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Ensidia Banned For Exploits!
Dawnherald
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Ensidia's got banned for using saronite bombs during the Lich King encounter, as they repair the area and make it a lot easier to move around in. They also got the achievements and items removed!
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Good.
I'm not that surprised tbh, it isn't the first time Ensidia has been exposed for acting like this ingame.
Nice to see Blizzard take action though. Well played.
They really should've got banned for that gold buying business, at the least.
lol this time they got caught !i bet countless time they didnt !
A whole 3 day ban man that is brutal, lol what a joke. Exploiting should be a month at least.
Amazing how people always say that they didn't know what they were doing was wrong when anyone else can see that clearly.
I suppose I don't get it.
Why is using an in game weapon an exploit? Keep in mind I'm not a heavily versed wow player so "no" I don't know what saronite bombs are.
I imagine they are some sort of bomb.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Basically, the item caused certain mechanics of the encounter to reset and therefore made it considerably easier.
Basically, the item caused certain mechanics of the encounter to reset and therefore made it considerably easier.
Ok, so it's not that these bombs are bad but the caused a gltich, the glitch is easily recognizeable as a glitch but they continued to use them. Got it.
Also, I take it that Ensidia is a famous wow guild?
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I'm no WoW player, but let me get this straigth:
A guild finds a way within the game mechanics that allows them to kill a raid. Blizard does not agree about their way and cancels the whole item used and bans the players involved saying they eploited it..?
If the game allpws you to bring a bomb somewhere and use it, then it's not a flaw IMO. The designers should have made sure they'd check every item that could be brought in.
Okay, the designers are pissed because the whole raid (well, I guess it's a raid) didn't happen as it should, and that their time and effort to get the raid up & running is worth null and void now *hugs the developers*
...did I put the whole thing in a nutshell here..?
I think what they are saying is that it's not the use of the bomb per se, but that the bomb caused a glitch and one that was easily recognized as a glitch.
So, for instance, if I was to go into a raid and something glitched out while firing a bow at one of the minions causing all the mobs to stop fighting for a 5 seconds then using the bow is not the exploit but continuing to use it when you realize it is glitching out the raid is.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
IMHO it depends to a lot not only on what you can do but if you know what is supposed to be happen. If you know that what you are doing is an exploit and practically cheating, that you abuse a bug on purpose, then you deserve punishment. :P IMHO they should have their accounts terminated.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
Basically, the item caused certain mechanics of the encounter to reset and therefore made it considerably easier.
Ok, so it's not that these bombs are bad but the caused a gltich, the glitch is easily recognizeable as a glitch but they continued to use them. Got it.
Also, I take it that Ensidia is a famous wow guild?
They are basically known for their multiple world/server first kills over several past raids from vanilla wow to this day. Also, their previous guild name was Nihilum.
i honestly wonder if this had been any other guild would the outcome be the same ?
i bet not, i would confidently say that any other guild would of been terminated not just 72 hour ban.
I think what they are saying is that it's not the use of the bomb per se, but that the bomb caused a glitch and one that was easily recognized as a glitch.
So, for instance, if I was to go into a raid and something glitched out while firing a bow at one of the minions causing all the mobs to stop fighting for a 5 seconds then using the bow is not the exploit but continuing to use it when you realize it is glitching out the raid is.
Can anyone confirm that the bomb causes a glitch? What exactly is happening? If the bomb is working like it should and the players are using it in normal context, but the effects, and/or use of the bomb, was not expected by the developers then there is no fault to the player. I don't know the whole story, but from the minimal amount of info I have found it is looking like Blizzard might be the wrong party.
If the bomb is causing a glitch then using it isn't the issue, repeatedly using it is. Did they find an exploit then failed to report it and kept using it? That is a problem. If it was a one time thing then they shouldn't have their work revoked like that.
I don't agree with blizzards judgement. So what if they figured out a game mechanic that worked. If they didn't recieve a warning during these encounters about what they were doing they should of never been banned. If they were warned hey don't use Saronite Bombs again during your Lich King encounter than ok.
How could players not know something is working as intented anyway? They figured out the exploit sure enough, but still its the games company to fix and test these encounters for bugs, glitches, and other things before they release it.
