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Pretty much nails it I think. With dozens of threads for people to look though, why anyone would chose a game based on a year old review is beyond me.
Problem with reviewing a game like DF is that to get a decent review you have to stack the deck, as others have mentioned the person has to like FFA PVP, full looting games or the score's going to suffer no matter what.
Less harsh games like LoTRO can be played and appreciated by just about any reviewer except for one thats a fan of the above, so its easier to get good scores.
And if we look at DF from a holistic approach, I have to ask those that play, in the past year, has the Pve really improved that much? Because it need to have decent pve options to be rating scores around 8 and above for most reviewers.
How about crafting and animations, much improved? If not, more negatives for the reviewer to score the game.
Trouble is, they can make the PVP combat a 10 (which is the part I suspect most player are there for) and w/o the "rest of the package" the score is going to suffer unless all the reviewer cares about is the PVP aspects.
The reason EVE scores much better is that overall it is a much more rounded gaming experience, offering something for everyone, from carebears to killers.
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No re-rates. First impression after release is just that. Almost all games improve over time; we don't need to go rewriting all of those. That's not just MMORPGs either or MMOS, but standard games as well. Anyone who bases their purchse solely on a rating, a score is doing themselves a disservice anyway. You have to actually read a review to get to the meat of the problem or highlight of the successes.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Do any of you guys/gals that are playing DF right now know when ambient sounds will be added, like waterfall sounds, birds, crickets (etc.) and stuff? Is that going to be part of DF 2010? ( /crosses fingers )
If anything I would say re-rate it when DF 2010 comes out since they largely seem to be aiming to overhaul many parts of the game. Maybe DF 2010 actually = the pay to play beta ends. Still very impressive for an indy dev studio.
Agreed.
I doubt they'll ever re-review it though, it seems to be a game that reviewers are scared of.
If any one is making decisions on games based upon MMORPG ratings, they need to have a talk with a loved one.
-CC
Pretty much nails it I think. With dozens of threads for people to look though, why anyone would chose a game based on a year old review is beyond me.
Problem with reviewing a game like DF is that to get a decent review you have to stack the deck, as others have mentioned the person has to like FFA PVP, full looting games or the score's going to suffer no matter what.
Less harsh games like LoTRO can be played and appreciated by just about any reviewer except for one thats a fan of the above, so its easier to get good scores.
And if we look at DF from a holistic approach, I have to ask those that play, in the past year, has the Pve really improved that much? Because it need to have decent pve options to be rating scores around 8 and above for most reviewers.
How about crafting and animations, much improved? If not, more negatives for the reviewer to score the game.
Trouble is, they can make the PVP combat a 10 (which is the part I suspect most player are there for) and w/o the "rest of the package" the score is going to suffer unless all the reviewer cares about is the PVP aspects.
The reason EVE scores much better is that overall it is a much more rounded gaming experience, offering something for everyone, from carebears to killers.
To be fair, I know when I'm perusuing through the game lists I generally check out the games that come with a higher score. I don't make decisions about them until I've investigated them and played them for myself, but the high ratings definitely shine an illuminating light on them.
And 95% of the games rated higher than Darkfall are trash in comparison.
Darkfall has indeed improved dramatically. I ALMOST came back...but WoW pulled me in again. My friend and I have a trend of getting to max level each expansion and then quitting a month or two later. Ah well, time to RAF. I'll continue to watch Darkfall's improvements though.
If any one is making decisions on games based upon MMORPG ratings, they need to have a talk with a loved one.
-CC
Pretty much nails it I think. With dozens of threads for people to look though, why anyone would chose a game based on a year old review is beyond me.
Problem with reviewing a game like DF is that to get a decent review you have to stack the deck, as others have mentioned the person has to like FFA PVP, full looting games or the score's going to suffer no matter what.
Less harsh games like LoTRO can be played and appreciated by just about any reviewer except for one thats a fan of the above, so its easier to get good scores.
And if we look at DF from a holistic approach, I have to ask those that play, in the past year, has the Pve really improved that much? Because it need to have decent pve options to be rating scores around 8 and above for most reviewers.
How about crafting and animations, much improved? If not, more negatives for the reviewer to score the game.
