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I remember the interview.
THE Rooster Nash
Yes, if it would be truth. Bioware is tho, very generic and average dev studio since they parted the cooperation with Interplay's Black Isle. EA has a horrible nose for sensing good dev studios they buy, Bioware will be no exception.
Check their review Scores across the board, both player and professional. Then say what you just did.
The day when I seriously start taking "reviews" or popularity into consideration, will be the day when sun turns into supernova and scorch the earth.
There is nothing good about mass hysteria. If you played one of the Bioware's games, you've played them all, they all follow the same plot generic template. Then they pay Martin Sheen to do the voice acting, and an adv on a couple of gaming websites, and the success is ensured - at least for the absent minded.
Just so you know, the sun wont go supernova
not big enough.
I agree 100%
I grew up playing Blizzard games with all my friends. Their games had such a following that it was like a culture of its own. That's what makes a game like WoW such a hit I think. Just playing the game is like a badge of honor and because you know there are millions of others playing it as well. Blizzard also puts so much care into the artistic side of their games - even more than the gameplay.
I agree that Blizzard is an amazing company. I have always loved their games and I have HUGE respect for them. However, I also have huge respect for Bethesda. Bioware, Blizzard, and Bethesda are actually my three favorite gaming companies (in that order). All three of these companies consistently deliver games of higher quality than are found from most of their competitors.
I don't think it is fair to say that Bioware does not innovate since the dynamic RPG style they have used in their games was entirely of their own creation and has been evolving continually since Baldur's Gate. Their approach to choice-driven storytelling is unique in the industry and no one else even comes close to delivering what Bioware offers in that regard. Even in terms of gameplay, both Dragon Age and Mass Effect have very unique game mechanics and feel and are both very different from each other. Yet both are great games in my opinion.
I have been so enthralled with Bioware's games over the years that I have great faith that SWTOR will deliver.
Yes, if it would be truth. Bioware is tho, very generic and average dev studio since they parted the cooperation with Interplay's Black Isle. EA has a horrible nose for sensing good dev studios they buy, Bioware will be no exception.
Check their review Scores across the board, both player and professional. Then say what you just did.
The day when I seriously start taking "reviews" or popularity into consideration, will be the day when sun turns into supernova and scorch the earth.
There is nothing good about mass hysteria. If you played one of the Bioware's games, you've played them all, they all follow the same plot generic template. Then they pay Martin Sheen to do the voice acting, and an adv on a couple of gaming websites, and the success is ensured - at least for the absent minded.
Just so you know, the sun wont go supernova
not big enough.
True. The sun is on track to die in around 5 billion years when all its hydrogen has been expended. I'm thinking by then we'll be so busy exploring the universe that we won't have time for video games..
I agree 100%
I grew up playing Blizzard games with all my friends. Their games had such a following that it was like a culture of its own. That's what makes a game like WoW such a hit I think. Just playing the game is like a badge of honor and because you know there are millions of others playing it as well. Blizzard also puts so much care into the artistic side of their games - even more than the gameplay.
I agree that Blizzard is an amazing company. I have always loved their games and I have HUGE respect for them. However, I also have huge respect for Bethesda. Bioware, Blizzard, and Bethesda are actually my three favorite gaming companies (in that order). All three of these companies consistently deliver games of higher quality than are found from most of their competitors.
I don't think it is fair to say that Bioware does not innovate since the dynamic RPG style they have used in their games was entirely of their own creation and has been evolving continually since Baldur's Gate. Their approach to choice-driven storytelling is unique in the industry and no one else even comes close to delivering what Bioware offers in that regard. Even in terms of gameplay, both Dragon Age and Mass Effect have very unique game mechanics and feel and are both very different from each other. Yet both are great games in my opinion.
I have been so enthralled with Bioware's games over the years that I have great faith that SWTOR will deliver.
The three Bs are really my favorite companies too now that I think of it. Each really delivers a different kind of game style too. Blizzard was more into the competitive strategy(especially their RTSs or Diablo 2), Bethesda delivered the truly free-roam RPGs(Morrowind is still one of my favorite games), and Bioware always delivers games with an emphasis on story (and I absolutely love the attention to detail they give especially the voice acting/dialogue).
