I Don't care about the history, I don't care what other people say, I don't even care if the community stays small, infact I kind of like it that way.
All I know is this..
I had all but given up on MMO's, I was bored and simply not having fun in any of the "sucessful" games out there. Since sampling the Vanguard trial and now the full game for a few weeks my old passion has been revived. Its fun, its hard, it keeps me coming back for more and thats all I need.
Let the trolls keep flaming away it keeps them outta our community, who needs such short sighted players anyway.
Amen
Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
I Don't care about the history, I don't care what other people say, I don't even care if the community stays small, infact I kind of like it that way.
All I know is this..
I had all but given up on MMO's, I was bored and simply not having fun in any of the "sucessful" games out there. Since sampling the Vanguard trial and now the full game for a few weeks my old passion has been revived. Its fun, its hard, it keeps me coming back for more and thats all I need.
Let the trolls keep flaming away it keeps them outta our community, who needs such short sighted players anyway.
Amen
Amen.
It makes you wonder though, why Vanguard often fails at outreach and hospitality towards the other 99.9% of MMO players.
Not saying its a wow clone but its core leveling system is just another slay 10 rat quests for exp game. But hey if thats your thing.
I am not sure what you mean. If you mean you can quest to advance, then yes you can. If you are saying the quests have no imagination, then I guess it's opinion, but so far they seem to have a lot of imagination. If you're saying you can't advance unless you quest, I think you're wrong, but I'll find out soon enough.
I just downloaded the 14 day trial and from my first impressions it might turn into a full subscription. I made a psionicist and I am finding it a blast to play. The game really is visually pleasing to look at. Nice little gem of a game from what my few hours of gameplay can determine.
SOE should like try to sell this game or something.
I Don't care about the history, I don't care what other people say, I don't even care if the community stays small, infact I kind of like it that way.
All I know is this..
I had all but given up on MMO's, I was bored and simply not having fun in any of the "sucessful" games out there. Since sampling the Vanguard trial and now the full game for a few weeks my old passion has been revived. Its fun, its hard, it keeps me coming back for more and thats all I need.
Let the trolls keep flaming away it keeps them outta our community, who needs such short sighted players anyway.
Amen
Amen.
It makes you wonder though, why Vanguard often fails at outreach and hospitality towards the other 99.9% of MMO players.
Well, it's got issues.
I mean, many of us who play it know it to be FAR better then when it was launched.
but if one is used to smooth, relatively bug free game play (i.e. wow, lotro, coh, etc) then it's "creakiness" becomes more than apparent.
And it's even in game where it sometimes comes apparent just from what you experience in game.
there was a point where I suddenly realized that my game play was exceptionally smooth. It actually took me by surprise. This was because I would occasionaly have a minor chunk or someting that reminded me that "oh yeah it was vanguard".
But then later that evening I found myself in an area where I would have a bit of a "stop" as I crossed a chunk. Infinitely better then when the game launched but if one is not used to this, doesn't know to expect this, or if this would drive them nuts then that is going to turn players off.
Also, if players are used to regular pick up groups and seeing an area that has huge amounts of traffic then Vanguard is going to seem a bit barren because the world is just so huge and there isn't really one main city. Kal seems very easy to work from and I tend to see more people there from my experience. Why? Because one doesn't have to run around to find everything. It's reasonably close.
Which goes to show us that no matter what, players will tend to gravitate toward what is more convenient. It's only human nature.
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I am in the same boat with a lot of people here, I gave up on MMOs and gave Vanguard a serious try... the game is fantastic but sadly I am currently unsubbed because I hit 30ish and had no one to group with... the game would be so great with a high population - the way Vanguards population is low even though the game is good could not be more unfortunate.
I wonder if SOE knows they have a good game here and might try to revive the population with a risky move - I hope they do everything they can before shutting it down
They should make it F2P for 6-9 months to attract more people with the hope they come back and subscribe once its not F2P If they dont wanna do that then go the D&D Model go F2P with RTM.
