I have to wonder if the Carebears have won, The producers letter doesn't seem to bode well and from talking to Friends at Ncsoft ganking seems to be on the chopping block, "Americans want a social game" is currently being chanted at NCsoft west, and was the reason the so called Vision trailer was released to give Rainbow Bright and Paddington bear hope for the future. So They let you flag yourself a no participant in Rifts, or worse provide PVE servers where all of the victims will run to.....seriously WTF has become of NCsoft...in L II they told the west to suck it, now We are getting ready to build houses and ride giant Squirrels just like Tinkerbell, all because Ncsoft is afraid of what SS is going to do in the next lameass version of FF
Somebody fucking shoot me now.
Game was never meant to be a hardcore pvp game.
I'll say it once again as I said it before launch... serious pvp players will be dissapointed and PvE players will not be thrilled.
The game is supposed to balance for both playstyles. That has always been their intent.
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I enjoyed aion and enjoy the pvp, not nobody enjoys getting ganked by a higher level. I swear, every enemies i encountered is always 10+ level higher and always get a first shot when were busy fighting monsters. I never goten into a fair fight other than a duel. Calling us carebare just because we dont want to be gank by a high level with no chance of winning is complete bullshit, only the one who likes to gank would called us that. I quit this game because I couldnt even level up with all the enemies group of players camping us 24/7 plus the endless grinding and bots. Im sure being a high level ganking bunch of low levels would be fun, but thats making 1 person happy while bunch of others angry, of coures the angry persons wound win the vote. Just a though of giving us level boost to fight enemies player would be better than this change. Just a though
Personally if a pve server is added it doesn't effect me...but if NCsoft doesn't doesnt do something about the lack of fair pvp in their so called pvp MMO theres no way I'll be returning anytime soon. I got tired of looking for pvp and only finding higher level gankers in the abyss... And rifting? The rifts are way to hard to find imo...once again got tired of looking for pvp.
The graphics and gameplay are great (yes I enjoyed the slow leveling) but something has to be done about the lack of pvp overall if NCsoft hopes to keep the pvpers around for long.
I have to wonder if the Carebears have won, The producers letter doesn't seem to bode well and from talking to Friends at Ncsoft ganking seems to be on the chopping block, "Americans want a social game" is currently being chanted at NCsoft west, and was the reason the so called Vision trailer was released to give Rainbow Bright and Paddington bear hope for the future. So They let you flag yourself a no participant in Rifts, or worse provide PVE servers where all of the victims will run to.....seriously WTF has become of NCsoft...in L II they told the west to suck it, now We are getting ready to build houses and ride giant Squirrels just like Tinkerbell, all because Ncsoft is afraid of what SS is going to do in the next lameass version of FF
Somebody fucking shoot me now.
If you want a real PvP game play Darkfall.
Otherwise just suck it up, those big companies will always go Vanilla which is the bigger audiance apparently.
On another note, I left Aion because of the boring grind (PvE), so not sure PvP is the area they should focus...................
I have to wonder if the Carebears have won, The producers letter doesn't seem to bode well and from talking to Friends at Ncsoft ganking seems to be on the chopping block, "Americans want a social game" is currently being chanted at NCsoft west, and was the reason the so called Vision trailer was released to give Rainbow Bright and Paddington bear hope for the future. So They let you flag yourself a no participant in Rifts, or worse provide PVE servers where all of the victims will run to.....seriously WTF has become of NCsoft...in L II they told the west to suck it, now We are getting ready to build houses and ride giant Squirrels just like Tinkerbell, all because Ncsoft is afraid of what SS is going to do in the next lameass version of FF
Somebody fucking shoot me now.
If you want a real PvP game play Darkfall.
Otherwise just suck it up, those big companies will always go Vanilla which is the bigger audiance apparently.
On another note, I left Aion because of the boring grind (PvE), so not sure PvP is the area they should focus...................
