And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Izork
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
Hmf*Fanboy*
I've EXPERIENCED it in real life.
My mate got hold of a card, since hes a reporter, and I heard it.. Its god damn noicy! Compared to my 5870 Vapor-X that 480 was 100% more noice. And we tested it and it went to 80-85 degrees in full load, and with 2 monitors it was over 100 degrees! (supposed to be fixed)
Anyways. Nvidia was very nice once, but seems theyre going downhill and fanboys just wont realize it
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
Hmf*Fanboy*
I've EXPERIENCED it in real life.
My mate got hold of a card, since hes a reporter, and I heard it.. Its god damn noicy! Compared to my 5870 Vapor-X that 480 was 100% more noice. And we tested it and it went to 80-85 degrees in full load, and with 2 monitors it was over 100 degrees! (supposed to be fixed)
Anyways. Nvidia was very nice once, but seems theyre going downhill and fanboys just wont realize it
Gonna jump in and agree with everything this man said (except maybe the noise..it's not that bad).
Fact is, when youu're paying $500 for a graphics card, you might want your investment to last a litlte more than a year.
That's how long my 280GTX, 7950GX2, and some other nvidia high end cards lasted.
Never buying green again.
I live to go faster...or die trying.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Izork
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Izork
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
Hmf*Fanboy*
I've EXPERIENCED it in real life.
My mate got hold of a card, since hes a reporter, and I heard it.. Its god damn noicy! Compared to my 5870 Vapor-X that 480 was 100% more noice. And we tested it and it went to 80-85 degrees in full load, and with 2 monitors it was over 100 degrees! (supposed to be fixed)
Anyways. Nvidia was very nice once, but seems theyre going downhill and fanboys just wont realize it
I have one in my case right by me and have had for the psat 10 days now. Can you link to your reporter friends review?
At 100% yes it is noisy. at 70% it is not and is sufficient to cool normally in games.
Take a look at the first video again. It is alright to disagree but when the temperatures are fine right here with me as well as power consumption, reading about people who do not own the card say that the temps and noise are crazy. Well that is just wrong and a viscious rumour put out.
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
These are the temps with nzxt hush silent case.
Many other reviews also indicate very similar temps.
You can also stop nagging about canadian prices, it's well seen that the price are very different elsewhere.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by dfan
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Izork
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
GTX 470 + GTX 480 is only 8.000 cards in total so yeah they sold out.
In contrast AMD has sold 6.000.000 HD 5000 cards to date.
You mean in contrast over the past 6 months AMD has sold. Obviously there is going to be a difference. Have any facts to back up the 6k shipped worldwide? Because was there not only 20k 5k series for launch or maybe it was 100k can't rememeber.
5k series came out at September, at halfway November they reported they had sold 800k cards.
No official announcement on the 8k figure. Wrote in a way without mentioning time lines sold. Like saying WoW has 10 million subs and EQ2 has 200k but not talking about launch dates.
Obviously the volcanic ash in EU is effecting shipments too. Obviously people want the best card out, and if best means fastest than the GTX 400 series does a good job.
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
I've been an Nvidia fan for a very long time and was waiting for the fermi's to come out before I built my newest rig. When they delayed them I went ahead and went with the 5870 card and have not regretted it one bit. Idle is low 40's upper 30's under a full load I hit 60s maybe low 70s after hours of itense graphics. These are with my fans never going above 50% and all graphics maxed out on games like Mass Effect 2.
Posting Canadian prices? I didn't see Izork post that he was Candian so does that fact really matter? Current in the US they are more expensive and that is the market that affects my wallet. Hardcore Nvidia fans will stand by these but until you get to version 2 or 3 of these cards where Nvidia can refine and improve them they aren't worth the money. Get a 5870 or even a 5770 I don't think there are any games available right now that push these cards.
Fun fact the 5870 out performs or is the same as the 480 in every area but teslation and then there the 480 only has slighty better performance. This was the result from test done by Nvidia themselves.
