Originally posted by Jodokai Dude you are totally clueless and obviously not being objective. How the hell can you compare EQ2 being down for 16hours of unscheduled downtime TOTAL, to the months that WoW has had unscheduled down time. Look on the tech forum right now, and you'll see two days worth of server outages and restarts. You know the battle grounds that WoW is just now getting to? That was promised at realese. Now you name something EQ2 doesn't have that was promised. EQ2 has added 8 new areas to explore, without anyone paying an extra dime, what has WoW added? Server queues, call that content if you want, but I call it dropping the ball.
Originally posted by Wickes Okay, for the sake of argument, I'll momentarily allow for the possibility, however slight (and I do consider it very slight), that your post is legitimate. Unfortunately, what we tend to see here is an endless stream of WOW fans (the most bizarre bunch of people I have ever run across in gaming), who make up new IDs, register them, and then put up 1-10 post for the sole purpose of attacking EQ2 (for some reason that completely escapes me - I guess their religious obligations to Blizzard). And then, when challenged, they all claim to be seasoned pros at MMORPGs.
I'll tell you one thing. I personally came over to mmorpg.com and registered for one thing.....
The sole purpose of attacking EQ2. I can't say I was promised anything by SOE, but it wasn't this pile of stink I paid 50 bucks for plus 2 months of fees.
I feel ripped off. EQ2, whilst in development, promised various qualities among the forums and faq's and such. It did not deliver; was nearly false advertisement.
I am more likely to feel that Blizzard deliviered more of what it promised. I covered both games considerably for years. I feel satisfied that Blizzard crafted the game they promised. EQ2 came out NOTHING like I expected.
With all the talk about servers being down at blizzard... Wasn't ALL of EQ2 down for over 2 days once??? Or did I dream this.....? I'm honestly not sure...
I won't be surprised when Blizzard starts doling out new matieral WITHOUT charging for it. It's a company that knows what their customers want, and how to keep them.
P.S. I'm starting to feel conversations like this are analogue to political right/left discussions
I agree. I bought EQ2 and paid for a 3month subscription. With all the hype I was sure I was gonna keep on playin. I was even about to get the 6 month subscription! Hell after a month I had enough. If anyone knows me, I was an EQ2 fanboi I'll admit. But I haven't even touched the game for 1month. What a waste of my 3months. I feel like Sony owes me my money! I don't even play it anymore! I want my money back! Or at least cancel my 3 months subscription and give me 2months pay back! One thing Sony said was true. IT IS NOTHING LIKE EQ1. I guess all or most of us EQ fanbois were in hopes that they were in fact SIMILIAR. I don't really feel like postin why I don't like this game. Simply put I think EQ2 was like a maze made of CONCRETE walls. You had to follow a certain path. Hell at least in EQ1 you could attack the guards and get killed in 1 hit or buff another player if you wanted. I even miss KILL STEALERS! At least EQ1 gave the option of doing things spontaneously. I mean seriously what is this locked combat. Hell if I wanna slash that goblin while you're fightin him I better daym have the option to. Or if I wanna punch that guard and SOW my azz to the zone I better have the option to! And what the hell is with this equipment lvl limit. Now that is BS. Hell if I want a FUNGI at level 1 why not?! (fungi tunic was eq1 item) I know it's a fantasy world but daym give it some realizm!
Originally posted by loeslein Sadly (or not) I go on vacation for a week tomorrow. But don't worry, I've only been here for 5 days and my name is ALL over the boards. We'll meet again, oh yes.... we'll meet again....
I'm here to argue with at your convenience Enjoy your trip.
Originally posted by webBear1000 I've been pretty scathing about EQ2 but I'm seriously thinking about giving it another go. I'm pretty impressed with all the updates they've been doing. If nothing else it shows commitment to the game by SOE. I'd be interested to hear the experiences of anyone else who's returned to the game after initial dissapointment.
I'm the same, i played WoW when it was first released and closed my account a few weeks ago... It was a huge dissapointment. SOE had more Planetside patches since WoW has been released compaired to WoW! They really show their lack of experiance and really should of started with something smaller.
And now since im upgrading my PC (x800XT here i come!) i have no reason not to play EQ2.