Agreed. I left Aion for DF not long ago. The more I play the more I realize how truely lacking the pvp in Aion is at the moment. PvP content in DF and Aion is like night and day unfortionately..
I love how everyone magically has these "Inside Sources" at every company and just knows these things. Well my "Inside Sources" at NC Soft West say that tours are wrong. I also checked with my inside sources at Bioware just to confirm this and they agreed. To go a step further, I am about to check with my inside sources that work with God to get the real scoop.
There's nothing in that January address that even hints at these things. They talk about refining content, adding content and doing more events before it shifts to account service apperance and gender changes.
I'll buy into these things when I see something a lot more official then inside sources that appear to be no more credible than mine.
I love how everyone magically has these "Inside Sources" at every company and just knows these things. Well my "Inside Sources" at NC Soft West say that tours are wrong. I also checked with my inside sources at Bioware just to confirm this and they agreed. To go a step further, I am about to check with my inside sources that work with God to get the real scoop. There's nothing in that January address that even hints at these things. They talk about refining content, adding content and doing more events before it shifts to account service apperance and gender changes. I'll buy into these things when I see something a lot more official then inside sources that appear to be no more credible than mine.
they don't mean inside sources. I've linked a few korean websites on this board to have no one respond to it cause they don't understand it. Maybe he's not linking them for that same reason.
Consider the following quote from a recent dev interview.
""One of our early design goals was to make a game that would support a “pyramid” of users: a wide base of more casual players, narrowing upward to a minority of hardcore users that would play Aion with real fervor. ""
As it stands this mess that is AION has totally failed at this design goal. In fact, the entire game, which they touted as being a mixture of western and eastern design elements ended up being completely eastern. The koreans didnt allow for western design to take root even though the publisher tried to paint that image.
What you end up having is a game that is designed best for the korean business model, which is pay per hour, compared to our pay per month. Thus they create a game that squeezes every possible hour out of the players in korea, who also prefer linearity in their design.
This is a problem for western gamers who dont take that kind of design with a smile. Time sinks are good, but they should not be forced as the main means of play, rather the optional meat of the product.
AION has shown to have a huge female following as well, the game is designed in such a way artistically, that it resonates with the female population of mmorpg gamers. Females prefer more social dynamic elements in games, and if NCwest decides to cater to the type of western audience with females gamers as well, then yes housing is needed.
PvPvE is a broken mechanic unless they can do it properly and it has to be a choice. One of WoW's strong points is that it can successfully give the players a balanced pvp experience as well as an imbalanced one. Im talking about world pvp and instanced pvp. This is important, players need to be able to enjoy the game in a safe environment and a dangerous one. Thing is, reward the dangerous one more so than the safe one, but both need to be present.
The game needs dynamic elements, less grind, more variety in class builds and choice and most importantly, polish.
I love how everyone magically has these "Inside Sources" at every company and just knows these things. Well my "Inside Sources" at NC Soft West say that tours are wrong. I also checked with my inside sources at Bioware just to confirm this and they agreed. To go a step further, I am about to check with my inside sources that work with God to get the real scoop. There's nothing in that January address that even hints at these things. They talk about refining content, adding content and doing more events before it shifts to account service apperance and gender changes. I'll buy into these things when I see something a lot more official then inside sources that appear to be no more credible than mine.
What a deep well of inside sources
But this is the reality. Don't believe bullshit written by people.
I have to wonder if the Carebears have won, The producers letter doesn't seem to bode well and from talking to Friends at Ncsoft ganking seems to be on the chopping block, "Americans want a social game" is currently being chanted at NCsoft west, and was the reason the so called Vision trailer was released to give Rainbow Bright and Paddington bear hope for the future. So They let you flag yourself a no participant in Rifts, or worse provide PVE servers where all of the victims will run to.....seriously WTF has become of NCsoft...in L II they told the west to suck it, now We are getting ready to build houses and ride giant Squirrels just like Tinkerbell, all because Ncsoft is afraid of what SS is going to do in the next lameass version of FF
Somebody fucking shoot me now.