Noise- after 50% the fans do get louder so both cards are probably about the same in this area
Heat - both cards stay within acceptable temperatures, make sure you have big cases for them both
Cost - ATI is cheaper to buy and uses less energy so your electric bill will be lower (not much but if cost is your number #1 then it will matter to you)
Performance - ATI the same or better in most areas, Nvidia take a little lead in the Tesllation area
Availability - The 470 and 480 are difficult to find available unless you spend every minute checking your source. ATI pretty available and in stock.
Originally posted by Distaste Originally posted by dfan
Fermi was the most ultimate paper launch in history. We won't see any availability before B1 comes, meaning probably next year.
Yet there were more fermi cards avaiable on launch than the 58XX. The 58XX cards weren't available in any sort of quantity until Jan 2010 and even up unti March you would have problems getting a good brand.
I walked into a Fry's Electronics on day 1 of the 58XX launch and picked myself up a 5870 for $399.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by dfan
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by dfan
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Izork
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
These are the temps with nzxt hush silent case.
Many other reviews also indicate very similar temps.
You can also stop nagging about canadian prices, it's well seen that the price are very different elsewhere.
Your chart doesn't show fan speed? and that is a bit of a cheap case.
What I am saying is real world experience on my desk not on a test bench.
So in your books fermi needs an expensive case so you can use it?
No, didn't say that. One would assume if you are spending that much money on a GPU you would have a case with decent airflow. It is a 3 yr old case. You have to re-aarange the bays on that case to fit a 5970.
As noted those all one has to do is bump up the 480 fan speed and things are fine. That chart shows no fan speed setting for any card it could be anything.
In those videos I linked you can hear the fan speed. The last one the guy even says 5870 is louder and he has video to prove it.
i am an owner of a gtx 280, card has lived up very well to expectations...though looking at all the benchmarks and price per unit...my next card will be ATI.
Less power draw, lower temps, and matches Nvidia in almost every category while being significantly cheaper
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Kuriakos
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Izork
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
I've been an Nvidia fan for a very long time and was waiting for the fermi's to come out before I built my newest rig. When they delayed them I went ahead and went with the 5870 card and have not regretted it one bit. Idle is low 40's upper 30's under a full load I hit 60s maybe low 70s after hours of itense graphics. These are with my fans never going above 50% and all graphics maxed out on games like Mass Effect 2.
Posting Canadian prices? I didn't see Izork post that he was Candian so does that fact really matter? Current in the US they are more expensive and that is the market that affects my wallet. Hardcore Nvidia fans will stand by these but until you get to version 2 or 3 of these cards where Nvidia can refine and improve them they aren't worth the money. Get a 5870 or even a 5770 I don't think there are any games available right now that push these cards.
Fun fact the 5870 out performs or is the same as the 480 in every area but teslation and then there the 480 only has slighty better performance. This was the result from test done by Nvidia themselves.
Noise- after 50% the fans do get louder so both cards are probably about the same in this area
Heat - both cards stay within acceptable temperatures, make sure you have big cases for them both
Cost - ATI is cheaper to buy and uses less energy so your electric bill will be lower (not much but if cost is your number #1 then it will matter to you)
Performance - ATI the same or better in most areas, Nvidia take a little lead in the Tesllation area
Availability - The 470 and 480 are difficult to find available unless you spend every minute checking your source. ATI pretty available and in stock.
Let me state this again, I do not think or have the premise ATI or the 5k series are bad.
Here are my idle temps typing this:
under load on ATI designed benchmark not even hitting in the 70c's.
The Candian $ is just as good as the American $ my friend and on newegg.com and .ca the 5970 no availability. The 5870 was cheaper to buy sure.
No offence but it is widely conceived that the GTX 480 is faster than the 5870. I got my gtx 480 perfectly fine for just over $500 and it performs twice as fast a GTX 285 in most cases. I could of gone for a 5870 for $70 odd cheaper but I prefered the performance.
It is also widely considered the GTX 480 has higher minimum frame rates, very important consideration if you play games.
I get 30% better FPS in crysis warhead and I load up faster and get better frame rate in Battlefield bad company 2 compared to friends on similar systems with a 5870. Age of Conan gives me 40% better frame rates than a similar system with a 5870. Is that worth it for the price of a game and a half. Sure is for me.
