A pure PvP Fallout game would be a Failout. The games were about the PC vs NPC's. Not PvP.
How do you do "good" pvp in a world where people have to sleep/work/school? "Oh look, their town is undefended because they aren't online, lets go destroy it!"
I've seen that game, its called Shadowbane. And it failed. Horribly.
The main criteria for a good game is that it be fun. A Fallout MMO *could* be fun. But a PvP-centric Fallout game would be a tiny niche game at best.
Yeah dude when i think of fallout I dont think of pvp. Same goes for elder scrolls.
I would be happy if they left it out honestly.
PVP will probably be in the game but how they implment it who knows, a good setup would be the way EVE does it but improving on it , lets both camps of PVE and PVP get what they want, except the PVE will probably be a little more engaging than EVE. I would also grant that a full on crafting system is a must , it makes sense a wasteland of a world scrounging and scavenging for parts and creating items seems pretty viable for this type of setting, factions I could see maybe 3 factions-Wastelanders, Brotherhood Of Steel, and the Super Mutants, if you wanted 4 factions I suppose you could use the Enclave or the ghoulds, but for story sake I would let the Enclave be the focus of the story.
Game World wise ideally for me would the entire planet , would be exciting to see and expand on the lore created by the games and to build on possibily what happened to the rest of the world , a China involved story would be nice what led up to World War III, story wise for these games was pretty important to me and since this game isnt going to be released for some time taking a cue off of Bioware's TOR if successful take that element of story and Fallout's lore minus the cutscences (maybe a few) might turn out to be a hit.
I would like to see all the stuff that made the original Fallout games unique here in this as well including the dark humor and karma system, porn star, child killer, grave digger, go for the M rating as this was a adult RPG little things like this is what I enjoyed about it orginally.
Shame, would have been far better off in Bethesdas hands. It will go no where now.
Yeah dude. It's kind of a buzz kill that bethesda wont be making this game.
What a downer.
i would rather see the main devs that made the first 2 fallout games than bethesda make this mmo. They at least know what makes a fun and good fallout game.
They are!! Interplay got Tyler - original designer of first two fallouts to lead their development team on Project V13 - new Fallout MMORPG, consisted of more fallout 1&2 devs.
Bethesda's Fallout 3 was not a real Fallout. It was just a name for one of the Oblivion mods, nothing more. Thanks god, these blockheads are not touching the Fallout mmorpg.
Uhh.. why? Bethesda is good at making single player games.
Those single player games do not lend themselves AT ALL to MMORPGs. Same reason why Bioware making an MMO doesn't automatically make it good.
Right there is as true as it gets. All these people falling all over their faces trying to kiss Bioware and Bethesdas ass when they haven't done an MMO yet. I do hope they make a good game but if they don't it won't surprise me. Just because you make a good single player game doesn't mean you will an MMO.
Experience doesn't mean much, this has been proved multiple times. Look at all the experienced MMO companies that stumbled over themselves trying to catch up to the one company to have never made an MMO before.
It always seemed the AAA studios that always have made their first MMO seemed to always do well, the second, third not so much, hopefully this is the case with Interplay and Bioware.
Fallen Earth as reference for Fallout MMO? That statement fails. FE sucks butt as a game, and also as a Fallout clone.
i hope interplay will go back to the roots of original Fallout 1 and 2, and although i really enjoyed Bethesda's F3, i missed the twisted humor and culture references from the original series.
The key operative sentance here is "because they had no money". It doesn't matter if a company has only made single player games. At this point Bethesda has a track record of polished delivery of profitable products that is in a very very exclusive club. Probably only shared with Blizzard, Bioware and games starting with 'Sid Meier". Whereas Interplay's entire business for the past few years has been staving off bankruptcy and legal battles. While hardcore Fallout fans are happy that the original design house has the name and development back. Those who give out the money may not be quite so thrilled. Fallout 1 and 2 were great games. Fallout 3 was and continues to be a sales rock star. A magnitude of diference from the business side.