Welcome to America!!
The west is a vastly different culture when it comes to online games. It is seen more as a hobby rather than a way of life. I am much more surprised that NCsoft actually has someone on board that recognizes the disparity.
i say let the players that wanna PvE go to their own server. The only players probably upset about this are the ones that gank and grief noobs because they lack and real pvp skills.
I see them getting a larger population base by adding a PvE server. I would actually think about purchasing the game.
This is it exactly. There are a huge amount of players that want PvP only. NCSoft is trying to get more players so the obvious choice is to give those players what they want. It's about economics....profits and that's pretty much it. I really enjoyed AION for the first 20 or so levels then not so much after that. I have yet to see a game where PvP is well balanced.
I see them getting a larger population base by adding a PvE server. I would actually think about purchasing the game.
This is it exactly. There are a huge amount of players that want PvP only. NCSoft is trying to get more players so the obvious choice is to give those players what they want. It's about economics....profits and that's pretty much it. I really enjoyed AION for the first 20 or so levels then not so much after that. I have yet to see a game where PvP is well balanced.
PvE server is even more dependent on content which is seriously lacking in Aion.
guys, take a look at the OPs posting history, 100% anti-NCSoft (well.. almost :P). Probably someone who got tired of L2 but cant find a modern version of it.
Because it's just no fucking fun to be going about a quest and then get ganked by some douchbag 20 levels above you.
I'm all for FFA PVP, but I have to agree with the above statement. It's simply no fun to get killed in seconds by an enemy you could not see coming and had no defense against even if you did.
and whats funny is this was something that was forseen when the game was still in cbt for na it was an issue long before it even came to the states and quite frankly was one reason i was turned off by the game before it even came out
but my cousin talked me into it and payed for half the game cost when it came out its been 4 months since then and him his wife and myself just ended up going back to gw
i left for many reasons including grind and the fact that drops are almost nil the biggest issue for me had to be the above statements
too many ppl just sitting waiting for ppl who are clearly way under them so they could wipe them entire parties going out on "ganking runs"
its just sad that someone would pay $50 to get into a game just so they can act superior to everyone else
they used to call them bullies and as we all know bullies beat up people weaker then them because they cant beat up anyone higher
they got a quest that requires you to make 5 level 30 characters. =p
I think that quest is mostly there to reward players who play a lot of alts.
Players don't have to have that armor.
oh but they do not alot mind you but i knew a few people who went alt crazy just for such armor my cousin was one of them til it became a fruitless endeavor you would have to be really fucking bored or anal to want to go through all the shit you have to go through for that armor
and honestly i really dont see it being rewarding at all just a big pain in the ass
they got a quest that requires you to make 5 level 30 characters. =p
I think that quest is mostly there to reward players who play a lot of alts.
Players don't have to have that armor.
oh but they do not alot mind you but i knew a few people who went alt crazy just for such armor my cousin was one of them til it became a fruitless endeavor you would have to be really fucking bored or anal to want to go through all the shit you have to go through for that armor
and honestly i really dont see it being rewarding at all just a big pain in the ass
Apparently someone wasn't around for the Holo-grind in pre-cu/nge SWG.
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Originally posted by KainisApparently someone wasn't around for the Holo-grind in pre-cu/nge SWG.
I might have been the only one, but I actually enjoyed that,... I got to play many of the classes I never had previous to that.
Also, at the end, there was a pretty nice reward for all the effort.
To my mind, they should have just added more than one "alpha" class in addition to Jedi, ..... Legendary BH, Crime Lord, Rebel/Imperial Commando.... whatever...
Instead, SOE got WoW fever.
Anyway, yeah, the grind in here was silly, silly long and for what payoff....?
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Game was never meant to be a hardcore pvp game.