Tesselation in DX11 will come more in the future, things look promising for Fermi there. It beats a 5970 in unigine.
All this 6 million cards shipped is bollocks when we talk 5970 as there is less than 100 reviews on the site.
Don't make me laugh the the electricity bill argument either. Most people probably left that 100w lightbulb on in a room with no one in it, or all their equipment on standby.
Fermi is on release drivers. ATI has had 6 months to better theirs. write the scores down now and lets compare again in 6 months with better driver support from Nvidia.
Obviously the volcanic ash in EU is effecting shipments too. Obviously people want the best card out, and if best means fastest than the GTX 400 series does a good job.
Here is someone who has been lured with the nice pr that nvidia has. The gtx 480 is not the best graphic card if you want the fastest for games- its AMD/ATI 5970. Nothing can change that atm.
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
These are the temps with nzxt hush silent case.
Many other reviews also indicate very similar temps.
You can also stop nagging about canadian prices, it's well seen that the price are very different elsewhere.
Your chart doesn't show fan speed? and that is a bit of a cheap case.
What I am saying is real world experience on my desk not on a test bench.
So in your books fermi needs an expensive case so you can use it?
No, didn't say that. One would assume if you are spending that much money on a GPU you would have a case with decent airflow. It is a 3 yr old case. You have to re-aarange the bays on that case to fit a 5970.
As noted those all one has to do is bump up the 480 fan speed and things are fine. That chart shows no fan speed setting for any card it could be anything.
In those videos I linked you can hear the fan speed. The last one the guy even says 5870 is louder and he has video to prove it.
You shouldn't need to buy expensive case just to for extremely hot graphic card. The fan speeds are stock on that review.
My 5870 is 30-33 degrees max in idle, at a 20% fan speed : )
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by astrob0y
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Obviously the volcanic ash in EU is effecting shipments too. Obviously people want the best card out, and if best means fastest than the GTX 400 series does a good job.
Here is someone who has been lured with the nice pr that nvidia has. The gtx 480 is not the best graphic card if you want the fastest for games- its AMD/ATI 5970. Nothing can change that atm.
So the GTX 480 is not the fastest single GPU on the planet at the moment? Could of fooled me.
PR? you mean like the rush for the 10.3 drivers ATI rushed out with and the 6 million sold DX11 cards all timed nicely. Still doesn't help to have a slower single GPU.
I have great temps, idle and under load, I didn't find availability an issue nor the price. So because of all this it is bad?
All I know is what I have in front of me and the people I play games with comparing.
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
I've been an Nvidia fan for a very long time and was waiting for the fermi's to come out before I built my newest rig. When they delayed them I went ahead and went with the 5870 card and have not regretted it one bit. Idle is low 40's upper 30's under a full load I hit 60s maybe low 70s after hours of itense graphics. These are with my fans never going above 50% and all graphics maxed out on games like Mass Effect 2.
Posting Canadian prices? I didn't see Izork post that he was Candian so does that fact really matter? Current in the US they are more expensive and that is the market that affects my wallet. Hardcore Nvidia fans will stand by these but until you get to version 2 or 3 of these cards where Nvidia can refine and improve them they aren't worth the money. Get a 5870 or even a 5770 I don't think there are any games available right now that push these cards.
Fun fact the 5870 out performs or is the same as the 480 in every area but teslation and then there the 480 only has slighty better performance. This was the result from test done by Nvidia themselves.
Noise- after 50% the fans do get louder so both cards are probably about the same in this area
Heat - both cards stay within acceptable temperatures, make sure you have big cases for them both
Cost - ATI is cheaper to buy and uses less energy so your electric bill will be lower (not much but if cost is your number #1 then it will matter to you)
Performance - ATI the same or better in most areas, Nvidia take a little lead in the Tesllation area
Availability - The 470 and 480 are difficult to find available unless you spend every minute checking your source. ATI pretty available and in stock.
Let me state this again, I do not think or have the premise ATI or the 5k series are bad.
The Candian $ is just as good as the American $ my friend and on newegg.com and .ca the 5970 no availability. The 5870 was cheaper to buy sure.