Look at the train wrecks of badly financed badly managed developers around here, even ones with much desired licenses. Look at the horror shows that are the games that they produce, or worst yet start development on and fail. Stargate anyone? How many houses did Star Trek go through? How many did Lord of the Rings go through? Champions Online? Anything produced by David Allen?
Bethesda probably has the financial stability and the organization to see a massive undertaking such as an MMO through to a polished completion. Interplay? It's gonna be a crapshoot at best.
An article on Kotaku is saying that the lawsuit is still going full swing.
"The bottom line is it's an ongoing legal matter, it's in no way, shape or form done," Hines continued. "We're going to let the process play out in the courts, which is what we've said all along, but beyond that I can't give specifics as to procedures. That's not my domain."
Shame, would have been far better off in Bethesdas hands. It will go no where now.
And just how do you know that? Interplay has already been working on Project V13 for a bit and was going nowhere because of this litigation now they can resume work on it and I am pretty sure it is going to go somewhere with Masthead studios also teaming up with Interplay with the development and the use of Earthrises engine.
In the hands of bethesda a Fallout MMO could see a lot of potential customers, in the hands of interplay, who is currently renown for such games as Boogerman, I'm sad to say I don't think this game will ever make it to the shelf, and if it does it will be in the bargain bin in 2-3 months, if they're lucky.
Bethesda won't be the one making the MMO, another branch of Zenimax, Bethesda's parent company would do it.
An article on Kotaku is saying that the lawsuit is still going full swing.
"The bottom line is it's an ongoing legal matter, it's in no way, shape or form done," Hines continued. "We're going to let the process play out in the courts, which is what we've said all along, but beyond that I can't give specifics as to procedures. That's not my domain."
I also hope Interplay wins this one. I used to love Bethesda until it was revealed that Todd Howard helped facilitate a takeover of the company in which the founder was kicked out completely. In my eyes their last decently designed game was Morrowind. Finding out they had the Fallout IP really made me sad, and seeing what they did with that IP was even worse. They seem dead set on simplifying and dumbing down originally deep games. What also worries me is that Zenimax/Bethesda is showing signs of becoming a monster. What i mean by this is that we have seen this kind of behavior in the past, and it hurt the industry. Zenimax bought out ID and all their IP, and it should known that the person calling the shots is a lawyer/ceo who has a history of "illegal"/bad business practices to get what he wants, incluidng bank fraud. I really dont like it when these people get involved in the decisions of the game industry. *Cough* Bobby Kotick *Cough*.
Even worse, movie studios and their execs are trying to do the same thing. *cough* WB purchasing studios. Most recent was Turbine.
The good news is that Wasteland, the IP the started FALLOUT has found its way back into its creators hands and we should see it coming back, if that happens... fallout if left in Bethesda's hands might go bye bye.
Shame, would have been far better off in Bethesdas hands. It will go no where now.
Yeah dude. It's kind of a buzz kill that bethesda wont be making this game.
What a downer.
i would rather see the main devs that made the first 2 fallout games than bethesda make this mmo. They at least know what makes a fun and good fallout game.
They are!! Interplay got Tyler - original designer of first two fallouts to lead their development team on Project V13 - new Fallout MMORPG, consisted of more fallout 1&2 devs.
Bethesda's Fallout 3 was not a real Fallout. It was just a name for one of the Oblivion mods, nothing more. Thanks god, these blockheads are not touching the Fallout mmorpg.
I agree, Fallout 3 feels more like Oblivion than it does Fallout. Fallout 3 was just okay, there was nothing really very memorable about that game. It did not have the Fallout soul that the first two games had. I hope Interplay can bring the soul of Fallout 1+2 to Project V13.
_____________________________________________________________________________________ Science has never proven that what we see in front of us is in fact real.