Originally posted by Kane Rekindle, since you've been so respectful, I'll try and keep it in the same vein. What, exactly, do you find to be at fault in the core gameplay of EQ2? Or is it a multitude of smaller things? I, personally, have ZERO attachment to EQ1, so not being faithful to the old lore is no problem for me. As a new EQ2 player, I'm curious what issues, if any, I may run into later. Thanks!
k long ass post but you asked
The issue I have with this game is, unfortunately, not a simple matter to hammer down in one sentence. My beef from the game stems from the history and evolution of the Everquest title period. I don't have any numbers, but my gut tells me SOE has alienated their own freakin EQ I playerbase. EQII keeps a loyal base because a> there is a core group that does love this game (I respect your abilty to endure) b> People just put up with crap far too much, and/or are not interested in, or are not searching for other gaming options. (No I'm not the "lets create a interest group and lobby with banner waiving" type).
In a nutshell, its my opinion SOE didn't make Everquest I, Brad McQuaid did (there's some history there and I'm sure the trollers will pick it apart). But basically, my point is, there was a point in the creative process YEARS ago where SOE and their retarded marketing department did not have their grubby hands on the game design. The creativity that stemed from that world (which reviewers back in the day said would fail) that took the RPG and MMO RPG communities by storm. Faction, racial interactions, big cities, little cities, big trolls little gnomes.....The Estate of Unrest, Tower of Frozen Shadow, Mayong Mistmoor and Co., getting lost in Frontier Mountains, guilds, naggy, Fuzzlecutter.
Brad created a world that had a tree city on an distant continent, and there was a deep story surrounding Kelethin and Faydwer. There was a haunted house in the middle of nowhere, passed some mountains and a deep couldron of water.....there was a story there too.
SOE has been riding on the Rep of THAT creation for a long time now. But they've begun to weed out details they obviously don't think are important. They left a few things out. The first thing they left out is the player community. SOE does not want to hear any disdain for their game. Period. Go try, go to the SOE boards and post your most constructive post of all time and see how long the mods leave it open...SOE does not want to hear bad, no matter how well constructed, about their game.
The other thing SOE left out of EQII is a heart. In the world of pixel shader cards, locked encounters and trivial loot code they forgot to write a decent canon for their world that truly made a EQI player feel like the gaps in space and time were filled between the old norrath and the new norrath. EQII lacks a heart because the values held by the game dev. are not to create an immersive world rich in lore, history, and content full of haunted houses, bird houses and the sword in the stone. The values of SOE appear to be "lets milk them for all we can, while we can." I keep going back to the /pizza command and the pay as zone features of this game. SOE will not be satisfied until they have a game client that has the means to bill your credit card from within the game, and you don't actually explore any content, you just hit your attack button for 50 cents a swing.
SOE is truly disconnected from the MMO community that built everquest. The mods on the Sony boards have their heads so far up their ass they can't see the light of day (and you can tell them I said that too). They release a game that lacks any true plot, any true meaning for players to give to their characters. They create fantastic graphics void of individuality. The come so close so often but the fact they missed by so far shines a big bright light on their incompotence and disconnect with the community that followed them for so long.
They put houses in their game because other games had houses. Tell me, what exactly do houses do in EQII? They introduced a crafting system that looks good on paper, but when you pick it apart its highly generic and infinately repeatitive. They introduce nice looking zones to explore and then make fish run on land for 10 miles across a bridge, over a hill and through a gully. They spend millions of dollars on development, hype the crap out of character customization, and then fail to give me the means to wear a blue robe instead of grey.
If EQII survives for a year (and I'm sure it will) players will look back in two and say "gee EQ2 sure was a beta prodcut when it first came out). I suspect there are two types of EQII players right now reading this. There is the first type that reads this and thinks that I have no clue about their game (no need for me to give you my gaming resume, I know what I look for in a game, I know the noobs and the experts when I see them); this type has connected to the game and are blind to my viewpoint (afterall its just a view point, I respect yours!). The other type is in denial. To that playerbase I say leave now for SOE had sooo many chances and they blew them all. There are far better games out there then Everquest II. My entire crew of 5 friends left EQII for WoW after I talked to them around these same lines (all but me =D ).
And that is why WoW is selling for $20 more then EQII in Canada. I'm so very happy to see this happen after the sheer lack of customer service exhibted by SOE. I'm happy to see their game numbers bottom out vs. their main competitor, its called: reality check. I think they just picked some crap out of the air and expected us to eat it all up.
Am I disappointed? You're dam right I am. I paid a lot of money to upgrade my computer. I spent a lot of my time and energy participating in the beta community for that game. I looked and watched and saw the design unfold and waited with great anticipation. I guess I just expected the game to build on the mistakes and strengths of the original title. But it didn't, it didn't at all. I gave these morons $70 plus 3 months of game time and I didn't even get a lousy tee shirt...so am I gonna be vocal!