No offence but it is widely conceived that the GTX 480 is faster than the 5870. I got my gtx 480 perfectly fine for just over $500 and it performs twice as fast a GTX 285 in most cases. I could of gone for a 5870 for $70 odd cheaper but I prefered the performance.
It is also widely considered the GTX 480 has higher minimum frame rates, very important consideration if you play games.
I get 30% better FPS in crysis warhead and I load up faster and get better frame rate in Battlefield bad company 2 compared to friends on similar systems with a 5870. Age of Conan gives me 40% better frame rates than a similar system with a 5870. Is that worth it for the price of a game and a half. Sure is for me.
Tesselation in DX11 will come more in the future, things look promising for Fermi there. It beats a 5970 in unigine.
All this 6 million cards shipped is bollocks when we talk 5970 as there is less than 100 reviews on the site.
Don't make me laugh the the electricity bill argument either. Most people probably left that 100w lightbulb on in a room with no one in it, or all their equipment on standby.
Fermi is on release drivers. ATI has had 6 months to better theirs. write the scores down now and lets compare again in 6 months with better driver support from Nvidia.
Yes, it is widely conceived that 480 is roughly 10% faster than 5870, noone ever denied that fact.
Also, tesselation plays a very small role in gaming, technology demos like unigine are totally different matter.
You really think those 6 million cards are all 5970s? Pointless argument.
Electricity bill is real and a fact, maybe it doesn't matter to you but for most people it does.
Optimization will come for sure, from both camps. You will not see anything dramatic however.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by dfan
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by dfan
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by dfan
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Izork
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
These are the temps with nzxt hush silent case.
Many other reviews also indicate very similar temps.
You can also stop nagging about canadian prices, it's well seen that the price are very different elsewhere.
Your chart doesn't show fan speed? and that is a bit of a cheap case.
What I am saying is real world experience on my desk not on a test bench.
So in your books fermi needs an expensive case so you can use it?
No, didn't say that. One would assume if you are spending that much money on a GPU you would have a case with decent airflow. It is a 3 yr old case. You have to re-aarange the bays on that case to fit a 5970.
As noted those all one has to do is bump up the 480 fan speed and things are fine. That chart shows no fan speed setting for any card it could be anything.
In those videos I linked you can hear the fan speed. The last one the guy even says 5870 is louder and he has video to prove it.
You shouldn't need to buy expensive case just to for extremely hot graphic card. The fan speeds are stock on that review.
You do not need to, that 5970 is 31 cm long the longest card ever made and is not designed for that case.
The acoustic levels on default fan speed settings are important as well as at load.
I as well as many other posted GTX 480 owners have stated often that by cranking the fan speed % up you can not hear the difference.
Temps and heat are great. It is not extremely hot. Is furmark running 24/7 for you? How many people you think just run it? It is not the same as playing a game. You think an 8degree C difference on your chart from 105 to 97 with ATI 5970 > 480 is massive?
Performance is better.
With a simple fan change setting temps are non issue with GTX 480 and neither are ascoustic levels.
Sorry to disappoint. Proof is infront of me.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by dfan
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Kuriakos
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Izork
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
I've been an Nvidia fan for a very long time and was waiting for the fermi's to come out before I built my newest rig. When they delayed them I went ahead and went with the 5870 card and have not regretted it one bit. Idle is low 40's upper 30's under a full load I hit 60s maybe low 70s after hours of itense graphics. These are with my fans never going above 50% and all graphics maxed out on games like Mass Effect 2.
Posting Canadian prices? I didn't see Izork post that he was Candian so does that fact really matter? Current in the US they are more expensive and that is the market that affects my wallet. Hardcore Nvidia fans will stand by these but until you get to version 2 or 3 of these cards where Nvidia can refine and improve them they aren't worth the money. Get a 5870 or even a 5770 I don't think there are any games available right now that push these cards.
Fun fact the 5870 out performs or is the same as the 480 in every area but teslation and then there the 480 only has slighty better performance. This was the result from test done by Nvidia themselves.
