I played when this when it first came out,subbed for a few months too,I had a good time with it just got bored after awhile.Just reinstalled it today ,the game is looking and playing much better than it did on release.
If anyone hasnt already tried this then now would be a good time to.Unlimited free trial of the first tier is plain nuts,this for me and alot of people from what ive read is the best bit of the game.What makes this even crazier is that paying customers are crying out for a way to halt leveling xD
Sure there's a few limitations like gear,loots and ranks but there's still a shed load of fun to be had here! Best of all it's FREE!!! Come and join the revival of a awesome pvp game
I played WAR at launch and honestly that wasn't that bad, even some parts were very fun. And no need to grind gold to be able to buy stuff was just great.
Right now I'm looking at my WAR box and seriously considering to unleash the beast a second time.
What kind of rewards, other than item rewards, are being offered for PvP? I'm speaking of less shallow material rewards, and more rewards based on realm pride and actual territory gained/held. My main problem with WARs PvP at launch was that it was basically just a means to level up and get item upgrades. Which is fine. There are plenty of games out that do the same thing. I guess I was just expecting more from a game that's main focus was on factional warfare.
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Interesting post. I forgot about the free first tier... I am reinstalling now to play around with first tier. It was probably my favorite part of the game.
My major beefs were:
- Scenario Grinding. I mean wtf Mythic I don't want WoW 2.0
- World RvR = Zerg from one to the next with no opposition
- PvE was boring, and I was sick of the quest grinding 3 games previous to this one
I just want to world RvR, have people doing it on both sides actively, and have fun. Who makes an RvR game and pushes all players out of RvR??????? WTF?Q?!?!?
So if what you are saying is this new team is focusing on pushing players into RvR and making it a main focus of the game then I may resub at some point. I miss DaOC world RvR.
1) Cheating I have not noticed at all recently. 2) AoE was fixed by mass nerf and restructuring several months back. 3) Class balance is not as bad nor was it really in the first place, if you play a tank class expect to tank and take hits with dps being crap, play dps learn to use the class right and do dps, play a healer unless hybrid specced heal others and expect to. AM and Shamans can hybrid dps and heal. 4) Population has been a constant issue but the more people stray from the game due to that, the worse it gets and the trend keeps going, break the cycle, hop back enjoy the game and have fun. If more people would come back then this would not be an issue, factions on servers are pretty balanced though population is stable, not growing too much but stable.
I have been playing recently for about a month from when I resubbed to check out the new patch & spent my time finished leveling up my Marauder to rank 40 & because I'm not satisfied I canceled again.
1) Cheating is worse now than before, atleast on my North American server it is. What I listed in my original post were things I just witnessed happening 2-3 days ago when I last played before deciding to quit again. And it was happening on a daily basis.
2) AoE is still too powerful. Granted that's my opinion, but my opinion is shared by many others on a daily basis. 4-5 BWs taking out entire warbands(or more) by spamming scorched earth is too much.
3)Class balance is still an issue with some classes.
4)There's nothing stable about logging on one evening to hear there's over 200 order attacking a keep when Destro can only manage to put together 1 warband. Again, I'm certain I'm on another server than you since you consider yours to be mostly stable.
1) Cheating I have not noticed at all recently. 2) AoE was fixed by mass nerf and restructuring several months back. 3) Class balance is not as bad nor was it really in the first place, if you play a tank class expect to tank and take hits with dps being crap, play dps learn to use the class right and do dps, play a healer unless hybrid specced heal others and expect to. AM and Shamans can hybrid dps and heal. 4) Population has been a constant issue but the more people stray from the game due to that, the worse it gets and the trend keeps going, break the cycle, hop back enjoy the game and have fun. If more people would come back then this would not be an issue, factions on servers are pretty balanced though population is stable, not growing too much but stable.
I have been playing recently for about a month from when I resubbed to check out the new patch & spent my time finished leveling up my Marauder to rank 40 & because I'm not satisfied I canceled again. 1) Cheating is worse now than before, atleast on my North American server it is. What I listed in my original post were things I just witnessed happening 2-3 days ago when I last played before deciding to quit again. And it was happening on a daily basis. 2) AoE is still too powerful. Granted that's my opinion, but my opinion is shared by many others on a daily basis. 4-5 BWs taking out entire warbands(or more) by spamming scorched earth is too much. 3)Class balance is still an issue with some classes. 4)There's nothing stable about logging on one evening to hear there's over 200 order attacking a keep when Destro can only manage to put together 1 warband. Again, I'm certain I'm on another server than you since you consider yours to be mostly stable.
1) Cheating will always be there, but not once have I seen it. Exploits are a different story. 2) AoE WAS too powerful, BW's USED TO be able to do that, not anymore, not for several months. 3) This game is group oriented in solo pvp there will always be a class that will beat yours. The game is balanced around group combat. 4) Play on a proper server, there is 4 left that are decent, and the largest is Badlands. The population at least on that server is stable. Growing and recovering slowly, but definitely not losing people or not enough to matter. I scan populations constantly.
Before you continue to reply, please look over patch notes, and make sure you are on a decent population server, and then ensure you are not lagging as that can make it seem someone is cheating. Terrain exploiting is all I have ever seen that could even resemble cheating. I been with the game since Beta, and have 3 accounts 2 CE's and one standard. This goes to show not only do I like the game, but I have tons of hope for it.
Population is the ONLY issue I see besides lack of content updates. This game has the most balanced PvP of any game and is the only one with a great PvP system. I have tried 100's of MMOs. Try it, like it, play it. Try it, hate it, post constructively with facts so it can be improved, and leave. No need to stay and bash a game you hate and want nothing to do with, or stay with one you do not like. Leave those that enjoy it to continue to play and enjoy it.
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1) Cheating will always be there, but not once have I seen it. Exploits are a different story.
2) AoE WAS too powerful, BW's USED TO be able to do that, not anymore, not for several months.
3) This game is group oriented in solo pvp there will always be a class that will beat yours. The game is balanced around group combat.
4) Play on a proper server, there is 4 left that are decent, and the largest is Badlands. The population at least on that server is stable. Growing and recovering slowly, but definitely not losing people or not enough to matter. I scan populations constantly.
