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  • pojungpojung Member Posts: 810

    Originally posted by Li-Su

    Originally posted by pojung

    Originally posted by Li-Su

    Authenticators ends all dangers of being hacked.  Unless the hacker can land their hands on your autthenticator, you account cannot be stolen.

    Everyone is free to form their own opinions. But please refrain from passing opinion off as fact. There's enough honest misinformation floating around- none of us need the intentional kind.

    How am I passing opinion as a fact?  You know how it is possible to steal an account covered by an authenticator?  If not, it is you who throws up baseless fantasy around as it you know something I do not.

    Banks use the same key to protect online banking.  While theoretically it is still possible to randomly generate that code through brute force, is is well neigh impossible to do that within 30 seconds.  Prove your case or stop pretending I am proven wrong with anything solid.

    Very simple- my guildie of 3 years had an authenticator and practiced proper computer surfing protocols. His single case disproves your unbacked claim that 'ends all dangers' submits.

    Sidenote: I got a trojan horse from an internal email system from a .pdf file from a grad professor. Internal email. Through firewalls and adawares and virus checks... from a completely legit computer system to an equally legit computer system in an isolated circuit.

     

    You're online. No amount of 'protection' guarantees jack squat. Additionally, from a gaming company who promotes add-ons for UIs and the like, that authenticator isn't doing anything but giving you a warm and fuzzy.

    So, all that being said...

    That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
    We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
    So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
    - MMO_Doubter

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    Originally posted by pojung

    Originally posted by Li-Su

    Originally posted by pojung

    Originally posted by Li-Su

    Authenticators ends all dangers of being hacked.  Unless the hacker can land their hands on your autthenticator, you account cannot be stolen.

    Everyone is free to form their own opinions. But please refrain from passing opinion off as fact. There's enough honest misinformation floating around- none of us need the intentional kind.

    How am I passing opinion as a fact?  You know how it is possible to steal an account covered by an authenticator?  If not, it is you who throws up baseless fantasy around as it you know something I do not.

    Banks use the same key to protect online banking.  While theoretically it is still possible to randomly generate that code through brute force, is is well neigh impossible to do that within 30 seconds.  Prove your case or stop pretending I am proven wrong with anything solid.

    Very simple- my guildie of 3 years had an authenticator and practiced proper computer surfing protocols. His single case disproves your unbacked claim that 'ends all dangers' submits.

    Sidenote: I got a trojan horse from an internal email system from a .pdf file from a grad professor. Internal email. Through firewalls and adawares and virus checks... from a completely legit computer system to an equally legit computer system in an isolated circuit.

     

    You're online. No amount of 'protection' guarantees jack squat. Additionally, from a gaming company who promotes add-ons for UIs and the like, that authenticator isn't doing anything but giving you a warm and fuzzy.

    So, all that being said...

    You claimed you have a guildie that ....

    I also claim that jesus is sitting next to me enjoying your typing.

    Thank you for your story, I need to believe you, instead of the IT people I work with everyday.  Err, I also have a degree here too.  Oh yeah.  Your story is more convincing.

    Any solid investigation on how that hacking happened.  Your guildie told you.  You know him in person?  You know that the hacking did happen?  A single case disproves a general theory, if it is a relevant case which should be covered by the theory, but you do not have a case, you have a story.

    As for unbacked claims, go read up how an authenticator works, and what chances there are for a hacker to randomly generate that authenticator password within 30 seconds.  That is the "unbacked" claims.

    Once again thank you for your single case, of fantasy.

  • CavallCavall Member Posts: 272

    Originally posted by Li-Su

    Originally posted by Cavall

    Originally posted by bobbadud

     You stated you played WOW...

    "From Beta to last February" and this could be read as a reference to Feb 2010.

    But secondly, if you DID quit in Feb 2009, it would have been impossible to gather 2.000.000 Gold in TBC and the first 3 months of WotlK.

    As the inflation simply prohibited this kind of amount in TBC to be gathered by normal play.

    One person that did gather 1.000.000 Gold in Wotlk recently had a full article on wow.com devoted to him in May 2010  and the article mentioned he auctioned around 1500 items per day on the AH just to get to that amount in WotlK. Meaning the player was purely playing the present economical game in a straight single focused manner.

    And you did it all in TBC with ... half of the present day resources and inflation...and double the money.

    It makes your posts even more curious and making "the focus point" and "Blizzard restoring problems" even more questionable to anyone reading the complaints.

    I have no problem understanding you have a problem with Blizzard, I am just not convinced we see the correct and whole picture anyway.

     

    Actually, read tha article completely, he did 1 million in 6 months...at 40-60 minutes a DAY.

