of the things happening lately to a new crew, it's not the current one because they haven't done anything yet under the latest management, and there's 40% less of them now.
That's what's worrying people. No one who has followed this game thinks it was some finetuning by Bioware, because it wasn't. They were cutbacks from callguys to developers, cutbacks that were going through nearly all of EA at the time, except for the companies who were really worth keeping people around it (more than others).
Where are you getting this stuff? Are you just making all this up? Have you even followed the latest news and announcements regarding the latest patch? One of their main teasers was about how they were introducing stuff 'people had been asking for' (the RvR weapons)
You're completely off the mark.
[Quote]Originally posted by meetxj9
They(the new team) have already dealt with teir 1 and im curious to see what they have done to the others as well. [/Quote]
They 'dealt' with T1? What does that mean? Most people felt T1 was the best tier ever since the game released. Do you mean that it's free to play now?
Until they implement cross server scenarios so they actually pop during the day and regularly at night dont bother going back. You can still play all day and not get a single scenario until late afternoon. They have "plans" to fix scenarios but until that happens I wont be going back.
That can be a concern, and would be nice, but another thing you need to try is playing on the largest server which at this time is Badlands, if people would just join it instead of spreading out thinly, we may not have these issues. WAR has the best PvP of any game end of story, if you can put up with a few of the hitches and give it a go then you will have a blast, and those in T4 thinking there is nothing to do or that RR grind is all you can do, think, that it is what you make it. You push hardcore you will find it a grind and get bored, you go at it having fun with good people it will be fun.
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I can see where if you enjoy running scenarios, this is an important consideration and would greatly enhance your gameplay.
But for the game to be something I'd like to play I'd prefer they remove the scenarios entirely and force everyone out into open world combat. (a third faction is also a must)
No way to keep everyone happy, but glad to hear they are improving things for those who enjoy the game as its currently designed.
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I can see where if you enjoy running scenarios, this is an important consideration and would greatly enhance your gameplay.
But for the game to be something I'd like to play I'd prefer they remove the scenarios entirely and force everyone out into open world combat. (a third faction is also a must)
No way to keep everyone happy, but glad to hear they are improving things for those who enjoy the game as its currently designed.
See that would be wrong, forcing other players from what they enjoy into what you enjoy. Just as you do not want SC, tons that do them don't like oRvR. They do not need to remove them, they just need to give risk, reward for doing more oRvR, SCs are a bit easier to get into and play and the risk is not that great, oRvR is a bit harder and as such I think cranking the could pull more into oRvR without having to take SCs from the players.
A third faction would be nice, but nowhere would that bring balance or anything else but spread the population further. The games does not have any major balance issues between the two we have now. oRvR in its current status already offers more battlefield control then SCs, and if they offered a bit more reward for doing it, I could see more people pulled from SCs that way SC people could still do SCs and have fun, while people like yourself can still do oRvR, though I never had any trouble finding a warband to roam with on Badlands, oRvR is alive, and still kicking there, as are SCs.
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I wish WAR the best but it will take much more then a dated re-vamped themepark MMO to tear me away from Darkfall...as most folks say, once you go sandbox you never go back :-)
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Or like I say once you go sandbox, you always get bored. Sorry, I like some sort of goals and directions when I play games instead of mindlessly running around. If you like it that is fine, but please do not come here and keep talking about it, there are games for different gamers. You like what you like, we like what we like, and if people want to try either they will.
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I get my facts from a little bird in a place called M......, he is there and listening to everything thats going on and getting a earfull fro you know who when bioware personals start pointing fingers at the mistakes done before this. Teir 1 is the best ofcourse, that why its free to play on tier 1 only. About the kinks im talking, teir 1 is now better then it was. The smartest thing they did was moving all races to only one point of spawn.
Where i get my news from you ain't have to know~ for his job sake at least. The Politics session in Mythic is already over, Bioware's guys are already in Mythic. Its just a simple case of transfer of staff. Happens all the time. If you wanted to see the screaming and politics that happened following Mythics downgrade by Bioware you will have to hear it from an employee.
About the cross server battle, that isn't gona happen anytime soon . The best way is to incode all the monkeys into one server which i have no idea if that can be done. And yes, The New Dev won't listen to player base anymore, thats what started the huge mess in the first place in beta. What you are getting now is the content that was already scheduled but withheld due to streamlining . Once that is done you can enjoy your weapons and stash.
WAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
What i find funny about that statement is, I was in the beta, pretty early too, and the people who complained about the direction the game was headed were ignored, told thats the direction the game was going, or banned. Those who just agreed, were given quotes on the T-shirts that were given out at the end of beta...
I've been a part of a good many beta, and I never felt so useless as i did in this one..
Its not to say any of us had an premenitions it was going to fall as hard as it did (except for maybe Testpig, who got banned), I'm just saying I didnt see any of your underlined part in beta at all... Far from it actually.
The in game performance has nothing to do with your operating system. I am running everything on max with no lag or performance issues on vista 64 bit. I know nothing about your pc, but i think you need an upgrade. Warhammer Online is not a f2p or WoW. The graphics or engine performance are no longer a problem in WAR.
BTW my system isn't the greatest either-Quad 3.14, 6 gig ram, SLI 760
This will run everything max in WAR even in areas with high player density.
"Originally posted by meetxj9
I get my facts from a little bird in a place called M......, he is there and listening to everything thats going on and getting a earfull fro you know who when bioware personals start pointing fingers at the mistakes done before this. Teir 1 is the best ofcourse, that why its free to play on tier 1 only. About the kinks im talking, teir 1 is now better then it was. The smartest thing they did was moving all races to only one point of spawn.
Where i get my news from you ain't have to know~ for his job sake at least. The Politics session in Mythic is already over, Bioware's guys are already in Mythic. Its just a simple case of transfer of staff. Happens all the time. If you wanted to see the screaming and politics that happened following Mythics downgrade by Bioware you will have to hear it from an employee.
About the cross server battle, that isn't gona happen anytime soon . The best way is to incode all the monkeys into one server which i have no idea if that can be done. And yes, The New Dev won't listen to player base anymore, thats what started the huge mess in the first place in beta. What you are getting now is the content that was already scheduled but withheld due to streamlining . Once that is done you can enjoy your weapons and stash."
Fine. I'm using facts posted by Mythic and people's observations from ingame, and you clearly seem to be full of hot air supposedly getting 'facts' from some type of 'mystery source'.
Even *if* your 'source' were to be real, he's clearly as in the dark about what happens as you seem to be since he's already been telling you stuff that's simply, clearly not true as I've already pointed out above.
Honestly. Do us all a favor. If you want to wave WAR's banner, feel free to do so, but for pity's sake, at least try and read up on it and learn to use facts and hard info/ player's observations instead of this 'Zomg, he speaks to me' religious type nonsense which you're continuously making future predictions on like they already happened.
Right right...just like nothing could rip you away from Aion a few months back. Fanboys are hilarious.
Lets just agree that WAR is already good hands. There is no need to wave any banner. In June most of these screwed up nonsense will be gone. Until then teir 1 is your only source of information to the games credibility.
One thing for sure there should not be perfomance issue on WAR or even teir 1. If players are experiancing this then its either hardware, software being outdated. That part of the problem is not an issue anymore. Now comes the streamlining and content management. Please don't whine about the removal of content, as stated before, it was Mythics mistake to put it there to begin with. They are now trying to make it easier for the end game to actually happend. Remember, WAR can only work when there is enough players around to make it work. The concept of the game itself revolves around how many players there are in a server.
WOW is solo MMO mostly, same goes to AOC. But in order for WAR to fully work its magic, a good amount of players are needed to bring the RVR or even scenarios to life. The is no way they can revamp this without destrying the foundation of the game itself. Unless they are interested in following WOW's footsteps, which is not a bad idea if they actually can do that. Because at the end of the day, EA is the money tree. WAR"s IP will not be given that easy. As far as Mythic is concern,they need to turn up a profit or find another good excuse for EA to keep funding whats left of Mythic.
I only see one person in this thread waving a banner.....
/shrug
-You sir, are a champion.
To the OP,
Next time you want to influence people, reread what you post. I clicked this thread in the hopes of being able to look forward to something good in the mmo industry. Unfortunately, it was painful to pick apart what you wrote and figure out what you were actually trying to say.
Ask and you shall receive~ what you want to know? Good news only come after a couple of months. Give the Devs time.
So we have
A) a team that over 1 year later is just now noticing their mistakes?
C) the "new" dev team isn't going to listen to players, because that is somehow the key to delivering a game experience players will want?
D) Forgive me if I don't feel that warhammer is in good hands and am actually more concerned after reading your endorsement of the new regime.
No thanks they had the time BEFORE THE GAME LAUNCHED. I could care less who is running the show now. They thought that the typical release" the MMORPG have finish routine" would fly and they got burned. Defend Failhammer all you want but it will always be a wannbe WoW in the warhammer universe ( the Irony is Warcarft in concept is a knockoff of Warhammer ) .
