Letting the cat out of the bag: Hive Queen and magic

xpiher · February 2010

Ok, there is a very easy way to level up every magic skill in the game. There is a mob called Hivekin Queen. The mob is highly resistant to magic, very weak to melee, and doing 2hp is approx 5% of its total HP. If a group of people are skilling up on the mob, they can kill it easily unless they heal it; however, even if they do kill it, it only takes 5mins to respawn. The mob's total HP poll is like 100-150 (3hits with a r50 weapon kills it). The queen itself uses high level earth magic and when combine it with the damage from the other mobs, you can die if you aren't paying attention. In order to skill up with magic on it you have to do at least 1 damage to it. In order to do 1 damage to you need a staff with a damage modifier greater than .44. Typically, you are able to nearly every spell (earth spells tend not to work) with a Darkcepter, and once the spell is past level 25-30, a deer stick.

Honestly, as far as risk v reward is concered its more risk than reward when you compare it to skilling up magic on low level, or1 newbie mobs. For instance, I can level up fire ball, fire bolt, and cursed bolt on troll with little to no risk to of death from the mob while replacing my regs. The only reason the hive queen is better than farming weaker mobs is because it requires less time for the same skill gain due to rate you cast spells on it being higher than other mobs and without, or at least significantly less rate of missing. Since this mob doesn't move, you can use it to train anything (with earth magic you need to use tranish then start hitting it). This is how people are making out magic schools in a day.

With that said, its not the only way to level magic, but its the easiest. You can level magic just farming weak mobs, but you'll have more down time due to being hit.

Nizur · February 2010

There's a crog just outside our clan city some of us use to level magic. It moves around and fires back, but it's still handy to have him around. I've trained on him a couple of times.

Mr_Zig · February 2010

Hive Queen = Steedgrass! + Hivekins Bloodguards(usually)

(Hivekins Bloodguards = More Steedgrass!!)

Steedgrass = Mounts

Mounts = Mounted Combat

Mounted Combat > Magic.

xpiher · February 2010

Originally posted by Mr_Zig

Hive Queen = Steedgrass! + Hivekins Bloodguards(usually)

(Hivekins Bloodguards = More Steedgrass!!)

Steedgrass = Mounts

Mounts = Mounted Combat

Mounted Combat > Magic.

Utility skills + not being terrible > mounted combat (assuming groups are about even)

Mr_Zig · February 2010

I still think actually leveling magic and killing the mobs is more productive in the long run, since you get back something(lootz!) to pay for the regs you used to cast magic.

Maybe thats just me, my bank is always feeling a rather light

GeniusSage · February 2010

Originally posted by Nizur

There's a crog just outside our clan city some of us use to level magic. It moves around and fires back, but it's still handy to have him around. I've trained on him a couple of times.

Zagharoth? I that city.

xanphia · February 2010

Originally posted by Nizur

There's a crog just outside our clan city some of us use to level magic. It moves around and fires back, but it's still handy to have him around. I've trained on him a couple of times.

Nizur, which clan are you in? I'm in PoSB...

And yes, I my Crog.

Prem · February 2010

easy but very expensive way, no? You're basically taking nothing in return, except increase in skills.

Azdul · February 2010

Originally posted by xpiher

Ok, there is a very easy way to level up every magic skill in the game. There is a mob called Hivekin Queen.

Macroers = free reagents = PvP hotspot. Hivekin queen is like magnet for PKs

xzyax · February 2010

Originally posted by xpiher

Ok, there is a very easy way to level up every magic skill in the game. There is a mob called Hivekin Queen. This mob is highly resistant to magic and does not move. If you use a Darkcepter, or any staff that has more than .4 dmg you will do at least 1 dmg to the queen every hit. Since this mob doesn't move, you can use it to train anything (with earth magic you need to use tranish then start hitting it). This is how people are making out magic schools in a day.
With that said, its not the only way to level magic, but its the easiest. You can level magic just farming weak mobs, but you'll have more down time due to being hit.

Hopefully you've sent in a bug report for that mob as well... right?

DarthRaiden · February 2010

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by xpiher

Ok, there is a very easy way to level up every magic skill in the game. There is a mob called Hivekin Queen. This mob is highly resistant to magic and does not move. If you use a Darkcepter, or any staff that has more than .4 dmg you will do at least 1 dmg to the queen every hit. Since this mob doesn't move, you can use it to train anything (with earth magic you need to use tranish then start hitting it). This is how people are making out magic schools in a day.
With that said, its not the only way to level magic, but its the easiest. You can level magic just farming weak mobs, but you'll have more down time due to being hit.

Hopefully you've sent in a bug report for that mob as well... right?

Hive Queen is not bugged, she is a fat bug, you have to thing of her like of an ant queen, she does nothing but lies around and have a colony of servants serve her, except she probably gives birth to that breet. No bug just a FAT bug...

