Most of the counterpoints make good sense, but the fact will remain that people will pick up this box at a best buy with hopes of being a jedi.... People on these forums are usually not indicitive of the actual bulk of what defines a game. There were millions of order v destruction polls that showed various statistical suprises, but the fact remains, that at launch, the hordes of Chosen were definately present.
Don't get me wrong, there will be some fet-lovers and people who long to be different or min/max'rs will chose to be other classes, but I don't think anyone will buy the game to be like han-solo, and unfortunately that sort of mentality drives sales in a market with IP's like this one.
It is a bit silly to dream up problems before launch, but it has been a re-occurring problem for many games at launch that has totally turned games upside down. (just log on to mxo and look what happened to them).
I personally love the IP, and I would love to be a jedi just like anyone else, but I know my tutorial zones will be loaded, there won't be any support classes, and the pvp will suck with an all jedi team. (if you remember when the new classes released in WAR, the scenarios were loaded with all of a single class on both sides!! it was rediculous... 32 tank melee...) but that is a tangent...
Bottom line, they will likely have to make a concession where it is harder to level a sith, or they are extremely well balanced, or they do not make a great team without some of the outlying classes.
Let me just say it as lamely as possible: if you can make sith healer/tanks/dps and an all sith team rocks, then DOOOOOOOOOM!!!
I just want a fun game that feels like Star Wars that I've played in KoToR 1 & 2, and that I've read in the EU novels, and that I've watched in Ep. 1-6. Bioware hasn't disappointed me yet. I can care less about balance in a MMORPG. I only care about fun. Without the ability to play a Jedi or Sith, a Star Wars game wouldn't feel complete.
I'll tell you what. Since you find player Jedi and Sith such a problem, why don't you and everyone else that agrees just not play one. That'd reduce the amount of Jedi and Sith players encounter. Somehow I doubt you or anyone else is willing to do that, so why expect others to? Why not just let people play what they want without complaining or inventing problems?
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero We could discuss issues that are you know...actual issues. Someone naming their Trooper Legolas doesn't really concern me.
How about "Ipwnjedi"?
All well-known IP MMOs should have strict naming restrictions - preferably a list of valid names to be allowed.
We could discuss issues that are you know...actual issues.
Someone naming their Trooper Legolas doesn't really concern me.
How about "Ipwnjedi"?
All well-known IP MMOs should have strict naming restrictions - preferably a list of valid names to be allowed.
And if it doesn't then your not going to play?
I know there are ppl out there that live and breath Starwars, heck some even follow the religon, so if names are that important then fine, go ahead and create an authentic Starwars name, I also know most MMO's allow players to switch off names, which if your an RP player you automatically do anyway as you need to introduce yourself to new ppl.
Also most MMO's do have naming policies, just that they aren't strictly enforced until enough ppl report a name to a GM, I suspect it's something that would slide down a long list of other more important matters such as Exploiters, Botters, Gold sellers, Hacked accounts, Stuck characters etc etc.
We could discuss issues that are you know...actual issues.
Someone naming their Trooper Legolas doesn't really concern me.
How about "Ipwnjedi"?
All well-known IP MMOs should have strict naming restrictions - preferably a list of valid names to be allowed.
And if it doesn't then your not going to play?
By itself, it's not a deal-breaker. The flaws add up, though.
I know there are ppl out there that live and breath Starwars, heck some even follow the religon, so if names are that important then fine, go ahead and create an authentic Starwars name, I also know most MMO's allow players to switch off names, which if your an RP player you automatically do anyway as you need to introduce yourself to new ppl.
I am not aware of any games that let you switch off names in chat.
Also most MMO's do have naming policies, just that they aren't strictly enforced until enough ppl report a name to a GM, I suspect it's something that would slide down a long list of other more important matters such as Exploiters, Botters, Gold sellers, Hacked accounts, Stuck characters etc etc.
Excuses, excuses. Presenting a list of other things that are not dealt with properly is not much of a defense.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
It helps to think that you'll be playing not "just" a trooper or agent, you're supposed to be an elite trooper, one among the best troopers, agents, smugglers, you name it.
