I really disagree with calling it a clone of something, I mean, sure it has many of the same mechanics as other games but I wouldn't exactly call it a clone. Maybe kind of following in footsteps of those that came before, as a knowledge of what works and what doesn't. The thing is all these features or "gimmicks" if you want to call them that come together to make a game what it is. Just because things are added on to the tried and true mechanics of MMOs doesn't mean that people will get put off with it just like that. I think that the cover system will be a nice addition, look forward to using it with my agent.
It depends.
If you have ever played a game that is -not- a WoW clone, it's more apparent than ever when you -do- actually play a game that plays like WoW does.
But now, if you've experienced the tried and true mechanics before (multiple times even), are they going to have the same impact for you as when you experienced said mechanics for the first time? I don't think you can replicate the same feeling. It's like taking your second or third toon to cap on WoW or playing LOTRO or something else with tried and tested mechanics. It's just not the same anymore.
It's true, I have played a game that's a WoW clone, it's called WoW. I've played SWG during pre-CU, during the CU and about a month into the NGE before I realized they weren't going to fix the spazzy combat system that wasn't meant to be played on that engine. I've also played The Matrix (before SOE got hold of it and tore it up as well), FFXI (nice community, however it was a boring game to me, only grinding monsters isn't the way to go) and tried AO (the outdated graphics put me off, other than that a pretty solid game). Those were the major ones I played.
I admit that WoW is getting boring, I've quit two or three times since WoTLK. However, when I look at TOR, I don't get that vibe, I see a new game. I watch the videos everyday just about and have a screenshot of a sith juggernaut jumping into a group of jedi as my desktop wallpaper. I'm a big Star Wars fan, I'm a big Bioware fan (yes, I even like Jade Empire) and I like the things I've seen and heard so far. So it only seems to reason that I'm excited about this game the way I am.
I admit that WoW is getting boring, I've quit two or three times since WoTLK. However, when I look at TOR, I don't get that vibe, I see a new game. I watch the videos everyday just about and have a screenshot of a sith juggernaut jumping into a group of jedi as my desktop wallpaper. I'm a big Star Wars fan, I'm a big Bioware fan (yes, I even like Jade Empire) and I like the things I've seen and heard so far. So it only seems to reason that I'm excited about this game the way I am.
But you are still in a bad position because you've already gotten burned out on the WoW-tried and tested-mechanics.
I certainly hope that you won't be disappointed with TOR, but all I see is the same process happening again as with other past MMO's post-WoW. People are hyped about it like no tomorrow, then play it for a while, see that it's like WoW but only worse, and go back to Blizzard's lap.
Although right now it seems people have much more realistic expectations about the game than before. It can only be a good thing. It certainly didn't help Aion or the likes that they were thought as the second coming of Big J.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I admit that WoW is getting boring, I've quit two or three times since WoTLK. However, when I look at TOR, I don't get that vibe, I see a new game. I watch the videos everyday just about and have a screenshot of a sith juggernaut jumping into a group of jedi as my desktop wallpaper. I'm a big Star Wars fan, I'm a big Bioware fan (yes, I even like Jade Empire) and I like the things I've seen and heard so far. So it only seems to reason that I'm excited about this game the way I am.
But you are still in a bad position because you've already gotten burned out on the WoW-tried and tested-mechanics.
I certainly hope that you won't be disappointed with TOR, but all I see is the same process happening again as with other past MMO's post-WoW. People are hyped about it like no tomorrow, then play it for a while, see that it's like WoW but only worse, and go back to Blizzard's lap.
Although right now it seems people have much more realistic expectations about the game than before. It can only be a good thing. It certainly didn't help Aion or the likes that they were thought as the second coming of Big J.
If by mechanics you mean the tab target/toolbar/map ui interface that has proliferated everywhere.. I don't see that changing much until the next evolution of input devices for the PC comes along; I'm thinking motion sensing here..
Mapping 1 input key/click/button is pretty much as streamlined an interface into a game I can think of with the current offerings of input devices.
II'm not sick of those mechanics at all, I quite like them actually. The problem becomes piss poor implementation of said mechanics in the game, or just overall poor production quality of the game in general.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
If by mechanics you mean the tab target/toolbar/map ui interface that has proliferated everywhere.. I don't see that changing much until the next evolution of input devices for the PC comes along; I'm thinking motion sensing here..
No I don't mean those in particular.