This is the same thing with the Big Encounters of EQ, where players were figuring out boss mobs. And alot of them where at the time considered exploits upon thier defeats. GMs basically told the guild I was in at the time hey congrats on the kill, but don't that anymore. And we will be fixing it next patch. Also, next time we fought the boss and we tried the same trick to beat it and we got wiped because the GMs didn't announce it was fixed so they got thier little laugh causing a wipe on us.
If they had gotten a warning not to use those bombs during the encounter and did it anyway ban deserved.
Otherwise BS to Blizzard, and congrats to Ensidia.
If sections of a dungeon are resetting when you are using this item, then it is pretty clear that there is a major bug there and you shouldn't be doing it.
The truth is players never want to accept the punishement when they know they've done wrong. They will fight it and cry about it and never accept it. Then people want to argue the shades of grey on how this could be different if this or that.
The simple fact is, if you do something in game and get a result that clearly shouldn't of happened then you have found a bug. Do that again and you are exploiting the bug you have found. It is that simple and it is always easy to know when what is happening is a bug. And no you don't get a warning when you exploit you get banned, and it should be a lot longer then 3 days.
It is clearly stated in every CoC and EULA that using bugs for any kind of gain is against the rules. It doesn't matter if you were the first to find it, and no it doesn't mean you can do it because the company didn't find it right away and fix it. You agree to those CoC and EULAs when you play, no ifs ands or buts.
still sounds like a load to me if they was using some third party hack or something i could see it but to give the fact that saronite bombs did that doesnt seem to me to be exploiting anything i mean who doesnt want a boss fight to go easier? who wouldnt use something that he has at hand quite frankly having played wow if i used anything in my inventory i would expect it to be allowed otherwise it should be greyed out or some restriction on the item
if anything removal of achievements and stuff sounds acceptable 3 day bans for ppl doing what anyone else would do in the same situation doesnt seem acceptable
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Some developer's/manager's pride was hurt... plain and simple. The killing of arthas was supposed to mean something, and because coding wasn't done right... it didn't fit that vision.
A group of people paid the price for someone-else's mistake.
This is a company that believes it has a right to punish others for their own screw-ups... rather than say "yeah, we didn't see that. It will be fixed, but enjoy what you have now."
I don't care about Nihilem/Ensidia and what they've done... I care that Blizzard doesn't want to admit that they messed up, and will instead claim that someone else performed an exploit.
yeah, if you notice something and don't report it... it's a bug...
But those bombs are used by numerous individuals EVERYWHERE. It's practically a staple of many builds/tactics.When that wasn't tested, even on the PTR, Blizzard has no one to blame but themselves and suck it up. Not lash out and pretend it made the right decision.
I remember original Blackwing Lair and Molten Core Raids... bugs everywhere and people used them. There were no bans or suspensions... only fixes.
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Because it needs to be posted.
Finally dear Blizzard:
Fix your goddamn buggy bullshit half-assed encounters. The amount of time and effort we dedicated to get through Wrath of the Lich king and Icecrown to see this guy die and take a turn at Arthas is just sick. To finally see him die only to have the ENTIRE raid banned is simply an insult. It's cheap enough to make a bugged fucking encounter, but to ban people when they do not know what's causing the bugs is just a fucking joke. Whoever came up with this sheer *fisting* of an idea can go fuck themselves. If you spent hours observing us in GM-mode when we beta-test the encounters for you on live, at least make sure you ban us for the right reason. Handing out suspensions when players encounter a portion of the game that is bugged is very short-sighted and insulting. There's been hundreds of thousands of bugs in this game up til now, and most people don't get banned, when just playing their game through the bugged content you throw in their face.
Shoving PTR down our throats every patch is one thing, it's fine that we fucking beta-test shit for you, but then you go and suspend players when they do content that was never tested on PTR, and happened to be bugged. Content which you don't bother quality-assuring more than sticking a fucking godmode GM and 5 test dummies into the encounter and blasting past the phases without using abilities. Give me a break. You know more than us that we kept using our normal rotations and didn't do anything out of the ordinary. Why would we bother trying to kill valkyrs every attempt, and have the bug happen on only about half of them before wiping? You think we wanted to waste attempts if we knew how to exploit this clusterfuck of an encounter of yours?