Before you continue to reply, please look over patch notes, and make sure you are on a decent population server, and then ensure you are not lagging as that can make it seem someone is cheating. Terrain exploiting is all I have ever seen that could even resemble cheating. I been with the game since Beta, and have 3 accounts 2 CE's and one standard. This goes to show not only do I like the game, but I have tons of hope for it. Population is the ONLY issue I see besides lack of content updates. This game has the most balanced PvP of any game and is the only one with a great PvP system. I have tried 100's of MMOs. Try it, like it, play it. Try it, hate it, post constructively with facts so it can be improved, and leave. No need to stay and bash a game you hate and want nothing to do with, or stay with one you do not like. Leave those that enjoy it to continue to play and enjoy it.
1)I'm glad you haven't seen it.. wish I've never seen it, but unfortunately I always see it on a daily basis from a select few players. Exploits are no different, it's still cheating, ie:macroing to bypass the gcd with multiple attacks.
2)AoE is still too powerful... I'm not the only one that shares this same sentiment, just because you don't doesn't mean it's fine. AoE is still a complaint in general. If you feel it's okay for 4 BWs to take down 1-2 warbands by spamming scorched earth, well.. you're entitled to your opinion.
3)You might want to reread my reason(s) behind class balance, your response to it isn't consistent with my concerns as they were more focused within all roles in oRvR, not between solo or group. Not really sure how you became confused here.
4)Rerolling from scratch to "Play on a proper server" is not the solution. It's not my responsibility to make sure I pick a 'proper server', it's mythics responsibility to make sure both sides are close in numbers when engaging in oRvR zones.
And I'm not lagging.. if I was lagging.. and please read this very carefully & multiple times if necessary... if I was lagging while attacking my target, which would make them appear to teleport out of my melee range.. then how come players around me aren't teleporting with him? How come they don't skip up 10-15ft forward & stay in melee range as well? You know where they're at? They're still back with me, 10-15ft behind said target. Again, and I repeat.. it's only specific players I see doing this, but all it takes is a small guild of players using these hacks to ruin a game if they play very frequently because you end up encountering them frequently as a result.
And these are forums.. I'm allowed to share my opinion.. it's called socializing. Just like how you state "This game has the most balanced PvP of any game and is the only one with a great PvP system" -- That's your opinion, not a fact... however, you're allowed to believe that.
And I did create a constructive post listing my concerns about the game that made me cancel my sub again, but would return if they were fixed... I'm not bashing WAR & I don't hate it.. I'm actually disappointed it didn't live up to what it could have been.
BWs, I repeat ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL AN ENTIRE WB. They used to be able to, this proves that you have not played recently. LOL, you are blaming Mythic for there not being even numbers in oRvR?
That is in no way their fault, it is a few factors:
1, server selection, 2, time of day, 3, what people feel like doing.
Blaming Mythic for that is just outrageous. All the issues you are complaining about calling hacking is LAG. Lag can cause certain people to pop, nowhere has lag been an all in or nothing issue. I have seen lag cause whole groups to seem to pop, and other times only certain people, there is not only your lag, but the other players lag as well.
PvP system, yes that is opinion but lets look at the FACTS.
First off it is the only one you have a chance to get gear, levels, and etc. From level one by doing PvP. You may share opinions but at the same time, please for the love of god base it on the game in its current state and not what you remember, everything mentioned as being a balance issue from you was fixed, and obviously you have not played since then. Cheating issues mentioned look, and sound like lag issues. Lag can cause all kinds of issues not limited to teleporting around, lower FPS, accidental exploitation, etc... To call people a hacker for stuff happening without knowing yours and theirs AND the servers network connections hen you cannot say they are hacking or cheating.
Opinions are one thing, facts are another, outdated facts or opinions are also separate. Also exaggeration comes into play. So while voicing your opinion get your facts straight, and try before speaking, and understand before posting.
If you continue to think you are right then lets end this by agreeing to disagree, just don't try to tear the game to pieces with the above.
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BWs, I repeat ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL AN ENTIRE WB. They used to be able to, this proves that you have not played recently. LOL, you are blaming Mythic for there not being even numbers in oRvR? That is in no way their fault, it is a few factors: 1, server selection,
2, time of day,
3, what people feel like doing. Blaming Mythic for that is just outrageous. All the issues you are complaining about calling hacking is LAG. Lag can cause certain people to pop, nowhere has lag been an all in or nothing issue. I have seen lag cause whole groups to seem to pop, and other times only certain people, there is not only your lag, but the other players lag as well. PvP system, yes that is opinion but lets look at the FACTS. First off it is the only one you have a chance to get gear, levels, and etc. From level one by doing PvP. You may share opinions but at the same time, please for the love of god base it on the game in its current state and not what you remember, everything mentioned as being a balance issue from you was fixed, and obviously you have not played since then. Cheating issues mentioned look, and sound like lag issues. Lag can cause all kinds of issues not limited to teleporting around, lower FPS, accidental exploitation, etc... To call people a hacker for stuff happening without knowing yours and theirs AND the servers network connections hen you cannot say they are hacking or cheating. Opinions are one thing, facts are another, outdated facts or opinions are also separate. Also exaggeration comes into play. So while voicing your opinion get your facts straight, and try before speaking, and understand before posting. If you continue to think you are right then lets end this by agreeing to disagree, just don't try to tear the game to pieces with the above.
dont know if its better since i never passed lvl 5 i did try their endless trial and for some weird reason it just doesnt seem to grab me .i couldnt say why tho!
dont know if its better since i never passed lvl 5 i did try their endless trial and for some weird reason it just doesnt seem to grab me .i couldnt say why tho!
Question: Did you do any oRvR? How about SCs? The PvE in this game is fine, but is is just like other MMOs except for a few functions so if you did not reach the RvR(PvP) then I could easily see why you would think that.
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Spyder, I think you're letting your enthusiasm for WAR cloud your opinions.