Even in the movies, a Jedi could be defeated or countered by a bounty hunter.
The cannon fodder of all the troopers or Republic soldiers and such will be provided by the NPC's of course, the fights between players will be like the battles between champions of their side or trade.
I'm pretty sure there will be an imbalanced number of jedi...
I played MXO and LoTRO, so I have a little perspective about what players tend to do with a strong IP like this, and I know not EVERYONE will be a jedi, but I have a feeling it will be very lame as to just how many there are. Then, because there are so many of them, the perpetual whine about nerfs and OP classes causes the game to cater to them which perpetuates the jedi problem.
Let me just tell a story quick about mxo... there were more zionists than machines, because there were 3 million N30 clones and morfeeeus's, that it just threw the game into a tail spin... imagine if there were more jedi than stormtroopers in starwars... Their advantage was in their numbers. The effect was the same with the "legolas/legoloin/lego-fill-in-the-rest" class in LoTRO. People complained so much that their legolas wasn't as good as in the movie until they got anti-nerfed to the top of the food chain in pvp.
Just saying, I hope they have some great plan for keeping the populations in check or we will see hordes of darth vaders and darth mauls running around zerging people.
I was right about the n30's, the legolas's, the destruction zerg on WAR, and I'll be right about this
Considering that half the professions in game are force sensitives, I'd say that isn't much of a prediction. I could care less to be honest because this game takes place in an era when there were many force sensitives, so I fail to see the issue.It's Star Wars, what do you expect? A game with no jedi? Been there, done that and it failed.
I did a poll on this forum awhile back and I was actually surprised by the number of people who WEREN'T picking jedi or sith..
What will be your main?
2.) Jedi Consular - 15.2%
6.) Jedi Knight - 10.3%
4.) Smuggler - 11.7%
8.) Trooper - 8.3%
1.) Sith Inquisitor - 19.3%
7.) Sith Warrior - 9.7%
3.) Bounty Hunter - 14.5%
5.) Imperial Agent - 11.0%
Based on 145 votes.
Yes I know, this isn't entirely representetive of the what the gaming community will be. But it is still startling to see Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior so far down this list. Imperial agents were rarely seen in the movies yet there are a lot of players looking forward to it because of it's sniping abilities. As long as each class is unique, there will be balance. The mistake would be going the SOE route and making jedi an alpha class. Let's hope that never happens.
I would expect, that with 4 Force classes, they will outnumber any ONE class. But I don't think that you will only sometimes find a non force user, and be like "WOW COOL, THANKS FOR TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM AND PLAYING A BAD CLASS LOL!".
And if people still believe that jedi/sith will be gods among mere mortals in this game, well then nothing will change their mind at this point till they play.
Let's not invent problems before the game even releases.
What do you suggest we talk about then? Aren't there enough "OMG! This game SO going to ROCK!" threads, now?
Games that are out and we actually know something about?
How can you relate a post like you've used as an example to this discusion anyway, or the post you're quoting?
As for your question there's a huge difference between someone saying TOR will rock, and tearing Bioware apart over features we have no clue exactly how they will be implemented, or exactly how the population will settle as far as popular classes.
These are things we have no way of knowing. Until we see it in motion and experience it first hand. At least in the former case, it's a personal opinion, which could mean for that person no matter what this game will rock, if that's how they feel, good for them.
If most people do in the end pick Jedi as their main class, who the freak cares, as it's lore appropriate this time around. Jedi numbered in the thousands during this time period, The sith recruited any who fell or those they reached before the republic council did. There will be jedi everywhere. Just as there will be smugglers everywhere and Bounty hunters, as they represent three very popular and iconic characters from the movies.
You can write what ever you want about TOR, I personally don't care. However don't expect to have an easy go at it. As a lot of what you write is pure speculation or out right hyperbole. People will call you out on that, so don't take it personal when they do.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I've heard the same whine from people like you with every known MMORPG that has come out since EQ... Lets face it, there's always that one I WIN class in every MMORPG that a high percentage of people just fall in love with.. It's as If this super uber class is like their very own super hero or something... In EQ, the most popular classes were Druids,, In WoW it was Rogues, In Vanguard it was Rangers, EQ 2 it was Assassins/Brigands, etc...