Well my LotRO kin has settled in Vanuard for a while. I see a lot of After Hours people on too. (People from this board.) I suspect Seradon may have a reasonable population for a while.
i like this game , played in beta and beyond but the instability turned me off, so i left. some time later my son tried it because i told him that it was agood game and maybe it has improved since i tested it. Well he loged in and made a character and started (i was looking over his shoulder watching) . he got couple levels under his belt then asked a question in chat but the reply was and i quote "shut the fuck up" unquote , son asked whats the problem dude to which someone else says and i quote " you heard the man , shut the fuck up" . so my son looks at me and says i wont waste my time on this game. I dont blame my son for losing interest, pity because if he got into it i would have resubed. im sure these jerks were a minority but it still was a big turn off + i dont like soe's track record of butchering games(swg is a good example). On the up side Vanguard IS agood game , i loved it but i dont ever see me going back.
But then later that evening I found myself in an area where I would have a bit of a "stop" as I crossed a chunk. Infinitely better then when the game launched but if one is not used to this, doesn't know to expect this, or if this would drive them nuts then that is going to turn players off.
I wondering exactly how they're handling the "chunking" in the game, because my friend who's also playing was running behind me last night and, when I hit a chunk line, he said in Vent "Uhh... you just disappeared..." and then when the chunking stopped, he said "Oh, there you are".
Another thing I notice is that when I have mail, every time it finishes loading a new chunk I'll get the "you have new mail" update, my character is standing still, etc.
Yet.... I can still see into the chunk I just left, along with everything in it, and anything that might have been chasing me will still be chasing me.
So it makes me wonder if they're handling it in some hybrid of quasi streaming and loading the full map, where the chunk you're in at the moment is the only "active" one, and they only partially load surrounding chunks, enough to give the background, any creatures you might see, etc... Then when you enter it, the game basically loads the "full level", thus causing the hitch.
As it uses the Unreal 2.5 engine (though heavily modded), the core architecture is still based around separate levels, not large seamless worlds. Unreal 2 levels can be a beast to load even in limited size, so the size of a VG level (including all models that have to be loaded, etc) can be quite huge. The map files I've seen in the game's Maps folder go as high as about 18.7 megs... and that's just the map file. I dont' think they have the meshes saved as part of the map files themself, but load them on the fly from references contained within the map (Unreal tech uses a sort of mesh instancing system, so technically they only have to load each mesh into memory once... and then the engine does the work of instancing them across the map).. So you have the map file plus all the models, textures, etc to load.
In short... it's a lot to load on the fly. It seems that by pre-loading some of the meshes and such, they're mitigating some of it, because an Unreal 2 map can take, potentially a few moments to load (ever tried loading the maps in Unreal Tournament 2004, for example... there's a few moments of loading time).
In any case... It just seems to me that they did a less-than-good job of retro-fitting a streaming system into the Unreal Tech architecture for VG. By comparison, look at Lineage 2... it has some hitching at the chunk lines, but nothing nearly so pronounced as VG has. Also, in my time checking out Spellborn, also using Unreal 2 tech, I never noticed it either.
So... anyway... it seems that the chunking problem could be all but eliminated - at least reduced substantially - if they revisited the streaming system in place. It's not game breaking for me either, but it's certainly a notable distraction that doesn't have to be as present as it is.
Anyway... my two cents :-p
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Its a false open world. Those chunk lines are zone lines. You can see across zones but when you pass through a chunk you are handed off to the other zone server.
Doesn't bug me, certainly not going to leave for that. Some of the other QoL features though might do it.
Its a false open world. Those chunk lines are zone lines. You can see across zones but when you pass through a chunk you are handed off to the other zone server.
Doesn't bug me, certainly not going to leave for that. Some of the other QoL features though might do it.
When i cross a chunk line i can see you on the other side, mobs can chase you across that chunk line as well. so i don't know where you get that idea from,you must have it mixed up with AOC.
Everyone is in the same world..