Cheating has been a problem in WAR since day 1. It took them almost a year to get a handle on the hack program WARBuddy (if they indeed do have a handle on it now -it doesn't seem to be as big a problem). Using that program it was indeed possible to move in ways that made it very obvious a player was cheating (there's a YouTube video advertising it's features out there - check Google).
Beyond hacking, there are definately still exploits that would explain the effect Sweaty is talking about. Screen-dragging or something like it existed in DAoC and was in WAR again from Day 1. It's a method of intentionally lagging out your own client for a brief period so that your avatar warps around in the game world. I've seen it done and it is really frustrating to fight against as a melee character.
As to PBAoE, it's still a very powerful and viable tactic. The two main specs for BW / Sorc are a Close Quarters bomb spec or a long range Focused Mind spec. The latter is in keeping with the "glass cannon" idea for the two mage-types, but with the addition of the Guard function they are both far too survivable in melee ranges for the amount of power they wield. If you don't realize that - you're not being honest about the state of the game. You're right about GTAoE like Rain of Fire and Pit of Shades - the devs did render those far closer to balanced months ago, but on balance the two mage archetypes are still disproportionately powerful compared to the other RDPS.
And that is only one example of the poor class balance job done by Mythic. While the BW / Sorc are the most out there, check Winkl's stats for the bottom-rung archetypes across all Tier 4. They've been the same classes for the life time of the game. Magus, Blackguard, Maurader and Shadow Warrior have been the absolute poorest classes of all for their entire existence. Not to mention several pretty dense mechanic / role choices that make Black Orks, Swordmaster, Zealots and Runepriests rather unpleasant to play - if not outright breaking the class.
Finally, while most of the (remaining few) servers are pretty close to balanced in overall population - Mythic certainly deserves to wear it for not considering the fact that overall balance doesn't matter when you've got wild swings in active population with absolutely no method of correction or balance implemented. It's not much fun for either side when the zerg is rolling, and with their experience from DAoC I would have hoped Mythic would have at least attempted to code in some limiters or balancing factors to make the zerg less of a factor. Sadly they did not, and in fact have steadily made choices that empower the zerg rather than limit it.
WAR was and remains a lot of fun, but to ignore or downplay these valid criticisms is not right either - it's simply a knee-jerk reactionary response to criticism.
Spyder, I think you're letting your enthusiasm for WAR cloud your opinions. Cheating has been a problem in WAR since day 1. It took them almost a year to get a handle on the hack program WARBuddy (if they indeed do have a handle on it now -it doesn't seem to be as big a problem). Using that program it was indeed possible to move in ways that made it very obvious a player was cheating (there's a YouTube video advertising it's features out there - check Google). Beyond hacking, there are definately still exploits that would explain the effect Sweaty is talking about. Screen-dragging or something like it existed in DAoC and was in WAR again from Day 1. It's a method of intentionally lagging out your own client for a brief period so that your avatar warps around in the game world. I've seen it done and it is really frustrating to fight against as a melee character. As to PBAoE, it's still a very powerful and viable tactic. The two main specs for BW / Sorc are a Close Quarters bomb spec or a long range Focused Mind spec. The latter is in keeping with the "glass cannon" idea for the two mage-types, but with the addition of the Guard function they are both far too survivable in melee ranges for the amount of power they wield. If you don't realize that - you're not being honest about the state of the game. You're right about GTAoE like Rain of Fire and Pit of Shades - the devs did render those far closer to balanced months ago, but on balance the two mage archetypes are still disproportionately powerful compared to the other RDPS. And that is only one example of the poor class balance job done by Mythic. While the BW / Sorc are the most out there, check Winkl's stats for the bottom-rung archetypes across all Tier 4. They've been the same classes for the life time of the game. Magus, Blackguard, Maurader and Shadow Warrior have been the absolute poorest classes of all for their entire existence. Not to mention several pretty dense mechanic / role choices that make Black Orks, Swordmaster, Zealots and Runepriests rather unpleasant to play - if not outright breaking the class. Finally, while most of the (remaining few) servers are pretty close to balanced in overall population - Mythic certainly deserves to wear it for not considering the fact that overall balance doesn't matter when you've got wild swings in active population with absolutely no method of correction or balance implemented. It's not much fun for either side when the zerg is rolling, and with their experience from DAoC I would have hoped Mythic would have at least attempted to code in some limiters or balancing factors to make the zerg less of a factor. Sadly they did not, and in fact have steadily made choices that empower the zerg rather than limit it. WAR was and remains a lot of fun, but to ignore or downplay these valid criticisms is not right either - it's simply a knee-jerk reactionary response to criticism.
Opinions based on the way the game was. That is all this is. Cheating was never a big issue and remains to be a non issue.
AoE was nerfed to shit. If you don't think so then please go and record yourself as a BW tearing a whole WB down make sure to have the date on the screen, because it has not, and does not happen since the nerf. Just because a classes role is that of a healer, or a tank as you mention a few and you wish to play them as something they were never meant to be do not make them broken nor does it make them unplayable. I have a Rune Priest, damage was never a factor they are pure healers. That is the way they were made, that is how you will play them. Black Orc is a tank, play it as such or expect to get mad because you thought they were a hit taking damage dealer. All of what you claim and say in defense of his opinions are biased, and untrue in the games current state. Zerging is a choice it can be prevented, sadly players don't want to work together properly and only seek to complain. Mythic should not ever get involved in a strategic way of playing. Zerging has been and hopefully always remains a valid strategy to overwhelm the enemy, armies in real life use it and so do players in the game, fighting them off as a group is the only way to beat it. All MMOs will have exploits, never will there be one without any, some that have been in WoW for instance are still there, same with UO they are inevitable.
End of story stop reliving the past, and for the love of god get up to date on how the game is currently.
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Originally posted by spyder2k5 Opinions based on the way the game was. That is all this is. Cheating was never a big issue and remains to be a non issue.