Every game always has a class that sounds more fun and awesome than every other class at first glance... In TOR it will definitely be force users since there are 4 to choose from.. But I wonder which will be the most overplayed/most popular... I am curious to see this because personally I think it can go 50/50... As of now, I plan on rolling a Sith Warrior as my main. My alt will definitely be a Bounty Hunter.. I've always loved Bounty Hunters in Star Wars, and after getting a small taste of their abilities, they look like alot of fun.. I literally laughed my aaass off when I first saw them use the scorpionish "GET OVER HERE" grappling hook!! I love their armor, jetpack, flamethrower, etc... I also plan on trying out the Smuggler cause I've always enjoyed the roguish type of classes, and I like how Smuggler's can hide/cover and still use their weapon while hiding.. Looks like alot of fun...
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We could discuss issues that are you know...actual issues.
Someone naming their Trooper Legolas doesn't really concern me.
How about "Ipwnjedi"?
All well-known IP MMOs should have strict naming restrictions - preferably a list of valid names to be allowed.
And if it doesn't then your not going to play?
By itself, it's not a deal-breaker. The flaws add up, though.
I know there are ppl out there that live and breath Starwars, heck some even follow the religon, so if names are that important then fine, go ahead and create an authentic Starwars name, I also know most MMO's allow players to switch off names, which if your an RP player you automatically do anyway as you need to introduce yourself to new ppl.
I am not aware of any games that let you switch off names in chat.
Also most MMO's do have naming policies, just that they aren't strictly enforced until enough ppl report a name to a GM, I suspect it's something that would slide down a long list of other more important matters such as Exploiters, Botters, Gold sellers, Hacked accounts, Stuck characters etc etc.
Excuses, excuses. Presenting a list of other things that are not dealt with properly is not much of a defense.
Who's excuse is worth more, yours or the person you're quoting? Your excuse is that IP purists will be disappointed. His is, there are other players out there.
They both carry the same value that's why developers add options such as private chat or public chat, and also allow you to pick which you see.. Problem solved for both, they usually add RP servers as well, and attempt to enforce it (most of the time).
It's wrong to ignore either side, which they (most likely) won't do.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Who cares? They're part of the game. It's not like the game will crash if people don't choose other classes.They're balancing the anyway, so it won't have a very huge impact on anyone else. Just annoy them maybe by running around? I don't think it would make a difference.
Games that are out and we actually know something about?
Okay, then. Stop posting in this forum, since this game is not out yet.
You can't say it's okay to hype a game that hasn't released, but not to criticize it. Either both are fair play, or neither one is.
This is not the official game forum. I believe we are allowed to post oru concerns, as well as cheerlead.
How can you relate a post like you've used as an example to this discusion anyway, or the post you're quoting?
As for your question there's a huge difference between someone saying TOR will rock, and tearing Bioware apart over features we have no clue exactly how they will be implemented, or exactly how the population will settle as far as popular classes.
Yes. One is vague and emotional, and the other is based on what limited information has been released.
These are things we have no way of knowing. Until we see it in motion and experience it first hand. At least in the former case, it's a personal opinion, which could mean for that person no matter what this game will rock, if that's how they feel, good for them.
Good for sales, too.
If most people do in the end pick Jedi as their main class, who the freak cares, as it's lore appropriate this time around. Jedi numbered in the thousands during this time period, The sith recruited any who fell or those they reached before the republic council did. There will be jedi everywhere. Just as there will be smugglers everywhere and Bounty hunters, as they represent three very popular and iconic characters from the movies.
You can write what ever you want about TOR, I personally don't care. However don't expect to have an easy go at it. As a lot of what you write is pure speculation or out right hyperbole. People will call you out on that, so don't take it personal when they do.
The hyperbole is not on my side.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
We could discuss issues that are you know...actual issues.
Someone naming their Trooper Legolas doesn't really concern me.
How about "Ipwnjedi"?
All well-known IP MMOs should have strict naming restrictions - preferably a list of valid names to be allowed.
And if it doesn't then your not going to play?
