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Not vaporware, but definitely a sham.
Margulis
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Every feature that is currently in the game, including combat, is simply terrible. TERRIBLE. This game makes Dawntide and Craft of Gods look like the pinnacle of gaming. For those that haven't watched, check out some in game videos, there are plenty of them as of now. I figured that the videos didn't do the game justice when they first came out. I didn't get in the first round of invites based on my preorder date, but I have had access for a few weeks now. Unfortunately, when the game was actually playing on my screen, I was dumbfounded by how clunky and dysfunctional the features are. The videos actually made the game look better than what it is.
Let's remind ourselves what Xsyon (lead developer) told the community approximately 2 months before the original (April) release date:
"EVERY feature on the feature list is either 100% complete, or 80% complete"
Now we're looking at MAYBE an August release date, with the game currently in an alpha stage at best, with only 10% of the massive feature list working at best.
And you must forgive me, I forgot, all those other features not in just aren't turned on yet. Sorry, forgot about that. Funny how that conveniently makes a perfect excuse for features being absent and can be used indefinitely. 2 years from now: oh yeah, ___________ feature from the feature list just isn't turned on yet, give it time............... Head out of the sand people.
If even the basic, core features of a game are bad, there is no amount of fluff that can cover that up. But, there isn't even any fluff to try to mask it with this game, there's just the core terrible features. But you scream to me PATIENCE!!!! Why should I be patient? They took my money months ago and promised me a release in April. I have no reason to be patient when I can be playing a multitude of other games, which I've already done. Also, what am I to be patient for? More features of the same quality as the already released features? No thanks, I'll pass.
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In no time the forums are flooded with negative opinions about "one of the most anticipated games" according to mmorpg.com. Well what is with the high hype then? If that game is a scam i suppose that this site can be taken under responsibility for over-hyping a scam. Anyway just remove the game from the most anticipated once or just lower it's hype somehow. Haven't read anything good inhere but still the hype stays.
No, they didnt take your money, YOU gave them your money when YOU made the pre-order. You feel scammed, cheated or just a little sad?, that becouse you gave someone you know nothing about a bunch of money in exchange of a promise.
Hmm...I wouldn't go as far as calling it a sham, but I do take your point.
It's kind of depressing for me. I'm an old gamer who loves the ideas these indie companies have been trying to realise over the past few years (DF, MO, Xyson) but I'm always left with a certain degree of disappointment. What gets me the most is that the main reason these games let me down is often in execution rather than manpower. The development cycle just seems badly thought through.
DF tried to make a true skill based game and yet didn't limit those skills in any way, so everyone does everything, there's no specialisation and the game becomes macroing & mindless PvPeee. MO tried to implement everything at once, far too broad an aim, and have ended up with even the basics, like server/client performance, being screwed.
Xyson however is still in its infancy and has openly had to deal with some early server issues and some dick DoSing the server. I just hope it doesn't go the same way as DF and MO and can actually create and stick to an intelligent development cycle that doesn't doom it before it's begun.
I do wish a company of experienced professionals - like Blizzard (excuse my language
) - would create a proper open-ended sandbox. Either that or CCP would do one not in spaceships, as I just can't seem to identify with EVE however hard I try.
Blind trust. I suppose they had no money and wanted a high hype with something new, so many ppl will trust them and fund them. Anyway this is not fair.
What he/she said. No, I'm not going to tell you to have patience. It says that they're in an alpha state so assumably the game isn't going to be up to much. What I am going to tell you is if you don't know the company and/or they're not known for releasing reputable games then do NOT throw money at them.
If you feel ripped off you have nobody to blame but you. Nobody told you to buy the game. You made that choice.
The sad point of everything from now on is that many people will loose their trust in the developers and then they will start to blame every single developer for their mistakes. So from ordinary gamers they turn into haters.
The developers qualify why the other features are not on yet. They are still working on getting stability ironed out. To add everything else into the mix before the server is completely stable could make making them stable a even longer process. So fare two months spent on server stability, patcher anomalies, and the ddos thing. So it is not simply just, "they are off"
This is the classic "blame the victim" argument. Should the victim have used more common sense and not have put himself in a situation where he could have been victimized? It's irrelevant. Notorious Games sold customers a product that didn't truly "exist". Yes, there is obviously a game, but it's clear it wasn't ready for it's April 15h launch date. In fact, it had never even been properly tested prior to granting preorder customers access. That's an irresponsible business practice, IMO.
Stop blaming the victim and instead hold the company accountable. Regardless who was either naive or blindly faithful enough to preorder the game, Notorious is the entity that sold it.
Whether Notorious qualifies why features turned on is also irrelevant. Virtus and Xsyon/Jooky have been great in terms of communicating with their players base, but it doesn't change the fact that preorder customers paid for a product that was supposed to have been delivered by now, but has been pushed back at least four months. As mentioned above, communication aside, the game shouldn't have been offered for sale in the first place. It hadn't ever been properly beta tested and obviously wasn't ready for launch.