Noise- after 50% the fans do get louder so both cards are probably about the same in this area
Heat - both cards stay within acceptable temperatures, make sure you have big cases for them both
Cost - ATI is cheaper to buy and uses less energy so your electric bill will be lower (not much but if cost is your number #1 then it will matter to you)
Performance - ATI the same or better in most areas, Nvidia take a little lead in the Tesllation area
Availability - The 470 and 480 are difficult to find available unless you spend every minute checking your source. ATI pretty available and in stock.
Let me state this again, I do not think or have the premise ATI or the 5k series are bad.
The Candian $ is just as good as the American $ my friend and on newegg.com and .ca the 5970 no availability. The 5870 was cheaper to buy sure.
No offence but it is widely conceived that the GTX 480 is faster than the 5870. I got my gtx 480 perfectly fine for just over $500 and it performs twice as fast a GTX 285 in most cases. I could of gone for a 5870 for $70 odd cheaper but I prefered the performance.
It is also widely considered the GTX 480 has higher minimum frame rates, very important consideration if you play games.
I get 30% better FPS in crysis warhead and I load up faster and get better frame rate in Battlefield bad company 2 compared to friends on similar systems with a 5870. Age of Conan gives me 40% better frame rates than a similar system with a 5870. Is that worth it for the price of a game and a half. Sure is for me.
Tesselation in DX11 will come more in the future, things look promising for Fermi there. It beats a 5970 in unigine.
All this 6 million cards shipped is bollocks when we talk 5970 as there is less than 100 reviews on the site.
Don't make me laugh the the electricity bill argument either. Most people probably left that 100w lightbulb on in a room with no one in it, or all their equipment on standby.
Fermi is on release drivers. ATI has had 6 months to better theirs. write the scores down now and lets compare again in 6 months with better driver support from Nvidia.
Yes, it is widely conceived that 480 is roughly 10% faster than 5870, noone ever denied that fact.
Also, tesselation plays a very small role in gaming, technology demos like unigine are totally different matter.
You really think those 6 million cards are all 5970s? Pointless argument.
Electricity bill is real and a fact, maybe it doesn't matter to you but for most people it does.
Optimization will come for sure, from both camps. You will not see anything dramatic however.
Wait so you are saying it is ok to post charts of furmark benchmark with ATI and Nvidia do not like but it is not ok to talk about unigine. Take the tesselation off I still beat an ati card in that test..
You think games do not use tesselation at the moment? what are all those triangles. More is better, Nvidia designed for ability to have more. Not only that, I have proper physics and 32 AA.
Of course the 6 million cards are not 5970, but it is a funny PR release when no 5970's are available in North American from the LARGEST e-teller for months and months.
Of course the electricity bill matters. All I was saying I bet the people moaning about it leave a lightbulb on somewhere, have alarm clocks, PVR's, DCT's, monitors on standby all the time.
Optimization. Ok the newest card for GTX 480 just released on launch drivers. Check the performance data from when 5870 launched to date in charts under older cataylst drivers to present. Safe can be said the same for Nvidia and then some. Widely acccepted that Nvidia produce better and more frequent drivers. I am not expecting dramatic just performance increase which is natural if we go off what happened with the 5870.
Lastly a little more than 10% better sorry to disappoint again, and with the above only going to get better. This is while ATI are scambling about trying to sort out the shit minimun frame rates in the 5k series in games but that is at least 2 months away.
Single Card to single card is fair. The 480 touches upon the 5970 which is a dual soloution in lots of games. $200 extra for the fastest card is a bit too much, if it was in stock I would of been very tempted.
Pick a game and I'll give you a figure for the 480.
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
These are the temps with nzxt hush silent case.
Many other reviews also indicate very similar temps.
You can also stop nagging about canadian prices, it's well seen that the price are very different elsewhere.
Your chart doesn't show fan speed? and that is a bit of a cheap case.
What I am saying is real world experience on my desk not on a test bench.
So in your books fermi needs an expensive case so you can use it?
No, didn't say that. One would assume if you are spending that much money on a GPU you would have a case with decent airflow. It is a 3 yr old case. You have to re-aarange the bays on that case to fit a 5970.