Xianthos · February 2010

I prefer leveling magic skills by farming monsters. Im doing even profit if i count money to buy regs and money that i gain from them.

Nizur · February 2010

Originally posted by xanphia
Originally posted by Nizur There's a crog just outside our clan city some of us use to level magic. It moves around and fires back, but it's still handy to have him around. I've trained on him a couple of times.

Nizur, which clan are you in? I'm in PoSB...

And yes, I

my Crog.

I'm also in PoSB, but I haven't logged in in a few days. I'll be on later today though.

xanphia · February 2010

Originally posted by Nizur

Originally posted by xanphia

Originally posted by Nizur

There's a crog just outside our clan city some of us use to level magic. It moves around and fires back, but it's still handy to have him around. I've trained on him a couple of times.

Nizur, which clan are you in? I'm in PoSB...

And yes, I my Crog.

I'm also in PoSB, but I haven't logged in in a few days. I'll be on later today though.

You sneaky bastard. I'll see ya soon though.

xpiher · February 2010

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by xpiher

Ok, there is a very easy way to level up every magic skill in the game. There is a mob called Hivekin Queen. This mob is highly resistant to magic and does not move. If you use a Darkcepter, or any staff that has more than .4 dmg you will do at least 1 dmg to the queen every hit. Since this mob doesn't move, you can use it to train anything (with earth magic you need to use tranish then start hitting it). This is how people are making out magic schools in a day.
With that said, its not the only way to level magic, but its the easiest. You can level magic just farming weak mobs, but you'll have more down time due to being hit.

Hopefully you've sent in a bug report for that mob as well... right?

The mob is speficially designed to this way. Its not a bug, its intentional.

rhinok · February 2010

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by xpiher

Ok, there is a very easy way to level up every magic skill in the game. There is a mob called Hivekin Queen. This mob is highly resistant to magic and does not move. If you use a Darkcepter, or any staff that has more than .4 dmg you will do at least 1 dmg to the queen every hit. Since this mob doesn't move, you can use it to train anything (with earth magic you need to use tranish then start hitting it). This is how people are making out magic schools in a day.
With that said, its not the only way to level magic, but its the easiest. You can level magic just farming weak mobs, but you'll have more down time due to being hit.

Hopefully you've sent in a bug report for that mob as well... right?

The mob is speficially designed to this way. Its not a bug, its intentional.

Please post evidence of this. Otherwise, it sounds like an exploit that just hasn't been fixed. On top of that, it sounds like you're specifically telling people how to exploit a mob in the game.

~Ripper

Wharg0ul · February 2010

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by xpiher

Ok, there is a very easy way to level up every magic skill in the game. There is a mob called Hivekin Queen. This mob is highly resistant to magic and does not move. If you use a Darkcepter, or any staff that has more than .4 dmg you will do at least 1 dmg to the queen every hit. Since this mob doesn't move, you can use it to train anything (with earth magic you need to use tranish then start hitting it). This is how people are making out magic schools in a day.
With that said, its not the only way to level magic, but its the easiest. You can level magic just farming weak mobs, but you'll have more down time due to being hit.

Hopefully you've sent in a bug report for that mob as well... right?

The mob is speficially designed to this way. Its not a bug, its intentional.

Please post evidence of this. Otherwise, it sounds like an exploit that just hasn't been fixed. On top of that, it sounds like you're specifically telling people how to exploit a mob in the game.

~Ripper

dude...it's a huge friggin' queen bug that's not meant to move...it just hatches babies. It's not a "bug"...it's a bug.....err....you know what I mean.

Stridar · February 2010

Hah, secrets out... I was filling my bank with mounts the first month of the game when I was actually doing the Alfar quest line that led me to her and I got a steedgrass. I then stuck around for a few days killing her and her little roamers until I had a ton of steed.

As others have said, she is bugged she is like a Queen bug. I don't know how many places she spawns, I just know the place i found and killed her. At that spot there was a 10 min spawn timer on her, so you couldn't Just kill her over and over unless you were really bored. But killing the other mobs in the area was a great way at the time to skill up magic and melee, those fight back btw.

Kruul · February 2010

Sweet ! a new place to farm regs )

WSIMike · February 2010

I think the PK'ers just found a new hang-out .

Although I think it's pretty cool... A valuable - or at least useful - in-game resource might become a focal point for PvP, at least for a local region on the map. This happened a lot in L2 with everything from hunting spots to raid bosses (for example, one raid boss was literally "locked down" by a large alliance for a time - you had to pay them to get to it, or they'd drop you where you stood). It certainly makes for some fun times... though it can probably be frustrating for those just looking to go score a few steed grass :-p.

xzyax · February 2010

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by xpiher

Ok, there is a very easy way to level up every magic skill in the game. There is a mob called Hivekin Queen. This mob is highly resistant to magic and does not move. If you use a Darkcepter, or any staff that has more than .4 dmg you will do at least 1 dmg to the queen every hit. Since this mob doesn't move, you can use it to train anything (with earth magic you need to use tranish then start hitting it). This is how people are making out magic schools in a day.
With that said, its not the only way to level magic, but its the easiest. You can level magic just farming weak mobs, but you'll have more down time due to being hit.