AoE was nerfed to shit. If you don't think so then please go and record yourself as a BW tearing a whole WB down make sure to have the date on the screen, because it has not, and does not happen since the nerf. Just because a classes role is that of a healer, or a tank as you mention a few and you wish to play them as something they were never meant to be do not make them broken nor does it make them unplayable. I have a Rune Priest, damage was never a factor they are pure healers. That is the way they were made, that is how you will play them. Black Orc is a tank, play it as such or expect to get mad because you thought they were a hit taking damage dealer. All of what you claim and say in defense of his opinions are biased, and untrue in the games current state. Zerging is a choice it can be prevented, sadly players don't want to work together properly and only seek to complain. Mythic should not ever get involved in a strategic way of playing. Zerging has been and hopefully always remains a valid strategy to overwhelm the enemy, armies in real life use it and so do players in the game, fighting them off as a group is the only way to beat it. All MMOs will have exploits, never will there be one without any, some that have been in WoW for instance are still there, same with UO they are inevitable.
End of story stop reliving the past, and for the love of god get up to date on how the game is currently.
Ah - my mistake. I supposed I might be talking to someone that didn't want to have their head in the sand. At least you'll keep your ears warm down there.
I guess if bomb groups "do not and have not happened since the nerf" it should be pretty darn difficult to find any sort of comment on them on the forum......oh wait, on the first page no less:
(By the by, I don't run a BW or a Sorc, I run the other fantastically useful and poorly balanced Order class - the WP.)
RP / Zeal (which I also have one of) are problematic because they are simply boring, not to mention diametrically opposed to the original philosophy of there being no classes that go "I heal and I heal". For what they are they work - which is a far better situation than the aforementioned SW / MARA / Magus / Blackguard bunch.
BO and Swordmaster have a pain-in-the-ass mechanic that limits them to about a third of their usable abilities at any given time. As such, if you want a particular effect - you may or may not be in the right stance / plan to use it, and RvR doesn't exactly wait for you to come back around to it.
BTW - Ironbreaker is a tank too, but seems to play pretty damn well as a hit taking damage dealer.
A fan is somebody who enjoys a game but recognizes its problems and can have a rational discussion about them. A fanboy is someone that slavishly defends their game regardless of reality. Guess which one you're coming off as?
Note: for anyone that's still seriously reading this thread for informational purposes, this site is probably the best thing you could look at when judging the current state of WAR: http://pauser.com/warhammer/stats/
There you can see detailed breakdowns of classes, rank and population stats for all the remaining NA based servers. Draw your own conclusions as you may.
LOL! So you show a post from someone which could be you or just another players that does not want to work as a team. And if memory serves last I checked even people without a active subscription have been able to post. What does that mean? Well just that, the post means nothing.
If you start a healer class, expect to heal stop expecting to be able to heal and dps. This is not like other MMOs where anyone can do anything because in those games there is no pvp balance.
BS if you don't like how they play, don't play one. Simple as that, some people like how they play others hate it. Play it or move on. IBs can take tons of hits, but they don't deal it anywhere close enough to hurt a player who knows to either ignore them or how to take them down.
See I love all these fanboy jabs. You love making personal attacks to validate opinions so have fun doing such. So let me get this right, a person makes a website and gets a bunch of useless stats, which he has no way of proving because Mythic is the only one who knows numbers? [/begin sarcasm] Nice. I would so much rather believe rumors and opinions then facts. [/end sarcasm]
This conversation is over, it is like speaking to a wall.
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LOL! So you show a post from someone which could be you or just another players that does not want to work as a team. And if memory serves last I checked even people without a active subscription have been able to post. What does that mean? Well just that, the post means nothing.
Really? O_o
That would be a sad thought. That would mean there's roughly a million people who could be posting on that forum to check on WAR every now and then yet you can still hear a pin fall most of the time.
Plus I hardly if ever see people asking about what the game is like etc on the OF, it's almost always people who just returned asking what happened to their server or where best to go or to find a good guild.
Edit: Browsed it a bit but I can't really find any indication that the OF allows non-subbed posters. Haven't found any discussion you would expect like 'Hey guys, what's new?" "should I come back?" etc etc. Then again, maybe I was int he wrong places (Server forums (seems the most likely to me), RvR forums)
LOL! So you show a post from someone which could be you or just another players that does not want to work as a team. And if memory serves last I checked even people without a active subscription have been able to post. What does that mean? Well just that, the post means nothing.
Really? O_o
That would be a sad thought. That would mean there's roughly a million people who could be posting on that forum to check on WAR every now and then yet you can still hear a pin fall most of the time.
Plus I hardly if ever see people asking about what the game is like etc on the OF, it's almost always people who just returned asking what happened to their server or where best to go or to find a good guild.
I am unsure if it was fixed but at one point it was open to inactive subscribers though not intentionally Most people that come back just either come back and check, or they read around and then either try again or not, that is why it may not be noticeable.
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So let me get this right, a person makes a website and gets a bunch of useless stats, which he has no way of proving because Mythic is the only one who knows numbers? [/begin sarcasm] Nice. I would so much rather believe rumors and opinions then facts. [/end sarcasm]
This conversation is over, it is like speaking to a wall.
You're kidding right? This is just the continuation of Warheap. Please tell me you know that name, otherwise just ask in game, someone will tell you. It's been around since shortly after the release of the game. But Warheap stopped getting updated so now there's this one, and it does exactly the same.
"Most people that come back just either come back and check, or they read around and then either try again or not, that is why it may not be noticeable."
No. Simply no. Even reading this forum that should already be clear, and it's the same on the VN and on WHA. There's always people coming back, asking for updates and what it's like now. I see no reason why the most logical place to ask those questions would have none of those questions whatsoever.
PS: Here's a video example of your 'nerfed to sh*t'' AoE:
Yes they are, you're wrong plain & simple. I see it on a daily basis by spamming scorched earth. Even after playing recently.
That is in no way their fault, it is a few factors:
It is there fault.. it's Mythics responsibility to provide an enjoyable experience to their subscriber base.. part of that includes providing a fair playfield. Planetside monitors & provides dynamic player capping per zone, so can WAR.
Lag can cause certain people to pop, nowhere has lag been an all in or nothing issue.
Latency on whos side? Because if the latency or missing upd packets were on my end EVERYONE would be skipping around.. not just specific targets who not only teleport away from me, but from everyone else & keep in mind you only see them port around when they start running away. Bottom line, it's too much of a coincidence to actually be one.