To the poster above me, WAR does not want to be WoW, nor does it players want it to be WoW.
WoW covers everything, some better then others, it is just as solo as it is a group game, all I see is lies and rumors being spread by you meetxj9, before you hurt your own reputation and this games reputation please leave out non facts. I am sick of hearing your run your mouth like you know what is going on when you don't know anything more then the rest of us. This is not a personal attack, don't take it as such, I am simply tired of hearing lies and rumors. Players need to hear about the game, and what is fact, not rumors and twisted reality of your mind.
Moving on, EA is the publisher, it is fact they funded WAR, but it is also fact that profit need be gained, as long as the game is pulling in money, the game will stay, as eventually it will hit profit, they seem to be covering their costs fine at the moment due to layoffs. Also due to what is planned and being done it is also evident that EA is still totally invested in WAR, as is Mythic. Bioware has stated as has Mythic tons of times that they share information in the MMO division and are headed by Bioware due to Mythics former head(won't mention name) screwing up badly. Bioware however is not coding or developing WAR in any way, they simply provide direction and keep everything in line.
Stop trying to defend the game while tearing it down. Stop spouting facts while spouting speculation. What I have said can be confirmed both in official statements and current, and past actions of the company. Can yours? Don't say you have to protect an insider, all that is is a way for you to continue spouting your own opinions as fact.
WAR = RvR(PvP) with a side of PvE.
WoW = PvE with a side of never properly implemented PvP.
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My issues with WAR are that have kept me away are :
1) Cheating: Warbuddy & Macroing (To exploit badly coded gcd mechanic)
Sure, cheating isn't widespread & it's generally only a handful of players, but all it takes is a group of 6-12 people in a guild doing it on one side who play consistently thoughout the day on a daily basis to be an issue... because you end up encountering these handful of players frequently due to their level of activity it can end up making every nearly every rvr encounter have the cheating variable present, since most everyone tends to flock to the same zone, whether it be to lock a zone or defend a lock.
What makes me think someone is doing one of the above? Well, when someone hits me with special attacks 3-4 or more times per second/gcd... it's never intermittent, it's generally always the same players this happens with. I've also seen certain players being able ignore my snares & outrun me even when I use 'charge' (+50%) to movement. I've seen specific players I've gotten into melee range with, when they get low on health, they turn around do a jump & suddenly they teleport 15-20ft away, get healed up by a healer & run back into melee -- Lag? Maybe, but why isn't everyone else doing short teleports on my screen when these specific players are, why only my target in my melee range? I've seen specific players jump off keep walls to avoid death, only to land & take zero damage -- Well timed pot that heals just as they land for the exact amount of damage from the fall? Maybe, but not likely, again, same specific players. I've seen 'specific' Witch Hunters vanish, without any going into incognito animation right before they die, even avoiding Choppa melee AoE -- Maybe my client didn't display it, but again, it's like only 2 specific WH on my server I've witness having these last second amazing escape abilities who vanish without a trace.
Again, it's just a small group of people who do these things.. cheating from what I've seen isn't on a mass scale, but as mentioned before, when you run into these same players on a regular basis it gets very old fast & takes the fun out of the game since they can basically roll you at any time.
I'd like to add that yes, I've reported them all.. so have many others, yet these players are still seen everyday.
2) AoE
I've played both sides & AoE is more of an issue when going up against order since BW can slot certain tactics & increase their AoE radius, something Sorcs cannot do. As a result of this, and other things, BW has become a popular class & you'll see many more BWs in oRvR than Sorcs. I don't want to turn this into a BW whine, but classes become popular & unpopular for a reason. There needs to be better balance of AoE between both realms & the damage needs to be toned down.. either by reducing the amount of AoE a player can take per second so entire warbands aren't nearly instant killed or put some sort of cooldown on spammable high damage AoE... or even better, maybe put diminishing returns on AoE damage for each target it hits.. if it hits one it does max damage, but for each additional it does less, like for 2 targets it would do 10% less damage since it's hitting to targets, dunno, just tossing some ideas out there.. right now AoE is too popular & not uncommon to see 'bomb squads' of 1 group of players dropping entire warbands before they can do anything.