Hopefully you've sent in a bug report for that mob as well... right?

The mob is speficially designed to this way. Its not a bug, its intentional.

IF... it is indeed intentional...

How is that challenging in the least?

Stridar · February 2010

No one said it was challenging. Does everything in a game have to be a challenge? It's a mob that spawns that is the queen of other mobs, unlike other games where everything that would spawn like that is a giant 40 man raid boss, it's just what it says it is. Queen of the Hivekin and if people would let it live long enough it may just lay around doing nothing but squirting out more Hivekin.

Stridar · February 2010

Originally posted by Kruul

Playing: DFO

Watching: TOR and Project Copernicus

Played: The Realm, UO, EQ, AC, DAOC, SB, EnB, EQ2, AO,WOW, LOTRO, AC2, DDO, Horizons, EVE, Vanguard, SWG, AOC, WAR

Tried: All the others

I think we've surely had to run into each other over the years, I started with The Realm as well, but then went straight into a very early build of EQ(over a year before release) and never played UO. Otherwise my list is pretty much the same as yours, I'm sure the amount spent on each game would vary though. Even spent a bit of time as a GM in EQ and AO.

cosy · February 2010

Originally posted by rhinok

Please post evidence of this. Otherwise, it sounds like an exploit that just hasn't been fixed. On top of that, it sounds like you're specifically telling people how to exploit a mob in the game.

~Ripper

is not a exploit just a mob that is special

rhinok · February 2010

Originally posted by cosy

Originally posted by rhinok

Please post evidence of this. Otherwise, it sounds like an exploit that just hasn't been fixed. On top of that, it sounds like you're specifically telling people how to exploit a mob in the game.

~Ripper

is not a exploit just a mob that is special

Prove it.

Yes, the mob may just sit there, being a "queen bee" type bug, but are you supposed to be able to skill up on it all day long? Doesn't seem like a good balance of risk vs. reward to me. Until I see evidence, it's an exploit, just like the acid pools, shooting mana bolts into the sky, trapping mobs in geometry, etc... were.

An exploit is using a game mechanic--in a manner other than intended by the developers--to your benefit.. Exploits generally provide far more reward than risk. In this case, the OP is basically telling folks how they can use an in-game mob to level up magic within a day with little risk. That certainly seems like an exploit to me. It's also contradictory to all of the efforts Aventurine has taken to remove previous "easy" ways to level up skills.

~Ripper

xpiher · February 2010

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by cosy

Originally posted by rhinok

Please post evidence of this. Otherwise, it sounds like an exploit that just hasn't been fixed. On top of that, it sounds like you're specifically telling people how to exploit a mob in the game.

~Ripper

is not a exploit just a mob that is special

Prove it.

Yes, the mob may just sit there, being a "queen bee" type bug, but are you supposed to be able to skill up on it all day long? Doesn't seem like a good balance of risk vs. reward to me. Until I see evidence, it's an exploit, just like the acid pools, shooting mana bolts into the sky, trapping mobs in geometry, etc... were.

An exploit is using a game mechanic--in a manner other than intended by the developers--to your benefit.. Exploits generally provide far more reward than risk. In this case, the OP is basically telling folks how they can use an in-game mob to level up magic within a day with little risk. That certainly seems like an exploit to me. It's also contradictory to all of the efforts Aventurine has taken to remove previous "easy" ways to level up skills.

~Ripper

Its only an exploit if it isn't intentional. But what proff do you want? I can't fraps because my computer sucks. I can tell you exactly what to do and where the mobs are.

The mob is highly resistant to magic, very weak to melee, and doing 2hp is approx 5% of its total HP. If a group of people are skilling up on the mob, they can kill it easily unless they heal it; however, even if they do kill it, it only takes 5mins to respawn. The mob's total HP poll is like 100-150 (3hits with a r50 weapon kills it). The queen itself uses high level earth magic and when combine it with the damage from the other mobs, you can easily die if you aren't paying attention. In order to skill up with magic on it you have to do at least 1 damage to it. In order to do 1 damage to you need a staff with a damage modifier greater than .44. Typically, you are able to nearly every spell (earth spells tend not to work) with a Darkcepter, and once the spell is past level 25-30, a deer stick.

Honestly, as far as risk v reward is concered its more risk than reward when you compare it to skilling up magic on low level, or1 newbie mobs. For instance, I can level up fire ball, fire bolt, and cursed bolt on troll with little to no risk to of death from the mob while replacing my regs. The only reason the hive queen is better than farming weaker mobs is because it requires less time for the same skill gain due to rate you cast spells on it being higher than other mobs and without, or at least significantly less rate of missing.

Edit: AV hasn't removed any other easy ways to skill up other than murder boxing the devil.

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