Trouble is, they can make the PVP combat a 10 (which is the part I suspect most player are there for) and w/o the "rest of the package" the score is going to suffer unless all the reviewer cares about is the PVP aspects.
The reason EVE scores much better is that overall it is a much more rounded gaming experience, offering something for everyone, from carebears to killers.
Kyleran, what you say is common sense and I'd agree with it if the evidence didn't point me the other way. You talk about EVE and that it scores an 8.5 and you asked if DFO has improved in other areas beside PvP. Well I agree with you until I compare it to EVE,
PvE:
Eve has shallow boring PvE probably the worst of any MMORPG on the market. There's so little there and it looks unappealing and let's face it DFO PvE is X1000 more engaging and diverse (not that it's difficult to do). I try to name a P2P game with less and more one dimensional and shallow PvE than EVE and I can't do it. This is what MMORPG.com said in the last review,#
"PvE in EVE is often hailed as pretty damn boring – a necessary evil to gain ISK and feed your PvP habits. Perhaps I’m an anomaly but I’ve thoroughly enjoyed some of my PvE experiences."
I enjoyed PvE in EvE also when I played it but I accept it is extremely lacking however this review gives it top marks. He doesn't mention gathering (mining) which is basically a space mining simulator that everyone that isn't crazy uses a bot to do or buys it from botters. Funny how he let that go? Would be nice to do the same for DFO right?
Progression:
From the MMORPG.com review,
"For me, this really hasn’t been too big of an issue; sure, I’m slightly jealous when I see another player fly by in a Vargur (Tech 2 battleship) and realize it’d take me 93 more days to be in their shoes, not counting support skills. But at the same time, I can fly a smaller ship like a frigate or destroyer with relative competence, and I’m not too shabby in my Tech 1 battleship, either. When it comes down to it, you need years of experience to fly a capital ship or be a jack of all trades. But as a newbie, you can do one thing fairly well fairly quickly."
Pretty sweet that the guy doing the review "gets it" and doesn't expect to be flying T2 after 2 weeks but is prepared to wait 3 months before he's flying with the big boys, oh wait he can fly with the big boys but he can't be leader of the pack for some while or go 1v1. Sounds alot like DFO to me, hope this guy does a review of DFO!
PvP:
we know about that both games are focused on it and do it well, if the reviewer didn't like it in DFO he's not going to like it in EVE unless he's a point and click guy rather than twitch in which case he shouldn't be reviewing DFO, agreed?
Econonmy: EvE is unique here in my opinion, the best ingame economy that can't be matched,
"Lastly for the gameplay talk we have economy. I haven’t done much in the way of manufacturing, trading, or market jockeying, but I’m fair impressed with what I know of the system."
Not that the reviewer actually did much concerning the economy but he was impressed, fair enough.
Community:
EvE reviewer says,
"As fantastic as the open-ended game world is, it allows for a brutal brand of honesty not found in many MMOs. Scamming and griefing are allowed in the game so long as exploits aren’t used, and even in hi-sec systems you have to watch your back. Players have found ways of griefing and scamming via the contract system, the corporation system, jettison cans while mining, and so much more. I won’t get into great detail, but the greater population of the game seems to have a general attitude of, “if you aren’t my friend you are my income.”"
Sounds familiar, I played EvE and there are far more elitest pricks (probably like me!) in that game than anywhere else. It doesn't bother me as they are alot less childish than the pricks in most games, however it often devolves into a competition in being nasty to people, sometimes it felt like EVE: "Simon Cowell online". If he can put a positive spin on the EvE community then he can on the DFO community as it's certainly no worse in my experience.
UI:
I loved the EvE UI, again best of any game I played,
"In addition to the corporation window, EVE has an in-game browser that allows you to visit websites that are properly formatted. There’s no need to alt-tab in EVE…you can Google from in game, and look at most corporation/EVE utility sites!
"The downside to this complexity is…well…the complexity. When I first started playing EVE, item descriptions might as well be in Sanskrit. While I’m slowly learning to adapt over time, the UI is a huge learning curve in and of itself."
Complex at first but after you get used to it, it's a powerful tool.
Graphics & Sound:
EvE graphics are put down usually because space is so sparse and it's mostly a black screen. Ships and stuff look good in my opinion but many others don't like it, sound is similar to DFO in that it's rather spartan but in EvE it serves little purpose compared to DFO.