3) General class balance with roles, mainly in oRvR since that's WARs focus
Right now you're either a tank, melee dps, ranged dps or healer. And it's become obvious to me that all you really need are tanks, ranged high aoe damage dps & healers. Leaving melee dps without much, if any, a role.. mostly due to the fact that tanks, if spec'd & geared correctly, can burst damage almost as well as certain melee dps, but do it with much higher survivability/utility. I've had tanks crit my Marauder for 1500+... if I choose to hit a tank back it's for 100-150. Slayers/Choppas seem to do fine since they get such massive dmg increases from their berserk mechanic & WH/WE do decently as well since they can stealth & also have high damage. But White Lions/Maras are sort of the red headed step child.... they both do the least amount of damage out of all the melee dps roles, which is why they are the least played. I won't go into the specific issues, everyone who plays melee dps knows what they are.... and what it's not is a even playground when it comes to dps output among all the melee dps roles when it should be.
4) Population/Faction control
Plain & simple, there needs to be some sort of dynamic population cap feature that monitors population levels & adjusts them to make the oRvR playing field more equal.. it sucks logging on one evening only to be out numbered 3-4 or more to 1. It's just not fun getting rolled simply because you have no chance to stand up to huge numbers. WAR should have had a 3rd faction to begin with, but now all we can really hope for is some sort of population management put in place to turn each zone into a equal playfield number wise.
Anyhow, that's about all I can think of at the moment that would make me want to come back... and honestly, I really don't see such changes take place as I doubt my single sub cancellation will have any effect.
Seems you have not played in quite a while.
1) Cheating I have not noticed at all recently.
2) AoE was fixed by mass nerf and restructuring several months back.
3) Class balance is not as bad nor was it really in the first place, if you play a tank class expect to tank and take hits with dps being crap, play dps learn to use the class right and do dps, play a healer unless hybrid specced heal others and expect to. AM and Shamans can hybrid dps and heal.
4) Population has been a constant issue but the more people stray from the game due to that, the worse it gets and the trend keeps going, break the cycle, hop back enjoy the game and have fun. If more people would come back then this would not be an issue, factions on servers are pretty balanced though population is stable, not growing too much but stable.
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Well the "revival process" is a slow & steady thing, the process is in fact also a race, a race against time & subscription drop-off, it's population may overall be stabilised, if it's lucky at a volume that EA are prepared to support.
The huge problem WAR has was that it sought to put out a "streamlined" MMO that focused on fast paced PvP, but it did not do so with the performance, variety, & polish that it required to remain a success.
There is too little meat on the bones to justify it's subscription price to anyone not heavily loving it's current incanation, I too am in the "if it goes F2P it may (no guarantees) survive" camp, at the very least it will need to incentivise taking up the game, the free trial was a good idea but in fairness the tier 1 game wasn't the game's weakest point, it's everything beyond tier 1 where it goes horribly wrong.
To remain a PvP focused game it needs to offer a more variable, more interesting, & more dynamic game, difficult with the lower numbers it now posesses, if expanding variety takes it down the PvE expansion route this negatively impacts the PvP game but may ensure long term survival, it depends where they can put their resources to best use, & what the long term strategy is.
I played it for 6 months but the pace of change & pace of improvement were never going to be able to outpace the rate of decline in subscribers, it was a flawed design from the start, offered too little variety & had terrible performance issues due to an outdated engine that could not provide the necessary grunt for what the game set out to provide, that while improved still exist today,largely that omprovement has been at the expense of features that promoted the mass-warfare the game was designed to support (in it's second design pass, it's first was purely scenario based).
I recently tried the endless trial, & was bitterly disappointed to see that instead of hitching and stuttering what had been achived was an almost strobe-like effect, the hitching & stuttering had been broken up into smaller chunks but was still very much in effect, it actually caused me to feel sick after only a few hours playing it, I really wanted this game tio deliver but it's too shallow too boring & runs like a pig in treacle on even a reasonably specced pc let along a lower end system like mine is.
It's getting better there's no doubt, but reducing content is probably the way the game has to go to move forward, but ultimately it will become a very very limited game indeed before the engine will do well, it's my honest opinion they need to either start from scratch, or invest millions building a version 2.0 of this game with a new engine, bigger more seamless world & more varietyy in the ways to engage & continue in PvP, otherwise it's just a slow decline whilst trying to keep a tiny devoted core happy till the game becomes unprofitable & gets switched off.
If this is your complaint then please upgrade your system before trying to play. This is not a game issue, nor a server issue at this point but a computer issue on your end. I play maxed out graphics with 60-90FPS. So it becomes increasingly obvious that the complaint you are wagering is not an issue with the game, but your own computer.
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