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Is WOW really biggest MMO? Are these really MMO's?
pencilrick
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Is WOW really the biggest MMO? Is it even an MMO?
Single player RPG.... offline play, storyline, linear.
Single player RPG with multiplayer options... online play, some players, but gaming experience is often isolated (instanced) and linear.
MMO... lots of folks running about online. You can see other players doing things, maybe even impact them and they you.
So, I ask again, is WOW really the biggest MMO or an MMO at all? Are these other newer games really MMO's?
It could be that the popular gaming phenomenon that is WOW really has a subscriber base of 11 million "single player RPG'ers." And that's why you see folks constantly asking "where's the story" or "what does my character do next"?
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MMO is also an evolving term as technology and demand evolve, so it is the top MMO in todays market of definition but has pulled away from the general understanding of MMOs
Just because a car is a hybrid doesnt mean its not a car
but i see your point i wish MMO meant what it is supposed to personally
Games Waiting for: FF14, Tera Online, Blade and Soul, and Rift
Yes WoW is an MMO and yes its the biggest monthly subscribed MMO .. love it or hate it.
Single player is just that.. me and the AI
MMO is lots of players and instance does not demote a game to single player status as your still playing with others, those not in your group are still buying your rune cloth on the AH, your guild mates are doing other things.
WoW is an MMO, but some people play it like if it was a single player game.. I guess the same happens with other MMOs. Also MMO does not mean the player will be in company 24/7. You know, we sometimes need some time for ourselves, yes?
Why not check for yourself?
World of Warcraft has a ten day free trial.
WoW certainly does inspire a lot of passion in people. Is it solo game? Is it a group game? Check it out and see.
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The reason there is so much heat is because if you havent noticed this site is notorious for wow haters, I mean im not fanboy myself, i have many problems with the game but most people make a wow post to get recognition and feel like people will read their posts
Games Waiting for: FF14, Tera Online, Blade and Soul, and Rift
yes WoW is currently the biggest Massive Multiplayer Online game period. i belive Modern Warfare is the second most played mmo. more specificly WoW is the bigges MMO Role Playing Game, or the mmorpg with the highes numbers of subscribers by far.
MMO is a very broad term that only means that a lot of people can play together online. now days almost every sencond game has an online group feature which potentially makes it somewhat mmo.
Interesting though, EVE would technically be what you would call the biggest MMO community, because there are 50,000 people logged in right now on the same server, no instances, no realms, everyone is in the same "server" and is able to find every other single person.
For a fantasy game Lineage 2 was probably one of the biggest, those server had up to 10k people on them without a single instance (although now the game has quite a few PvE instances)
Hello there.
Its a bit enoying that people dont know the word MMO and what it meens.
Its not a company
Its not a thing
Its not a way of describing a game.
And its not a word that tells that a game shall be in a certain frame of gamerules.
Its a long word cut down.
Massivly Multiplayer Online
When "more" than 64 players are hooked up in the same "game" "Realm" " Map" or whatever its an MM
After the game has reach a potantial of 64 players , its refered to a massive multiplayer.
And since its not in a LAN "Local Area Network" its a online game aswell.
So now we know the basics to be known or refered to A MMO we can now start to use the word MMO.
When we use the word MMORPG , we refer to Massive Multiplayer Role Playing Game.
RPG are when you Role Play you char in that game , and does not nessesary meen you have to lvl or collect anything, but its more commonly know for that.
MMOFPS , are Massive Multiplayer First Person Shooter
and we can keep up this for a long time.
World of Warcraft has 52% of the MMO market with over 12 milion online players active.
I get abit frustrated when ppl dont realy why its called an MMO.
My self played Wolfenstein 3D and Doom 1 and Doom 2 over Serial cable and 14.400 boud modem a long time ago.
So ive been trought the start of MMO ERA.
EDIT.
1. Its an MMO and MMORPG , since the game have more than 64 players online , and its a RPG , since you roleplay you char, cloth it, feed it, and evolve it.
2. Yes its the biggest MMORPG know today.
3. If Counterstike would have had more than 64 players at the same time, it would actyly be classefeid as MMOFPS.
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ps sorry for retard describe this.
EDIT
I had to edit this agian.
Modern Warfare 2 is not a mmo, and that becouse it cant hadle more than 32 players, if it could handel 64 players its still not a mmo, but beleave it or not if it were to take 65 players at the same time its a MMO.
Im not realy sure of this im saying now.
You have probably heard of " 8 - 16 - 32 - 64 -128 and so on. exaple of that is you RAM
That is a way the PC or C operate ,not going in to detail on how things are about this.
So i beleave that when a game was designd from the begining, like the first MP games during the 80s, its was more sutible to have 2 -4-8-16-or 32 players, cuss that was the way the PC operated,
At 1970, a Computer cost a huge amout of money , so only the rich ppl could afford a Computer.