"As stunning as the visual aspects are, the game’s sound has fallen a bit short for me. My sound was promptly turned off as the first volley of missiles nearly defeaned me; even after turning it down the effects were too annoying to leave on."
EvE visually "stunning"? I liked it but please. He hated the effects and turned them off, seems he went from one extreme to the other!
Performance:
DFO beats every other MMORPG I've played, hundreds of people on screen fighting and I'm involved fighting and running FRAPS! No other game has done this, large fleet battles in EvE = slide show,
"One of the most often voiced EVE complaint is about the serverside lag; while the single-cluster model is awesome in terms of economy and community, it’s a drag on the performance."
He even says how he had to log out and petition for a move.
Support:
EvE has good support, only bettered by DFO in my opinion and that's because DFO GMs are faster in response, however if EvE had a smaller playerbase like DFO it'd probably be the same.
"Luckily, as mentioned above, there are GMs to petition to and overall my experience with them has been wonderful. Stuck petitions were handled within 15 minutes; my one mission-bug related petition was addressed within two hours. I’m well impressed by their support so far!"
Conclusions, pros and cons:
"EVE is one of the most complex games I’ve sunk my teeth into. It’s an infinitely gratifying space-sandbox where you can do just about anything, assuming you can take the time to learn the gameplay in a mostly-hostile environment…yeah, newbies are fair prey for griefing and scamming. The technological constraints (performance) are a downer, but the graphics and gameplay opportunities are mind-blowing in their scope."
Jesus that could be a summary of DFO! If this guy reviewed DFO going in the same way he did to EvE I just don't see how DFO could have got a 6 and EvE an 8.5. EvE beats Darkall on things like UI and Economy 100%, whereas DFO wins hands down on Graphics and Performance. Other areas can change due to personal taste but how can they send this guy into review this and give it an 8.5 and DFO a 6?
EvE a more rounded experience? I don't think so, DFO is just as rounded and offers just as much. It offers something for everyone too, remember not so many years ago all the "EvE sux" threads? People calling it a one dimensional piece of trash filled with griefers? If you don't I do, it was the popular thing to point out the glaring inadequacies of EvE which it still has then call it boring trash and a play ground for griefer pricks. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
Perhaps DFO is like you describe EvE? A rounded game experience offering something for all from carebears to killers? Just that alot of people need to take their blinkers off, funny how I can't recall any EvE player or even rabid fanbois saying "DFO sux and is one dimensional trash". Perhaps the games have more in common with eachother core mechanic wise than most other MMORPGs on the market? This game just needs a fair review by someone into that sort of game, like they did for EvE.
It has been a year and alot of updates have happened, enough that most players feel warrant a re-review at some time. Perhaps after the coming graphical update would be best. My point to this whole post is that DFO does offer much the same as EvE ( a rounded game), just like EvE however it'll take people time to realize this and understand it isn't just a stomping ground to kill noobs,
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So, you want to re-rate this pile crap because they decided to fix a few things on it after it was brought to our attention as a released and a final product. Sorry, no second chances, it will only show that you can make a shit for nothing game and decide to fix it later while taking people's money (or at least the stupid ones).
With the influx of new players over the past few months (including me), I think it would be to the benefit of the users of MMORPG.com to re-rate the game from its 6.0 rating. That rating turned me off from the game originally, but I watched the user rating creep up from 7.0 to 7.2, now it is at 7.5 which obviously is showing that most people are finding this game to be remarkably different from launch. I would ask MMORPG.com to maybe take a second look at the site's official rating, but I don't know if there is some policy against this.
This also means slowly this game sells it self quality always do so re-review would be nice but its not realy needed.
If people take reviews from mmo's that are just launched SERIEUS then there bit dumb i say.
People just need to read forums see what players of game say about game themselfs.
And with all darkfall players you hardly see negative topics or replys becouse game is rather good now comepare to launch day.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
If any one is making decisions on games based upon MMORPG ratings, they need to have a talk with a loved one.
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The problem I have with this statement, particularly regarding Darkfall, is that a gamer has tospend 50 bucks to review the game for themselves.