Don't get me wrong, I do not count SOE out just yet. I'm sure their entire team is working on ways to salvage this sinking wreck (IMO IMO IMO!!) ....but the only way SOE Will win back my business is to fix a lot of crap....a lot. I've never been so let down by a game title in my life (and never again will I).
In general MMO terms: Every game maker wants your money, but not all of them are riding on a rep 5+ years old. The wave of EQ is waning and 2nd generation MMO's have all missed the boat. Yes, truly, the hope of creating an online world, rather then a game, goes to the 3rd generation MMO's. Hopefuly titles like Vanguard can learn from Blizzard's and Sony's mistakes. Hopefully**someone** creates a MMO with some real depth instead of this "just add water, instant MMO gratification" crap we've been dished out this year.
For the record I'm not a Wow fanboi ....if any, I'm an Eve-Online fanboi....
RIP EQ Live (as I knew it)....may you find rest in plains of Karanas under a rock in the middle of a field.
Originally posted by Wickes I can't believe I read that. Somebody just shoot me
I got about 3 sentences in and I couldn't bear anymore, you really should see a head cracker about those self destructive tendancies Wickes :P
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Great! I did ask for it and I did read it. I also disagree completely, but we're both entitled to our opinions.
Personally, I could not get into EQ1 for the fact that I saw nothing but a grind. In a weeks time, I only had reason to talk to 5 NPCs total? I only made it to level 8 because I got bored of grinding. As far as lore and setting, I'm really not sure what your talking about. Maybe I just couldn't get far enough to get into it? By only level 10 in EQ2, I feel like I'm really involved in a living world. All the NPCs have a personality. The city itself (Freeport) has a personality.
I think thats my main reason for liking EQ2; you are quickly put into an active world and made to feel like part of whats going on in the world.
Of course thats just my opinion, and your still free to disagree.
Originally posted by webBear1000 I've been pretty scathing about EQ2 but I'm seriously thinking about giving it another go. I'm pretty impressed with all the updates they've been doing. If nothing else it shows commitment to the game by SOE. I'd be interested to hear the experiences of anyone else who's returned to the game after initial dissapointment.
I'm the same, i played WoW when it was first released and closed my account a few weeks ago... It was a huge dissapointment. SOE had more Planetside patches since WoW has been released compaired to WoW! They really show their lack of experiance and really should of started with something smaller.
And now since im upgrading my PC (x800XT here i come!) i have no reason not to play EQ2.
I'm far from disapointed with WoW but I'm thinking about playing EQ2 as well.
*ducks*
Join the x800XT club matey
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Originally posted by webBear1000 Originally posted by BuZeROriginally posted by webBear1000I've been pretty scathing about EQ2 but I'm seriously thinking about giving it another go.I'm pretty impressed with all the updates they've been doing. If nothing else it shows commitment to the game by SOE.I'd be interested to hear the experiences of anyone else who's returned to the game after initial dissapointment.I'm the same, i played WoW when it was first released and closed my account a few weeks ago... It was a huge dissapointment. SOE had more Planetside patches since WoW has been released compaired to WoW!They really show their lack of experiance and really should of started with something smaller. And now since im upgrading my PC (x800XT here i come!) i have no reason not to play EQ2. I'm far from disapointed with WoW but I'm thinking about playing EQ2 as well. *ducks* Join the x800XT club matey
I have an x600 in my laptop, does that count?
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Actually I find WoW to be mindnumbingly boring, so that's one Blizzard left out too, and I've solo'd from 1-20 and that was BEFORE improvements to the solo game. Not only that, but show me where EQ2 was EVER marketed for the solo'er? I can show you tons of stuff that say it's group oriented.
It's really an easy game when you include opinions, but try using some facts to back up your bullshit statements.
Actually I find WoW to be mindnumbingly boring, so that's one Blizzard left out too, and I've solo'd from 1-20 and that was BEFORE improvements to the solo game. Not only that, but show me where EQ2 was EVER marketed for the solo'er? I can show you tons of stuff that say it's group oriented.
It's really an easy game when you include opinions, but try using some facts to back up your bullshit statements.
Okay how's this for proof...1.2 Million WoW players vs. 325k EQ2 players. The masses have spoken and they are NOT with you. Only bullshit I smell is coming for your mouth.
EQ2 is the most mind-numbing boring game ever created. Absolutely zero point other than to get better gear.