If you don't think so then please go and record yourself as a BW tearing a whole WB down
Nobody claimed a single BW could take out a WB... now you're just losing credibility at this point with me & sounding like someone who enjoys arguing by changing words around to continue arguing.
Zerging has been and hopefully always remains a valid strategy to overwhelm the enemy
Seriously you're the first person I've ever seen type/say this.. nobody likes being zerged.. and alot of people complain about how boring zerging is -- Zerging, fun? Lol
And I have played the game recently. I can easily to log into my account & provide a screenshot of something or perhaps a screenshot of my account showing my sub is canceled & runs out on the 12th of Feb.
And what exactly do you feel I have to gain by fabricating things about WAR? The fact is, i'm not.. hacking & exploiting is an issue, maybe your server is cheat-free(woohoo!) or you're just not perceptive enough to notice it... who knows.... if cheating isn't an issue, then why does warbuddy continue to exist & have a website? Obviously that alone is enough proof that people are using it because it would have to bring in some sort of revenue to continue to motivate the developer to keep updating it, I never claimed on a mass scale, but as mentioned before when a small guild who plays frequently enough it then becomes a huge issue since you run into them frequently.
Anyhow, I'm glad you enjoy WAR... keep playing it, I don't care, my post was intended to share my thoughts of the OP "Revival Process of WAR" and what I listed is what I feel needs to be done, atleast a point to start at.
disappointed to see that instead of hitching and stuttering what had been achived was an almost strobe-like effect, the hitching & stuttering had been broken up into smaller chunks but was still very much in effect, it actually caused me to feel sick after only a few hours playing it, I really wanted this game tio deliver but it's too shallow too boring & runs like a pig in treacle on even a reasonably specced pc let along a lower end system like mine is.
If this is your complaint then please upgrade your system before trying to play. This is not a game issue, nor a server issue at this point but a computer issue on your end. I play maxed out graphics with 60-90FPS. So it becomes increasingly obvious that the complaint you are wagering is not an issue with the game, but your own computer.
I agree with Spyder, I have a 3 year old system! War runs perfect with no lag for me. I use a duel core computer tooo! Thought it was to be bad for gaming. I recommend getting your computer up to date. I use broadband a DC processer 4gigs of ram and a 59.99 1g video card from Radeon. Game runs perfect! Reminder, this computer is 3 tears old!
So yes, get a better computer or upgrade what you got!
Spyder, I think you're letting your enthusiasm for WAR cloud your opinions. Cheating has been a problem in WAR since day 1. It took them almost a year to get a handle on the hack program WARBuddy (if they indeed do have a handle on it now -it doesn't seem to be as big a problem). Using that program it was indeed possible to move in ways that made it very obvious a player was cheating (there's a YouTube video advertising it's features out there - check Google). Beyond hacking, there are definately still exploits that would explain the effect Sweaty is talking about. Screen-dragging or something like it existed in DAoC and was in WAR again from Day 1. It's a method of intentionally lagging out your own client for a brief period so that your avatar warps around in the game world. I've seen it done and it is really frustrating to fight against as a melee character. As to PBAoE, it's still a very powerful and viable tactic. The two main specs for BW / Sorc are a Close Quarters bomb spec or a long range Focused Mind spec. The latter is in keeping with the "glass cannon" idea for the two mage-types, but with the addition of the Guard function they are both far too survivable in melee ranges for the amount of power they wield. If you don't realize that - you're not being honest about the state of the game. You're right about GTAoE like Rain of Fire and Pit of Shades - the devs did render those far closer to balanced months ago, but on balance the two mage archetypes are still disproportionately powerful compared to the other RDPS. And that is only one example of the poor class balance job done by Mythic. While the BW / Sorc are the most out there, check Winkl's stats for the bottom-rung archetypes across all Tier 4. They've been the same classes for the life time of the game. Magus, Blackguard, Maurader and Shadow Warrior have been the absolute poorest classes of all for their entire existence. Not to mention several pretty dense mechanic / role choices that make Black Orks, Swordmaster, Zealots and Runepriests rather unpleasant to play - if not outright breaking the class. Finally, while most of the (remaining few) servers are pretty close to balanced in overall population - Mythic certainly deserves to wear it for not considering the fact that overall balance doesn't matter when you've got wild swings in active population with absolutely no method of correction or balance implemented. It's not much fun for either side when the zerg is rolling, and with their experience from DAoC I would have hoped Mythic would have at least attempted to code in some limiters or balancing factors to make the zerg less of a factor. Sadly they did not, and in fact have steadily made choices that empower the zerg rather than limit it. WAR was and remains a lot of fun, but to ignore or downplay these valid criticisms is not right either - it's simply a knee-jerk reactionary response to criticism.
Once again I agree with Spyder. I see you have not played lately and are only here to bash. I am currently in T2. My Magus which you say is a very poor class kicks total burr! I think your reasoning is biased. I know without a doubt you either have not played recently. Or you do not know how to play a character class.
I love my RVR with both my T2 Magus and my T1 soon to be T2 Blackgaurd!
@ Pheace: "Apart from the fact that Mythic is now under the arm/head/shoulder ... (how do you say that again? xD)" Under the thumb is the expression ^^ Took me a while to work out what you meant, hehe.
Haha, That's not the one I was going for I think
I mean in the sense that you're caring/protecting someone.
Heh - yeah Pheace, "wing" is what you're aiming for.
Originally posted by xpowderx
Once again I agree with Spyder. I see you have not played lately and are only here to bash. I am currently in T2. My Magus which you say is a very poor class kicks total burr! I think your reasoning is biased. I know without a doubt you either have not played recently. Or you do not know how to play a character class. I love my RVR with both my T2 Magus and my T1 soon to be T2 Blackgaurd!
Tier 1 and 2 are barely a third of the way into the game. Get back to me when you hit Tier 4.
I was in the beta for WAR, I loved endgame, but when the game went live I found that getting to endgame was incredibly linear. Have they fixed that? Because if they have I'm all for it. Oh and I hated that so many grear pieces looked identical within a tier.
