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RPG / Slower combat?!
Deewe
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I had a look at few devs posts and in one of them they mention the combat will be slower than some others MMO as more RPG oriented.
I think it could be interesting for PvP a lot as instead of being dead in +/-30s, creating a run / hit / die mess, it could promote group play and strategies.
What do you think and on a 1vs1 basis how long should last a mostly balanced fight?
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I hate anything that's unrealistic. Slow combat is unrealistic to me. There's no novelty to this "slower combat" they speak of.
All I know about combat is that its first inception was clunky, so it was revamped last year. I heard something about easier, smoother targeting and easier transition between Combat and Exploration Mode. I don't know if that means it's "fast" or "slow".
As for 1 vs. 1, I think a balanced fight should last under 30 seconds. First of all, this is the post-post-apocalyptic future. Secondly, there's nothing more boring than a 10 minute "Paladin fight". I certainly hope large scale PvP requires more tactics/strategy, but not necessarily slow combat. From what I've heard, things like terrain will have to be taken into account. Once the NDA is lifted, we'll finally be able to hear players' thoughts.
Do you approve of hit points?HP are not realistic.DO you approve of no realistic blocking or avoidance?That is not realistic.DO you think if you were involved in a life or death scenario you would run out into the middle of an open field?Here is the best of all>>if you don't really die,why even bother to call it death?That is not realistic is it?How about healing?healing a player back to full health in a a matter of seconds or one heal pot is realistic?
If a game tries to convey some sort of realism,all you people who CLAIM to want realism,come up with other excuses,like it is too slow ,or i don;t play a game to wait to get back fighting,millions of other excuses as well.
The fact is you are NOT going to have a realistic system,so the best system is to try and design a THINKING system,like a chess match.If your game is going to use Hit Points,then of course it has to be slow,if you want instant deaths,then why the heck are you using hit points?I mean there has to be some common sense to it all.There is even more to consider,by not utilizing a slowish Hit point designed game,how do you rank weapons?
Every single game rates weapons by the amount of hit point damage they cause,so i think it is quite obvious why the combat SHOULD be a thinking one that revolves around removing hit points from the enemy.
Fast combat is imo a design that takes no thinking at all.If you just make every weapon a one hit kill,no thought of defense,because one hit you are already dead,no thought to follow up attack because one hit you already killed them,the whole system becomes a joke the faster you make it.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Earthrise is NOT a FPS.
The game will be heavily dependant on chosen equipment and skills/abilities and you won't see anyone running around naked, as you're instantly dead without wearing a combat-suit. The combat-suit will determine the weapons you're able to use and it'll provide you with shields. Shields can be boosted by either yourself or by other players ("healers").
So you'll see a very tactical style of combat and not something cheap like a shooter, where it's all about twitching.
Sure, if you're caught with your pants down, then you'll die within seconds, but if two similar characters slug it out, then expect the fight to last a little bit longer then 10 seconds.
Actually they did make it realistic to the point of how you die. Once your shield reaches 0 you are in some serious hurt and unless provided help you will die... There is no HP bar at all (well there is but it is really a shield bar).
The combat will be slower than an fps, but it will definitely be faster (as in faster paced, not sure about duration of a fight) than most MMO's.
Do we know that Harabeck? Do we know if they have increased the cooldown or rate of fire? If they have not changed the pace of battle which we saw in the combat video it will be the same pace as WoW and other typical mmo games. We simply do not know how fast combat will be until we see the new videos of the changes they have made to the combat.
As much as I devoted and love giving praises to the game. The combat that we have seen so far (which is out of date) look at par with the pace of other typical mmo's out.
Do we know that Harabeck?
Yes.
Do we know that Harabeck?
Yes.
Meh... I want to see it first before I start saying such statements.
Do we know that Harabeck?
Yes.
Meh... I want to see it first before I start saying such statements.
Well, if we can't take the devs' word for it, then we can't say much about the game at all now can we?
Do we know that Harabeck?
Yes.
Meh... I want to see it first before I start saying such statements.
Well, if we can't take the devs' word for it, then we can't say much about the game at all now can we?
We can take there word for it and we can talk about it, but I personally do not want to get my hopes up just yet until I see it. It was a very big disappointment when I saw the combat video and in all honesty could not really defend it from the trolls cause they were simply right I could defend it from the over exaggerating trolls). I am really a ER fanboi and the fanboi in me died a little bit when the combat videos were released cause it was WAY less then expected.
Do we know that Harabeck?
Yes.
Meh... I want to see it first before I start saying such statements.
Well, if we can't take the devs' word for it, then we can't say much about the game at all now can we?
We can take there word for it and we can talk about it, but I personally do not want to get my hopes up just yet until I see it. It was a very big disappointment when I saw the combat video and in all honesty could not really defend it from the trolls cause they were simply right I could defend it from the over exaggerating trolls). I am really a ER fanboi and the fanboi in me died a little bit when the combat videos were released cause it was WAY less then expected.
It's alpha footage that's nearly a year old now, and they didn't even show that much combat. The vid with multiple players was only meant to demonstrate the targeting system.
Do we know that Harabeck?
Yes.
Meh... I want to see it first before I start saying such statements.
Well, if we can't take the devs' word for it, then we can't say much about the game at all now can we?
We can take there word for it and we can talk about it, but I personally do not want to get my hopes up just yet until I see it. It was a very big disappointment when I saw the combat video and in all honesty could not really defend it from the trolls cause they were simply right I could defend it from the over exaggerating trolls). I am really a ER fanboi and the fanboi in me died a little bit when the combat videos were released cause it was WAY less then expected.
It's alpha footage that's nearly a year old now, and they didn't even show that much combat. The vid with multiple players was only meant to demonstrate the targeting system.
Must I remind you Harabeck that video was released just at the start of Closed beta. Actually no it was posted 4 months after the announcement of closed beta applications going up. So I would assume some sort of closed beta was actually taking place. Also it did not just show off the targeting system it also showed how fast paced the actual combat was. Remember the second video to demonstrate the rate of fire/swing for a two hand knife or whatever it was. Yeah it was slice slice slice stop.... slice slice slice stop.... slice slice slice stop... Now yes I do understand that the animation was not really in place and still needed polished but the basic rate was there. That is what created the negative feedback and if it was because of poor animation, why would they change the combat system then? Even MHS stated that in feedback from in-game was negative and the mechanics were not as fluid/fast paced as they thought it was.
I am not trying to be a troll, I am just trying to state the truth and the obvious.
P.S. I know this video is a year old and I also know that the game mechanics for targeting has changed also. I am making a post out of what you said because it was down right silly and saying it was alpha when it was never stated that is was alpha footage is silly also. In fact I don't think Masthead studios every really define when they truly went into beta. So we simply do not know if that is alpha or not.
Closed beta sign ups do not equal closed beta going on. In fact, all evidence suggests that all of those apps have just been sitting around this entire time. And how can you use the fact that they sped up the combat system to argue your point when your point is that they didn't speed it up? And whether or not MHS calls it alpha or not, it was what is generally called alpha. They were only using internal testers and they were still far off from release. Remember, those were the first vids (and still only vids) we ever saw of the game! Whatever you want to call the stage, it was clear the game was not near completion.
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