By choosing not to offer a free trial, Darkfall has left many gamers with no option but to base their opinion of the game on ratings and reviews.
littlemonkey
Why buy game read players topics replys and see youtube movies about darkfall with comments and you can clearly see game has improved alot and very enjoyable and fun to play if your into hardcore free for all pvp.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
If you think ratings on this site reflect how good a game is or might be then you are sadly mistaken. The games with paid advertising on this site always get the good ratings. I can't believe how many people are blind to this fact. Everything has a price in capitalism my friends, even ratings.
The game does not deserve a higher rating than before for the simple fact that it's nowhere near as fun as it was at release since the population is dead.
Originally posted by JohnCreed The game does not deserve a higher rating than before for the simple fact that it's nowhere near as fun as it was at release since the population is dead.
Yep. Just because you are not playing, game is dead...
There are more and more players every day and population is increasing. I'm having fun and that all that matters.
I just joined a clan of guys that hail from Planetside, a fps pvp game. Out of the 10 members of a guild who transfered over, 8 of them love it, and I believe are in for the long haul.
The game does not deserve a higher rating than before for the simple fact that it's nowhere near as fun as it was at release since the population is dead.
Yep. Just because you are not playing, game is dead...
There are more and more players every day and population is increasing. I'm having fun and that all that matters.
This. Any time I go near an NPC city, I'm tripping over n00bs.
The game has just not changed much from launch besides the increase in skill gain and the addition of two specializations. Maybe after this next big patch that is supposed to change the alignment system and add more specializations ( and hopefully fix the current ones ), then DF could be ready for another review.
Agreed. 6.0 is too low for DF. Yes Df was a 6 at launch but now its closer to a 8 if anything. Most people on this site rate it bad because its a ffa full loot game and they hate being ganked.
"Those guys stole my horse!!!!!!!!" User goes onto mmorpg.com and gives DF a 1 rating.
i think 6 is just about right
Says the one playing Aion......................the game with the most pointless PvP and most boring PvE on the market
Does playing Aion disqualify him from having an opinion? Or does it make it any less relevant then someone's who is not playing Aion? I think 6, at the most 6.5 is a fair mark for DF. See what reasons you come up to disqualify my opinion with.
It has been a year and alot of updates have happened, enough that most players feel warrant a re-review at some time. Perhaps after the coming graphical update would be best. My point to this whole post is that DFO does offer much the same as EvE ( a rounded game), just like EvE however it'll take people time to realize this and understand it isn't just a stomping ground to kill noobs, Agricola
An excellent post, and worthy of a better response than I think I can give it w/o being flagged for being OT.
But overall, most of what you pointed out is the result of a review by someone who is favorable to EVE. A more neutral reviewer probably would have been less forgiving and rated it lower.
And there's the issue with a re-review of DF. How can you be sure you'll draw someone better this time around? Or perhaps it should be done by the same person, to see if he likes it better than his first go around?
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The game does not deserve a higher rating than before for the simple fact that it's nowhere near as fun as it was at release since the population is dead.
Yep. Just because you are not playing, game is dead...
There are more and more players every day and population is increasing. I'm having fun and that all that matters.
This. Any time I go near an NPC city, I'm tripping over n00bs.
You guys are probably playing on NA. On EU, I saw 2-3 people at once. very rarely do I see more then 5-7 at the same time. And that's near the starting town. I don't know how many players you see that qualifies as "tripping over", but DF does not have a populated world compared to most other games. Often, the race chat sees only like 3-5 active participants. At those times I kinda miss mindless chit-chat in WoW. Had some chuckles listening to little kids' making text noise.
The game does not deserve a higher rating than before for the simple fact that it's nowhere near as fun as it was at release since the population is dead.
Yep. Just because you are not playing, game is dead...
There are more and more players every day and population is increasing. I'm having fun and that all that matters.
This. Any time I go near an NPC city, I'm tripping over n00bs.
You guys are probably playing on NA. On EU, I saw 2-3 people at once. very rarely do I see more then 5-7 at the same time. And that's near the starting town. I don't know how many players you see that qualifies as "tripping over", but DF does not have a populated world compared to most other games. Often, the race chat sees only like 3-5 active participants. At those times I kinda miss mindless chit-chat in WoW. Had some chuckles listening to little kids' making text noise.