By itself, it's not a deal-breaker. The flaws add up, though.
I know there are ppl out there that live and breath Starwars, heck some even follow the religon, so if names are that important then fine, go ahead and create an authentic Starwars name, I also know most MMO's allow players to switch off names, which if your an RP player you automatically do anyway as you need to introduce yourself to new ppl.
I am not aware of any games that let you switch off names in chat.
Also most MMO's do have naming policies, just that they aren't strictly enforced until enough ppl report a name to a GM, I suspect it's something that would slide down a long list of other more important matters such as Exploiters, Botters, Gold sellers, Hacked accounts, Stuck characters etc etc.
Excuses, excuses. Presenting a list of other things that are not dealt with properly is not much of a defense.
Ignore is your friend, once u ignore someone you won't see there name in chat, you can also set up so that you won't see floating names in the options, it's a standard feature in nearly every MMO out there, surely you must have come across these 2 features as they are universally common? I would be very surprised any MMO player who has such an aversion to names not being familar with these 2 game mechanics!!!
Games that are out and we actually know something about?
Okay, then. Stop posting in this forum, since this game is not out yet.
You can't say it's okay to hype a game that hasn't released, but not to criticize it. Either both are fair play, or neither one is.
This is not the official game forum. I believe we are allowed to post oru concerns, as well as cheerlead.
What are you on about ? Who said not to post about the game? This is hyperbole right here rofl... You know what I am talking about, so don't be coy...
How can you relate a post like you've used as an example to this discusion anyway, or the post you're quoting?
As for your question there's a huge difference between someone saying TOR will rock, and tearing Bioware apart over features we have no clue exactly how they will be implemented, or exactly how the population will settle as far as popular classes.
Yes. One is vague and emotional, and the other is based on what limited information has been released.
It's okay to be vague and emotional. As it's a reaction, more than a statement.
Exactly, the information that has released has been limited, therefor it's hard to state any objective opinion be it bad or good.
These are things we have no way of knowing. Until we see it in motion and experience it first hand. At least in the former case, it's a personal opinion, which could mean for that person no matter what this game will rock, if that's how they feel, good for them.
Good for sales, too.
That's the name of the game, is it not?
If most people do in the end pick Jedi as their main class, who the freak cares, as it's lore appropriate this time around. Jedi numbered in the thousands during this time period, The sith recruited any who fell or those they reached before the republic council did. There will be jedi everywhere. Just as there will be smugglers everywhere and Bounty hunters, as they represent three very popular and iconic characters from the movies.
You can write what ever you want about TOR, I personally don't care. However don't expect to have an easy go at it. As a lot of what you write is pure speculation or out right hyperbole. People will call you out on that, so don't take it personal when they do.
The hyperbole is not on my side.
I would call taking what information that has been released (which has been vague in and of itself) and defending your stance with it in any way, good or bad to praise or dismiss the game as a whole, hyperbole.
You run with just about everything you dislike (about any given game) in such a way, you exaggerate the importance of said complaint. That is hyperbole.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Ignore is your friend, once u ignore someone you won't see there name in chat, you can also set up so that you won't see floating names in the options, it's a standard feature in nearly every MMO out there, surely you must have come across these 2 features as they are universally common? I would be very surprised any MMO player who has such an aversion to names not being familar with these 2 game mechanics!!!
My ignore list is usually full, but I could just turn off general chat altogether, but then I'm basically playing a solo game.
Look, I like making up my own names for my characters (when they are available), but if I could give that up for freedom from offensive, lame, and noob names, I would.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Ignore is your friend, once u ignore someone you won't see there name in chat, you can also set up so that you won't see floating names in the options, it's a standard feature in nearly every MMO out there, surely you must have come across these 2 features as they are universally common? I would be very surprised any MMO player who has such an aversion to names not being familar with these 2 game mechanics!!!
My ignore list is usually full, but I could just turn off general chat altogether, but then I'm basically playing a solo game.
Look, I like making up my own names for my characters (when they are available), but if I could give that up for freedom from offensive, lame, and noob names, I would.
Except that you're doing it based on a tiny bit of information which makes your thoughts invalid.