Originally posted by GTwander:
How are you an MMO? Or any of us for that matter?
I say we strike all users from the site for not being MMOs.
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I played when this when it first came out,subbed for a few months too,I had a good time with it just got bored after awhile.Just reinstalled it today ,the game is looking and playing much better than it did on release.
If anyone hasnt already tried this then now would be a good time to.Unlimited free trial of the first tier is plain nuts,this for me and alot of people from what ive read is the best bit of the game.What makes this even crazier is that paying customers are crying out for a way to halt leveling xD
Sure there's a few limitations like gear,loots and ranks but there's still a shed load of fun to be had here! Best of all it's FREE!!! Come and join the revival of a awesome pvp game
OP, thank you.
I played WAR at launch and honestly that wasn't that bad, even some parts were very fun. And no need to grind gold to be able to buy stuff was just great.
Right now I'm looking at my WAR box and seriously considering to unleash the beast a second time.
What kind of rewards, other than item rewards, are being offered for PvP? I'm speaking of less shallow material rewards, and more rewards based on realm pride and actual territory gained/held. My main problem with WARs PvP at launch was that it was basically just a means to level up and get item upgrades. Which is fine. There are plenty of games out that do the same thing. I guess I was just expecting more from a game that's main focus was on factional warfare.
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I have been playing recently for about a month from when I resubbed to check out the new patch & spent my time finished leveling up my Marauder to rank 40 & because I'm not satisfied I canceled again.
1) Cheating is worse now than before, atleast on my North American server it is. What I listed in my original post were things I just witnessed happening 2-3 days ago when I last played before deciding to quit again. And it was happening on a daily basis.
2) AoE is still too powerful. Granted that's my opinion, but my opinion is shared by many others on a daily basis. 4-5 BWs taking out entire warbands(or more) by spamming scorched earth is too much.
3)Class balance is still an issue with some classes.
4)There's nothing stable about logging on one evening to hear there's over 200 order attacking a keep when Destro can only manage to put together 1 warband. Again, I'm certain I'm on another server than you since you consider yours to be mostly stable.
1) Cheating will always be there, but not once have I seen it. Exploits are a different story.
2) AoE WAS too powerful, BW's USED TO be able to do that, not anymore, not for several months.
3) This game is group oriented in solo pvp there will always be a class that will beat yours. The game is balanced around group combat.
4) Play on a proper server, there is 4 left that are decent, and the largest is Badlands. The population at least on that server is stable. Growing and recovering slowly, but definitely not losing people or not enough to matter. I scan populations constantly.
Before you continue to reply, please look over patch notes, and make sure you are on a decent population server, and then ensure you are not lagging as that can make it seem someone is cheating. Terrain exploiting is all I have ever seen that could even resemble cheating. I been with the game since Beta, and have 3 accounts 2 CE's and one standard. This goes to show not only do I like the game, but I have tons of hope for it.
Population is the ONLY issue I see besides lack of content updates. This game has the most balanced PvP of any game and is the only one with a great PvP system. I have tried 100's of MMOs. Try it, like it, play it. Try it, hate it, post constructively with facts so it can be improved, and leave. No need to stay and bash a game you hate and want nothing to do with, or stay with one you do not like. Leave those that enjoy it to continue to play and enjoy it.
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1)I'm glad you haven't seen it.. wish I've never seen it, but unfortunately I always see it on a daily basis from a select few players. Exploits are no different, it's still cheating, ie:macroing to bypass the gcd with multiple attacks.
2)AoE is still too powerful... I'm not the only one that shares this same sentiment, just because you don't doesn't mean it's fine. AoE is still a complaint in general. If you feel it's okay for 4 BWs to take down 1-2 warbands by spamming scorched earth, well.. you're entitled to your opinion.
3)You might want to reread my reason(s) behind class balance, your response to it isn't consistent with my concerns as they were more focused within all roles in oRvR, not between solo or group. Not really sure how you became confused here.
4)Rerolling from scratch to "Play on a proper server" is not the solution. It's not my responsibility to make sure I pick a 'proper server', it's mythics responsibility to make sure both sides are close in numbers when engaging in oRvR zones.
And I'm not lagging.. if I was lagging.. and please read this very carefully & multiple times if necessary... if I was lagging while attacking my target, which would make them appear to teleport out of my melee range.. then how come players around me aren't teleporting with him? How come they don't skip up 10-15ft forward & stay in melee range as well? You know where they're at? They're still back with me, 10-15ft behind said target. Again, and I repeat.. it's only specific players I see doing this, but all it takes is a small guild of players using these hacks to ruin a game if they play very frequently because you end up encountering them frequently as a result.
And these are forums.. I'm allowed to share my opinion.. it's called socializing. Just like how you state "This game has the most balanced PvP of any game and is the only one with a great PvP system" -- That's your opinion, not a fact... however, you're allowed to believe that.
And I did create a constructive post listing my concerns about the game that made me cancel my sub again, but would return if they were fixed... I'm not bashing WAR & I don't hate it.. I'm actually disappointed it didn't live up to what it could have been.
one thing i found very important are the two setting one is brightness and the other look like a checker board
those have to be set in the proper order ,once i did that men the look of the game is very diff from what i had at default
lot more dark and gloomy kind of cool!
@Sweaty
BWs, I repeat ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL AN ENTIRE WB. They used to be able to, this proves that you have not played recently. LOL, you are blaming Mythic for there not being even numbers in oRvR?
That is in no way their fault, it is a few factors:
1, server selection,
2, time of day,
3, what people feel like doing.
Blaming Mythic for that is just outrageous. All the issues you are complaining about calling hacking is LAG. Lag can cause certain people to pop, nowhere has lag been an all in or nothing issue. I have seen lag cause whole groups to seem to pop, and other times only certain people, there is not only your lag, but the other players lag as well.
PvP system, yes that is opinion but lets look at the FACTS.
First off it is the only one you have a chance to get gear, levels, and etc. From level one by doing PvP. You may share opinions but at the same time, please for the love of god base it on the game in its current state and not what you remember, everything mentioned as being a balance issue from you was fixed, and obviously you have not played since then. Cheating issues mentioned look, and sound like lag issues. Lag can cause all kinds of issues not limited to teleporting around, lower FPS, accidental exploitation, etc... To call people a hacker for stuff happening without knowing yours and theirs AND the servers network connections hen you cannot say they are hacking or cheating.