No doubt this is good news for Earthrise too as Masthead are licensing their engine to Interplay for the Fallout MMO.
it will be good news for masthead eitherway because in an article or a court session record i read that interplay said the work they have done on Project V13 will still go on it just wont have the fallout name attached to it
All these posts about who should make the game, you know what should of happened. Beth and interplay should of just teamed up and did it. It would of had all the big budgetness of Beth and the ideas storyline and general awesomeness of interplay. Its a win-win for both companies and gamers.
Personally, I'm a fan of Bethesda's games, but not a die hard fan. I'm a fan f Fallout games, but not a die hard fan. I'd love to see a fallout mmo, made by interplay, not Bethesda. Bethesda is good at single player games that don't really skirt the edge of anything. Fallout used to do that, and to an extent... still do. Bethesda doesn't have the edge/ snark to do a post apocalyptic game the way it should be done.
People afraid it will just be a wow clone? I'm tired of hearing things like this, considering wow was originally just a clone of other games, and the chain goes on. I played wow from launch. Played most mmos from launch. I love wow, but then again also loved eq, eq2, coh, cov, anarchy online, etc. I don't blindly follow it because it has 11 million subscribers. Considering it's only 4 million in the us and the bulk of the "subscribers" in several other parts of the world are gold farmers, or littered with people that have multiple accounts. (My household had 5 between 2 people, most of my friends had 2 a piece.) I don't think that figure is accurate.
Personally if it is a wow clone it has the same chance at becoming hugely popular as a non wow clone. The key thing to remember is that... most likely it will turn into a niche game like star trek online, lotro, and the like.
Please don't quote fallen earth and this game in the same sentence.
I would hate the pvp to become what people here mentioned, or for it to be like eve online. I'd prefer if it was a choice/ toggle, had specific servers for free for all, had roleplay servers for those who are interested, had no free for all looting. I hate when that gets offered up. Personally when playing a game, I don't wanna have to worry about getting ganked and losing some crap I just got that wasn't flagged for no pickup. No offense to anyone, but people on pvp servers can be pretty cheap.
Also, since this post is probably going to annoy a lot of people/ get flamed (maybe... new to this board) I'll throw out a few more things that should be said.
God doesn't exist, you don't exist, there is no spoon, obama rules, god exists, wow sucks, the cake is a lie, the spoon is right in front of you moron! and wow isn't that bad. ~shrugs~
The inability to lighten up doesn't make you hardcore.
and look at the update. bethesda says they met but they never said they were dropping the lawsuit and what happened in the meeting was a super minor thing.
typical herve. always lying to keep his investors from bailing out on him so he can pay the rent on the house (and i do mean house) that is interplay enntertainment.
trust me the ONLY way the fallout mmo doesnt turn out as bad as fallout BOS is if bethesda makes it. thats IF they get that far.
as someone who understands how interplay works, i can tell you if they get to keep the rights for the fallout mmo, my prediction is that it will never come out. herve's paycheck has always been more important to him than anyone elses.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
Bethesda' must of considered a lawsuit for a good reason, most likely they dont belive interplay have the funding to make the game and there proberly right
i thought age of conan was ment to be new and exciting...
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PVP will probably be in the game but how they implment it who knows, a good setup would be the way EVE does it but improving on it , lets both camps of PVE and PVP get what they want, except the PVE will probably be a little more engaging than EVE. I would also grant that a full on crafting system is a must , it makes sense a wasteland of a world scrounging and scavenging for parts and creating items seems pretty viable for this type of setting, factions I could see maybe 3 factions-Wastelanders, Brotherhood Of Steel, and the Super Mutants, if you wanted 4 factions I suppose you could use the Enclave or the ghoulds, but for story sake I would let the Enclave be the focus of the story.
