The sad part is I'd rather play STO then play "Spreadsheet online/ SpaceScreensaver Online" = EVE HAHA STO only has a month of play in it, but EVE online takes a month just to get to a point where you can play 8 ) * ducks and covers from all the tomatoes being thrown by EVE fanbois!! gate/wait wait wait/gate /wait wait/ gate/ wait wait wait gate/ wait wait wait /gate wait wait wait wait wait planet gate/ wait station
Looks like you've never actually played EVE before.
Also why did you suddenly bring EVE up? Knocking the popular space MMO isn't going to make the crappy space MMO look any better at all.
The sad part is I'd rather play STO then play "Spreadsheet online/ SpaceScreensaver Online" = EVE HAHA STO only has a month of play in it, but EVE online takes a month just to get to a point where you can play 8 ) * ducks and covers from all the tomatoes being thrown by EVE fanbois!! gate/wait wait wait/gate /wait wait/ gate/ wait wait wait gate/ wait wait wait /gate wait wait wait wait wait planet gate/ wait station
Looks like you've never actually played EVE before.
Also why did you suddenly bring EVE up? Knocking the popular space MMO isn't going to make the crappy space MMO look any better at all.
I agree. people try to deflect the conversation all the time. it is either EVE or WOW anything to turn the conversation from the abortion that STO has become.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Looks like you've never actually played EVE before.
There's an old joke among Star Fleet Battles players, describing what that game portrays:
Shipboard life is six months of boredom, followed by six minutes of sheer, stark, screaming terror. SFB is supposed to represent the "six minutes of terror".
I think CCP modeled EVE after the "six months of boredom".
And before you direct your barrage at me, I've been subbed for about a year and a half. I like it as a sim, but if you want to play a game you're looking for something else most of the time.
STO is fine - not great, but fine. You guys need a better hobby than sitting in these forums bitching about a bunch of games you never actually play.
True enough... but the fact that the 44% slash happened at all is very telling. Just in the simplist supply & demnad outook, somehting that is new and seelling well doesn't need a 50% drop. Even for one day.
Maybe I missed it, but the fact they haven't bragged about their sales and/or sub numbers tells me all I need to know about how they are doing. I know they said they topped the UK sales chart for a week, but no numbers are given, and week ending March 6th they dropped to 18th on that same chart. I'm wondering if they even sold 500k boxes world wide.
Maybe I missed it, but the fact they haven't bragged about their sales and/or sub numbers tells me all I need to know about how they are doing. I know they said they topped the UK sales chart for a week, but no numbers are given, and week ending March 6th they dropped to 18th on that same chart. I'm wondering if they even sold 500k boxes world wide.
At one point they claimed they had a million forum accounts. The way they announced it though left things open to interpretation and many people assumed that meant they had a million sto subscriptions. They should have some pretty reliable download numbers though so I don't know why they're not advertising that.
Maybe I missed it, but the fact they haven't bragged about their sales and/or sub numbers tells me all I need to know about how they are doing. I know they said they topped the UK sales chart for a week, but no numbers are given, and week ending March 6th they dropped to 18th on that same chart. I'm wondering if they even sold 500k boxes world wide.
At one point they claimed they had a million forum accounts. The way they announced it though left things open to interpretation and many people assumed that meant they had a million sto subscriptions. They should have some pretty reliable download numbers though so I don't know why they're not advertising that.
That was a feeble attempt to make people think they sold one million units. If they sold one million units, they would have said so instead of using "accounts", which are free to make. They even had to fudge THOSE numbers because the STO forums only have about 645k members, the other numbers they used to get to one million must have included CO forums members, or they just lied...take your pick.
Maybe I missed it, but the fact they haven't bragged about their sales and/or sub numbers tells me all I need to know about how they are doing. I know they said they topped the UK sales chart for a week, but no numbers are given, and week ending March 6th they dropped to 18th on that same chart. I'm wondering if they even sold 500k boxes world wide.