"tripping over" as in literally crowded. Sorry to hear that EU is not as busy...yes, I play on NA 1.
Also, please rmember...most "other games" have many servers, but each with about the capacity of one of DF's. COnsidering that this isn't MEANT to be a mainstram game, I'd say that for the server size, NA-1's population at least is quite healthy.
Race Alliance is a headache to even attempt to keep up with the most of the time (I stick to clan / clan alliance anyway).
BUT...I see you're tossing in that "other game" into your comment there, and this makes me think you might have unrealistic expectations when another game's population and activity are concearned.
Also I think that MMO games shouldn't been rated by first impression. First impression is suitable for single player games but no MMO's. Compare this Darkfall has been rated 6 points by first impression, crap game like Tabula Rasa was rated like more than 8 points it kept its rating even if it was close to shutdown.
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Pretty much nails it I think. With dozens of threads for people to look though, why anyone would chose a game based on a year old review is beyond me.
Problem with reviewing a game like DF is that to get a decent review you have to stack the deck, as others have mentioned the person has to like FFA PVP, full looting games or the score's going to suffer no matter what.
Less harsh games like LoTRO can be played and appreciated by just about any reviewer except for one thats a fan of the above, so its easier to get good scores.
And if we look at DF from a holistic approach, I have to ask those that play, in the past year, has the Pve really improved that much? Because it need to have decent pve options to be rating scores around 8 and above for most reviewers.
How about crafting and animations, much improved? If not, more negatives for the reviewer to score the game.
Trouble is, they can make the PVP combat a 10 (which is the part I suspect most player are there for) and w/o the "rest of the package" the score is going to suffer unless all the reviewer cares about is the PVP aspects.
The reason EVE scores much better is that overall it is a much more rounded gaming experience, offering something for everyone, from carebears to killers.
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No re-rates. First impression after release is just that. Almost all games improve over time; we don't need to go rewriting all of those. That's not just MMORPGs either or MMOS, but standard games as well. Anyone who bases their purchse solely on a rating, a score is doing themselves a disservice anyway. You have to actually read a review to get to the meat of the problem or highlight of the successes.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Do any of you guys/gals that are playing DF right now know when ambient sounds will be added, like waterfall sounds, birds, crickets (etc.) and stuff? Is that going to be part of DF 2010? ( /crosses fingers )
I don't really see much about that anywhere.
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Agreed.
I doubt they'll ever re-review it though, it seems to be a game that reviewers are scared of.
Pretty much nails it I think. With dozens of threads for people to look though, why anyone would chose a game based on a year old review is beyond me.
Problem with reviewing a game like DF is that to get a decent review you have to stack the deck, as others have mentioned the person has to like FFA PVP, full looting games or the score's going to suffer no matter what.
Less harsh games like LoTRO can be played and appreciated by just about any reviewer except for one thats a fan of the above, so its easier to get good scores.
And if we look at DF from a holistic approach, I have to ask those that play, in the past year, has the Pve really improved that much? Because it need to have decent pve options to be rating scores around 8 and above for most reviewers.
How about crafting and animations, much improved? If not, more negatives for the reviewer to score the game.
Trouble is, they can make the PVP combat a 10 (which is the part I suspect most player are there for) and w/o the "rest of the package" the score is going to suffer unless all the reviewer cares about is the PVP aspects.
The reason EVE scores much better is that overall it is a much more rounded gaming experience, offering something for everyone, from carebears to killers.
To be fair, I know when I'm perusuing through the game lists I generally check out the games that come with a higher score. I don't make decisions about them until I've investigated them and played them for myself, but the high ratings definitely shine an illuminating light on them.
And 95% of the games rated higher than Darkfall are trash in comparison.
Darkfall has indeed improved dramatically. I ALMOST came back...but WoW pulled me in again. My friend and I have a trend of getting to max level each expansion and then quitting a month or two later. Ah well, time to RAF. I'll continue to watch Darkfall's improvements though.
Pretty much nails it I think. With dozens of threads for people to look though, why anyone would chose a game based on a year old review is beyond me.
Problem with reviewing a game like DF is that to get a decent review you have to stack the deck, as others have mentioned the person has to like FFA PVP, full looting games or the score's going to suffer no matter what.