Do me a favor so I don't waste my guild's time on this kind of jackass fuck-fest again, send me an email at mupp@gavle.to when you decide to A) Implement an encounter that wasn't designed by a retarded chimp chained to a cubicle
Rethink your fucking bullshit. Fix all the buggy motherfucking ICC encounters (I suggest you let whoever made the Blood Queen one do this since that dude apparently laid off the crack the rest of you were smoking). Fix fucking arenas, or better yet, remove that shit. Fix heroic modes (just guessing it's fucked up considering your track record). Don't have the resources to fix this stuff? Move the ENTIRE Cataclysm team over to fixing Icecrown Citadel AND DO IT NOW. If you don't fix this shit, you jackassess together with the 2 month-subscribers will be the only ones playing Cataclysm.
You got 1 week.
Thank you Blizzard, for these 5 years, but also, fuck you Blizzard, for these 5 years.
I just got banned, and I liked it.
The bombs caused sections of the floor that were previously destroyed to be rebuild. A big part of the fight was that the floor would be destroyed and thus make the fight harder as time went by. Thus using bombs to repair masonry allowed to eliminate the time pressure and make the fight much easier. If that is not a really big flag that the encounter is glitched then I do not know that is.
Just because something is possible, doesn't mean it is within the rules of the game.
If someone uses bombs all the time for some extra damage, then no problem. If for some reason that same bomb in the next encounter causes the boss to lose the ability to attack, summon adds or in this case, remove major mechanics from the encounter, then it is obviously a bug.
It doesn't take rocket science for a player to figure out that an encounter was not designed around having gross amounts of engineers with a specific item to accomplish victory.
I have been in some big raiding guilds that competed for world firsts and trust me when I say that they know exactly what they are doing is against the rules. Every member may not know what is going on, but the leadership certainly does.
Due to the 1 minute cooldown on the bombs, I bet you there was a major upswing in engineers for that guild prior to this encounter.
Really? Banning a raid for using an item for extra dps (they are pure added dps, they don't trigger the global cooldown or stop you, being perfectly fine to be used in your rotation)? They should have removed the items and achievements while apologizing for their design glitch and asking them to do it again (and letting them skip all the trash and previous bosses for one attempt), the 3-day ban being symbolic as it is will just put the community against Ensidia, though people do love to say they're not that honest (could be simple envy, or not).
But Blizzard apologizing for anything being their fault is a very rare occasion as far as I remember.
Just because something is possible, doesn't mean it is within the rules of the game.
If someone uses bombs all the time for some extra damage, then no problem. If for some reason that same bomb in the next encounter causes the boss to lose the ability to attack, summon adds or in this case, remove major mechanics from the encounter, then it is obviously a bug.
It doesn't take rocket science for a player to figure out that an encounter was not designed around having gross amounts of engineers with a specific item to accomplish victory.
I have been in some big raiding guilds that competed for world firsts and trust me when I say that they know exactly what they are doing is against the rules. Every member may not know what is going on, but the leadership certainly does.
Due to the 1 minute cooldown on the bombs, I bet you there was a major upswing in engineers for that guild prior to this encounter.
yea but blame the people doing it? how can it even be labeled as wrong when it is allowed to be used in the first place i mean this is supposdly why ppl test this stuff and usually someone abusing a glitch doesnt get banned for it they just fix it sounds to me like blizz had someone else in mind for this "world first"
See, and that's the problem.
Something is possible, I'm going to do it.
If you don't like it, fix the content so I can't do it anymore.
Yeah, i'll be sad... but hey you fixed it.
Here: Blizzard punished people for something that was obviously Blizzard's fault.
Blizzard punished people for exploiting a bug, seems fair to me.
Lots of things are possible, such as robbing banks. Don't expect a free pass though.
i just dont believe that all you people are the degenerates you're acting like here. You cant all possibly believe it's all blizzards fault. "Oh, i didnt KNOW that being able to 1 shot 80's with this white gun i found while killing peons in durotar was a glitch, I JUST THOUGHT I WAS THAT AWESOME!!" come on...
but either way..my question is..how do you walk around being all proud of it? I dont mind as much that they used a glitch because that's just something that could be fixed. But, to then run to mmo-champ post your pics talk the big game is very telling as to the character of the players involved. How can you be proud of that? Just one more loser group of loser people.