Combat mechanics, crafting mechanics, progression mechanics, endgame mechanics, PvP mechanics, basically all the mechanics that themepark MMO's gameplay consists of.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
If by mechanics you mean the tab target/toolbar/map ui interface that has proliferated everywhere.. I don't see that changing much until the next evolution of input devices for the PC comes along; I'm thinking motion sensing here..
No I don't mean those in particular.
Combat mechanics, crafting mechanics, progression mechanics, endgame mechanics, PvP mechanics, basically all the mechanics that themepark MMO's gameplay consists of.
Aw man, you're playing the game now? Damn, I wish I could. These are in there for sure, but the systems and how they really work haven't been shown or discussed by them. Not all themeparks have to have the same systems in place, just those that work with how the overall game is designed. Combat mechanics look solid to me, saw some pvp and it looks pretty solid, as for the rest they've only so far assured us that they'll be in the game when it hits. I'm not too worried about them, I'll trust Bioware and have faith they'll have an engaging, immersive experience to each system in place.
We can't really know all the details we need to know about until we play, until then, some need to keep to themselves.
For saying any game is a WoW clone, someone needs to be shot, hung,beat to death and pulled through the streets. WOW IS NOT THE FIRST MMO! If you wanna get tech WoW is a clone of every other MMO before it, as any older gamer can tell you. None of its idea's are original they are all taken from some other game. And before anyone starts about how im a WoW hater, I played from beta up untill 3mths ago when they announced the new expansion class changes. So please, if you realy don't ike a game, give me a good reason not some WoW fanboi response.
Exactly. Some WoW players just can't stand the fact that WoW will no longer be the only good mmo on the block. They will have to share the spotlight with The Old Republic and some can't stand that. Let them squirm, whine and complain all they want. I find it quite amusing actually.
oh and 9??? Yup blizzards first MMO was pretty damn succesful...oh but w8...gimme other names...exceptions dont create rules
check GW2 the game is the most hyped and still no anti-popular comments on the way so maybe BW is doing something wrong...
dont give me the "oh youve played it already" shit ...we all seen the gameplay
fanboy trolling out!
now gimme some flametime
( I just had to:D ) , anyway Im looking forward to SWTOR, dont give me wrong - Im just being objective...
Still, I can't really get a good feeling of gameplay until I actually get into the game and experience it from that perspective, I don't know how everyone else feels about that subject. The videos are nice, yes, I just don't think anyone can really tell a lot from this point of view (just seeing not feeling). I hope that GW2 and FFXIV are successful too, it's just that I like Bioware and Star Wars the best out of the three I've been watching. I grew up on both Star Wars and Final Fantasy, but Star Wars seems to speak more volumes to me, might be because I'm into talking about other planets and life on them as well as advanced technology theories. Like I've been saying though, it's not really possible to get the whole experience until you're in the game experiencing it with the sight, sounds and feeling of the game.
I think people hates it beacuse when Bioware announced the games features every last hope for an evolving mmorpg genre died with it. It's the same story all over again. Call it WoW clone, call it EQ clone or just call it plain ol' same shit. No one in this bizznizz has the balls to totally think out of the box. Why no new combat system? Why can't we shoot holes in trees and hide inside them? Why not include features such as complex crafting and housing? I mean they can be optional, it wouldn't hurt if thery were there right?
Playing: ARMA 2 Waiting for: Darkfall: UW Played: Ultima Online, Age of Conan, Anarchy Online, Planetside, Dark age of Camelot, EQII, WoW, SWG, FFXI and a lot more
I love anything Bioware touches. Dragon Age is one of my favorite games of all time. I quit mmos months ago and still have no desire to go back. This being a Starwars and Bioware game has me curious about it. I have plenty of reason to give this game a chance and actually play it. I don't just mean looking at some preview videos and screenshots while doing some light reading. An MMO needs to launch and have some time to settle in after some heavy patching. Seeing someone review or pass judgement on a game well before it even launches is quite frustrating to me. Have you ever been on Direct2Drive(or any other similar website) and seen someone give a game 0/10 because it didn't run right away on Windows 7(even if its an older game)? Or rate it that low before it even comes out because of some anti-piracy measures its taking, and not even considering the game itself? It's the same kind of feeling.