    With 5-6 years at say. 6 hours a day, he could have easily made 2million. WOW came out around 2004. Seems the newbies have little idea how old this game truly is.

    Edited for numerical typos.

    If I am Blizzard, I would hesitate to restore that account.

    The OP could easily be the hacker himself, hacking himself, selling the gold, and petitioning Blizz to restore the gold so he can sell again.  Hell, no.  I will take a lot of steps investigating the issue before even thinking of handing out 2 million gold to someone who could easily be the gold seller himself.

    I also noted that the user OP has deleted his account here.  Looks funny ehh?

    You're a little late to the party, the OP had had his account for over a year here. I'd delete my account too if someone would even suggest such a thing about me. You may want to consider some facts. Why would he even post here if he just wanted to scam Blizzard? Why would he even bother posting UPDATES on his status? Stop accusing the OP, who obviously was a good man, of being someone of..a Chinese goldseller's caliber.

    It's just not a good idea. If this were a newspaper article, you'd find yourself being sued right now for defamation and libel.

    Not that I probably wouldn't be in the same situation, but I suggest things about companies, not individuals. Also, 90% of the time those things I suggest are actually true and backed up by theory.

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  • pojungpojung Member Posts: 810

    Originally posted by Li-Su

    Originally posted by pojung

    Originally posted by Li-Su

    Originally posted by pojung

    Originally posted by Li-Su

    Authenticators ends all dangers of being hacked. Unless the hacker can land their hands on your autthenticator, you account cannot be stolen.

    Everyone is free to form their own opinions. But please refrain from passing opinion off as fact. There's enough honest misinformation floating around- none of us need the intentional kind.

    How am I passing opinion as a fact? You know how it is possible to steal an account covered by an authenticator? If not, it is you who throws up baseless fantasy around as it you know something I do not.

    Banks use the same key to protect online banking. While theoretically it is still possible to randomly generate that code through brute force, is is well neigh impossible to do that within 30 seconds. Prove your case or stop pretending I am proven wrong with anything solid.

    Very simple- my guildie of 3 years had an authenticator and practiced proper computer surfing protocols. His single case disproves your unbacked claim that 'ends all dangers' submits.

    Sidenote: I got a trojan horse from an internal email system from a .pdf file from a grad professor. Internal email. Through firewalls and adawares and virus checks... from a completely legit computer system to an equally legit computer system in an isolated circuit.

     

    You're online. No amount of 'protection' guarantees jack squat. Additionally, from a gaming company who promotes add-ons for UIs and the like, that authenticator isn't doing anything but giving you a warm and fuzzy.

    So, all that being said...

    You claimed you have a guildie that ....

    I also claim that jesus is sitting next to me enjoying your typing.

    Thank you for your story, I need to believe you, instead of the IT people I work with everyday. Err, I also have a degree here too. Oh yeah. Your story is more convincing.

    Any solid investigation on how that hacking happened. Your guildie told you. You know him in person? You know that the hacking did happen? A single case disproves a general theory, if it is a relevant case which should be covered by the theory, but you do not have a case, you have a story.

    As for unbacked claims, go read up how an authenticator works, and what chances there are for a hacker to randomly generate that authenticator password within 30 seconds. That is the "unbacked" claims.

    Once again thank you for your single case, of fantasy.

    Are you a troll? I'm beginning to believe so.

    You claim my story is unbacked- whatever you can do to poke holes in facts, please feel free to. And yet your claim that 'authenticator guarantees all' remains 'equally unbacked'.

    This guildie I've known for 4 years- my entire term of service in the armed forces. We started playing together a little under 3 years ago. We shared barracks living quarters. Yes, it happened. Are you going to poke holes in this too? Feel free.

    Ask 'your IT people' if an authenticator 'guarantees all' as you so explicitly claimed. You're obviously full of crap. The authenticator requires a precise combination that can be had outside of random generation OMGOSH. A hacker can acquire the same damn combination through routine identity theft scans.

    You're naive when it comes to protection online. That much you've shown thus far.

    That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
    We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
    So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
    - MMO_Doubter

  • XarruXarru Member Posts: 37

    Originally posted by Li-Su
    Authenticators ends all dangers of being hacked.  Unless the hacker can land their hands on your autthenticator, you account cannot be stolen.  Just a gentle reminder, if you lose your authenticator, all hell broke loose.

    That is not correct, authenticator doesn't guarantee you 100% protection from account being hacked.

    See this post on mmo-champion for more info:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/authenticator-accounts-hacked-icc-quests-crimson-deathcharger/

  • ChirugaiChirugai Member UncommonPosts: 304

    Locked due to personal attacks and off topic posting. 

    Fortune favours the bold.

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