At one point they claimed they had a million forum accounts. The way they announced it though left things open to interpretation and many people assumed that meant they had a million sto subscriptions. They should have some pretty reliable download numbers though so I don't know why they're not advertising that.
That was a feeble attempt to make people think they sold one million units. If they sold one million units, they would have said so instead of using "accounts", which are free to make. They even had to fudge THOSE numbers because the STO forums only have about 645k members, the other numbers they used to get to one million must have included CO forums members, or they just lied...take your pick.
LOL, the same way a company will announce they were in the top 100.
'Wonder where they were in that ranking?'
"Well it sure wasn't the top 5, 10, 25, 50 or even the top 75. Because they would of announced it that way!"
Yeah, they were fudging information to make it sound impressive.
Err, yes. This is where I found STO on sale. I'm not really talking about the sale, I wouldn't play this game if I were paid. I'm talking about the fire sale. 44% off by March 9. Hah. 36 days? Really?
I don't know, I think you're reaching. It's the deal of the day. I've seen several new releases on Amazon's DOD or the side deals.
$5 or $10 on new releases is promotional. 44% off of the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate.
Well, now it's back to 40.00 (39.99) so I think it was just a sale. I actually read some advertising that it was being offered as a one time deal.
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Err, yes. This is where I found STO on sale. I'm not really talking about the sale, I wouldn't play this game if I were paid. I'm talking about the fire sale. 44% off by March 9. Hah. 36 days? Really?
I don't know, I think you're reaching. It's the deal of the day. I've seen several new releases on Amazon's DOD or the side deals.
$5 or $10 on new releases is promotional. 44% off of the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate.
Well, now it's back to 40.00 (39.99) so I think it was just a sale. I actually read some advertising that it was being offered as a one time deal.
I highly doubt this was a one-time deal. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but 44% off the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate. Bio Shock 2 was released 7 days after STO and I've never seen that title for more than $5.00 off the retail price as of today. 44% off, regardless of the length of sale, is desperation. I guarantee if you put BioShock 2 or similar high-rated title as a 44% off sale today that you would have astronomical sales. This did not happen for STO. It didn't even come up on the radar at popular deal hunting sites like Slickdeals, which is the ultimate scale for popularity/sales.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Eldaer
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Eldaer
Originally posted by Sevenwind
Originally posted by Eldaer
Err, yes. This is where I found STO on sale. I'm not really talking about the sale, I wouldn't play this game if I were paid. I'm talking about the fire sale. 44% off by March 9. Hah. 36 days? Really?
I don't know, I think you're reaching. It's the deal of the day. I've seen several new releases on Amazon's DOD or the side deals.
$5 or $10 on new releases is promotional. 44% off of the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate.
Well, now it's back to 40.00 (39.99) so I think it was just a sale. I actually read some advertising that it was being offered as a one time deal.
I highly doubt this was a one-time deal. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but 44% off the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate. Bio Shock 2 was released 7 days after STO and I've never seen that title for more than $5.00 off the retail price as of today. 44% off, regardless of the length of sale, is desperation. I guarantee if you put BioShock 2 or similar high-rated title as a 44% off sale today that you would have astronomical sales. Which is not the case for STO, obviously.
This links in the thread show that it was just a one day sale if it wasn't the price would still be lower, but it isn't. Amazon game deal of the day. Marketing an mmo works a tad differently.
Bioshock doesn't come with a monthly sub does it...
You have already admitted that you wouldn't play ST:O anyway, so what does a ONE DAY deal got to do with anything.
Err, yes. This is where I found STO on sale. I'm not really talking about the sale, I wouldn't play this game if I were paid. I'm talking about the fire sale. 44% off by March 9. Hah. 36 days? Really?
I don't know, I think you're reaching. It's the deal of the day. I've seen several new releases on Amazon's DOD or the side deals.
$5 or $10 on new releases is promotional. 44% off of the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate.
Well, now it's back to 40.00 (39.99) so I think it was just a sale. I actually read some advertising that it was being offered as a one time deal.