Less harsh games like LoTRO can be played and appreciated by just about any reviewer except for one thats a fan of the above, so its easier to get good scores.
And if we look at DF from a holistic approach, I have to ask those that play, in the past year, has the Pve really improved that much? Because it need to have decent pve options to be rating scores around 8 and above for most reviewers.
How about crafting and animations, much improved? If not, more negatives for the reviewer to score the game.
Trouble is, they can make the PVP combat a 10 (which is the part I suspect most player are there for) and w/o the "rest of the package" the score is going to suffer unless all the reviewer cares about is the PVP aspects.
The reason EVE scores much better is that overall it is a much more rounded gaming experience, offering something for everyone, from carebears to killers.
Kyleran, what you say is common sense and I'd agree with it if the evidence didn't point me the other way. You talk about EVE and that it scores an 8.5 and you asked if DFO has improved in other areas beside PvP. Well I agree with you until I compare it to EVE,
PvE:
Eve has shallow boring PvE probably the worst of any MMORPG on the market. There's so little there and it looks unappealing and let's face it DFO PvE is X1000 more engaging and diverse (not that it's difficult to do). I try to name a P2P game with less and more one dimensional and shallow PvE than EVE and I can't do it. This is what MMORPG.com said in the last review,#
"PvE in EVE is often hailed as pretty damn boring – a necessary evil to gain ISK and feed your PvP habits. Perhaps I’m an anomaly but I’ve thoroughly enjoyed some of my PvE experiences."
I enjoyed PvE in EvE also when I played it but I accept it is extremely lacking however this review gives it top marks. He doesn't mention gathering (mining) which is basically a space mining simulator that everyone that isn't crazy uses a bot to do or buys it from botters. Funny how he let that go? Would be nice to do the same for DFO right?
Progression:
From the MMORPG.com review,
"For me, this really hasn’t been too big of an issue; sure, I’m slightly jealous when I see another player fly by in a Vargur (Tech 2 battleship) and realize it’d take me 93 more days to be in their shoes, not counting support skills. But at the same time, I can fly a smaller ship like a frigate or destroyer with relative competence, and I’m not too shabby in my Tech 1 battleship, either. When it comes down to it, you need years of experience to fly a capital ship or be a jack of all trades. But as a newbie, you can do one thing fairly well fairly quickly."
Pretty sweet that the guy doing the review "gets it" and doesn't expect to be flying T2 after 2 weeks but is prepared to wait 3 months before he's flying with the big boys, oh wait he can fly with the big boys but he can't be leader of the pack for some while or go 1v1. Sounds alot like DFO to me, hope this guy does a review of DFO!
PvP:
we know about that both games are focused on it and do it well, if the reviewer didn't like it in DFO he's not going to like it in EVE unless he's a point and click guy rather than twitch in which case he shouldn't be reviewing DFO, agreed?
Econonmy: EvE is unique here in my opinion, the best ingame economy that can't be matched,
"Lastly for the gameplay talk we have economy. I haven’t done much in the way of manufacturing, trading, or market jockeying, but I’m fair impressed with what I know of the system."
Not that the reviewer actually did much concerning the economy but he was impressed, fair enough.
Community:
EvE reviewer says,
"As fantastic as the open-ended game world is, it allows for a brutal brand of honesty not found in many MMOs. Scamming and griefing are allowed in the game so long as exploits aren’t used, and even in hi-sec systems you have to watch your back. Players have found ways of griefing and scamming via the contract system, the corporation system, jettison cans while mining, and so much more. I won’t get into great detail, but the greater population of the game seems to have a general attitude of, “if you aren’t my friend you are my income.”"
Sounds familiar, I played EvE and there are far more elitest pricks (probably like me!) in that game than anywhere else. It doesn't bother me as they are alot less childish than the pricks in most games, however it often devolves into a competition in being nasty to people, sometimes it felt like EVE: "Simon Cowell online". If he can put a positive spin on the EvE community then he can on the DFO community as it's certainly no worse in my experience.
UI:
I loved the EvE UI, again best of any game I played,
"In addition to the corporation window, EVE has an in-game browser that allows you to visit websites that are properly formatted. There’s no need to alt-tab in EVE…you can Google from in game, and look at most corporation/EVE utility sites!