Originally posted by Kane And WoW is different...how?
both are same in that there is really nothing to do except get better gear. In fact looking at other mmorpgs I see a disturbing trend. CoH and Matrix also follow same pattern, grind for gear and levels...then when maxed game over.
Peeps need to take a second look at SWG since the fixes have been getting done. New planet coming, war has been revamped, and there are goals besides grinding...can strive for jedi (ive been working for that for 1+ year), decorate your house with rare and valuable loot, try and get rare armor like BH, mandalorian, or RIS, participate in the war and do pvp or destroy bases for control of that planet, etc. Always something to do or see in SWG.
Okay how's this for proof...1.2 Million WoW players vs. 325k EQ2 players. The masses have spoken and they are NOT with you. Only bullshit I smell is coming for your mouth.
Absolutely correct. And I know that I personally have always been guided by the masses. I particularly liked the part when we were all wearing leisure suits.
I'm also thinking about re-acticvating my EQ2 account... Going to keep monotoring these baords for a wee while first though and see what the general consensus is in terms of how the game seems to be progressing. Hopefully i'll see you all back in Freeport again soon.
I like how admriker can come on here and talk a bunch of smack about EQ2 despite it's constant improvements, THEN hype his own flawed game (SWG) which also had to have a crapload of improvements just to be fun.
admriker's views:
I like SWG, therefore: All changes are good and beneficial
I hate EQ2, therefore: No matter what changes they make, it will always be crap
Actually I find WoW to be mindnumbingly boring, so that's one Blizzard left out too, and I've solo'd from 1-20 and that was BEFORE improvements to the solo game. Not only that, but show me where EQ2 was EVER marketed for the solo'er? I can show you tons of stuff that say it's group oriented.
It's really an easy game when you include opinions, but try using some facts to back up your bullshit statements.
Okay how's this for proof...1.2 Million WoW players vs. 325k EQ2 players. The masses have spoken and they are NOT with you. Only bullshit I smell is coming for your mouth.
EQ2 is the most mind-numbing boring game ever created. Absolutely zero point other than to get better gear.
This is exactly the lemming, mindless, follow the leader mindset that put the likes of GWB in office. There are millions of people doing crack too, I must be missing out!!
This is exactly the lemming, mindless, follow the leader mindset that put the likes of GWB in office. There are millions of people doing crack too, I must be missing out!!
Why do people feel the need to bring their friggin' political views to a game site? What are you going to do next, start spouting on religion?
Why do people feel the need to bring their friggin' political views to a game site? What are you going to do next, start spouting on religion?[/b][/quote] Amen brother amen.
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I'll tell you one thing. I personally came over to mmorpg.com and registered for one thing.....
The sole purpose of attacking EQ2. I can't say I was promised anything by SOE, but it wasn't this pile of stink I paid 50 bucks for plus 2 months of fees.
I feel ripped off. EQ2, whilst in development, promised various qualities among the forums and faq's and such. It did not deliver; was nearly false advertisement.
I am more likely to feel that Blizzard deliviered more of what it promised. I covered both games considerably for years. I feel satisfied that Blizzard crafted the game they promised. EQ2 came out NOTHING like I expected.
With all the talk about servers being down at blizzard... Wasn't ALL of EQ2 down for over 2 days once??? Or did I dream this.....? I'm honestly not sure...
I won't be surprised when Blizzard starts doling out new matieral WITHOUT charging for it. It's a company that knows what their customers want, and how to keep them.
P.S. I'm starting to feel conversations like this are analogue to political right/left discussions
I agree. I bought EQ2 and paid for a 3month subscription. With all the hype I was sure I was gonna keep on playin. I was even about to get the 6 month subscription! Hell after a month I had enough. If anyone knows me, I was an EQ2 fanboi
I'm the same, i played WoW when it was first released and closed my account a few weeks ago... It was a huge dissapointment. SOE had more Planetside patches since WoW has been released compaired to WoW!
They really show their lack of experiance and really should of started with something smaller.
And now since im upgrading my PC (x800XT here i come!) i have no reason not to play EQ2.
The issue I have with this game is, unfortunately, not a simple matter to hammer down in one sentence. My beef from the game stems from the history and evolution of the Everquest title period. I don't have any numbers, but my gut tells me SOE has alienated their own freakin EQ I playerbase. EQII keeps a loyal base because a> there is a core group that does love this game (I respect your abilty to endure) b> People just put up with crap far too much, and/or are not interested in, or are not searching for other gaming options. (No I'm not the "lets create a interest group and lobby with banner waiving" type).