I highly doubt this was a one-time deal. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but 44% off the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate. Bio Shock 2 was released 7 days after STO and I've never seen that title for more than $5.00 off the retail price as of today. 44% off, regardless of the length of sale, is desperation. I guarantee if you put BioShock 2 or similar high-rated title as a 44% off sale today that you would have astronomical sales. Which is not the case for STO, obviously.
This links in the thread show that it was just a one day sale if it wasn't the price would still be lower, but it isn't. Amazon game deal of the day. Marketing an mmo works a tad differently.
Bioshock doesn't come with a monthly sub does it...
You have already admitted that you wouldn't play ST:O anyway, so what does a ONE DAY deal got to do with anything.
First, you sound like a STO fanboi.
Secondly, you're reading my posts how you want to. I've clearly stated that regardless of whether it's a 1-day sale, a 1-week sale or a permanent price change, the fact that it sliced 44% off of the retail price for ANY GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME is a sign of desperation.
Your monthly sub argument is invalid. You are making the assumption that STO has a game worth paying a monthly subscription to play, which it obviously does not. Saying a game is comparable in price point because you can actually play this poorly executed debacle with no additional charge for 30 days is completely irrelevant.
First, you sound like a STO fanboi. Secondly, you're reading my posts how you want to. I've clearly stated that regardless of whether it's a 1-day sale, a 1-week sale or a permanent price change, the fact that it sliced 44% off of the retail price for ANY GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME is a sign of desperation. Your monthly sub argument is invalid. You are making the assumption that STO has a game worth paying a monthly subscription to play, which it obviously does not. Saying a game is comparable in price point because you can actually play this poorly executed debacle with no additional charge for 30 days is completely irrelevant.
Ah when people disagree you must be a fanboi. Boy that just gets old as the day is long.
I just want to comment to say that how do you know that STO isn't worth the monthly sub? You admitted you don't play the game and wouldn't if they paid you. So that is your opinion. Other players of the game which I'm sure you'll call fanbois think their is enough of a game to warrent a monthly sub. It's just a bad argument.
And who the heck cares other than Cryptic if it is a sign of desperation? It's a damn good deal for the consumer. Sorry but the game isn't going to die six months from now or a year from now. If anything it will find its niche market and keep plugging along.
Gamestop is selling it for 29.99 plus you get 400 cryptic points in all their stores.
OmaliMMO Business CorrespondentMemberUncommonPosts: 1,177
Originally posted by Eldaer
First, you sound like a STO fanboi.
Secondly, you're reading my posts how you want to. I've clearly stated that regardless of whether it's a 1-day sale, a 1-week sale or a permanent price change, the fact that it sliced 44% off of the retail price for ANY GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME is a sign of desperation.
Your monthly sub argument is invalid. You are making the assumption that STO has a game worth paying a monthly subscription to play, which it obviously does not. Saying a game is comparable in price point because you can actually play this poorly executed debacle with no additional charge for 30 days is completely irrelevant.
Cryptic posted that Star Trek Online has over one hundred thousand subscribers. Sales =/= Desperation.
In fact, it was Gabe from Valve who gave a keynote speech at DICE 2009 where he talked about the benefits of price reductions to unit sales, noting:
10% sale = 35% increase in sales (real dollars, not units shipped)
Doesnt surprise me that there is a fire-sale on STO so soon as STO was the absolute worst mmorpg to be released in a long time.
This game is garbage to most mmorpg players, I believe. Its a shallow third-person space shooter that lacks much of the staples of mainstream mmorpgs.
I find that lacks lasting game-play appeal, as many have eluded to.
- There doesn't seem to be much respect for the Star Trek IP.
- Space is space-less. Each map is nothing more than a confining shoe-box, a small space of nothing to interact with.
- There is no game-play freedom of exploration. No exploration to other planets or discovery; again, your confined to your shoe-box instance. There's nothing dynamically to do in this game that would be reminiscent of Star Trek.