"The downside to this complexity is…well…the complexity. When I first started playing EVE, item descriptions might as well be in Sanskrit. While I’m slowly learning to adapt over time, the UI is a huge learning curve in and of itself."
Complex at first but after you get used to it, it's a powerful tool.
Graphics & Sound:
EvE graphics are put down usually because space is so sparse and it's mostly a black screen. Ships and stuff look good in my opinion but many others don't like it, sound is similar to DFO in that it's rather spartan but in EvE it serves little purpose compared to DFO.
"As stunning as the visual aspects are, the game’s sound has fallen a bit short for me. My sound was promptly turned off as the first volley of missiles nearly defeaned me; even after turning it down the effects were too annoying to leave on."
EvE visually "stunning"? I liked it but please. He hated the effects and turned them off, seems he went from one extreme to the other!
Performance:
DFO beats every other MMORPG I've played, hundreds of people on screen fighting and I'm involved fighting and running FRAPS! No other game has done this, large fleet battles in EvE = slide show,
"One of the most often voiced EVE complaint is about the serverside lag; while the single-cluster model is awesome in terms of economy and community, it’s a drag on the performance."
He even says how he had to log out and petition for a move.
Support:
EvE has good support, only bettered by DFO in my opinion and that's because DFO GMs are faster in response, however if EvE had a smaller playerbase like DFO it'd probably be the same.
"Luckily, as mentioned above, there are GMs to petition to and overall my experience with them has been wonderful. Stuck petitions were handled within 15 minutes; my one mission-bug related petition was addressed within two hours. I’m well impressed by their support so far!"
Conclusions, pros and cons:
"EVE is one of the most complex games I’ve sunk my teeth into. It’s an infinitely gratifying space-sandbox where you can do just about anything, assuming you can take the time to learn the gameplay in a mostly-hostile environment…yeah, newbies are fair prey for griefing and scamming. The technological constraints (performance) are a downer, but the graphics and gameplay opportunities are mind-blowing in their scope."
Jesus that could be a summary of DFO! If this guy reviewed DFO going in the same way he did to EvE I just don't see how DFO could have got a 6 and EvE an 8.5. EvE beats Darkall on things like UI and Economy 100%, whereas DFO wins hands down on Graphics and Performance. Other areas can change due to personal taste but how can they send this guy into review this and give it an 8.5 and DFO a 6?
EvE a more rounded experience? I don't think so, DFO is just as rounded and offers just as much. It offers something for everyone too, remember not so many years ago all the "EvE sux" threads? People calling it a one dimensional piece of trash filled with griefers? If you don't I do, it was the popular thing to point out the glaring inadequacies of EvE which it still has then call it boring trash and a play ground for griefer pricks. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
Perhaps DFO is like you describe EvE? A rounded game experience offering something for all from carebears to killers? Just that alot of people need to take their blinkers off, funny how I can't recall any EvE player or even rabid fanbois saying "DFO sux and is one dimensional trash". Perhaps the games have more in common with eachother core mechanic wise than most other MMORPGs on the market? This game just needs a fair review by someone into that sort of game, like they did for EvE.
It has been a year and alot of updates have happened, enough that most players feel warrant a re-review at some time. Perhaps after the coming graphical update would be best. My point to this whole post is that DFO does offer much the same as EvE ( a rounded game), just like EvE however it'll take people time to realize this and understand it isn't just a stomping ground to kill noobs,
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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Calling me stupid eh player?
That's Cool reported.
Quit with the personal attacks and off-topic and let us get back on topic please.
Thank you.
The problem I have with this statement, particularly regarding Darkfall, is that a gamer has to spend 50 bucks to review the game for themselves.
By choosing not to offer a free trial, Darkfall has left many gamers with no option but to base their opinion of the game on ratings and reviews.
littlemonkey
This also means slowly this game sells it self quality always do so re-review would be nice but its not realy needed.
If people take reviews from mmo's that are just launched SERIEUS then there bit dumb i say.
People just need to read forums see what players of game say about game themselfs.
And with all darkfall players you hardly see negative topics or replys becouse game is rather good now comepare to launch day.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
The problem I have with this statement, particularly regarding Darkfall, is that a gamer has to spend 50 bucks to review the game for themselves.