Look, until y ou actually PLAY the game, in beta or otherwise, then you really shouldn't be bashing it because what you know is based on rumor and extrapolation designed to freak yourself and others out for no reason other than that you can.
Except that you're doing it based on a tiny bit of information which makes your thoughts invalid.
Look, until y ou actually PLAY the game, in beta or otherwise, then you really shouldn't be bashing it because what you know is based on rumor and extrapolation designed to freak yourself and others out for no reason other than that you can.
I am not bashing it, and even if I was, that would be every bit as legitimate as writing rah rah posts.
Either no one should say anything about the game until they play it (and watch the activity on this and other gaming sites plummet), or both positive and negative comments are valid.
No one's family is being maligned here. It's not a personal attack. Just learn to tolerate differing opinions.
Save your bile for the "This game suxxors!" posts.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
It'll be the same as with any other game. Some classes will be more popular at release. As people look for their spots in raid and PvP teams, the class balance will even out, at least amongst the more active playerbase.
Seeing as Jedi and Sith seem to be tanks, and as close a thing as we've seen to healers so far in the game, it's not a bad thing if there's alot of them to start with. It might do wonders to grouping, methinks, side by side with companions. Imagine a fantasy mmo with priests and warriors being classes #1 and 2... wouldn't be bad, would it?
Besides that, it'll even out as people start to realize the non-jedi/sith will be equal to them, and not pushovers, aswell as the other classes being given more screentime in game footage. Going IA or BH personally.
First.. Force-users consist of exactly 50% of the classes. BioWare is expecting force users to be at least half of the population if not more. From the official forums I've posted plenty of information here before about what classes forum goers are most likely to play. Force Users did outnumber the non force users, more heavily on the sith empire side and less on the republic. The empire outnumbered the republic just barely.
Next, as far as their naming conventions go on their forums, they don't allow curse words, numbers or characters for names. Whether that is going to transfer over to the game is yet to be seen, but I have a feeling it will. No Luk3 SkyW@lk3r
As for having issues with names that other people choose, its time that some people get over themselves if they can't handle someone that chooses a name like IPwnNoobz. Its an MMO and its a given that people are going to choose stupid names. If you don't like what other people are going to do, and you don't want to ignore them, or can't for whatever reason, then perhaps you're playing in the wrong genre.
The OPs problem isn't with this IP.. the OP has a problem with any IP. Emulation of any famous IPs characters sometimes makes people enjoy the game more even if it makes other despise them for their lack of originality. I don't know how many hulks, or wolverines, or supermans I've seen in COH and CO over the years.. which even attributed to lawsuits just because it had a superhero IP.
I don't understand what provokes a person to stifle someone elses enjoyment if they feel the need to roleplay a character from a popular IP... but apparently those are the same kinds of people that take issue with any company that just so allows it, and thankfully, that is in the minority.
I'm pretty sure there will be an imbalanced number of jedi...
I played MXO and LoTRO, so I have a little perspective about what players tend to do with a strong IP like this, and I know not EVERYONE will be a jedi, but I have a feeling it will be very lame as to just how many there are. Then, because there are so many of them, the perpetual whine about nerfs and OP classes causes the game to cater to them which perpetuates the jedi problem.
Let me just tell a story quick about mxo... there were more zionists than machines, because there were 3 million N30 clones and morfeeeus's, that it just threw the game into a tail spin... imagine if there were more jedi than stormtroopers in starwars... Their advantage was in their numbers. The effect was the same with the "legolas/legoloin/lego-fill-in-the-rest" class in LoTRO. People complained so much that their legolas wasn't as good as in the movie until they got anti-nerfed to the top of the food chain in pvp.
Just saying, I hope they have some great plan for keeping the populations in check or we will see hordes of darth vaders and darth mauls running around zerging people.
I was right about the n30's, the legolas's, the destruction zerg on WAR, and I'll be right about this
Jedi and Sith are great looking classes, no doubt about that. They also have a lot of the (more recent) movies showing them off quite a bit. But for me personally, Bounty Hunter and Imperial Agent are the way to go. I'm sure there will be lots of force users, but I'm also sure it will eventually even out. I'll pick a class based on which supports my playstyle more so then others, not because Darth Vader had a red glow stick. I can only imagine there are many like me who base their choices on what they feel comfortable with.