- If you do see a planet on an instanced map, there is no "away-team" capability to freely explore its surface. Its nothing more than a static inactive marble that you bounce off of in your confined instance.
- Space flight is confining and lacks freedom. There's a limited z-axis that prevents looping or gaining weapons locks on ships that are above or below, yet in front of you in many cases. It just adds to the unnecessary maneuvering of your ship.
- Space is life-less, other than the instance nodes that you bump into to enter for a ship pve encounter, or to wait in a long line of trying to perform pvp with other players; its esentially a single-player lobby system game that your forced to pay $15 a
month for. If you see an opposing faction player on a system map, there is absolutely no engagement.
- Content is sorely lacking to the point where very very early on in this game, the 'instanced' pve quests are nothing more than similar repeatable maps and mobs of previous quests done; the static nature of pve and its' redundancy is astounding.
- Quest copywriting seems very week that leads to weak story engagement or sense of draw that your actually contributing to a story-arc or meaningfully contributing to federation or klingon game-play.
- Space and ground game-play combat has the most limiting, redundant, Quake 3rd-person shooter type feel of any game in the mmorpg market; its shallow.
- There is no physics to ground combat as there is no physics to space combat that factor into game-play.
- Ground and Space pvp combat amounts to a frag-fest of limited players and non-tactical or strategic importance in any respect to story or game-play in this faction vs. faction environment.
- Like a 3rd-person or first-person shooter, the player-vs-player stuff is without any game-play contributory value, other than winning a small confining map, it amounts to run, gun, die, or run,gun, win, limp, die. But your rewarded as much for being a loser as a winner; no mmoprg game-play distinction. I havent found the game-play nutrition in this yet.
- There is no reasonable complimentary opposite to winning. You win in space and on ground, you get a battery or such (a weak reward), you lose on space or on ground, you miraculously reappear next to the fight to battle like a button mashing mindless drone without consequences again. Lack of consequences to death has turned this title into a series of suicide runs for the same exact reward I get for battling tactically and strategically. The grossly equivalent rewards for those that die often is enough to leave this game.
The lack of any penalty for being a suicide player is astounding. So, as a Klingon that must rely on pvp matches to level, when these suicide players enter a match just to roll into klingons without putting up any fight, but just to died repeatedly and quickly to get the match over so they can rinse and repeat, thats considered good game-design and fauir play at my game-play expense?
There are several things missing, underwelming and poorly implemented in STO, and this has got to rank at the top of the list. . .they, those that die purposely and repeatedly without consequence, advance their own rush for experience at others game-play and immersion expense are exasperating a real problem; they are rewarded handsomely for being losers; figuratively and literally by Cryptic.
- The community (massively multiplayer) element of this mmorpg is very fragmented (as opposed to expanded and cooperative) due to the great number of single-player feel instances. Community feels fragmented to one of those several small instanced zones that does nothing to encourage the feel of massively multiplayer entertainment.
- No alternative industry, aka, no resource gathering towards community crafting, enterprise, or merchandising elements for the federation or klingons. Would be nice if this mmorpg staple were available to players, rather than being non-existant.
Perhaps if the game game with an oxygen mask to keep me awake as I played it, perhaps cryptic might have gotten an extra month out of me.
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Looks like you've never actually played EVE before.
Also why did you suddenly bring EVE up? Knocking the popular space MMO isn't going to make the crappy space MMO look any better at all.
Looks like you've never actually played EVE before.
Also why did you suddenly bring EVE up? Knocking the popular space MMO isn't going to make the crappy space MMO look any better at all.
I agree. people try to deflect the conversation all the time. it is either EVE or WOW anything to turn the conversation from the abortion that STO has become.
Today only:
There's an old joke among Star Fleet Battles players, describing what that game portrays:
Shipboard life is six months of boredom, followed by six minutes of sheer, stark, screaming terror. SFB is supposed to represent the "six minutes of terror".
I think CCP modeled EVE after the "six months of boredom".