By choosing not to offer a free trial, Darkfall has left many gamers with no option but to base their opinion of the game on ratings and reviews.
littlemonkey
Why buy game read players topics replys and see youtube movies about darkfall with comments and you can clearly see game has improved alot and very enjoyable and fun to play if your into hardcore free for all pvp.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
If you think ratings on this site reflect how good a game is or might be then you are sadly mistaken. The games with paid advertising on this site always get the good ratings. I can't believe how many people are blind to this fact. Everything has a price in capitalism my friends, even ratings.
The game does not deserve a higher rating than before for the simple fact that it's nowhere near as fun as it was at release since the population is dead.
imo a game gets a review and thats it , period. What that BS with re-review...thats Kindergarten.
There are more and more players every day and population is increasing. I'm having fun and that all that matters.
I just joined a clan of guys that hail from Planetside, a fps pvp game. Out of the 10 members of a guild who transfered over, 8 of them love it, and I believe are in for the long haul.
This game has alot of pvp excitement to offer.
There are more and more players every day and population is increasing. I'm having fun and that all that matters.
This. Any time I go near an NPC city, I'm tripping over n00bs.
The game has just not changed much from launch besides the increase in skill gain and the addition of two specializations. Maybe after this next big patch that is supposed to change the alignment system and add more specializations ( and hopefully fix the current ones ), then DF could be ready for another review.
i think 6 is just about right
Says the one playing Aion......................the game with the most pointless PvP and most boring PvE on the market
Does playing Aion disqualify him from having an opinion? Or does it make it any less relevant then someone's who is not playing Aion? I think 6, at the most 6.5 is a fair mark for DF. See what reasons you come up to disqualify my opinion with.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
An excellent post, and worthy of a better response than I think I can give it w/o being flagged for being OT.
But overall, most of what you pointed out is the result of a review by someone who is favorable to EVE. A more neutral reviewer probably would have been less forgiving and rated it lower.
And there's the issue with a re-review of DF. How can you be sure you'll draw someone better this time around? Or perhaps it should be done by the same person, to see if he likes it better than his first go around?
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There are more and more players every day and population is increasing. I'm having fun and that all that matters.
This. Any time I go near an NPC city, I'm tripping over n00bs.
You guys are probably playing on NA. On EU, I saw 2-3 people at once. very rarely do I see more then 5-7 at the same time. And that's near the starting town. I don't know how many players you see that qualifies as "tripping over", but DF does not have a populated world compared to most other games. Often, the race chat sees only like 3-5 active participants. At those times I kinda miss mindless chit-chat in WoW. Had some chuckles listening to little kids' making text noise.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
There are more and more players every day and population is increasing. I'm having fun and that all that matters.
This. Any time I go near an NPC city, I'm tripping over n00bs.
You guys are probably playing on NA. On EU, I saw 2-3 people at once. very rarely do I see more then 5-7 at the same time. And that's near the starting town. I don't know how many players you see that qualifies as "tripping over", but DF does not have a populated world compared to most other games. Often, the race chat sees only like 3-5 active participants. At those times I kinda miss mindless chit-chat in WoW. Had some chuckles listening to little kids' making text noise.
"tripping over" as in literally crowded. Sorry to hear that EU is not as busy...yes, I play on NA 1.
Also, please rmember...most "other games" have many servers, but each with about the capacity of one of DF's. COnsidering that this isn't MEANT to be a mainstram game, I'd say that for the server size, NA-1's population at least is quite healthy.
Race Alliance is a headache to even attempt to keep up with the most of the time (I stick to clan / clan alliance anyway).
BUT...I see you're tossing in that "other game" into your comment there, and this makes me think you might have unrealistic expectations when another game's population and activity are concearned.
Agree with OP
Also I think that MMO games shouldn't been rated by first impression. First impression is suitable for single player games but no MMO's. Compare this Darkfall has been rated 6 points by first impression, crap game like Tabula Rasa was rated like more than 8 points it kept its rating even if it was close to shutdown.
Im playing this game few months now. And for me the game isnt even 7 if i look at all the criteria to vote for.
For me its around 6-6.5 and still i like the game, but there are too many flaws to give this game a ratting over 7 ...
The highest rating which i gave was only for gameplay rest was meh ...
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