A Chunk is a term used to denote one of the regions of the world of Telon, called regions in some sources. These are respresented as squares on the game map, and delineate content to a certain extent, although they do not function as zones as in many other MMORPGs. Moving from one chunk to another is done continguously, and requires no load screen, although there is sometimes visible hitching when this occurs, known as "chunking".
Most content within a given chunk will be appropriate to a certain level range. This is not universally true, however, and it is unwise to assume absolute safety within a chunk of appropriate level.
I play VG, I know all that. Doesn't change that you are 'zoning'. MOBs in CoX can zone with you too, not new tech to allow MOBs to pass through zone lines. If you actively look at the chunk design of VG you would have noticed it rarely if ever has content near chunk lines. That said if you do the border dance going in and out of chunks it rather painfully obvious that despite no loading screen, you are zoning to another area. Think its more accurate to call it a continuous world than an open world.
WoW I would say is an open world with true distinct zones despite the lack of zoning. Bring the WoW tech to VG, make it seemless and hot digidy!
Tested it yesterday for fun. MOBs do cross lines but, one pop in at the chunk line, then continue to head the direction they were even if you stopped, lose their hate table and then go home. So its zone lines and if you can get to a chunk line it will save you from dieing.
What a joke. So I trusted the OP to give Vanguard's free trial a shot. Well, couldn't even download the freaking game -- kept getting an error.
There was a problem decompressing the file C:Program Files (x86)SonyVanguardlp_tempAssetsCharactersAnimationsUEA_ettercap_M_advn.uea.gz. Please try again. If the problem persists use the Help menu above for more info and help.
Station launcher will try again after 30 seconds.
I have ZERO patience for this -- especially after Vanguards prior poor performance. And don't say it's 'my computer' because I've recently downloaded other MMO updates for re-trials and they all work fine.
And the fact that you have to enter CC info for a free trial (forcing me to cancel an autopay subscription) is just typical SOE bullshit. If SOE really had faith in its games, they wouldn't resort to shady practices to earn cheap $.
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Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
What a joke. So I trusted the OP to give Vanguard's free trial a shot. Well, couldn't even download the freaking game -- kept getting an error.
There was a problem decompressing the file C:Program Files (x86)SonyVanguardlp_tempAssetsCharactersAnimationsUEA_ettercap_M_advn.uea.gz. Please try again. If the problem persists use the Help menu above for more info and help.
Station launcher will try again after 30 seconds.
I have ZERO patience for this -- especially after Vanguards prior poor performance. And don't say it's 'my computer' because I've recently downloaded other MMO updates for re-trials and they all work fine.
And the fact that you have to enter CC info for a free trial (forcing me to cancel an autopay subscription) is just typical SOE bullshit. If SOE really had faith in its games, they wouldn't resort to shady practices to earn cheap $.
I started playing few days ago, I didn't need to enter ANY CC info for trial, first CC info I had to give was when I decided to subscribe to game.
About station launcher problems, I agree, it's really sloppy from SOE to break game with their stupid launcher, but thank god you can install game without launcher, so this shouldn't be such a big deal.
What a joke. So I trusted the OP to give Vanguard's free trial a shot. Well, couldn't even download the freaking game -- kept getting an error.
There was a problem decompressing the file C:Program Files (x86)SonyVanguardlp_tempAssetsCharactersAnimationsUEA_ettercap_M_advn.uea.gz. Please try again. If the problem persists use the Help menu above for more info and help.
Station launcher will try again after 30 seconds.
I have ZERO patience for this -- especially after Vanguards prior poor performance. And don't say it's 'my computer' because I've recently downloaded other MMO updates for re-trials and they all work fine.
And the fact that you have to enter CC info for a free trial (forcing me to cancel an autopay subscription) is just typical SOE bullshit. If SOE really had faith in its games, they wouldn't resort to shady practices to earn cheap $.
As someone who has downloaded, installed, and played the VG trial 3 times over the last year on 3 different machines, I just have to ask what on earth you did that you had to give CC info...this leads me to believe maybe an error occurred in how you tried to get into the game to begin with, i.e., trial vs purchase? I didn't have to enter CC info a single time for the trials.