I'll say it once again as I said it before launch... serious pvp players will be dissapointed and PvE players will not be thrilled.
The game is supposed to balance for both playstyles. That has always been their intent.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I enjoyed aion and enjoy the pvp, not nobody enjoys getting ganked by a higher level. I swear, every enemies i encountered is always 10+ level higher and always get a first shot when were busy fighting monsters. I never goten into a fair fight other than a duel. Calling us carebare just because we dont want to be gank by a high level with no chance of winning is complete bullshit, only the one who likes to gank would called us that. I quit this game because I couldnt even level up with all the enemies group of players camping us 24/7 plus the endless grinding and bots. Im sure being a high level ganking bunch of low levels would be fun, but thats making 1 person happy while bunch of others angry, of coures the angry persons wound win the vote. Just a though of giving us level boost to fight enemies player would be better than this change. Just a though
Personally if a pve server is added it doesn't effect me...but if NCsoft doesn't doesnt do something about the lack of fair pvp in their so called pvp MMO theres no way I'll be returning anytime soon. I got tired of looking for pvp and only finding higher level gankers in the abyss... And rifting? The rifts are way to hard to find imo...once again got tired of looking for pvp.
The graphics and gameplay are great (yes I enjoyed the slow leveling) but something has to be done about the lack of pvp overall if NCsoft hopes to keep the pvpers around for long.
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
If you want a real PvP game play Darkfall.
Otherwise just suck it up, those big companies will always go Vanilla which is the bigger audiance apparently.
On another note, I left Aion because of the boring grind (PvE), so not sure PvP is the area they should focus...................
If you want a real PvP game play Darkfall.
Otherwise just suck it up, those big companies will always go Vanilla which is the bigger audiance apparently.
On another note, I left Aion because of the boring grind (PvE), so not sure PvP is the area they should focus...................
Agreed. I left Aion for DF not long ago. The more I play the more I realize how truely lacking the pvp in Aion is at the moment. PvP content in DF and Aion is like night and day unfortionately..
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
I think your confused.
Rather he hit the nail right on the head.......
I love how everyone magically has these "Inside Sources" at every company and just knows these things. Well my "Inside Sources" at NC Soft West say that tours are wrong. I also checked with my inside sources at Bioware just to confirm this and they agreed. To go a step further, I am about to check with my inside sources that work with God to get the real scoop.
There's nothing in that January address that even hints at these things. They talk about refining content, adding content and doing more events before it shifts to account service apperance and gender changes.
I'll buy into these things when I see something a lot more official then inside sources that appear to be no more credible than mine.
they don't mean inside sources. I've linked a few korean websites on this board to have no one respond to it cause they don't understand it. Maybe he's not linking them for that same reason.
Consider the following quote from a recent dev interview.
""One of our early design goals was to make a game that would support a “pyramid” of users: a wide base of more casual players, narrowing upward to a minority of hardcore users that would play Aion with real fervor. ""
As it stands this mess that is AION has totally failed at this design goal. In fact, the entire game, which they touted as being a mixture of western and eastern design elements ended up being completely eastern. The koreans didnt allow for western design to take root even though the publisher tried to paint that image.
What you end up having is a game that is designed best for the korean business model, which is pay per hour, compared to our pay per month. Thus they create a game that squeezes every possible hour out of the players in korea, who also prefer linearity in their design.
This is a problem for western gamers who dont take that kind of design with a smile. Time sinks are good, but they should not be forced as the main means of play, rather the optional meat of the product.
AION has shown to have a huge female following as well, the game is designed in such a way artistically, that it resonates with the female population of mmorpg gamers. Females prefer more social dynamic elements in games, and if NCwest decides to cater to the type of western audience with females gamers as well, then yes housing is needed.