Game World wise ideally for me would the entire planet , would be exciting to see and expand on the lore created by the games and to build on possibily what happened to the rest of the world , a China involved story would be nice what led up to World War III, story wise for these games was pretty important to me and since this game isnt going to be released for some time taking a cue off of Bioware's TOR if successful take that element of story and Fallout's lore minus the cutscences (maybe a few) might turn out to be a hit.
I would like to see all the stuff that made the original Fallout games unique here in this as well including the dark humor and karma system, porn star, child killer, grave digger, go for the M rating as this was a adult RPG little things like this is what I enjoyed about it orginally.
They are!! Interplay got Tyler - original designer of first two fallouts to lead their development team on Project V13 - new Fallout MMORPG, consisted of more fallout 1&2 devs.
Bethesda's Fallout 3 was not a real Fallout. It was just a name for one of the Oblivion mods, nothing more. Thanks god, these blockheads are not touching the Fallout mmorpg.
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Experience doesn't mean much, this has been proved multiple times. Look at all the experienced MMO companies that stumbled over themselves trying to catch up to the one company to have never made an MMO before.
It always seemed the AAA studios that always have made their first MMO seemed to always do well, the second, third not so much, hopefully this is the case with Interplay and Bioware.
Fallen Earth as reference for Fallout MMO? That statement fails. FE sucks butt as a game, and also as a Fallout clone.
i hope interplay will go back to the roots of original Fallout 1 and 2, and although i really enjoyed Bethesda's F3, i missed the twisted humor and culture references from the original series.
The key operative sentance here is "because they had no money". It doesn't matter if a company has only made single player games. At this point Bethesda has a track record of polished delivery of profitable products that is in a very very exclusive club. Probably only shared with Blizzard, Bioware and games starting with 'Sid Meier". Whereas Interplay's entire business for the past few years has been staving off bankruptcy and legal battles. While hardcore Fallout fans are happy that the original design house has the name and development back. Those who give out the money may not be quite so thrilled. Fallout 1 and 2 were great games. Fallout 3 was and continues to be a sales rock star. A magnitude of diference from the business side.
Look at the train wrecks of badly financed badly managed developers around here, even ones with much desired licenses. Look at the horror shows that are the games that they produce, or worst yet start development on and fail. Stargate anyone? How many houses did Star Trek go through? How many did Lord of the Rings go through? Champions Online? Anything produced by David Allen?
Bethesda probably has the financial stability and the organization to see a massive undertaking such as an MMO through to a polished completion. Interplay? It's gonna be a crapshoot at best.
An article on Kotaku is saying that the lawsuit is still going full swing.
"The bottom line is it's an ongoing legal matter, it's in no way, shape or form done," Hines continued. "We're going to let the process play out in the courts, which is what we've said all along, but beyond that I can't give specifics as to procedures. That's not my domain."
http://kotaku.com/5522344/legal-battle-over-fallout-mmo-continues
Bethesda won't be the one making the MMO, another branch of Zenimax, Bethesda's parent company would do it.
Besides, Besthesda needs to hurry up with TES V.
Yep. Mike sent over an e-mail and we've updated the story!
Just a court is the worst way to decide for the best of a game! Let them both make drafts and then we the gamers vote who gets it, hehe.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
No doubt this is good news for Earthrise too as Masthead are licensing their engine to Interplay for the Fallout MMO.
Go Interplay!
I also hope Interplay wins this one. I used to love Bethesda until it was revealed that Todd Howard helped facilitate a takeover of the company in which the founder was kicked out completely. In my eyes their last decently designed game was Morrowind. Finding out they had the Fallout IP really made me sad, and seeing what they did with that IP was even worse. They seem dead set on simplifying and dumbing down originally deep games. What also worries me is that Zenimax/Bethesda is showing signs of becoming a monster. What i mean by this is that we have seen this kind of behavior in the past, and it hurt the industry. Zenimax bought out ID and all their IP, and it should known that the person calling the shots is a lawyer/ceo who has a history of "illegal"/bad business practices to get what he wants, incluidng bank fraud. I really dont like it when these people get involved in the decisions of the game industry. *Cough* Bobby Kotick *Cough*.