And during 1980s the first PC came with brands like "AMIGA" Commodore" and the 8086
It was called PC , becouse everybody could afford it , so Personal Computer,
Its like with the "Wolk Swagen" German for "people wagon",
hitler made a car that everyone could afford , there for "People Wagon" or Wolk Swagen"
And since i talked this much i could aswell say this.
MP = multiplayer, or Multiple players
a boardgame like Monopoly , is a MP game
,
Simple said, 1 player "Singel Player game, 2 player "Multiple Players"
PC = Personal Computer
RAM= Random Acceses Memory
Darn i babbel , hehe.
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WoW lost 5-6 million subscribers a while ago when it closed out of China.
Also there is another Chinese MMO, only available in China with over 5 million subscribers.
I think it is just a bit over the top to suggest that wow is nothing more than 11.5 million people soloing all day long and have no interaction with each other.
Is it the biggest? Who knows really. There might be some games in the east that are bigger or free to play games that are bigger. Hard to tell with the way they count anyone who even visits their website as a customer.
I just don't see how having options for both solo and group play disqualifies something as an mmo.
Yes, WoW is an MMORPG. Perhaps one of the first, depending on your perspective. It could be argued that prior to WoW, most MMORPGs were merely MMOGs since they lacked the storyline aspect common to the RPG genre. Quest based progression provides at least a shallow semblance of that storyline.
Instancing was the solution chosen by developers to counter specific problems. It's not a perfect solution, but my opinion is that it solves more problems than it creates.
The ability to solo has never been a barrier to a game being considered an MMO. One could do virtually everything solo in UO. The same was true of early SWG. I understand that it was possible for some classes to reliably solo in EQ and DAoC too.
WoW has storyline progression? news to me.
Have in mind that not every viacle is a car. Even if it is made to look like a car but is driven on rails its more like a train than a car. Also if it speed is limited to 80 km/h so it will be "balanced" for all drivers you cannot name it sport car even if it has over 600hp.
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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I don't think anybody claimed that.
Yep.
There's the whole dark iron dwarves storyline.
Then there is the wrath gate saga in WotLK. This introduced a technique called phasing.
And there are more.
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The term MMORPG has a bit of evolving interpretation: I think the genre of 'computer RPG's' stemmed from the Pen & Paper RPG's as Dungeons & Dragons, and the MMORPG's originated from the computer RPG's like Ultima Online from the singleplayer Ultima RPG's.
The computer RPG games shared similarities with the pen & paper RPG's, and the singleplayer RPG's share simliarities with MMORPG's. But there has been so much development, change and evolution of the genre that the current batch of MMORPG's are very distant from those early roots the PnP RPG's.
I think it'd be more accurate to just skip the 'RPG' in the term MMORPG, and to describe the current MMO games just like that: MMOG.
But yes, long story short: WoW is a MMO, just like all the others
I don't know if you can count Farmville, Dofus and Second Life (SL is more a virtual world), but WoW is the biggest of the 'pure' MMO(RPG)'s. And no, they didn't lose millions of Chinese subs, because they have those back again with a new second Chinese provider ;-)
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
First off read my long bable on page 1 on what a MMO are.
Just another example, are, if Diablo 3 was release 1 month ago, and 15 milion people bought the game , its not a MMO.
Its not how many copies of the game, or how many people playes it online that tells if its a MMO,
You have to have a game, and a game senario where just that game or particual host can handel more than 64 players, it can be called a MMO.
If you catch me,
If the host can handel more than 64 players its an mmo, if it can handel under 65 players its not an mmo.
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I think i forgot to tell.
over 64 players, are know as Massive.
The line of wich you call and do not call it massive goes when you past over 64 players.
and it has to be in the same senario, "Gamehost"
But if you ask me 64 players arent that much, and i wouldent call it massive, but thats the way it is , and described.
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Ah yes, I read your post, nothing wrong with it :-) (it's all on page 1 for me btw)
But what exactly was your point with your newest post? I didn't disagree with you or such :-) (at least, I don't think so)
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I read Farmwhil are a mmo.
and i tried to correct you, when i realized that it is a MMO.
So i just babled away agian
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Last time I checked, which is last nite, DAL is full of people and i see them running around.
And do I really care how it is classified if it is a fun/good game? Not really.
Well, that may be interesting, but that was not really the point, if you care how it is classified, neither was that an answer on the OP's questions.
@Ztekan: ah, ok, I was already getting confused :-)
Well, if Farmville, Dofus and SL can be shared among the MMO's, then it is Farmville that is the biggest MMO in player numbers, and WoW the biggest when it comes to revenue.
I see a funny line here, when it comes to most popular from generation to generation: UO/Everquest => WoW => Farmville.
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The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Dam, that's some good bait you got there, let's see how many you can catch in your net.
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
I already disclosed the funny irony, so I think none, I'm guessing I have to sneak this line of reasoning in other sortlike threads here and there, sometime in the upcoming days and weeks.
Ah well, guess we'll see :-D
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Interesting would be an understatement. I know I'll be here to witness all of the fun and memorable threads when the time comes
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