I've not found an mmo that has lasted me as long as WoW. I quit WoW a short while after the first expansion and haven't looked back. I still consider it to be the most fun and solid mmo I've ever played but this is old news. If SWTOR does turn out to just be a WoW clone in space I'd welcome it. Give me a solid mainstream Star Wars game that has tons of money poured in it over some shitty grinder any day. I'm not trying to defend this game because honestly I haven't played it or even looked at it for very long. It could be terrible once it comes out. I just wanted to point out that Bioware makes awesome shit. I'm playing Starcraft 2 nonstop and I wasn't surprised because Blizzard also makes awesome shit. The day Valve makes an mmo I'll be the first subscriber.
The thing is though despite all of the careful work I do, all of the research I do, every ounce of mental and physical power I throw behind something; my superiors are ignorant fucks.
They're the type of people who'd look at all of my exhausted efforts, look at my citation list and go "clearly this idea is a QQQ-Clone".
The problem with MMORPGs isn't all of the community.
{ Mod Edit }
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
How in Gods name can anyone hate a Game that is not even Beta Testing yet?
No matter though...Most of the haters will be Playing from the start anyway...Then we'll see what happens...I'm guessing, like WOW, there will be plenty of Folks hating it while millions love it...
Pointing out the obvious here will get you nowhere, very good point.
I guess the "people" , is the OP and as for throwing the word hate around not really my scene to hate things too strong a term for a game.
See you in game Kyng Bills
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... every last hope for an evolving mmorpg genre died with it.
A bit melodramatic, no?
What amazes me is that whenever any new title gets announced, the sandboxy, bootstrappy, oldschooly contingent always assumes it will be the One True Game That WIll Save Us All, and then acts disappointed when it turns out to be more of the same. Why put yourself through that? Why not assume that it's going to be typical of the current state of the genre, then be pleasantly surprised if the stars align and someone convinces their publisher to buck the trend?
Anyway, the genre absolutely *IS* evolving. It's just evolving in a way you don't like. Publishers are looking to maximize cashflow. Expecting every single major property to cater to the old school values is... let's just say "don't bet the rent money".
I can also roleplay the tower in a chess game and shout "is that a peasant at the horizon I see? I will smash it I will! Oh damn I broke one of my merlons!". -- maji
After doing some research in other threads, I found out why people REALLY hate SWTOR. (To me it just seems ludacris)
1. It’s popular and it’s a mainstream title.
2. Because everyone on this forum hate’s all games that may do well.
3. The game is to, “instanced”.
4. It’s too much like a single player RPG.
5. Bioware is backed by EA.
6. Too much voice over and cinematic graphics.
7. The combat is too fast paced for an MMO.
8. The graphics are too, “cartoony”.
9. Bioware has never made an MMO they should stick to single player games.
10. It’s a WoW clone in space. (Gotta love the term, every game released post WoW has been dubbed, “WoW Clone”)
And there ya have it! So all of us following SWTOR need to suck it up and move o to the next big WoW clone ;-)
My Blog following SWTOR. No i'm not a fanboi, my motive is much more sinister.: http://swtormmo.org/?p=47
LOL.
You also forgot:
11. Bioware has one of the greatest names in the industry behind them - EA
12. Bioware also the other greatest name in the industry behind them - Lucas Arts
13. Bioware is using the most experienced talents in the industry to make the game - many from Sony Oline Entertainment.
14. Because story is one of the things we have all been looking for in an MMO...
15. ...And voice-acting is the other.
16. Bioware has squarely aimed this game at the core demographic in the industry - 8-16 year olds.
17. Bioware is creating a game that tells the story for you, setting you on a preset path, meeting preset characters and making preset choices.
18. Bioware is making sure you never get lost in an open world by having the game play out along pathways and platforms. But don't worry! Some of them will also be mazes!
19. Bioware will ensure you can focus on the real Star Wars story with no distractions like flight!
20. Bioware is making a real MMO, not an SPRPG online - there will be auction houses, mounts and crafting. WoW! I'm going to make my Sith Inquistor into the best chef on the server!
I think the biggest problem with SW:TOR is that people are focusing too much on what it is not instead of what it is.
Negatively or positively?
As Super stated, no negatives or positives. Just posts which aim to trash or focus on elements that are not in or confirmed which is ammuing but pointless excercise in trashing a game not even in Beta.
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I wasn't aware TOR was out already...that's the only reason there could be so much hate for a product after all.
Unconditional love is okay though, right?
