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ATI vs Nvidia 2010
This is a spin off of http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/267943/page/13 . IMO Nvidia at some point had been ahead of its time and thus gave consumers a product that game amazing performance and reliability for the long haul. But with the release of ATI's 5000 series, and Nvidia's push back on Fermi, I'd say for 2010, Nvidia is a little too late. Plus by the end of 2010 we will be seeing price drop s for ATI in anticipation of the 6000 series. But everyone has their own opinion.
Which is why I started this thread. 
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Ima wait for the 300 series, however I'm not sure yet if those will support DX11 as some people say it will and others that it doesn't....
or I will get an 5970, either way the limit is march, if something new from Nvidia's side hasnt been released by then, then I switch over to ATI
well i go nvidia regardless but then im not so much in as high as i can get performance wise i just need it to do the best it can but then im not made of money so i havent had the best of the best nor would i want it usually the best of the best still has issues that need to be addressed
ati has plenty of issues lots of programs wont run on it and the cards have a tendency to frag out at the wrong time leaving you with a comp that doesnt work and you scratching your head
i advise my customers that nvidia is always the way to go because in the grand scheme of things nvidia has always been on the ball and ati hasnt with ati you need these drivers then have to dick with it on a constant basis for just about everything you run nvidia plug in and go it usually runs without the use of the drivers though the drivers are a must
i have never had a ati card just plug in and go
but like i said its just a manner of personal taste if a customer still wishes to go ati then i do my job and fix the comp
i will add that i have found that ati has a better time running in linux then windows i use win xp but i have friends who use linux and have no issues with ati cards so idk
i agree with you !one thing ati as to work on tho !if they bring a feature online,they have to put a auto detect auto suggest feature
be it stream ,driver etc its not hard for them they do it anyway internally gees
microsoft style update suggestion based on your gear is a must be it for the bios etc
i think ati is a way better then nvidia but what make ati fall very fast is the fact its about has consumer friendly as linux lol
yes everybody know linux is better but between the ease of use of microsoft window 7 and the harsh ride of linux
i got to say ms win me ,ease of use is a must espacially when doing program or driver update from amd/ati
same for graphic card:ati is like linux way ahead of nvidia at least 8 month ahead gear wise
but like ms did now they go to make that avail to the puplic easy ,not the way it is now gees
if at least there was a scan feature on ati website and suggested ok heres what you could use based on a amd x2 550 be
with a at 5770 1gig.right now we dont download or use anything gees (at least i dont)because if i mess up i cant erase my driver and software from ati and say i ll use the ati/amd scan to get everything i need
THERE IS NO ATI/AMD SCAN !
but then i say this and in a year it wont matter because all im saying will be avail from intel
and will as fast if not quicker then amd
exemple:intel/micron released a new ship no long ago 25 nm.
they can now do 8gig memory that fit in the hole of a cd/dvd
Personally I haven't really had any issues with drivers thus far and when there are issues, AMD is pretty quick on updating those drivers. But yeah it is based on a matter of preference and opinion. I've never had a problem with Nvidia, but I haven't with ATI either. But where CPU maker AMD has ATI, I'm looking forward to see what Intel has in store as there are talks about them also jumping into the GPU industry. I think they would do great in this business since they are well established and know their stuff. Plus the new cores have graphics processing integrated into their CPU architecture. Although they are not top notch, they do handle 1080p quite nicely and I think it's more of a testing phase in anticipation for more data input to help them in regards to their plans to jump into the video card wars.
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intel intergrated is on par with ati if not better ,we ll have to see test from ati and intel
i m not sure about amd/ati,but for intel they have a feature called direct cache access(network to processor cache directly)
maybe someone can correct me about amd/ati they might have their version ib bios but i dont know if they do?
well the one thing that has impressed me most is the new ion card my cousin has it and the card itself is about the size of a credit card in fact there is a pc somewhere listed for about 800 i think that is built around the cards gpu the card itself is the cpu for the comp and its a all in one with onboard graphics but since the comp is the graphics card you are already at the top of the line and the integrated graphics are enough alone to play any game
hell i saw call of duty 4 modern warfare being played on it
http://www.gadgetlite.com/2009/04/08/acer-apsire-revo-nvidia-ion/
1st point, proves you are biased.
2nd point, ATi have never failed to run anything, this is an utter lie.
3rd point, They both just plug in and go, install the hardware then the drivers, end point.
4th point, now you really show your lack of knowledge, severely. First off it is a known FACT nVidia runs better on Linux and always has. ATi however has always ran better on Windows.
Stop spouting lies and misinformation as facts.
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Nvidia will always be ahead of ATI, plus Nvidia now has the combination with Aegis physics so as more games start including hardware physics Nvidia gains more of an edge. Before now only a few games had bothered to make an engine capable of using the Aegis physics since consumers had to go buy a aegis physics card which no one was doing. Now with Nvidia dominating the market and Nvidia including the phsycis hardware on their new cards I would bet more games will start using it.