Opinions are one thing, facts are another, outdated facts or opinions are also separate. Also exaggeration comes into play. So while voicing your opinion get your facts straight, and try before speaking, and understand before posting.
If you continue to think you are right then lets end this by agreeing to disagree, just don't try to tear the game to pieces with the above.
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dont know if its better since i never passed lvl 5 i did try their endless trial and for some weird reason it just doesnt seem to grab me .i couldnt say why tho!
Question: Did you do any oRvR? How about SCs? The PvE in this game is fine, but is is just like other MMOs except for a few functions so if you did not reach the RvR(PvP) then I could easily see why you would think that.
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Spyder, I think you're letting your enthusiasm for WAR cloud your opinions.
Cheating has been a problem in WAR since day 1. It took them almost a year to get a handle on the hack program WARBuddy (if they indeed do have a handle on it now -it doesn't seem to be as big a problem). Using that program it was indeed possible to move in ways that made it very obvious a player was cheating (there's a YouTube video advertising it's features out there - check Google).
Beyond hacking, there are definately still exploits that would explain the effect Sweaty is talking about. Screen-dragging or something like it existed in DAoC and was in WAR again from Day 1. It's a method of intentionally lagging out your own client for a brief period so that your avatar warps around in the game world. I've seen it done and it is really frustrating to fight against as a melee character.
As to PBAoE, it's still a very powerful and viable tactic. The two main specs for BW / Sorc are a Close Quarters bomb spec or a long range Focused Mind spec. The latter is in keeping with the "glass cannon" idea for the two mage-types, but with the addition of the Guard function they are both far too survivable in melee ranges for the amount of power they wield. If you don't realize that - you're not being honest about the state of the game. You're right about GTAoE like Rain of Fire and Pit of Shades - the devs did render those far closer to balanced months ago, but on balance the two mage archetypes are still disproportionately powerful compared to the other RDPS.
And that is only one example of the poor class balance job done by Mythic. While the BW / Sorc are the most out there, check Winkl's stats for the bottom-rung archetypes across all Tier 4. They've been the same classes for the life time of the game. Magus, Blackguard, Maurader and Shadow Warrior have been the absolute poorest classes of all for their entire existence. Not to mention several pretty dense mechanic / role choices that make Black Orks, Swordmaster, Zealots and Runepriests rather unpleasant to play - if not outright breaking the class.
Finally, while most of the (remaining few) servers are pretty close to balanced in overall population - Mythic certainly deserves to wear it for not considering the fact that overall balance doesn't matter when you've got wild swings in active population with absolutely no method of correction or balance implemented. It's not much fun for either side when the zerg is rolling, and with their experience from DAoC I would have hoped Mythic would have at least attempted to code in some limiters or balancing factors to make the zerg less of a factor. Sadly they did not, and in fact have steadily made choices that empower the zerg rather than limit it.
WAR was and remains a lot of fun, but to ignore or downplay these valid criticisms is not right either - it's simply a knee-jerk reactionary response to criticism.
Opinions based on the way the game was. That is all this is. Cheating was never a big issue and remains to be a non issue.
AoE was nerfed to shit. If you don't think so then please go and record yourself as a BW tearing a whole WB down make sure to have the date on the screen, because it has not, and does not happen since the nerf. Just because a classes role is that of a healer, or a tank as you mention a few and you wish to play them as something they were never meant to be do not make them broken nor does it make them unplayable. I have a Rune Priest, damage was never a factor they are pure healers. That is the way they were made, that is how you will play them. Black Orc is a tank, play it as such or expect to get mad because you thought they were a hit taking damage dealer. All of what you claim and say in defense of his opinions are biased, and untrue in the games current state. Zerging is a choice it can be prevented, sadly players don't want to work together properly and only seek to complain. Mythic should not ever get involved in a strategic way of playing. Zerging has been and hopefully always remains a valid strategy to overwhelm the enemy, armies in real life use it and so do players in the game, fighting them off as a group is the only way to beat it. All MMOs will have exploits, never will there be one without any, some that have been in WoW for instance are still there, same with UO they are inevitable.
End of story stop reliving the past, and for the love of god get up to date on how the game is currently.
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Ah - my mistake. I supposed I might be talking to someone that didn't want to have their head in the sand. At least you'll keep your ears warm down there.
I guess if bomb groups "do not and have not happened since the nerf" it should be pretty darn difficult to find any sort of comment on them on the forum......oh wait, on the first page no less:
http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=tier_4&thread.id=30842
(By the by, I don't run a BW or a Sorc, I run the other fantastically useful and poorly balanced Order class - the WP.)
RP / Zeal (which I also have one of) are problematic because they are simply boring, not to mention diametrically opposed to the original philosophy of there being no classes that go "I heal and I heal". For what they are they work - which is a far better situation than the aforementioned SW / MARA / Magus / Blackguard bunch.
BO and Swordmaster have a pain-in-the-ass mechanic that limits them to about a third of their usable abilities at any given time. As such, if you want a particular effect - you may or may not be in the right stance / plan to use it, and RvR doesn't exactly wait for you to come back around to it.
BTW - Ironbreaker is a tank too, but seems to play pretty damn well as a hit taking damage dealer.
A fan is somebody who enjoys a game but recognizes its problems and can have a rational discussion about them. A fanboy is someone that slavishly defends their game regardless of reality. Guess which one you're coming off as?
Note: for anyone that's still seriously reading this thread for informational purposes, this site is probably the best thing you could look at when judging the current state of WAR: http://pauser.com/warhammer/stats/
There you can see detailed breakdowns of classes, rank and population stats for all the remaining NA based servers. Draw your own conclusions as you may.
LOL! So you show a post from someone which could be you or just another players that does not want to work as a team. And if memory serves last I checked even people without a active subscription have been able to post. What does that mean? Well just that, the post means nothing.