In short I prefer subtle classes,
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Above, I think BioWare is ready to do what needs to be done and that is keep the classes balanced and not buff a class to flavour of the month .
Originally posted by greed0104Above, I think BioWare is ready to do what needs to be done and that is keep the classes balanced and not buff a class to flavour of the month .
Says who?
Based on what?
Surely you're not referring to Bioware's non-existant track-record of online RPG games.
I'm not one to give Bioware an isntant pass on ANYTHING regarding RPGs. You shouldn't be either. Bioware needs to be scrutinized as much as any developer. Even with the experience in game mechanics, one can never completely forsee how players are going to handle your game.
Online experience changes everything. Theory does not equal execution, especially in MMOs.
Four out of eight classes are force users, so of course there will be a lot of them running around, but I don't mind that. As long as the number of force users are roughly equel faction wise I'm ok with it. I plan on playing a Sith Inquisiter first, but will definitely have non-force alts.
I think the bounty hunter will be a very popular class and will go a long way toward reducing any imbalances. If I am right, the imperial agent also will be quite popular. Its basically a ranged rogue, correct? A sniper that can kill from very long range with a scoped rifle then stealth to get away? There will be a LOT of people who will love that.
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I just want a fun game that feels like Star Wars that I've played in KoToR 1 & 2, and that I've read in the EU novels, and that I've watched in Ep. 1-6. Bioware hasn't disappointed me yet. I can care less about balance in a MMORPG. I only care about fun. Without the ability to play a Jedi or Sith, a Star Wars game wouldn't feel complete.
I'll tell you what. Since you find player Jedi and Sith such a problem, why don't you and everyone else that agrees just not play one. That'd reduce the amount of Jedi and Sith players encounter. Somehow I doubt you or anyone else is willing to do that, so why expect others to? Why not just let people play what they want without complaining or inventing problems?
We could discuss issues that are you know...actual issues.
Someone naming their Trooper Legolas doesn't really concern me.
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How about "Ipwnjedi"?
All well-known IP MMOs should have strict naming restrictions - preferably a list of valid names to be allowed.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
All well-known IP MMOs should have strict naming restrictions - preferably a list of valid names to be allowed.
Who's to say it doesn't?
Have you heard something I haven't?
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And if it doesn't then your not going to play?
I know there are ppl out there that live and breath Starwars, heck some even follow the religon, so if names are that important then fine, go ahead and create an authentic Starwars name, I also know most MMO's allow players to switch off names, which if your an RP player you automatically do anyway as you need to introduce yourself to new ppl.
Also most MMO's do have naming policies, just that they aren't strictly enforced until enough ppl report a name to a GM, I suspect it's something that would slide down a long list of other more important matters such as Exploiters, Botters, Gold sellers, Hacked accounts, Stuck characters etc etc.
Excuses, excuses. Presenting a list of other things that are not dealt with properly is not much of a defense.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Rationalizing the irrational....
Considering that half the professions in game are force sensitives, I'd say that isn't much of a prediction. I could care less to be honest because this game takes place in an era when there were many force sensitives, so I fail to see the issue.It's Star Wars, what do you expect? A game with no jedi? Been there, done that and it failed.
I did a poll on this forum awhile back and I was actually surprised by the number of people who WEREN'T picking jedi or sith..
What will be your main?
2.) Jedi Consular - 15.2%
6.) Jedi Knight - 10.3%
4.) Smuggler - 11.7%
8.) Trooper - 8.3%
1.) Sith Inquisitor - 19.3%
7.) Sith Warrior - 9.7%
3.) Bounty Hunter - 14.5%
5.) Imperial Agent - 11.0%
Based on 145 votes.
Yes I know, this isn't entirely representetive of the what the gaming community will be. But it is still startling to see Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior so far down this list. Imperial agents were rarely seen in the movies yet there are a lot of players looking forward to it because of it's sniping abilities. As long as each class is unique, there will be balance. The mistake would be going the SOE route and making jedi an alpha class. Let's hope that never happens.