And before you direct your barrage at me, I've been subbed for about a year and a half. I like it as a sim, but if you want to play a game you're looking for something else most of the time.
STO is fine - not great, but fine. You guys need a better hobby than sitting in these forums bitching about a bunch of games you never actually play.
They get a 20 million bonus from Atari if they hit some undisclosed revenue targets.
http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/atari-acquires-cryptic-studios/
Atari-Cryptic "Station" subscription? $15 a month and get to play both?
And back up to $40, nice ONE day sale.
www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Online-Pc/dp/B002673XJA/ref=br_lf_m_1000486651_1_1_img
True enough... but the fact that the 44% slash happened at all is very telling. Just in the simplist supply & demnad outook, somehting that is new and seelling well doesn't need a 50% drop. Even for one day.
Maybe I missed it, but the fact they haven't bragged about their sales and/or sub numbers tells me all I need to know about how they are doing. I know they said they topped the UK sales chart for a week, but no numbers are given, and week ending March 6th they dropped to 18th on that same chart. I'm wondering if they even sold 500k boxes world wide.
What they don't sell they can always throw away.
Ahhh ATARI, filling landfills with their games since 1982....
That should be their slogan. :P
Well ET is probably pretty lonely after all this time.
At one point they claimed they had a million forum accounts. The way they announced it though left things open to interpretation and many people assumed that meant they had a million sto subscriptions. They should have some pretty reliable download numbers though so I don't know why they're not advertising that.
At one point they claimed they had a million forum accounts. The way they announced it though left things open to interpretation and many people assumed that meant they had a million sto subscriptions. They should have some pretty reliable download numbers though so I don't know why they're not advertising that.
That was a feeble attempt to make people think they sold one million units. If they sold one million units, they would have said so instead of using "accounts", which are free to make. They even had to fudge THOSE numbers because the STO forums only have about 645k members, the other numbers they used to get to one million must have included CO forums members, or they just lied...take your pick.
At one point they claimed they had a million forum accounts. The way they announced it though left things open to interpretation and many people assumed that meant they had a million sto subscriptions. They should have some pretty reliable download numbers though so I don't know why they're not advertising that.
That was a feeble attempt to make people think they sold one million units. If they sold one million units, they would have said so instead of using "accounts", which are free to make. They even had to fudge THOSE numbers because the STO forums only have about 645k members, the other numbers they used to get to one million must have included CO forums members, or they just lied...take your pick.
LOL, the same way a company will announce they were in the top 100.
'Wonder where they were in that ranking?'
"Well it sure wasn't the top 5, 10, 25, 50 or even the top 75. Because they would of announced it that way!"
Yeah, they were fudging information to make it sound impressive.
I don't know, I think you're reaching. It's the deal of the day. I've seen several new releases on Amazon's DOD or the side deals.
$5 or $10 on new releases is promotional. 44% off of the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate.
Well, now it's back to 40.00 (39.99) so I think it was just a sale. I actually read some advertising that it was being offered as a one time deal.
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I don't know, I think you're reaching. It's the deal of the day. I've seen several new releases on Amazon's DOD or the side deals.
$5 or $10 on new releases is promotional. 44% off of the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate.
Well, now it's back to 40.00 (39.99) so I think it was just a sale. I actually read some advertising that it was being offered as a one time deal.
I highly doubt this was a one-time deal. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but 44% off the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate. Bio Shock 2 was released 7 days after STO and I've never seen that title for more than $5.00 off the retail price as of today. 44% off, regardless of the length of sale, is desperation. I guarantee if you put BioShock 2 or similar high-rated title as a 44% off sale today that you would have astronomical sales. This did not happen for STO. It didn't even come up on the radar at popular deal hunting sites like Slickdeals, which is the ultimate scale for popularity/sales.
I don't know, I think you're reaching. It's the deal of the day. I've seen several new releases on Amazon's DOD or the side deals.
$5 or $10 on new releases is promotional. 44% off of the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate.