Nvidia has led ATI for a long time and I'm sure it will continue for a long time. ATI is just there to help keep prices in check the same way that AMD is there simply to try and keep prices in check for Intel. But neither AMD or ATI products will pass their competitors.
Yeah it's too bad that Intel had to put the Larabee project on hold. They say it was because the performance wasn't up tp spec with the current competitors, and though some of it may be true, I feel that with Intel's integrated, it just buys them more time to perfect their project even more. ATI personally shines this year and Nvidia will most likely release some great cards at the end of 2010. So we'll see what Intel does next year. I think when you have a video card that is made by the CPU's manufacture, it makes compatibility issues less of a problem.
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That is why ATi is on top right now? ATi has the better hardware, and no bottlenecks. They also have superior driver performance on Windows. PhysX is a joke, always has been always will be. Just like 3d glasses are a gimmick to spend more to see a movie, PhysX is a gimmick to spend more on nVidia.
nVidia sounds good on paper until you notice how much it bottlenecks itself by comprehending the stats. A computer can only run as fast as its slowest piece of hardware.
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i agree if they all know what is the standard it makes it easier to make things for it
i mean if you dont know what it is your making something for it can be hard to try to judge what to expect to happen
That may have been the case in previous years but ATI clearly own 2010. Physics or PhysX? Doesn't really matter. Games have to support it. Otherwise it's a useless feature. And there are always solutions around it. Nvidia's only line of defense is their Fermi in which case that has been pushed back and again by the time it gets released, it'll be too late for it to matter this year and by next year we'll have Radeon's 6000 series. Nvidia is slacking. Kind of sad because I expected a lot more from them this year.
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They actually designated Fermi to the 400 series and it will do DX11. The 2 cards will be GTX 470 and GTX 480. The 300 line will either be skipped or used for rebranding GTX 200 series and won't support DX11 since they already tainted the series number with the GT 310.
I think both have been putting out solid cards. ATI imo gets an undeserved bad rap from the driver issues they had ~8 years ago. NVidia had just as bad driver probs more recently in Vista. It's kinda time to let that die.
Since both brands are reliable now, I look at price to performance, which ATI wins easily. Which is good for me because I have a laundry list of things that make NVidia an evil company and I don't like giving my money to evil companies.
1st point, proves you are biased.
2nd point, ATi have never failed to run anything, this is an utter lie.
3rd point, They both just plug in and go, install the hardware then the drivers, end point.
4th point, now you really show your lack of knowledge, severely. First off it is a known FACT nVidia runs better on Linux and always has. ATi however has always ran better on Windows.
Stop spouting lies and misinformation as facts.
ok i know im biased i admitted that never failed to run anything? well i know quite a few ppl who would disagree with you
and every ati card i have installed does not work til it gets the drivers nvidia on the other hand does
and seriously ? i have heard more complaints about ati having issues then i have nvidia thats not misinformation that is fact you see when the person actually gets an ati card and it stops working or has issues with every damn game ran on it then its a matter of that being the point ive seen with my own eyes ati cards just die
and go look in your local best buy youll see a shit ton of ati and very very few nvidia cards
1st point, god your replies are incoherent and hard to read.
2nd point, Biased means you will always side with nVidia and will say and do anything make ATi look bad. Meaning your "facts" are nothing more then opinions.
3rd point, Best Buy? Come on, the only two reasons for that is because Best Buy sucks. They are nothing but salesmen, they don't care to sale quality just whatever has the highest price tag is what they push, leaving ATi on the shelve because they are cheaper. The other reason is because their sales people know nothing and are just there to sell dumb customers products they are just as convinced that nVidia is better because of the crap spewed all over the internet and between fanbois like yourself.
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So far I have only had ati cards but I'm gonna buy a gtx 4x0 from nvidia this summer. Mainly because they come with many new innovations in their new architecture. The hd5000 are just a build on previous generations from ati with dx11 slapped on the side. It performs poorly in dx11 so I think people who buy a hd5000 these days are gonna be sorry next year when many more dx11-titles start apering.
Sorry the 5k series is true DX 11 whoever said otherwise knows nothing. Not only does the 5890 kick the crap out of nVidia best offering they are priced decently. the 400 series will still be 1 generation behind ATi
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1st point, god your replies are incoherent and hard to read.
2nd point, Biased means you will always side with nVidia and will say and do anything make ATi look bad. Meaning your "facts" are nothing more then opinions.