PvPvE is a broken mechanic unless they can do it properly and it has to be a choice. One of WoW's strong points is that it can successfully give the players a balanced pvp experience as well as an imbalanced one. Im talking about world pvp and instanced pvp. This is important, players need to be able to enjoy the game in a safe environment and a dangerous one. Thing is, reward the dangerous one more so than the safe one, but both need to be present.
The game needs dynamic elements, less grind, more variety in class builds and choice and most importantly, polish.
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What a deep well of inside sources
But this is the reality. Don't believe bullshit written by people.
Welcome to America!!
The west is a vastly different culture when it comes to online games. It is seen more as a hobby rather than a way of life. I am much more surprised that NCsoft actually has someone on board that recognizes the disparity.
i say let the players that wanna PvE go to their own server. The only players probably upset about this are the ones that gank and grief noobs because they lack and real pvp skills.
This is it exactly. There are a huge amount of players that want PvP only. NCSoft is trying to get more players so the obvious choice is to give those players what they want. It's about economics....profits and that's pretty much it. I really enjoyed AION for the first 20 or so levels then not so much after that. I have yet to see a game where PvP is well balanced.
depends on what kind of pvp you want. nothing can be balanced. there will always be an upper hand in anything.
This is it exactly. There are a huge amount of players that want PvP only. NCSoft is trying to get more players so the obvious choice is to give those players what they want. It's about economics....profits and that's pretty much it. I really enjoyed AION for the first 20 or so levels then not so much after that. I have yet to see a game where PvP is well balanced.
PvE server is even more dependent on content which is seriously lacking in Aion.
they got a quest that requires you to make 5 level 30 characters. =p
I think that quest is mostly there to reward players who play a lot of alts.
Players don't have to have that armor.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I'll get the rock salt.
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guys, take a look at the OPs posting history, 100% anti-NCSoft (well.. almost :P). Probably someone who got tired of L2 but cant find a modern version of it.
I'm all for FFA PVP, but I have to agree with the above statement. It's simply no fun to get killed in seconds by an enemy you could not see coming and had no defense against even if you did.
and whats funny is this was something that was forseen when the game was still in cbt for na it was an issue long before it even came to the states and quite frankly was one reason i was turned off by the game before it even came out
but my cousin talked me into it and payed for half the game cost when it came out its been 4 months since then and him his wife and myself just ended up going back to gw
i left for many reasons including grind and the fact that drops are almost nil the biggest issue for me had to be the above statements
too many ppl just sitting waiting for ppl who are clearly way under them so they could wipe them entire parties going out on "ganking runs"
its just sad that someone would pay $50 to get into a game just so they can act superior to everyone else
they used to call them bullies and as we all know bullies beat up people weaker then them because they cant beat up anyone higher
I think that quest is mostly there to reward players who play a lot of alts.
Players don't have to have that armor.
oh but they do not alot mind you but i knew a few people who went alt crazy just for such armor my cousin was one of them til it became a fruitless endeavor you would have to be really fucking bored or anal to want to go through all the shit you have to go through for that armor
and honestly i really dont see it being rewarding at all just a big pain in the ass
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I think that quest is mostly there to reward players who play a lot of alts.
Players don't have to have that armor.
oh but they do not alot mind you but i knew a few people who went alt crazy just for such armor my cousin was one of them til it became a fruitless endeavor you would have to be really fucking bored or anal to want to go through all the shit you have to go through for that armor
and honestly i really dont see it being rewarding at all just a big pain in the ass
Apparently someone wasn't around for the Holo-grind in pre-cu/nge SWG.
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I might have been the only one, but I actually enjoyed that,... I got to play many of the classes I never had previous to that.
Also, at the end, there was a pretty nice reward for all the effort.
To my mind, they should have just added more than one "alpha" class in addition to Jedi, ..... Legendary BH, Crime Lord, Rebel/Imperial Commando.... whatever...
Instead, SOE got WoW fever.
Anyway, yeah, the grind in here was silly, silly long and for what payoff....?