Well, now it's back to 40.00 (39.99) so I think it was just a sale. I actually read some advertising that it was being offered as a one time deal.
I highly doubt this was a one-time deal. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but 44% off the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate. Bio Shock 2 was released 7 days after STO and I've never seen that title for more than $5.00 off the retail price as of today. 44% off, regardless of the length of sale, is desperation. I guarantee if you put BioShock 2 or similar high-rated title as a 44% off sale today that you would have astronomical sales. Which is not the case for STO, obviously.
This links in the thread show that it was just a one day sale if it wasn't the price would still be lower, but it isn't. Amazon game deal of the day. Marketing an mmo works a tad differently.
Bioshock doesn't come with a monthly sub does it...
You have already admitted that you wouldn't play ST:O anyway, so what does a ONE DAY deal got to do with anything.
I don't know, I think you're reaching. It's the deal of the day. I've seen several new releases on Amazon's DOD or the side deals.
$5 or $10 on new releases is promotional. 44% off of the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate.
Well, now it's back to 40.00 (39.99) so I think it was just a sale. I actually read some advertising that it was being offered as a one time deal.
I highly doubt this was a one-time deal. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but 44% off the normal retail price 5 weeks into the release is desperate. Bio Shock 2 was released 7 days after STO and I've never seen that title for more than $5.00 off the retail price as of today. 44% off, regardless of the length of sale, is desperation. I guarantee if you put BioShock 2 or similar high-rated title as a 44% off sale today that you would have astronomical sales. Which is not the case for STO, obviously.
This links in the thread show that it was just a one day sale if it wasn't the price would still be lower, but it isn't. Amazon game deal of the day. Marketing an mmo works a tad differently.
Bioshock doesn't come with a monthly sub does it...
You have already admitted that you wouldn't play ST:O anyway, so what does a ONE DAY deal got to do with anything.
First, you sound like a STO fanboi.
Secondly, you're reading my posts how you want to. I've clearly stated that regardless of whether it's a 1-day sale, a 1-week sale or a permanent price change, the fact that it sliced 44% off of the retail price for ANY GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME is a sign of desperation.
Your monthly sub argument is invalid. You are making the assumption that STO has a game worth paying a monthly subscription to play, which it obviously does not. Saying a game is comparable in price point because you can actually play this poorly executed debacle with no additional charge for 30 days is completely irrelevant.
Ah when people disagree you must be a fanboi. Boy that just gets old as the day is long.
I just want to comment to say that how do you know that STO isn't worth the monthly sub? You admitted you don't play the game and wouldn't if they paid you. So that is your opinion. Other players of the game which I'm sure you'll call fanbois think their is enough of a game to warrent a monthly sub. It's just a bad argument.
And who the heck cares other than Cryptic if it is a sign of desperation? It's a damn good deal for the consumer. Sorry but the game isn't going to die six months from now or a year from now. If anything it will find its niche market and keep plugging along.
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Gamestop is selling it for 29.99 plus you get 400 cryptic points in all their stores.
Cryptic posted that Star Trek Online has over one hundred thousand subscribers. Sales =/= Desperation.
In fact, it was Gabe from Valve who gave a keynote speech at DICE 2009 where he talked about the benefits of price reductions to unit sales, noting:
10% sale = 35% increase in sales (real dollars, not units shipped)
25% sale = 245% increase in sales
50% sale = 320% increase in sales
75% sale = 1470% increase in salesPfft, when it starts selling for $5 or $10, gimme a call.
What makes me laugh is sad attempts at bashing STO at every given oppertunity.
Doesnt surprise me that there is a fire-sale on STO so soon as STO was the absolute worst mmorpg to be released in a long time.
This game is garbage to most mmorpg players, I believe. Its a shallow third-person space shooter that lacks much of the staples of mainstream mmorpgs.
I find that lacks lasting game-play appeal, as many have eluded to.
- There doesn't seem to be much respect for the Star Trek IP.
- Space is space-less. Each map is nothing more than a confining shoe-box, a small space of nothing to interact with.