Currently playing: LOTRO, Guild Wars 2. Have played: EVE Online; Champions Online; Age of Conan; City of Heroes/Villains; Star Wars Galaxies (pre-CU, pre-NGE); World of Warcraft (Vanilla to Cataclysm); Hellgate: London; Warhammer Online; Lord of the Rings Online; Vanguard: Saga of Heroes; Star Wars: The Old Republic Wishlist: Mass Effect Online
I play VG, I know all that. Doesn't change that you are 'zoning'.
Doesn't seem like zoning to me. No-one disappears, you can see across, hear across, shoot across the lines. It's all one world to me.
Your right,it's not zoning but the haters will not be convinced no matter what the facts are.
Agreed, it wouldn't be Teh Interwebz if you didn't have your fair share of uninformed over-confident "fact"-spewers.
Currently playing: LOTRO, Guild Wars 2. Have played: EVE Online; Champions Online; Age of Conan; City of Heroes/Villains; Star Wars Galaxies (pre-CU, pre-NGE); World of Warcraft (Vanilla to Cataclysm); Hellgate: London; Warhammer Online; Lord of the Rings Online; Vanguard: Saga of Heroes; Star Wars: The Old Republic Wishlist: Mass Effect Online
I downloaded trial and played before i moved, no problems( was not long ago). Never had to enter cc info either....... Cant wait to get internet back to play.
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Amen
Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
Thomas Jefferson
Amen.
It makes you wonder though, why Vanguard often fails at outreach and hospitality towards the other 99.9% of MMO players.
I am not sure what you mean. If you mean you can quest to advance, then yes you can. If you are saying the quests have no imagination, then I guess it's opinion, but so far they seem to have a lot of imagination. If you're saying you can't advance unless you quest, I think you're wrong, but I'll find out soon enough.
What IS it you mean?
if low pop was your only issue come join http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/277565/MMORPG-Guild-SERVER-Seradon-.html
mmost of the 70 or so players are just starting out and in their low to mid teens
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
I just downloaded the 14 day trial and from my first impressions it might turn into a full subscription. I made a psionicist and I am finding it a blast to play. The game really is visually pleasing to look at. Nice little gem of a game from what my few hours of gameplay can determine.
SOE should like try to sell this game or something.
Well, it's got issues.
I mean, many of us who play it know it to be FAR better then when it was launched.
but if one is used to smooth, relatively bug free game play (i.e. wow, lotro, coh, etc) then it's "creakiness" becomes more than apparent.
And it's even in game where it sometimes comes apparent just from what you experience in game.
there was a point where I suddenly realized that my game play was exceptionally smooth. It actually took me by surprise. This was because I would occasionaly have a minor chunk or someting that reminded me that "oh yeah it was vanguard".
But then later that evening I found myself in an area where I would have a bit of a "stop" as I crossed a chunk. Infinitely better then when the game launched but if one is not used to this, doesn't know to expect this, or if this would drive them nuts then that is going to turn players off.
Also, if players are used to regular pick up groups and seeing an area that has huge amounts of traffic then Vanguard is going to seem a bit barren because the world is just so huge and there isn't really one main city. Kal seems very easy to work from and I tend to see more people there from my experience. Why? Because one doesn't have to run around to find everything. It's reasonably close.
Which goes to show us that no matter what, players will tend to gravitate toward what is more convenient. It's only human nature.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I am in the same boat with a lot of people here, I gave up on MMOs and gave Vanguard a serious try... the game is fantastic but sadly I am currently unsubbed because I hit 30ish and had no one to group with... the game would be so great with a high population - the way Vanguards population is low even though the game is good could not be more unfortunate.
I wonder if SOE knows they have a good game here and might try to revive the population with a risky move - I hope they do everything they can before shutting it down
They should make it F2P for 6-9 months to attract more people with the hope they come back and subscribe once its not F2P If they dont wanna do that then go the D&D Model go F2P with RTM.