In a nutshell, its my opinion SOE didn't make Everquest I, Brad McQuaid did (there's some history there and I'm sure the trollers will pick it apart). But basically, my point is, there was a point in the creative process YEARS ago where SOE and their retarded marketing department did not have their grubby hands on the game design. The creativity that stemed from that world (which reviewers back in the day said would fail) that took the RPG and MMO RPG communities by storm. Faction, racial interactions, big cities, little cities, big trolls little gnomes.....The Estate of Unrest, Tower of Frozen Shadow, Mayong Mistmoor and Co., getting lost in Frontier Mountains, guilds, naggy, Fuzzlecutter.
Brad created a world that had a tree city on an distant continent, and there was a deep story surrounding Kelethin and Faydwer. There was a haunted house in the middle of nowhere, passed some mountains and a deep couldron of water.....there was a story there too.
SOE has been riding on the Rep of THAT creation for a long time now. But they've begun to weed out details they obviously don't think are important. They left a few things out. The first thing they left out is the player community. SOE does not want to hear any disdain for their game. Period. Go try, go to the SOE boards and post your most constructive post of all time and see how long the mods leave it open...SOE does not want to hear bad, no matter how well constructed, about their game.
The other thing SOE left out of EQII is a heart. In the world of pixel shader cards, locked encounters and trivial loot code they forgot to write a decent canon for their world that truly made a EQI player feel like the gaps in space and time were filled between the old norrath and the new norrath. EQII lacks a heart because the values held by the game dev. are not to create an immersive world rich in lore, history, and content full of haunted houses, bird houses and the sword in the stone. The values of SOE appear to be "lets milk them for all we can, while we can." I keep going back to the /pizza command and the pay as zone features of this game. SOE will not be satisfied until they have a game client that has the means to bill your credit card from within the game, and you don't actually explore any content, you just hit your attack button for 50 cents a swing.
SOE is truly disconnected from the MMO community that built everquest. The mods on the Sony boards have their heads so far up their ass they can't see the light of day (and you can tell them I said that too). They release a game that lacks any true plot, any true meaning for players to give to their characters. They create fantastic graphics void of individuality. The come so close so often but the fact they missed by so far shines a big bright light on their incompotence and disconnect with the community that followed them for so long.
They put houses in their game because other games had houses. Tell me, what exactly do houses do in EQII? They introduced a crafting system that looks good on paper, but when you pick it apart its highly generic and infinately repeatitive. They introduce nice looking zones to explore and then make fish run on land for 10 miles across a bridge, over a hill and through a gully. They spend millions of dollars on development, hype the crap out of character customization, and then fail to give me the means to wear a blue robe instead of grey.
If EQII survives for a year (and I'm sure it will) players will look back in two and say "gee EQ2 sure was a beta prodcut when it first came out). I suspect there are two types of EQII players right now reading this. There is the first type that reads this and thinks that I have no clue about their game (no need for me to give you my gaming resume, I know what I look for in a game, I know the noobs and the experts when I see them); this type has connected to the game and are blind to my viewpoint (afterall its just a view point, I respect yours!). The other type is in denial. To that playerbase I say leave now for SOE had sooo many chances and they blew them all. There are far better games out there then Everquest II. My entire crew of 5 friends left EQII for WoW after I talked to them around these same lines (all but me =D ).
And that is why WoW is selling for $20 more then EQII in Canada. I'm so very happy to see this happen after the sheer lack of customer service exhibted by SOE. I'm happy to see their game numbers bottom out vs. their main competitor, its called: reality check. I think they just picked some crap out of the air and expected us to eat it all up.
Am I disappointed? You're dam right I am. I paid a lot of money to upgrade my computer. I spent a lot of my time and energy participating in the beta community for that game. I looked and watched and saw the design unfold and waited with great anticipation. I guess I just expected the game to build on the mistakes and strengths of the original title. But it didn't, it didn't at all. I gave these morons $70 plus 3 months of game time and I didn't even get a lousy tee shirt...so am I gonna be vocal!
Don't get me wrong, I do not count SOE out just yet. I'm sure their entire team is working on ways to salvage this sinking wreck (IMO IMO IMO!!) ....but the only way SOE Will win back my business is to fix a lot of crap....a lot. I've never been so let down by a game title in my life (and never again will I).