Rashhero,
Spot on it isn't some people here just love to trash and hate for no other reason to try to get a rise out of people who are looking forward to SWTOR as designed by the developers. No what exists in the mionds of a petty few here who want SWTOR but designed to their specification.
Sadly the haters here do not seem to have $150 million in spare change to back up what they say(and I know it's the fabricated cost of the game that they themselves use so i will use it as well), so all they can do is trash talk here rather than enjoy the game as designed.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Its a little strange but a lot of people are posting, 'I wasn't aware Tor was out yet' as a put down for people that dislike the game. Yet the OP started this thread defending a game that wasn't out yet, putting down some rather stupid reasons why people hate the game. It seems a very strange argument that its ok to love or defend a game that isn't out yet but its not alright to dislike it.
And I think the points are equally there just to suggest that people that could dislike the game must be stupid or just filled with hate that they sit in the corner of a dark room venting till they have to post hate on the forums. Perhaps its true but it seems unlikely.
The thing people seem to dislike about ToR firstly is the over hyping of it, sure its Biowares right to market the game as they see fit. But much like having to listen to someone telling you how great something you can't experience is the community has a right not to find such marketing fun or enjoyable. Imagine constantly telling a blind person how great it is to see, yeah thats a little extreme but you get the idea. On a lesser point its like when your mates tell you they are having a great time while you are stuck at work. They maybe having a great time but you don't need to hear about it.
And the second reason maybe for the MMO fans out there, BW have said they will be adding story to the MMO but they will not be re-inventing or innovating. So here we have the biggest budget MMO around and all we will see is more of the same. No doubt with great polish and wonderful packaging, the combat will no doubt look nice, the UI will be intunative and the game will play well. But after 150 mil its likely to have taken the best bits from current MMO's and looked to polish them up and make them look nice. Now obviosuly thats the way EA want to go with their 150 mil investment it makes sence, they need 2 million subs to make a profit and only one game out there is that sucessful so best to be like them. But if ToR is sucessful and smart money is on that it will be, suddenly the 2 biggest MMO's on the market will have used the same forumal. It could well encourage future investors to opt out of innovotive MMO's offering something different and instead stick to the standard MMO model, often refered to as a WoW clone cause its part of popular culture. When Lucas was asked about ToR he as asked if it was like World of Warcraft and he said yes. Its an easy reference that everyone gets that its standard point and click with hot bar options and auto aiming. And so its a shame with that level of investiment they couldn't have gone to the next level rather than take whats out their and polish it up and add VO to it.
Its a little strange but a lot of people are posting, 'I wasn't aware Tor was out yet' as a put down for people that dislike the game. Yet the OP started this thread defending a game that wasn't out yet, putting down some rather stupid reasons why people hate the game. It seems a very strange argument that its ok to love or defend a game that isn't out yet but its not alright to dislike it.
Well.. you have half the people arguing correctly, and half arguing incorrectly.
Half of us are using the detailed info that BioWare has released, along with the assurances (sans details) that other MMO features will be in this game, and argue the fact that with 1 year to go to release, things are on the right track and see no reason to throw up red flags of caution. A very sound argument.
The other half are using the detailed info that BioWare has released, while disregarding the assurances from BioWare that other MMO features will be in the game, speculating on how bad the game will be with the lack of said features, and starting threads every 5 minutes with their definitive proof that the game will fail. It is a stupid argument, that only stupid people make, and is nothing but baiting/trolling.
So really, it's the forum mods we can blame for doing a piss poor job of keeping the bait threads under control.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
People hate it because they think this game is some kind of treath to they bloved mmo's. There are people who love warcraft, warhammer or other IP's but STAR WARS is the biggest of them all, maybe it's causing some kind of itch on those people. But i don't care, the SWTOR and BIOWARE fans just want this to be a great game. This is pretty simple, if the game is really good all the haters will try the game at some point.
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It's true, I have played a game that's a WoW clone, it's called WoW. I've played SWG during pre-CU, during the CU and about a month into the NGE before I realized they weren't going to fix the spazzy combat system that wasn't meant to be played on that engine. I've also played The Matrix (before SOE got hold of it and tore it up as well), FFXI (nice community, however it was a boring game to me, only grinding monsters isn't the way to go) and tried AO (the outdated graphics put me off, other than that a pretty solid game). Those were the major ones I played.