Well my LotRO kin has settled in Vanuard for a while. I see a lot of After Hours people on too. (People from this board.) I suspect Seradon may have a reasonable population for a while.
i like this game , played in beta and beyond but the instability turned me off, so i left. some time later my son tried it because i told him that it was agood game and maybe it has improved since i tested it. Well he loged in and made a character and started (i was looking over his shoulder watching) . he got couple levels under his belt then asked a question in chat but the reply was and i quote "shut the fuck up" unquote , son asked whats the problem dude to which someone else says and i quote " you heard the man , shut the fuck up" . so my son looks at me and says i wont waste my time on this game. I dont blame my son for losing interest, pity because if he got into it i would have resubed. im sure these jerks were a minority but it still was a big turn off + i dont like soe's track record of butchering games(swg is a good example). On the up side Vanguard IS agood game , i loved it but i dont ever see me going back.
I wondering exactly how they're handling the "chunking" in the game, because my friend who's also playing was running behind me last night and, when I hit a chunk line, he said in Vent "Uhh... you just disappeared..." and then when the chunking stopped, he said "Oh, there you are".
Another thing I notice is that when I have mail, every time it finishes loading a new chunk I'll get the "you have new mail" update, my character is standing still, etc.
Yet.... I can still see into the chunk I just left, along with everything in it, and anything that might have been chasing me will still be chasing me.
So it makes me wonder if they're handling it in some hybrid of quasi streaming and loading the full map, where the chunk you're in at the moment is the only "active" one, and they only partially load surrounding chunks, enough to give the background, any creatures you might see, etc... Then when you enter it, the game basically loads the "full level", thus causing the hitch.
As it uses the Unreal 2.5 engine (though heavily modded), the core architecture is still based around separate levels, not large seamless worlds. Unreal 2 levels can be a beast to load even in limited size, so the size of a VG level (including all models that have to be loaded, etc) can be quite huge. The map files I've seen in the game's Maps folder go as high as about 18.7 megs... and that's just the map file. I dont' think they have the meshes saved as part of the map files themself, but load them on the fly from references contained within the map (Unreal tech uses a sort of mesh instancing system, so technically they only have to load each mesh into memory once... and then the engine does the work of instancing them across the map).. So you have the map file plus all the models, textures, etc to load.
In short... it's a lot to load on the fly. It seems that by pre-loading some of the meshes and such, they're mitigating some of it, because an Unreal 2 map can take, potentially a few moments to load (ever tried loading the maps in Unreal Tournament 2004, for example... there's a few moments of loading time).
In any case... It just seems to me that they did a less-than-good job of retro-fitting a streaming system into the Unreal Tech architecture for VG. By comparison, look at Lineage 2... it has some hitching at the chunk lines, but nothing nearly so pronounced as VG has. Also, in my time checking out Spellborn, also using Unreal 2 tech, I never noticed it either.
So... anyway... it seems that the chunking problem could be all but eliminated - at least reduced substantially - if they revisited the streaming system in place. It's not game breaking for me either, but it's certainly a notable distraction that doesn't have to be as present as it is.
Anyway... my two cents :-p
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Its a false open world. Those chunk lines are zone lines. You can see across zones but when you pass through a chunk you are handed off to the other zone server.
Doesn't bug me, certainly not going to leave for that. Some of the other QoL features though might do it.
When i cross a chunk line i can see you on the other side, mobs can chase you across that chunk line as well. so i don't know where you get that idea from,you must have it mixed up with AOC.
Everyone is in the same world..
A Chunk is a term used to denote one of the regions of the world of Telon, called regions in some sources. These are respresented as squares on the game map, and delineate content to a certain extent, although they do not function as zones as in many other MMORPGs. Moving from one chunk to another is done continguously, and requires no load screen, although there is sometimes visible hitching when this occurs, known as "chunking".
Most content within a given chunk will be appropriate to a certain level range. This is not universally true, however, and it is unwise to assume absolute safety within a chunk of appropriate level.