Even worse, movie studios and their execs are trying to do the same thing. *cough* WB purchasing studios. Most recent was Turbine.
The good news is that Wasteland, the IP the started FALLOUT has found its way back into its creators hands and we should see it coming back, if that happens... fallout if left in Bethesda's hands might go bye bye.
I agree, Fallout 3 feels more like Oblivion than it does Fallout. Fallout 3 was just okay, there was nothing really very memorable about that game. It did not have the Fallout soul that the first two games had. I hope Interplay can bring the soul of Fallout 1+2 to Project V13.
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Science has never proven that what we see in front of us is in fact real.
it will be good news for masthead eitherway because in an article or a court session record i read that interplay said the work they have done on Project V13 will still go on it just wont have the fallout name attached to it
For those of you who don't know, this is all Bogus. It's not over yet. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6259827.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B4
All these posts about who should make the game, you know what should of happened. Beth and interplay should of just teamed up and did it. It would of had all the big budgetness of Beth and the ideas storyline and general awesomeness of interplay. Its a win-win for both companies and gamers.
Personally, I'm a fan of Bethesda's games, but not a die hard fan. I'm a fan f Fallout games, but not a die hard fan. I'd love to see a fallout mmo, made by interplay, not Bethesda. Bethesda is good at single player games that don't really skirt the edge of anything. Fallout used to do that, and to an extent... still do. Bethesda doesn't have the edge/ snark to do a post apocalyptic game the way it should be done.
People afraid it will just be a wow clone? I'm tired of hearing things like this, considering wow was originally just a clone of other games, and the chain goes on. I played wow from launch. Played most mmos from launch. I love wow, but then again also loved eq, eq2, coh, cov, anarchy online, etc. I don't blindly follow it because it has 11 million subscribers. Considering it's only 4 million in the us and the bulk of the "subscribers" in several other parts of the world are gold farmers, or littered with people that have multiple accounts. (My household had 5 between 2 people, most of my friends had 2 a piece.) I don't think that figure is accurate.
Personally if it is a wow clone it has the same chance at becoming hugely popular as a non wow clone. The key thing to remember is that... most likely it will turn into a niche game like star trek online, lotro, and the like.
Please don't quote fallen earth and this game in the same sentence.
I would hate the pvp to become what people here mentioned, or for it to be like eve online. I'd prefer if it was a choice/ toggle, had specific servers for free for all, had roleplay servers for those who are interested, had no free for all looting. I hate when that gets offered up. Personally when playing a game, I don't wanna have to worry about getting ganked and losing some crap I just got that wasn't flagged for no pickup. No offense to anyone, but people on pvp servers can be pretty cheap.
Also, since this post is probably going to annoy a lot of people/ get flamed (maybe... new to this board) I'll throw out a few more things that should be said.
God doesn't exist, you don't exist, there is no spoon, obama rules, god exists, wow sucks, the cake is a lie, the spoon is right in front of you moron! and wow isn't that bad. ~shrugs~
The inability to lighten up doesn't make you hardcore.
and look at the update. bethesda says they met but they never said they were dropping the lawsuit and what happened in the meeting was a super minor thing.
typical herve. always lying to keep his investors from bailing out on him so he can pay the rent on the house (and i do mean house) that is interplay enntertainment.
trust me the ONLY way the fallout mmo doesnt turn out as bad as fallout BOS is if bethesda makes it. thats IF they get that far.
as someone who understands how interplay works, i can tell you if they get to keep the rights for the fallout mmo, my prediction is that it will never come out. herve's paycheck has always been more important to him than anyone elses.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
Bethesda' must of considered a lawsuit for a good reason, most likely they dont belive interplay have the funding to make the game and there proberly right
i thought age of conan was ment to be new and exciting...