As noted those all one has to do is bump up the 480 fan speed and things are fine. That chart shows no fan speed setting for any card it could be anything.
In those videos I linked you can hear the fan speed. The last one the guy even says 5870 is louder and he has video to prove it.
You shouldn't need to buy expensive case just to for extremely hot graphic card. The fan speeds are stock on that review.
You do not need to, that 5970 is 31 cm long the longest card ever made and is not designed for that case.
The acoustic levels on default fan speed settings are important as well as at load.
I as well as many other posted GTX 480 owners have stated often that by cranking the fan speed % up you can not hear the difference.
Temps and heat are great. It is not extremely hot. Is furmark running 24/7 for you? How many people you think just run it? It is not the same as playing a game. You think an 8degree C difference on your chart from 105 to 97 with ATI 5970 > 480 is massive?
Performance is better.
With a simple fan change setting temps are non issue with GTX 480 and neither are ascoustic levels.
Sorry to disappoint. Proof is infront of me.
You are totally missing the point. Apparently you don't know what problems such temps cause.
You are changing your mind all the time. First you compare it to 5870 and then again to 5970, please, make up your mind to which are you comparing it to and messing up the discussion.
All those measures are made in same case, so they are comparable.
Many people want silent computers, from the pic you provided I can instantly tell your computer is not silent, not even near. It's not very good reputation for fermi, if you need to buy a big and noisy case just to keep the temps down in safe numbers.
Comments
And looking at perfomance / heat / noice I wont get a fermi card.. Compared to ATI.
Seriously. Nearly 100 degrees? thats crazy. And looking at benchmarks / peoples experiences, 5870 is close up at 480, few games better. And its much cheaper. and for same price of a 5970 you can get a 480.. but the 5970 pwns 480 so much. : )
overblown comments. No offence Izork. honestly. I have a GTX 480 the fan is quiter at felt pelt than a 5870.
My card idles at 44degrees C and with the fan set to 70% and usage at 100% hovers around 84degrees C. That is nothing to worry about at all.
In fact Fermi is cooler than the 4k series from ATI.
The fan on mine produces no more noise than an old single GTX 285 I had.
Those tests where you see 100 degrees are with the fan on stock setting, usually open case too.
Did you know in Canada and also at newegg.ca the 5970 is $200 more than a GTX 480.
Should check out these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1HQ64HcmE&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XdsEblVhkc&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQa97-ApWvc&hd=1
For me noise and heat are non issues so purchasing decision was based off cost, performance and availability.
The more nvidia chugs along, the more I am starting to see the coorperate come out. Supply and demand. Very very very dirty of them.
Hmf*Fanboy*
I've EXPERIENCED it in real life.
My mate got hold of a card, since hes a reporter, and I heard it.. Its god damn noicy! Compared to my 5870 Vapor-X that 480 was 100% more noice. And we tested it and it went to 80-85 degrees in full load, and with 2 monitors it was over 100 degrees! (supposed to be fixed)
Anyways. Nvidia was very nice once, but seems theyre going downhill and fanboys just wont realize it
Gonna jump in and agree with everything this man said (except maybe the noise..it's not that bad).
Fact is, when youu're paying $500 for a graphics card, you might want your investment to last a litlte more than a year.
That's how long my 280GTX, 7950GX2, and some other nvidia high end cards lasted.
Never buying green again.
I have one in my case right by me and have had for the psat 10 days now. Can you link to your reporter friends review?
At 100% yes it is noisy. at 70% it is not and is sufficient to cool normally in games.
Take a look at the first video again. It is alright to disagree but when the temperatures are fine right here with me as well as power consumption, reading about people who do not own the card say that the temps and noise are crazy. Well that is just wrong and a viscious rumour put out.
GTX 480 SLI listen to what he says about temps and noise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL8R8rtWcKY
These are the temps with nzxt hush silent case.
Many other reviews also indicate very similar temps.
You can also stop nagging about canadian prices, it's well seen that the price are very different elsewhere.
Your chart doesn't show fan speed? and that is a bit of a cheap case.
What I am saying is real world experience on my desk not on a test bench.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20091218103654_Nvidia_800_Thousand_DirectX_11_Graphics_Chips_Sold_by_ATI_Insignificant.html
Jesus Christ, please stop trolling.