Furious Fighters
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm
I play VG, I know all that. Doesn't change that you are 'zoning'. MOBs in CoX can zone with you too, not new tech to allow MOBs to pass through zone lines. If you actively look at the chunk design of VG you would have noticed it rarely if ever has content near chunk lines. That said if you do the border dance going in and out of chunks it rather painfully obvious that despite no loading screen, you are zoning to another area. Think its more accurate to call it a continuous world than an open world.
WoW I would say is an open world with true distinct zones despite the lack of zoning. Bring the WoW tech to VG, make it seemless and hot digidy!
Yeah, tell me about it. I keep thinking "what if they just changed all the tech behind the game, actually make it butter smooth.
Oh well.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Tested it yesterday for fun. MOBs do cross lines but, one pop in at the chunk line, then continue to head the direction they were even if you stopped, lose their hate table and then go home. So its zone lines and if you can get to a chunk line it will save you from dieing.
Doesn't seem like zoning to me. No-one disappears, you can see across, hear across, shoot across the lines. It's all one world to me.
What a joke. So I trusted the OP to give Vanguard's free trial a shot. Well, couldn't even download the freaking game -- kept getting an error.
There was a problem decompressing the file C:Program Files (x86)SonyVanguardlp_tempAssetsCharactersAnimationsUEA_ettercap_M_advn.uea.gz. Please try again. If the problem persists use the Help menu above for more info and help.
Station launcher will try again after 30 seconds.
I have ZERO patience for this -- especially after Vanguards prior poor performance. And don't say it's 'my computer' because I've recently downloaded other MMO updates for re-trials and they all work fine.
And the fact that you have to enter CC info for a free trial (forcing me to cancel an autopay subscription) is just typical SOE bullshit. If SOE really had faith in its games, they wouldn't resort to shady practices to earn cheap $.
_____________________________
Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
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I don't remember entering any CC info when trying the trial, but yeah that error seems to be from a recent patch or something.
That problem has happened since latest patch. It can be fixed by downloading the (full) game from http://vanguard.station.sony.com/install/
but that problem shouldn't happen with trial so are you sure you're trying to download trial?
Also, you don't need to enter CC info for trial. You have done something wrong and bought the game maybe... but thats your fault.
I started playing few days ago, I didn't need to enter ANY CC info for trial, first CC info I had to give was when I decided to subscribe to game.
About station launcher problems, I agree, it's really sloppy from SOE to break game with their stupid launcher, but thank god you can install game without launcher, so this shouldn't be such a big deal.
Your right,it's not zoning but the haters will not be convinced no matter what the facts are.
Furious Fighters
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm
As someone who has downloaded, installed, and played the VG trial 3 times over the last year on 3 different machines, I just have to ask what on earth you did that you had to give CC info...this leads me to believe maybe an error occurred in how you tried to get into the game to begin with, i.e., trial vs purchase? I didn't have to enter CC info a single time for the trials.
Currently playing: LOTRO, Guild Wars 2.
Have played: EVE Online; Champions Online; Age of Conan; City of Heroes/Villains; Star Wars Galaxies (pre-CU, pre-NGE); World of Warcraft (Vanilla to Cataclysm); Hellgate: London; Warhammer Online; Lord of the Rings Online; Vanguard: Saga of Heroes; Star Wars: The Old Republic
Wishlist: Mass Effect Online
Agreed, it wouldn't be Teh Interwebz if you didn't have your fair share of uninformed over-confident "fact"-spewers.
Currently playing: LOTRO, Guild Wars 2.
Have played: EVE Online; Champions Online; Age of Conan; City of Heroes/Villains; Star Wars Galaxies (pre-CU, pre-NGE); World of Warcraft (Vanilla to Cataclysm); Hellgate: London; Warhammer Online; Lord of the Rings Online; Vanguard: Saga of Heroes; Star Wars: The Old Republic
Wishlist: Mass Effect Online
I downloaded trial and played before i moved, no problems( was not long ago). Never had to enter cc info either....... Cant wait to get internet back to play.