3rd point, Best Buy? Come on, the only two reasons for that is because Best Buy sucks. They are nothing but salesmen, they don't care to sale quality just whatever has the highest price tag is what they push, leaving ATi on the shelve because they are cheaper. The other reason is because their sales people know nothing and are just there to sell dumb customers products they are just as convinced that nVidia is better because of the crap spewed all over the internet and between fanbois like yourself.
well see the reasons im biased are for the fact i wanted to go cheap and got burned on four separate occasions
so yea my bias is based on my personal opinion and i already stated it was a matter opinion and personal preference
these "facts" come from ppl who got burned by ati and their craptastic cards and quite frankly no amount of anything will change those opinions i was laying out my thoughts you dont like it well get the hell over it
Ive never had any problems with ATI. If I remember correctly fermi's architecture is pretty much like what ATI is running now. So even though Fermi is beating Nvidia's existing cards when games move over to support Fermi it will give a performance boost to ATI cards. But ATI has had tessellation support for a while, Already has DX 11 card out and is using GDDR 5 memory. Nvidia has really hasn't really brought much to the table IMO, Physx which is cool but not every game supports it. I think it will be the year of ATI
I've gone from an Nvidia 8800 gt to an ATI 5870. Over the years, I've used various ATI and Nvidia cards, so I have no particular bias towards either. That being said, right now the ATI 5000 series cards are superior to comparable Nvidia cards by a wide margin. When you add what each card will cost you, going with ATI right now is a no brainer. Better performance and costs less. The only people I can see not wanting to buy ATI over Nvidia right now are those that are waiting to see what Nvidia comes out with in the next few months or Nvidia fanboys.
BTW, PhysicsX is a gimmic that relies on the game developer coding it in and not all Nvidia cards are capable of taking advantage of it. Its just not worth it for most developers hence why you see only a handful of games capable of it. The ATI cards being Direct X 11 capable has the potential to be much more useful and widespread, though we still haven't very many DX 10 games yet, so who knows.
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Yea game devs have no reason to support Physx it's extra work that most people can't use (Consoles + ATI > Nvidia) so the only Physx done in games is done by Nvidia TWIMTBP team. Until there's a standard we won't see integral hardware physics and there won't be a standard as long as Nvidia plays hardball with Physx. This is bad for gamers.
Now people will say, 'but ATI brags about DX11 the same way', and then when Fermi comes out they'll say, 'look Fermi does it too'. Well that's the point. Supporting open standards like DX11 that everyone can do means game developers end up with a single point of reference for designing games and then all gamers win. Nvidia could have jumped on board with AMD to push an OpenCL/DirectCompute hardware physics platform but instead they try to buy it out and block it out and then we get none except what Nvidia can go and add themselves to a couple games.
Sorry the 5k series is true DX 11 whoever said otherwise knows nothing. Not only does the 5890 kick the crap out of nVidia best offering they are priced decently. the 400 series will still be 1 generation behind ATi
When you say 5890 you must be imagining because I sure haven't seen any benchmarks or prices on that card.
If you have tried running the heaven dx11 benchmark with a hd5000 you will know that it performs poorly. It may be a true implementation of dx11 but performance still leaves something to be desired. GF100 runs tesselation much better. As I also said in a recent post, have a look at this site:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/27892-nvidia-s-geforce-gf100-under-microscope-7.html
So how do Ati cards perform nowadays regarding problems with shaders in Eve or other games? I believe shader3 didnt work on Ati cards when they released it. Same happened to some other games.
Also heard that Ati has only halfassed closed source drivers for linux which cant compare to their Windows drivers. Is this true?
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1st point, god your replies are incoherent and hard to read.
2nd point, Biased means you will always side with nVidia and will say and do anything make ATi look bad. Meaning your "facts" are nothing more then opinions.
3rd point, Best Buy? Come on, the only two reasons for that is because Best Buy sucks. They are nothing but salesmen, they don't care to sale quality just whatever has the highest price tag is what they push, leaving ATi on the shelve because they are cheaper. The other reason is because their sales people know nothing and are just there to sell dumb customers products they are just as convinced that nVidia is better because of the crap spewed all over the internet and between fanbois like yourself.
well see the reasons im biased are for the fact i wanted to go cheap and got burned on four separate occasions
so yea my bias is based on my personal opinion and i already stated it was a matter opinion and personal preference
these "facts" come from ppl who got burned by ati and their craptastic cards and quite frankly no amount of anything will change those opinions i was laying out my thoughts you dont like it well get the hell over it
The fact is user error contributes to failures. Its not ATI's fault people don't know how to install cards properly. I have been using ATI and Nvidia cards for over 10 years. If you cannot get a ATI card to work that is not anyones problem but your own.
First off, the reason for that is not the cards, but the games/programs that are utilizing DX 11. DX 11 is new and thus people are still learning to use it and optimize it. Don't blame ATi for stuff out of their control.
They run tons better these days, as for Linux, I have never had issues with ATi drivers but there is plenty that have, so many factors affect that though.
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