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I would expect, that with 4 Force classes, they will outnumber any ONE class. But I don't think that you will only sometimes find a non force user, and be like "WOW COOL, THANKS FOR TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM AND PLAYING A BAD CLASS LOL!".
And if people still believe that jedi/sith will be gods among mere mortals in this game, well then nothing will change their mind at this point till they play.
Games that are out and we actually know something about?
How can you relate a post like you've used as an example to this discusion anyway, or the post you're quoting?
As for your question there's a huge difference between someone saying TOR will rock, and tearing Bioware apart over features we have no clue exactly how they will be implemented, or exactly how the population will settle as far as popular classes.
These are things we have no way of knowing. Until we see it in motion and experience it first hand. At least in the former case, it's a personal opinion, which could mean for that person no matter what this game will rock, if that's how they feel, good for them.
If most people do in the end pick Jedi as their main class, who the freak cares, as it's lore appropriate this time around. Jedi numbered in the thousands during this time period, The sith recruited any who fell or those they reached before the republic council did. There will be jedi everywhere. Just as there will be smugglers everywhere and Bounty hunters, as they represent three very popular and iconic characters from the movies.
You can write what ever you want about TOR, I personally don't care. However don't expect to have an easy go at it. As a lot of what you write is pure speculation or out right hyperbole. People will call you out on that, so don't take it personal when they do.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I've heard the same whine from people like you with every known MMORPG that has come out since EQ... Lets face it, there's always that one I WIN class in every MMORPG that a high percentage of people just fall in love with.. It's as If this super uber class is like their very own super hero or something... In EQ, the most popular classes were Druids,, In WoW it was Rogues, In Vanguard it was Rangers, EQ 2 it was Assassins/Brigands, etc...
Every game always has a class that sounds more fun and awesome than every other class at first glance... In TOR it will definitely be force users since there are 4 to choose from.. But I wonder which will be the most overplayed/most popular... I am curious to see this because personally I think it can go 50/50... As of now, I plan on rolling a Sith Warrior as my main. My alt will definitely be a Bounty Hunter.. I've always loved Bounty Hunters in Star Wars, and after getting a small taste of their abilities, they look like alot of fun.. I literally laughed my aaass off when I first saw them use the scorpionish "GET OVER HERE" grappling hook!! I love their armor, jetpack, flamethrower, etc... I also plan on trying out the Smuggler cause I've always enjoyed the roguish type of classes, and I like how Smuggler's can hide/cover and still use their weapon while hiding.. Looks like alot of fun...
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
Who's excuse is worth more, yours or the person you're quoting? Your excuse is that IP purists will be disappointed. His is, there are other players out there.
They both carry the same value that's why developers add options such as private chat or public chat, and also allow you to pick which you see.. Problem solved for both, they usually add RP servers as well, and attempt to enforce it (most of the time).
It's wrong to ignore either side, which they (most likely) won't do.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So?
Who cares? They're part of the game. It's not like the game will crash if people don't choose other classes.They're balancing the anyway, so it won't have a very huge impact on anyone else. Just annoy them maybe by running around? I don't think it would make a difference.
And I'm rolling a bounty hunter.
The hyperbole is not on my side.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Ignore is your friend, once u ignore someone you won't see there name in chat, you can also set up so that you won't see floating names in the options, it's a standard feature in nearly every MMO out there, surely you must have come across these 2 features as they are universally common? I would be very surprised any MMO player who has such an aversion to names not being familar with these 2 game mechanics!!!
I would call taking what information that has been released (which has been vague in and of itself) and defending your stance with it in any way, good or bad to praise or dismiss the game as a whole, hyperbole.
You run with just about everything you dislike (about any given game) in such a way, you exaggerate the importance of said complaint. That is hyperbole.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
My ignore list is usually full, but I could just turn off general chat altogether, but then I'm basically playing a solo game.
Look, I like making up my own names for my characters (when they are available), but if I could give that up for freedom from offensive, lame, and noob names, I would.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Except that you're doing it based on a tiny bit of information which makes your thoughts invalid.