- There is no game-play freedom of exploration. No exploration to other planets or discovery; again, your confined to your shoe-box instance. There's nothing dynamically to do in this game that would be reminiscent of Star Trek.
- If you do see a planet on an instanced map, there is no "away-team" capability to freely explore its surface. Its nothing more than a static inactive marble that you bounce off of in your confined instance.
- Space flight is confining and lacks freedom. There's a limited z-axis that prevents looping or gaining weapons locks on ships that are above or below, yet in front of you in many cases. It just adds to the unnecessary maneuvering of your ship.
- Space is life-less, other than the instance nodes that you bump into to enter for a ship pve encounter, or to wait in a long line of trying to perform pvp with other players; its esentially a single-player lobby system game that your forced to pay $15 a
month for. If you see an opposing faction player on a system map, there is absolutely no engagement.
- Content is sorely lacking to the point where very very early on in this game, the 'instanced' pve quests are nothing more than similar repeatable maps and mobs of previous quests done; the static nature of pve and its' redundancy is astounding.
- Quest copywriting seems very week that leads to weak story engagement or sense of draw that your actually contributing to a story-arc or meaningfully contributing to federation or klingon game-play.
- Space and ground game-play combat has the most limiting, redundant, Quake 3rd-person shooter type feel of any game in the mmorpg market; its shallow.
- There is no physics to ground combat as there is no physics to space combat that factor into game-play.
- Ground and Space pvp combat amounts to a frag-fest of limited players and non-tactical or strategic importance in any respect to story or game-play in this faction vs. faction environment.
- Like a 3rd-person or first-person shooter, the player-vs-player stuff is without any game-play contributory value, other than winning a small confining map, it amounts to run, gun, die, or run,gun, win, limp, die. But your rewarded as much for being a loser as a winner; no mmoprg game-play distinction. I havent found the game-play nutrition in this yet.
- There is no reasonable complimentary opposite to winning. You win in space and on ground, you get a battery or such (a weak reward), you lose on space or on ground, you miraculously reappear next to the fight to battle like a button mashing mindless drone without consequences again. Lack of consequences to death has turned this title into a series of suicide runs for the same exact reward I get for battling tactically and strategically. The grossly equivalent rewards for those that die often is enough to leave this game.
The lack of any penalty for being a suicide player is astounding. So, as a Klingon that must rely on pvp matches to level, when these suicide players enter a match just to roll into klingons without putting up any fight, but just to died repeatedly and quickly to get the match over so they can rinse and repeat, thats considered good game-design and fauir play at my game-play expense?
There are several things missing, underwelming and poorly implemented in STO, and this has got to rank at the top of the list. . .they, those that die purposely and repeatedly without consequence, advance their own rush for experience at others game-play and immersion expense are exasperating a real problem; they are rewarded handsomely for being losers; figuratively and literally by Cryptic.
- The community (massively multiplayer) element of this mmorpg is very fragmented (as opposed to expanded and cooperative) due to the great number of single-player feel instances. Community feels fragmented to one of those several small instanced zones that does nothing to encourage the feel of massively multiplayer entertainment.
- No alternative industry, aka, no resource gathering towards community crafting, enterprise, or merchandising elements for the federation or klingons. Would be nice if this mmorpg staple were available to players, rather than being non-existant.
Perhaps if the game game with an oxygen mask to keep me awake as I played it, perhaps cryptic might have gotten an extra month out of me.
what is worse is that i liked the game
been about 4 weeks and i am at mid level or lower
but i was thinking a space ship flying around in space and running into planets and other players and weird stuff
while the story lines focused on you and your crew
instead - a map with clutter? you find a planet and you don;t do anythng there? (click a glowing thing)
no monsters, wierd races etc?
the ol adage "less is more" would have gone far
no leveling- no loot- no changing ships all the time to get to a dumb ship
How about one ship - first person view- a ship you get attached to- add to etc.
if anything the old mmo way of doing things is hampering everything