You could probably get rid of every other game developer and I'd be happy. Except maybe Square Enix
Also it's a lot harder to explain what Square Enix does right. It's more of the overall presentation that has drawn me to Final Fantasy games.
gonna be a good one i hope, still wish it was mass effect mmo tho
Uhh... what?
I agree 100%
I grew up playing Blizzard games with all my friends. Their games had such a following that it was like a culture of its own. That's what makes a game like WoW such a hit I think. Just playing the game is like a badge of honor and because you know there are millions of others playing it as well. Blizzard also puts so much care into the artistic side of their games - even more than the gameplay.*
*This is opinion. I used to be a massive fan of Blizzard, to the extent that I had every game, many books, collector's editions and so on. I even got to beta test WoW. I did exactly what I do now with BioWare and SW:TOR (BioWare became my number one after KOTOR), which was investigate and research everything going into the premiere of their first MMORPG. For almost two years after the release, I held Blizzard and WoW in high regards, a mistake I would soon regret. They became passive toward the casual community, redundantly excersized their ability to create the SAME armor and weapons in different colors (NOT artistic at all), and provided no challenge to the game after the release of TBC. I was thoroughly disappointed. After airing my views in the WoW forums for over a year, and amassing a strong following within said forums, whilst remaining very civil and still paying my monthly dues, Blizzard had me removed from the forums. I was a "disruption to the progression and well-being of the game." But how was I? Was it possible that people started seeing light in the issue. I just wanted some quality content. All I got was passive gaming and repetitive recolored armor. Shortly after being removed from the forums, I quit the game.
And in looking back, I realize that I really did waste a lot of time with that game. Shadowbane was more fun to me, but my friends insisted on playing WoW. Heck, SWG was more fun, and I didn't really play much of that game until after NGE.
Forgive me, but WoW having any artistic value is just ludicrous.
THE Rooster Nash
I agree 100%
I grew up playing Blizzard games with all my friends. Their games had such a following that it was like a culture of its own. That's what makes a game like WoW such a hit I think. Just playing the game is like a badge of honor and because you know there are millions of others playing it as well. Blizzard also puts so much care into the artistic side of their games - even more than the gameplay.
I agree that Blizzard is an amazing company. I have always loved their games and I have HUGE respect for them. However, I also have huge respect for Bethesda. Bioware, Blizzard, and Bethesda are actually my three favorite gaming companies (in that order). All three of these companies consistently deliver games of higher quality than are found from most of their competitors.
I don't think it is fair to say that Bioware does not innovate since the dynamic RPG style they have used in their games was entirely of their own creation and has been evolving continually since Baldur's Gate. Their approach to choice-driven storytelling is unique in the industry and no one else even comes close to delivering what Bioware offers in that regard. Even in terms of gameplay, both Dragon Age and Mass Effect have very unique game mechanics and feel and are both very different from each other. Yet both are great games in my opinion.
I have been so enthralled with Bioware's games over the years that I have great faith that SWTOR will deliver.
The three Bs are really my favorite companies too now that I think of it. Each really delivers a different kind of game style too. Blizzard was more into the competitive strategy(especially their RTSs or Diablo 2), Bethesda delivered the truly free-roam RPGs(Morrowind is still one of my favorite games), and Bioware always delivers games with an emphasis on story (and I absolutely love the attention to detail they give especially the voice acting/dialogue).
You could probably get rid of every other game developer and I'd be happy. Except maybe Square Enix
Also it's a lot harder to explain what Square Enix does right. It's more of the overall presentation that has drawn me to Final Fantasy games.
I have a pretty good idea of what Square does right. It's simple but it all ties back to the name of their most popular franchise, "Final Fantasy." Better than anyone else, Square creates games that evoke the very concept of fantasy. When playing a FF game it actually feels like I'm in a fantastical setting with every character exuding emotion. Other developers' games don't tend to capture the fantasy or emotion as accurately as Square.
Square has near perfect timing and pace.
I don't know much about the armor sets because I never really got into raiding when I played WoW. I was referring more to the artistic side of how they developed the environments, the holiday events, the overall themes. I like what they did with all the vibrant colors. Most MMOs I've played before it had really bland/dull colors. Shadowbane had interesting PvP but IMO it was a very ugly game. Just various shades of brown textures and low polygon objects/characters.
While I appreciate what WoW offers to the millions of players that subscribe to it, it's definitely not something I want to play. There's too much emphasis on grinding/raiding for better gear and not enough fun social elements like SWG once had.