Look, until y ou actually PLAY the game, in beta or otherwise, then you really shouldn't be bashing it because what you know is based on rumor and extrapolation designed to freak yourself and others out for no reason other than that you can.
I am not bashing it, and even if I was, that would be every bit as legitimate as writing rah rah posts.
Either no one should say anything about the game until they play it (and watch the activity on this and other gaming sites plummet), or both positive and negative comments are valid.
No one's family is being maligned here. It's not a personal attack. Just learn to tolerate differing opinions.
Save your bile for the "This game suxxors!" posts.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
It'll be the same as with any other game. Some classes will be more popular at release. As people look for their spots in raid and PvP teams, the class balance will even out, at least amongst the more active playerbase.
Seeing as Jedi and Sith seem to be tanks, and as close a thing as we've seen to healers so far in the game, it's not a bad thing if there's alot of them to start with. It might do wonders to grouping, methinks, side by side with companions. Imagine a fantasy mmo with priests and warriors being classes #1 and 2... wouldn't be bad, would it?
Besides that, it'll even out as people start to realize the non-jedi/sith will be equal to them, and not pushovers, aswell as the other classes being given more screentime in game footage. Going IA or BH personally.
A few things to point out here.
First.. Force-users consist of exactly 50% of the classes. BioWare is expecting force users to be at least half of the population if not more. From the official forums I've posted plenty of information here before about what classes forum goers are most likely to play. Force Users did outnumber the non force users, more heavily on the sith empire side and less on the republic. The empire outnumbered the republic just barely.
You can check out the thread here
Next, as far as their naming conventions go on their forums, they don't allow curse words, numbers or characters for names. Whether that is going to transfer over to the game is yet to be seen, but I have a feeling it will. No Luk3 SkyW@lk3r
As for having issues with names that other people choose, its time that some people get over themselves if they can't handle someone that chooses a name like IPwnNoobz. Its an MMO and its a given that people are going to choose stupid names. If you don't like what other people are going to do, and you don't want to ignore them, or can't for whatever reason, then perhaps you're playing in the wrong genre.
The OPs problem isn't with this IP.. the OP has a problem with any IP. Emulation of any famous IPs characters sometimes makes people enjoy the game more even if it makes other despise them for their lack of originality. I don't know how many hulks, or wolverines, or supermans I've seen in COH and CO over the years.. which even attributed to lawsuits just because it had a superhero IP.
I don't understand what provokes a person to stifle someone elses enjoyment if they feel the need to roleplay a character from a popular IP... but apparently those are the same kinds of people that take issue with any company that just so allows it, and thankfully, that is in the minority.
Jedi and Sith are great looking classes, no doubt about that. They also have a lot of the (more recent) movies showing them off quite a bit. But for me personally, Bounty Hunter and Imperial Agent are the way to go. I'm sure there will be lots of force users, but I'm also sure it will eventually even out. I'll pick a class based on which supports my playstyle more so then others, not because Darth Vader had a red glow stick. I can only imagine there are many like me who base their choices on what they feel comfortable with.
In short I prefer subtle classes,
Combat has been designed towards PvP - IGN Q & A
Above, I think BioWare is ready to do what needs to be done and that is keep the classes balanced and not buff a class to flavour of the month .
Says who?
Based on what?
Surely you're not referring to Bioware's non-existant track-record of online RPG games.
I'm not one to give Bioware an isntant pass on ANYTHING regarding RPGs. You shouldn't be either. Bioware needs to be scrutinized as much as any developer. Even with the experience in game mechanics, one can never completely forsee how players are going to handle your game.
Online experience changes everything. Theory does not equal execution, especially in MMOs.
Four out of eight classes are force users, so of course there will be a lot of them running around, but I don't mind that. As long as the number of force users are roughly equel faction wise I'm ok with it. I plan on playing a Sith Inquisiter first, but will definitely have non-force alts.
I think the bounty hunter will be a very popular class and will go a long way toward reducing any imbalances. If I am right, the imperial agent also will be quite popular. Its basically a ranged rogue, correct? A sniper that can kill from very long range with a scoped rifle then stealth to get away? There will be a LOT of people who will love that.
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