~Ripper
P.S. I really hope Notorious gets their act together and can eventually release the game in a playable state with all features turned on. it sounds amazing. I just hope they can deliver.
I've been there and done it. So have others. If I buy a bad game that we don't truly know is bad yet, then who's the silly sod that brought into the hype. The developers didn't hold a gun to my head and tell me to buy it. I made a choice. Coming and mouthing off about it at this stage just belittles you, and will belittle you more if the game does launch in a viable state come June.
You can't complain that you were conned until you were actually conned. The OP hasn't been conned as far as I'm aware. They're trying to make the game viable. So you have to put up with it in an unviable state for the time being. Big whoop. There are worse things in the world.
It isn't like the site disappeared and ppl cannot be contacted to get a refund on his/her money. No point crying until you're hurt.
The game was already supposed to have launched. The OP purchased a product that wasn't delivered on time. Yes, it was the OP's prerogative to preorder the game, but he never would have had the opportunity to do so had the company offering the game engaged in better business practices. Only by holding the company accountable (and other companies like it), will these practices be improved.
~Ripper
I'm really going to say bad things about a company because their release date was delayed and in order to sort a problem out they turned some features off, honestly. I'll hold them accountable when they've done something wrong beyond delay a release date due to problems that are probably unavoidable.
How were the problems unavoidable? They sold a product that had never been properly tested and clearly wasn't ready for launch. That's irresponsible. Imagine if Apple started taking preorders for the iPad and then told customers that the product hadn't been fully tested, that almost all of the features were turned off and that it would be delayed at least four months. There would be huge public outcry. The only difference is a matter of scope.
Had Notorious offered preorders after a proper beta and stress testing phase and for a launch-ready product, that would be one thing, but they didn't.
They're not sorting out "a problem". They're using paying customers to fund and test their game after the fact.
~Ripper
/signed
It a f.u shame that they even speak about the game as a product, you can't do a sh*t in it, and you can't even play it because.
Lack of ingame content, lagg (server issue that should be resolved before any sign of PRE-whatever has coming up their hompage)
No this game (i call it a game anyway) is the most unfinished i ever seen before.
And this forum just turns EXACT as D&N did here when it was listed.
I damn those who has the responsibility to HYPE this game. That hype lvl should be below 3.2 same as D&L did after the fact was presented.
Hype is just that, hype. It doesn't reflect the quality of the game or indicate reviews. It's just how excited people are about the game and people are generally pretty excited about it. It sounds great. I hype ir reasonably high because I'm legitimately interested in it. If it were an actual review score, I wouldn't rate it at all until I'd actually played the game, which I haven't.
~Ripper
*shrugs* Six of one, half a dozen of another. I can go with that (mostly because I can't be bothered trying to distribute blame to anybody. It's nobody's fault and everyone's fault. It's the fault of the consumer for buying hype and the company for over promising features (which we don't know but jumping to conclusions seems to be the fun thing to do). Just because the features aren't there now doesn't mean they won't be (but that would be me jumping to conclusions which apparently is a bad thing for me to do and comes across as blaming somebody who was an innocent consumer looking to spend money).
So all in all, we're all right and we're all wrong at the same time.
I agree man, the game isn't even a game. A game has things that work and things that you can actually do. The only thing in Xsyon to do is lag and crash the server. This is a really bad alpha at best. The hype meter is part of the scam to get people to preorder it. Sad really I had hopes that someone would produce a decent sandbox this year. I guess I was wrong.
Heh. Since when is mmorpg.com a barometer for game anticipation? It's not. And though I'm anticipating this game, there's 90% more we dont know about it than we do since 90% of the game isnt implemented or turned on.
So this isn't about "hype", but taking advantage of a promotion of a launchable product and the opening of monetary orders based on that intent that the consumer was getting in a couple weeks early on a launchable product based on developer direction.
And today, its quite the opposite. Which is why there is quite a bit of vocal and quite disappointment since Xsyon turns into another experience of being lured with a promotion of completeness, an encouragement of trust from a studio on a pre-purchase fishing expedition and having that consumer faith trampled from a planned 4/15, then 5/15, then 6/15, then 815 launch with the caveat that another future date push is possible.
This does nothing more than feed the perception of bad business and buffoonery that stuidos, regardless of how large or small, should be actively trying to avoid, instead of emulate.
Consumers are not expected to "trust" that the reason why 90% of the content and features arent turned-on is because of server stability testing. Its not the consumers job to earn a studios confidence as the exusionist party would one believe, but the studios job to earn the confidence of the consumer, and respect their trust for providing compensation for something that was not delivered,
Yea, but we should know its a crap shoot with pre-orders, but that doesn't mean consumers should just roll-over submissively and be quiet about it being bs when it's bs. Consumer trust continues to be disrespected, and I'd agree this is one contributory factor to the Jaded Consumer, understandably. Using past poor behavior by studios to justify current poor behavior or performance isn't justifiable.