In general MMO terms: Every game maker wants your money, but not all of them are riding on a rep 5+ years old. The wave of EQ is waning and 2nd generation MMO's have all missed the boat. Yes, truly, the hope of creating an online world, rather then a game, goes to the 3rd generation MMO's. Hopefuly titles like Vanguard can learn from Blizzard's and Sony's mistakes. Hopefully**someone** creates a MMO with some real depth instead of this "just add water, instant MMO gratification" crap we've been dished out this year.
For the record I'm not a Wow fanboi ....if any, I'm an Eve-Online fanboi....
RIP EQ Live (as I knew it)....may you find rest in plains of Karanas under a rock in the middle of a field.
peace.
I can't believe I read that.
Somebody just shoot me
I got about 3 sentences in and I couldn't bear anymore, you really should see a head cracker about those self destructive tendancies Wickes :P
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Great! I did ask for it and I did read it. I also disagree completely, but we're both entitled to our opinions.
Personally, I could not get into EQ1 for the fact that I saw nothing but a grind. In a weeks time, I only had reason to talk to 5 NPCs total? I only made it to level 8 because I got bored of grinding. As far as lore and setting, I'm really not sure what your talking about. Maybe I just couldn't get far enough to get into it? By only level 10 in EQ2, I feel like I'm really involved in a living world. All the NPCs have a personality. The city itself (Freeport) has a personality.
I think thats my main reason for liking EQ2; you are quickly put into an active world and made to feel like part of whats going on in the world.
Of course thats just my opinion, and your still free to disagree.
I'm the same, i played WoW when it was first released and closed my account a few weeks ago... It was a huge dissapointment. SOE had more Planetside patches since WoW has been released compaired to WoW!
They really show their lack of experiance and really should of started with something smaller.
And now since im upgrading my PC (x800XT here i come!) i have no reason not to play EQ2.
I'm far from disapointed with WoW but I'm thinking about playing EQ2 as well.
*ducks*
Join the x800XT club matey
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Don't jump off the roof Dad
You'll make a hole in the yard
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I have an x600 in my laptop, does that count?
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Actually I find WoW to be mindnumbingly boring, so that's one Blizzard left out too, and I've solo'd from 1-20 and that was BEFORE improvements to the solo game. Not only that, but show me where EQ2 was EVER marketed for the solo'er? I can show you tons of stuff that say it's group oriented.
It's really an easy game when you include opinions, but try using some facts to back up your bullshit statements.
Actually I find WoW to be mindnumbingly boring, so that's one Blizzard left out too, and I've solo'd from 1-20 and that was BEFORE improvements to the solo game. Not only that, but show me where EQ2 was EVER marketed for the solo'er? I can show you tons of stuff that say it's group oriented.
It's really an easy game when you include opinions, but try using some facts to back up your bullshit statements.
Okay how's this for proof...1.2 Million WoW players vs. 325k EQ2 players. The masses have spoken and they are NOT with you. Only bullshit I smell is coming for your mouth.
EQ2 is the most mind-numbing boring game ever created. Absolutely zero point other than to get better gear.
And WoW is different...how?
Absolutely correct. And I know that I personally have always been guided by the masses. I particularly liked the part when we were all wearing leisure suits.
I like how admriker can come on here and talk a bunch of smack about EQ2 despite it's constant improvements, THEN hype his own flawed game (SWG) which also had to have a crapload of improvements just to be fun.
admriker's views:
I like SWG, therefore: All changes are good and beneficial
I hate EQ2, therefore: No matter what changes they make, it will always be crap
Actually I find WoW to be mindnumbingly boring, so that's one Blizzard left out too, and I've solo'd from 1-20 and that was BEFORE improvements to the solo game. Not only that, but show me where EQ2 was EVER marketed for the solo'er? I can show you tons of stuff that say it's group oriented.
It's really an easy game when you include opinions, but try using some facts to back up your bullshit statements.
Okay how's this for proof...1.2 Million WoW players vs. 325k EQ2 players. The masses have spoken and they are NOT with you. Only bullshit I smell is coming for your mouth.
EQ2 is the most mind-numbing boring game ever created. Absolutely zero point other than to get better gear.
This is exactly the lemming, mindless, follow the leader mindset that put the likes of GWB in office. There are millions of people doing crack too, I must be missing out!!
Why do people feel the need to bring their friggin' political views to a game site? What are you going to do next, start spouting on religion?
I will! Religion sucks! That is all.
[quote]Originally posted by darquenblade
Why do people feel the need to bring their friggin' political views to a game site? What are you going to do next, start spouting on religion?[/b][/quote]
Amen brother amen.