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gm sacked player reinburst!
you can read here forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php what the actions are and more.
lets discus if any mistake should lead to such severe penalty towards that gm.
and lets see how many pages this thread gets, i will bet no where near 50% of the thread that was posted about this.
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rigardless of the apparent severity of the action taken for such a mistake we have no idea wether this was his only mistake or just part of a larger string of a bad working decisions. also, depending one the company's policy this could be a significant offence or a minor mishap. we can sit here and speculate all day but in reality we will never know the whole story and therfore can never pass acurate judgement.
I can’t help but notice how they call this an issue of inexperience and not one of training. As if they have no responsibility for how the GM ended up in that situation.
Either way, I don’t see anywhere that he was fired, just removed from the GM role.
What I think is jus hilarious is that where everyone was going berzerk and crying "CORRUPTION, ZOMG UNSUB NOWZ!!!" over this incident... everyone is now flipping right the hell out over how unfair it is that the GM in question was removed.
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Do we even know for sure if they fired him? They might have just deleted his GM character and made him role play a new one.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
This is most likely it. . he probably has to wear a fake mustache around the office as well
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I thought most GMs were volunteer, anyways.
Getting fired is sometimes a good thing. You learn a valuable lesson. Hopefullly, this GM learns when you make a mistake you correct it.
IMO it would seem the harsh punishment was due to the community backlash that ensued from his mistake. Had the community not reacted as they did, the guy most likely would still have a job. IMO of course, as we don't know the whole story.
I make that guess simply out of common sense. The guys mistake put the whole company in a negative light, whether warranted or not really doesn't matter. It happened as it did, this is the result of that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Inexperience is usually due to the voluntary GM's - Not getting a proper interview, etc, and just handed the papers to sign to make you a VGM. Both hands are at fault and it does lead an open hole for possible corruption in the future. As how they rectified the situation, I'm glad the player got his stuff back.
Conspiracy much?
BTW kudos to Aventurine for actually doing that and notifying the community.
Like I stated in the other thread. There is only one GM that is actually employed by AV. The rest of volunteers selected from the community. That's why they have 0 ability to help you with anything other than getting stuck. This was revealed way back on eu when someone posted a screenshot of the boss gm admitting he was the only paid GM.
they probably have some kind of protocol to handle that kind of things that the guy didn't follow (i.e. if you made any mistakes you have to report immediatelly to *someone* that can take the necessary actions to recover whatever happened) and the guy did not respect it... or whatever...
errors created by game world or GMs should be reversed as soon as possible, though afaik DF is so bugged that it's actually impossible to compensate players and still have people and time to repair bugs...
not sure what bugs you're talking about. I've seen more bugs in games that have been out for years than I see in Darkfall.
You wanna see some bugs?? Log into the MO beta.
Seems to me that everyone needs to take some responsibility for the way this incident was resolved. Clearly, the GM did something unprofessional and some repercussions were warranted. However, the players also need to take some responsibility for how they handled the problem.
If the player involved had just gone to support as was suggested and worked it out with them, then AV could have reprimanded the GM behind the scenes and move on. But the player instead went berzerk and posted all around the net and conspiracy theorists and flamers immediately latched on and fed the flames, creating a ton of negative publicity and blowing the entire incident out of proportion.
So, now AV overreacts in a heavy handed way and sacks the GM in order to protect the integrity of the game. While firing someone is an extreme consequence, it'd be wrong to completely wash our hands of responsibility as a community and put all the blame on AV. We as a community fed the flames that ultimately led to someone losing his job.
At launch it was that way, but all the GM staff is paid staffers now, no player volunteers.
No i don't have screen shots but you can send a report and ask, they'll tell you straight up.
This is most likely it. . he probably has to wear a fake mustache around the office as well
with a redball nose curly red afro wig and oversized shoes
Yeah I could see how that would pan out "FUCK! You brought me mocca when I specifically asked for cappuccino! And WTF is this? Frosting on my fucking doughnuts!!!! Jesus!!!! No I'm not going to send you back and wait 30 minutes to get what I ordered, I'm going to write a rage quit thread on forum fall and QQ like a big baby until someone at Aventurine does it and fires you!!!!".
We can all start ranting then about tea boy corruption and the evil coffee and doughnuts empire trying to take over the MMORPG world through disgruntled GMs and how DFO will be the first of many!
The guy made one genuine mistake that would've easily been rectified, but now he's lost his role as GM because one guy decided to act like a tadger on the forums. There was only one real idiot in all of this and I think most people with an IQ higher than that of a lemon know who it was.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Yeah I could see how that would pan out "FUCK! You brought me mocca when I specifically asked for cappuccino! And WTF is this? Frosting on my fucking doughnuts!!!! Jesus!!!! No I'm not going to send you back and wait 30 minutes to get what I ordered, I'm going to write a rage quit thread on forum fall and QQ like a big baby until someone at Aventurine does it and fires you!!!!".
We can all start ranting then about tea boy corruption and the evil coffee and doughnuts empire trying to take over the MMORPG world through disgruntled GMs and how DFO will be the first of many!