Yep. And though I anticipate any unique mmorpg that might seem to have potential, these stupid mistakes do more harm than good, particularly with regard to attracting a massively multiplayer audience which is a significant measuring stick as to whether I play a mmorpg.
In the end. Xsyon is held accountable, not the consumers that, once again, spent money on a product that was promoted to on the cusp of completion for a 4/15 launch, but actually doesn't exist. Those that pre-ordered were turned in "alpha testers".
This is the reality. I'm personally still anticipating Xsyon, but with each excuse, each casually eluded-to faux pas, each developmental blunder, it chips away at that anticipation.
Just to put a few things out there. Not trying to continue and argument or anything, just pointing things out.
Everyone who has ordered was aware that it was a pre-order for a game to come.
Agreed there have been set backs and we understand that some people will get irrated by this fact. Jooky only wishes to release a game in state that is worthy of being released instead of half assing it and saying its good enough. He wishes for everyone to get the most out of it as possible.
The features have not been put in yet because of the server problems that are currently occuring. Jooky and the team are currently in the process or reworking the system in a way that should remove the current problems.
If it puts people at ease just a little bit I was testing 1 on 1 with jooky a little while ago and he decided it would be funny to spawn a bear on me. It chased me all over, killed me, started eating my body, walk a few feet away and sat down, got up, walked further, and stood up and looked around.
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About the hype. Someone in this thread previously mentioned that Jooky should not of hyped this game. The fact is, they did not, the players did. Jooky has not sent out a single press release to anyone and has infact told them to please wait untill things are further along. All the aritcles on massively.com have come from players who sent them emails. All the hype here is from players. Jooky cannot control the actions of the players.
One point is you shouldnt espect pre-orderes being beta-testers (see starting post). They purchased a game not a job as beta tester
If you want something getting tested, get some real beta testers. Its just my 50 cents.
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personal note:
I, and I don't think jooky, does not expect anyone to test. We ask them to report bugs it does not mean they have to. Jooky did not state anywhere that you have to test else you can't play.
To add. Pre-order does not mean the game is in a perfect working situation, just that you are paying for a game to come. The benefits of pre-ordering are early access. At no point was a SoTW given. just my personal 50 cents also
Gotta agree with Virtus, the majority of the hype has come from players themselves base don their hopes for the game and its proposed features. It was never really hyped up by either the game makers, or MMORPG.com (not sure of other sites, perhaps they hyped it). Both simply gave us information on what was coming in the game, and the players themselves were excited about it, especially when we first heard of the game & its aspirations a few months back.
As to the rest, as far as wether or not the game is any good, i dont know, havent played it myself yet. Sucks that theres the delays, but then again, if your claism that the game is in such bad/nonworking shape right now are true, then woulkd you rather they released the game in its current state just so you can say "cool, i got my game i preordered.... oh wait this game is in horrible shape i want my money back", or put more time into getting it right and making sure you get a good quality game out of it?
It is not only very unfair but EXTREMELY unfair to give Mortal Online 2 years worth of time to develop and only give this game 6 months before getting angry. The only reason people are so anxious is that this company is potentially offering something that a very starved niche crowd are interested in. It doesn't help that this niche group is also the most vocal and negative of all the potential customer bases.
I completely understand now after following MO and DF forums for years, why more game companies don't want to deal with making sandbox games; the constant bickering and complaining. It is one thing to suggest something and something else to get out the pitchforks and scream VAPORWARE!!!
Just because games such as Mortal Online and Darkfall Online were disappointments means in no way that this game is also going to share their fate. In fact, the game would have to have a ton of promise to get people as riled up as it does every time a delay is announced. There is already footage of gameplay on the internet and all that, and I would not at all mind it if the game doesn't come out even for another year as long as when it does come out, the long features list it boasts is completely realized and not just a list of ideal conditions.
Tthere is a differance though. MO said it was going to be going into beta and needing testing. Xsyon sounded like it wa almost done, just needed a few tweaks, and she would be ready.
Kaiser, your point is moot, as the lack of quality and completion should not be the buyer's problem.
"Players purchased a product that was supposed to have launched in mid-April. Unfortunately, that product was in no way ready for launch, which has now been pushed back to at least mid-August. Preorder customers who expected to be playing the live game by now have a right to be disappointed. They bought something that has yet to be delivered." ~Ripper
You pre-order a game. You are told that the some of the features are 100% complete and everything else on the rather long list was 80% complete, You are told you will be able to play by a certain date and the system will be live and functional. The company takes your money and gives you a game where almost nothing works. The system is nowhere near the state they led you to expect it to be in.
Would you want your money back or would you be ok with them telling you to it will be four more months before it will be anywhere near usable? Honest answer, please.
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