So in your books fermi needs an expensive case so you can use it?
I've been an Nvidia fan for a very long time and was waiting for the fermi's to come out before I built my newest rig. When they delayed them I went ahead and went with the 5870 card and have not regretted it one bit. Idle is low 40's upper 30's under a full load I hit 60s maybe low 70s after hours of itense graphics. These are with my fans never going above 50% and all graphics maxed out on games like Mass Effect 2.
Posting Canadian prices? I didn't see Izork post that he was Candian so does that fact really matter? Current in the US they are more expensive and that is the market that affects my wallet. Hardcore Nvidia fans will stand by these but until you get to version 2 or 3 of these cards where Nvidia can refine and improve them they aren't worth the money. Get a 5870 or even a 5770 I don't think there are any games available right now that push these cards.
Fun fact the 5870 out performs or is the same as the 480 in every area but teslation and then there the 480 only has slighty better performance. This was the result from test done by Nvidia themselves.
Noise- after 50% the fans do get louder so both cards are probably about the same in this area
Heat - both cards stay within acceptable temperatures, make sure you have big cases for them both
Cost - ATI is cheaper to buy and uses less energy so your electric bill will be lower (not much but if cost is your number #1 then it will matter to you)
Performance - ATI the same or better in most areas, Nvidia take a little lead in the Tesllation area
Availability - The 470 and 480 are difficult to find available unless you spend every minute checking your source. ATI pretty available and in stock.
I walked into a Fry's Electronics on day 1 of the 58XX launch and picked myself up a 5870 for $399.
Alltern8 Blog | Star Wars Space Combat and The Old Republic | Cryptic Studios - A Pre Post-Mortem | Klingon Preview, STO's Monster Play
No, didn't say that. One would assume if you are spending that much money on a GPU you would have a case with decent airflow. It is a 3 yr old case. You have to re-aarange the bays on that case to fit a 5970.
As noted those all one has to do is bump up the 480 fan speed and things are fine. That chart shows no fan speed setting for any card it could be anything.
In those videos I linked you can hear the fan speed. The last one the guy even says 5870 is louder and he has video to prove it.
i am an owner of a gtx 280, card has lived up very well to expectations...though looking at all the benchmarks and price per unit...my next card will be ATI.
Less power draw, lower temps, and matches Nvidia in almost every category while being significantly cheaper
Let me state this again, I do not think or have the premise ATI or the 5k series are bad.
Here are my idle temps typing this:
under load on ATI designed benchmark not even hitting in the 70c's.
The Candian $ is just as good as the American $ my friend and on newegg.com and .ca the 5970 no availability. The 5870 was cheaper to buy sure.
No offence but it is widely conceived that the GTX 480 is faster than the 5870. I got my gtx 480 perfectly fine for just over $500 and it performs twice as fast a GTX 285 in most cases. I could of gone for a 5870 for $70 odd cheaper but I prefered the performance.
It is also widely considered the GTX 480 has higher minimum frame rates, very important consideration if you play games.
I get 30% better FPS in crysis warhead and I load up faster and get better frame rate in Battlefield bad company 2 compared to friends on similar systems with a 5870. Age of Conan gives me 40% better frame rates than a similar system with a 5870. Is that worth it for the price of a game and a half. Sure is for me.
Tesselation in DX11 will come more in the future, things look promising for Fermi there. It beats a 5970 in unigine.
America, home of the free but no 5970's http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=5970 that is $700 for a 5970 compared to $500 for 480. or $400 for 5870. I'd rather be future proofed as best as possible. Tesselation and Crysis 2 for example taking the best of dx11.
All this 6 million cards shipped is bollocks when we talk 5970 as there is less than 100 reviews on the site.
Don't make me laugh the the electricity bill argument either. Most people probably left that 100w lightbulb on in a room with no one in it, or all their equipment on standby.
Fermi is on release drivers. ATI has had 6 months to better theirs. write the scores down now and lets compare again in 6 months with better driver support from Nvidia.