Just so you know, the sun wont go supernova
not big enough.
Great thanks, but just so you know that was actually the point of the superlative expression.
REALITY CHECK
I think that the simple price tag is somewhat de-railing the discussion off from what really matters: how much of that money spent will actually result in something tangible to the players. Although one can say that voice acting is a value in itself, I would personally rather see that money spent on an additional depth to the gameplay by implementing some horizontal progression etc. Now all we do know is that it costs a lot but nothing much from the gameplay.
Certainly a shiny tradition gives a hint of the level of polish to come, but sadly it tells fairly little will there be that "thing" which will hook you into it. I think that the positive things that speak on behalf of this game succeeding is that they can use the expertise Mythic has managed to gather from their previous MMOs. Therefore, although Bioware per se doesn't have any prior experience with MMOs they have the needed know-how in their team. Combine this knowledge with Bioware fortes -- good story-telling and a long tradition of creating RPGs -- and we have a chance to see a good game, but the amount of money spent won't tell it.
Edited for you.
Furious Fighters
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm
well actuall it was 63 million over 4 1/2 years. But a you could shave off about 15 million becuase they had to borrow that at the end when they realized how popular it was to about to become to upgrade all the euqipment add more servers etc.
Track back the thread to its start. I stated an opinion why I think Bioware is not so great dev studio - I mentioned 6 points. I never brought the popularity topic into this. Popularity was an argument used against me "look how popular it is!"
REALITY CHECK
i wish them luck. they are going to need it.
As for BioWare games being the best,ermm that's debatable to say the least.
BG1 -great game
BG2- great game
NWN 1 -great game
Jade Empire-good game
KOTOR- good game over hyped
NWN 2 - not so good
ME1- Okay
DAO- way over hyped and damn right boring movie mode
ME2- more of the same movie.
BioWare game = boring predictable movies,play one and you have played them all.
I would choose "The Witcher EE" over at least 7 of them.
BioWare are churning out the same boring movie rpg that hold nothing new.
Their was nothing adult about DAO,it was kids play..
Alpha from 7 months ago www.youtube.com/watch
Thank god "the Witcher 2 is coming out,nothing beats them games for story.
This dev team put the so called best dev team to shame,especially when "the witcher" was their first game.
I still love this intro.. www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-full-the-witcher/27143
BioWare who?
Furious Fighters
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm
imo it doesnt matter how good/bad swtor is going to be, the only way it will be able to match wow numbers is to have a equivalent TV marketing campain. Why, because a majority of gamers don't visit forums, webites to see what games will be coming out, and TV ads can get non-gamers to buy the game they saw on TV for friends and family. Ex, my uncle bought my cousin wow because he saw an add on tv, after a few weeks my uncle and 10 of my cousins friends were playing wow. The next MMO to advertise during the superbowl is going to be the next to break 1 mil subs, with 160 mil people watching last year you only need .6% of those people to buy one copy of the game for themselves or another person. Thne you just need a decent enough game to keep a majority playing.
About BioWare, I don't think they are the best game dev in the world, but they are becoming the smartest. Their games are honestly getting worse every year(exception was ME2 cause it was slightly beeter thn #1), but only because they have recognized the importance of allocating more of the budget to marketing. Are their games sub-par to what they used to make, sure. Are their games still fun, yes. Do they make a ton of money, you bet. So the question with the gaming industry the way is has become isnt can swtor be a better game than wow, it's can they make more money off of it than wow while making the game fun for mutiple years. If they make the money the game can only get better.
I could see Bioware airing SWTOR commercials. I've already seen plenty of Dragon Age commercials.
The number of sales of BIoware games speaks for itself. If general population was as average in their taste for games(in your opinion ofcourse) they would know better after playing one or two BIOWARE titles.
Let us summarize Bioware's skills:
All of this makes a good shooter. Nothing that makes a good MMORPG or even an RPG, IMO.
[Mod Edit]
Are you really going to put "inability to jump" over compelling story or group dynamics as Bioware's skills?
It is obvious you do not like much if anything that was made in the last 5+ years.
You come to the forums and spit on everything talking about how much better games were 10-15 years ago.
We all get it. The problem is you are in the minority. It is obvious to me that you play games to fill some form of copious intellectual salvation.
--John Ruskin
I can see that the warning wasnt enough. Thread locked.