If you start a healer class, expect to heal stop expecting to be able to heal and dps. This is not like other MMOs where anyone can do anything because in those games there is no pvp balance.
BS if you don't like how they play, don't play one. Simple as that, some people like how they play others hate it. Play it or move on. IBs can take tons of hits, but they don't deal it anywhere close enough to hurt a player who knows to either ignore them or how to take them down.
See I love all these fanboy jabs. You love making personal attacks to validate opinions so have fun doing such. So let me get this right, a person makes a website and gets a bunch of useless stats, which he has no way of proving because Mythic is the only one who knows numbers? [/begin sarcasm] Nice. I would so much rather believe rumors and opinions then facts. [/end sarcasm]
This conversation is over, it is like speaking to a wall.
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Really? O_o
That would be a sad thought. That would mean there's roughly a million people who could be posting on that forum to check on WAR every now and then yet you can still hear a pin fall most of the time.
Plus I hardly if ever see people asking about what the game is like etc on the OF, it's almost always people who just returned asking what happened to their server or where best to go or to find a good guild.
Edit: Browsed it a bit but I can't really find any indication that the OF allows non-subbed posters. Haven't found any discussion you would expect like 'Hey guys, what's new?" "should I come back?" etc etc. Then again, maybe I was int he wrong places (Server forums (seems the most likely to me), RvR forums)
I am unsure if it was fixed but at one point it was open to inactive subscribers though not intentionally Most people that come back just either come back and check, or they read around and then either try again or not, that is why it may not be noticeable.
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You're kidding right? This is just the continuation of Warheap. Please tell me you know that name, otherwise just ask in game, someone will tell you. It's been around since shortly after the release of the game. But Warheap stopped getting updated so now there's this one, and it does exactly the same.
"Most people that come back just either come back and check, or they read around and then either try again or not, that is why it may not be noticeable."
No. Simply no. Even reading this forum that should already be clear, and it's the same on the VN and on WHA. There's always people coming back, asking for updates and what it's like now. I see no reason why the most logical place to ask those questions would have none of those questions whatsoever.
PS: Here's a video example of your 'nerfed to sh*t'' AoE:
Warhammer Online - Bright Wizard - Cauterized Vol 1 - 40
www.youtube.com/watch
BWs, I repeat ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL AN ENTIRE WB
Yes they are, you're wrong plain & simple. I see it on a daily basis by spamming scorched earth. Even after playing recently.
That is in no way their fault, it is a few factors:
It is there fault.. it's Mythics responsibility to provide an enjoyable experience to their subscriber base.. part of that includes providing a fair playfield. Planetside monitors & provides dynamic player capping per zone, so can WAR.
Lag can cause certain people to pop, nowhere has lag been an all in or nothing issue.
Latency on whos side? Because if the latency or missing upd packets were on my end EVERYONE would be skipping around.. not just specific targets who not only teleport away from me, but from everyone else & keep in mind you only see them port around when they start running away. Bottom line, it's too much of a coincidence to actually be one.
If you don't think so then please go and record yourself as a BW tearing a whole WB down
Nobody claimed a single BW could take out a WB... now you're just losing credibility at this point with me & sounding like someone who enjoys arguing by changing words around to continue arguing.
Zerging has been and hopefully always remains a valid strategy to overwhelm the enemy
Seriously you're the first person I've ever seen type/say this.. nobody likes being zerged.. and alot of people complain about how boring zerging is -- Zerging, fun? Lol
And I have played the game recently. I can easily to log into my account & provide a screenshot of something or perhaps a screenshot of my account showing my sub is canceled & runs out on the 12th of Feb.
And what exactly do you feel I have to gain by fabricating things about WAR? The fact is, i'm not.. hacking & exploiting is an issue, maybe your server is cheat-free(woohoo!) or you're just not perceptive enough to notice it... who knows.... if cheating isn't an issue, then why does warbuddy continue to exist & have a website? Obviously that alone is enough proof that people are using it because it would have to bring in some sort of revenue to continue to motivate the developer to keep updating it, I never claimed on a mass scale, but as mentioned before when a small guild who plays frequently enough it then becomes a huge issue since you run into them frequently.
Anyhow, I'm glad you enjoy WAR... keep playing it, I don't care, my post was intended to share my thoughts of the OP "Revival Process of WAR" and what I listed is what I feel needs to be done, atleast a point to start at.
If this is your complaint then please upgrade your system before trying to play. This is not a game issue, nor a server issue at this point but a computer issue on your end. I play maxed out graphics with 60-90FPS. So it becomes increasingly obvious that the complaint you are wagering is not an issue with the game, but your own computer.
I agree with Spyder, I have a 3 year old system! War runs perfect with no lag for me. I use a duel core computer tooo! Thought it was to be bad for gaming. I recommend getting your computer up to date. I use broadband a DC processer 4gigs of ram and a 59.99 1g video card from Radeon. Game runs perfect! Reminder, this computer is 3 tears old!
So yes, get a better computer or upgrade what you got!
Once again I agree with Spyder. I see you have not played lately and are only here to bash. I am currently in T2. My Magus which you say is a very poor class kicks total burr! I think your reasoning is biased. I know without a doubt you either have not played recently. Or you do not know how to play a character class.
I love my RVR with both my T2 Magus and my T1 soon to be T2 Blackgaurd!
@ Pheace:
"Apart from the fact that Mythic is now under the arm/head/shoulder ... (how do you say that again? xD)"
Under the thumb is the expression ^^ Took me a while to work out what you meant, hehe.
Haha, That's not the one I was going for I think
I mean in the sense that you're caring/protecting someone.
Wing! Is it wing? Suddenly popped in my head xD
Heh - yeah Pheace, "wing" is what you're aiming for.
Tier 1 and 2 are barely a third of the way into the game. Get back to me when you hit Tier 4.
I was in the beta for WAR, I loved endgame, but when the game went live I found that getting to endgame was incredibly linear. Have they fixed that? Because if they have I'm all for it. Oh and I hated that so many grear pieces looked identical within a tier.
Originally posted by GTwander:
How are you an MMO? Or any of us for that matter?
I say we strike all users from the site for not being MMOs.