Here is someone who has been lured with the nice pr that nvidia has. The gtx 480 is not the best graphic card if you want the fastest for games- its AMD/ATI 5970. Nothing can change that atm.
I7@4ghz, 5970@ 1 ghz/5ghz, water cooled||Former setups Byggblogg||Byggblogg 2|| Msi Wind u100
You shouldn't need to buy expensive case just to for extremely hot graphic card. The fan speeds are stock on that review.
You show your idle temps, at 70% fan speed..
My 5870 is 30-33 degrees max in idle, at a 20% fan speed : )
So the GTX 480 is not the fastest single GPU on the planet at the moment? Could of fooled me.
PR? you mean like the rush for the 10.3 drivers ATI rushed out with and the 6 million sold DX11 cards all timed nicely. Still doesn't help to have a slower single GPU.
I have great temps, idle and under load, I didn't find availability an issue nor the price. So because of all this it is bad?
All I know is what I have in front of me and the people I play games with comparing.
Yes, it is widely conceived that 480 is roughly 10% faster than 5870, noone ever denied that fact.
Also, tesselation plays a very small role in gaming, technology demos like unigine are totally different matter.
You really think those 6 million cards are all 5970s? Pointless argument.
Electricity bill is real and a fact, maybe it doesn't matter to you but for most people it does.
Optimization will come for sure, from both camps. You will not see anything dramatic however.
You do not need to, that 5970 is 31 cm long the longest card ever made and is not designed for that case.
The acoustic levels on default fan speed settings are important as well as at load.
I as well as many other posted GTX 480 owners have stated often that by cranking the fan speed % up you can not hear the difference.
Temps and heat are great. It is not extremely hot. Is furmark running 24/7 for you? How many people you think just run it? It is not the same as playing a game. You think an 8degree C difference on your chart from 105 to 97 with ATI 5970 > 480 is massive?
Performance is better.
With a simple fan change setting temps are non issue with GTX 480 and neither are ascoustic levels.
Sorry to disappoint. Proof is infront of me.
Wait so you are saying it is ok to post charts of furmark benchmark with ATI and Nvidia do not like but it is not ok to talk about unigine. Take the tesselation off I still beat an ati card in that test..
You think games do not use tesselation at the moment? what are all those triangles. More is better, Nvidia designed for ability to have more. Not only that, I have proper physics and 32 AA.
Of course the 6 million cards are not 5970, but it is a funny PR release when no 5970's are available in North American from the LARGEST e-teller for months and months.
Of course the electricity bill matters. All I was saying I bet the people moaning about it leave a lightbulb on somewhere, have alarm clocks, PVR's, DCT's, monitors on standby all the time.
Optimization. Ok the newest card for GTX 480 just released on launch drivers. Check the performance data from when 5870 launched to date in charts under older cataylst drivers to present. Safe can be said the same for Nvidia and then some. Widely acccepted that Nvidia produce better and more frequent drivers. I am not expecting dramatic just performance increase which is natural if we go off what happened with the 5870.
Lastly a little more than 10% better sorry to disappoint again, and with the above only going to get better. This is while ATI are scambling about trying to sort out the shit minimun frame rates in the 5k series in games but that is at least 2 months away.
So you are comparing 480 with a 5870. wonder why you are not comparing 480 with the fastest card. silly flame wars
I7@4ghz, 5970@ 1 ghz/5ghz, water cooled||Former setups Byggblogg||Byggblogg 2|| Msi Wind u100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxLBPajPQ20
Single Card to single card is fair. The 480 touches upon the 5970 which is a dual soloution in lots of games. $200 extra for the fastest card is a bit too much, if it was in stock I would of been very tempted.
Pick a game and I'll give you a figure for the 480.
You are totally missing the point. Apparently you don't know what problems such temps cause.
You are changing your mind all the time. First you compare it to 5870 and then again to 5970, please, make up your mind to which are you comparing it to and messing up the discussion.
All those measures are made in same case, so they are comparable.
Many people want silent computers, from the pic you provided I can instantly tell your computer is not silent, not even near. It's not very good reputation for fermi, if you need to buy a big and noisy case just to keep the temps down in safe numbers.