The guy made one genuine mistake that would've easily been rectified, but now he's lost his role as GM because one guy decided to act like a tadger on the forums. There was only one real idiot in all of this and I think most people with an IQ higher than that of a lemon know who it was.
easy to say when it doesnt happen to you personally and show the proof it was a genuine mistake to discredit the OP
Yeah I could see how that would pan out "FUCK! You brought me mocca when I specifically asked for cappuccino! And WTF is this? Frosting on my fucking doughnuts!!!! Jesus!!!! No I'm not going to send you back and wait 30 minutes to get what I ordered, I'm going to write a rage quit thread on forum fall and QQ like a big baby until someone at Aventurine does it and fires you!!!!".
We can all start ranting then about tea boy corruption and the evil coffee and doughnuts empire trying to take over the MMORPG world through disgruntled GMs and how DFO will be the first of many!
The guy made one genuine mistake that would've easily been rectified, but now he's lost his role as GM because one guy decided to act like a tadger on the forums. There was only one real idiot in all of this and I think most people with an IQ higher than that of a lemon know who it was.
easy to say when it doesnt happen to you personally and show the proof it was a genuine mistake to discredit the OP
Well if he's done it deliberately to help his mates out then,
A: He wouldn't have ask him if he wanted to be teleported before doing it.
B: He wouldn't have identified himself.
C: He wouldn't have then told him to contact admins to get his stuff back afterwards.
If he was using his powers to help his friends then he'd have taken a leaf out of the CCP guide to shitting on your playerbase and kept his identity secret except to his close co conspiritors and manipulated the game and players in secret. It just makes common sense to anyone with an IQ higher than that of a lemon, no?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Yeah I could see how that would pan out "FUCK! You brought me mocca when I specifically asked for cappuccino! And WTF is this? Frosting on my fucking doughnuts!!!! Jesus!!!! No I'm not going to send you back and wait 30 minutes to get what I ordered, I'm going to write a rage quit thread on forum fall and QQ like a big baby until someone at Aventurine does it and fires you!!!!".
We can all start ranting then about tea boy corruption and the evil coffee and doughnuts empire trying to take over the MMORPG world through disgruntled GMs and how DFO will be the first of many!
The guy made one genuine mistake that would've easily been rectified, but now he's lost his role as GM because one guy decided to act like a tadger on the forums. There was only one real idiot in all of this and I think most people with an IQ higher than that of a lemon know who it was.
easy to say when it doesnt happen to you personally and show the proof it was a genuine mistake to discredit the OP
Well if he's done it deliberately to help his mates out then,
A: He wouldn't have ask him if he wanted to be teleported before doing it.
B: He wouldn't have identified himself.
C: He wouldn't have then told him to contact admins to get his stuff back afterwards.
If he was using his powers to help his friends then he'd have taken a leaf out of the CCP guide to shitting on your playerbase and kept his identity secret except to his close co conspiritors and manipulated the game and players in secret. It just makes common sense to anyone with an IQ higher than that of a lemon, no?
ok well the post I read here never said he asked to be teleported so maybe someone should post that and it might clear up a little confusion
It was in the original dialogue and the original thread on forumfall apparently, he was contacted and asked if he wanted to be teleported. It seems the GM had contacted the wrong person and wasn't aware at the time, this guy then decides to accept the teleport giving his reason as something like he thought it would be a good idea.
It's like someone pointing a revolver at your knee with one bullet in, spinning the barrel and asking if you want them to pull the trigger. The GM make a dumb mistake but he made a dumber one and then when he had time to think about it decided not to make a ticket but to make a screen shot of the conversation and post it on the forums.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
GMs of this nature aren't "hired". They are volunteers, and rarely collect an actual wage. At best, he likely was provided with a free account to the game.
It's one of the reason's I always roll my eyes when people expect a certain level of entitlement when dealing w/ customer service GMs. They are volunteering their time to enhance the game. They are not being paid and they certainly don't deserve to be treated with the contempt that many players lay at their feet when things don't go their way.
This is not true. Most games learn the lesson early on that relying on volunteer GM forces can be a very bad thing.
I remember in Asheron's Call instances where they fired thier volunteer GM's and replaced them with paid GM's after instances where the GM's investigated duping bugs and did not report them to the devs. Other games have had similiar issues as well.
Glad to hear that DF worked this out for the player.
Ken
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This is not true. Most games learn the lesson early on that relying on volunteer GM forces can be a very bad thing.
I remember in Asheron's Call instances where they fired thier volunteer GM's and replaced them with paid GM's after instances where the GM's investigated duping bugs and did not report them to the devs. Other games have had similiar issues as well.
Sorry, your wrong, it is true. Only a very small handful of games employ paid in-game customer service GMs.
Bug and ticket logs are reviewed by a Customer Service Manager (a paid employee) who then forwards them to the relevant department(also paid employees). The volunteer GMs(the people you generally interface w/ in-game) merely make notes on open support tickets, and while they can mark a ticket as "closed", the ticket isn't actually closed until it is reviewed by the CS manager or the relevant department.
I can only name one company I know of that has paid GM support, and they have very deep pockets.
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