I admit that WoW is getting boring, I've quit two or three times since WoTLK. However, when I look at TOR, I don't get that vibe, I see a new game. I watch the videos everyday just about and have a screenshot of a sith juggernaut jumping into a group of jedi as my desktop wallpaper. I'm a big Star Wars fan, I'm a big Bioware fan (yes, I even like Jade Empire) and I like the things I've seen and heard so far. So it only seems to reason that I'm excited about this game the way I am.
But you are still in a bad position because you've already gotten burned out on the WoW-tried and tested-mechanics.
I certainly hope that you won't be disappointed with TOR, but all I see is the same process happening again as with other past MMO's post-WoW. People are hyped about it like no tomorrow, then play it for a while, see that it's like WoW but only worse, and go back to Blizzard's lap.
Although right now it seems people have much more realistic expectations about the game than before. It can only be a good thing. It certainly didn't help Aion or the likes that they were thought as the second coming of Big J.
If by mechanics you mean the tab target/toolbar/map ui interface that has proliferated everywhere.. I don't see that changing much until the next evolution of input devices for the PC comes along; I'm thinking motion sensing here..
Mapping 1 input key/click/button is pretty much as streamlined an interface into a game I can think of with the current offerings of input devices.
II'm not sick of those mechanics at all, I quite like them actually. The problem becomes piss poor implementation of said mechanics in the game, or just overall poor production quality of the game in general.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
No I don't mean those in particular.
Combat mechanics, crafting mechanics, progression mechanics, endgame mechanics, PvP mechanics, basically all the mechanics that themepark MMO's gameplay consists of.
Aw man, you're playing the game now? Damn, I wish I could. These are in there for sure, but the systems and how they really work haven't been shown or discussed by them. Not all themeparks have to have the same systems in place, just those that work with how the overall game is designed. Combat mechanics look solid to me, saw some pvp and it looks pretty solid, as for the rest they've only so far assured us that they'll be in the game when it hits. I'm not too worried about them, I'll trust Bioware and have faith they'll have an engaging, immersive experience to each system in place.
We can't really know all the details we need to know about until we play, until then, some need to keep to themselves.
Exactly. Some WoW players just can't stand the fact that WoW will no longer be the only good mmo on the block. They will have to share the spotlight with The Old Republic and some can't stand that. Let them squirm, whine and complain all they want. I find it quite amusing actually.
8 10 ...others just fanboy excuses...
oh and 9??? Yup blizzards first MMO was pretty damn succesful...oh but w8...gimme other names...exceptions dont create rules
check GW2 the game is the most hyped and still no anti-popular comments on the way so maybe BW is doing something wrong...
dont give me the "oh youve played it already" shit ...we all seen the gameplay
fanboy trolling out!
now gimme some flametime
( I just had to:D ) , anyway Im looking forward to SWTOR, dont get me wrong - Im just being objective...
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Still, I can't really get a good feeling of gameplay until I actually get into the game and experience it from that perspective, I don't know how everyone else feels about that subject. The videos are nice, yes, I just don't think anyone can really tell a lot from this point of view (just seeing not feeling). I hope that GW2 and FFXIV are successful too, it's just that I like Bioware and Star Wars the best out of the three I've been watching. I grew up on both Star Wars and Final Fantasy, but Star Wars seems to speak more volumes to me, might be because I'm into talking about other planets and life on them as well as advanced technology theories. Like I've been saying though, it's not really possible to get the whole experience until you're in the game experiencing it with the sight, sounds and feeling of the game.
I think people hates it beacuse when Bioware announced the games features every last hope for an evolving mmorpg genre died with it. It's the same story all over again. Call it WoW clone, call it EQ clone or just call it plain ol' same shit. No one in this bizznizz has the balls to totally think out of the box. Why no new combat system? Why can't we shoot holes in trees and hide inside them? Why not include features such as complex crafting and housing? I mean they can be optional, it wouldn't hurt if thery were there right?
Playing: ARMA 2
Waiting for: Darkfall: UW
Played: Ultima Online, Age of Conan, Anarchy Online, Planetside, Dark age of Camelot, EQII, WoW, SWG, FFXI and a lot more
I love anything Bioware touches. Dragon Age is one of my favorite games of all time. I quit mmos months ago and still have no desire to go back. This being a Starwars and Bioware game has me curious about it. I have plenty of reason to give this game a chance and actually play it. I don't just mean looking at some preview videos and screenshots while doing some light reading. An MMO needs to launch and have some time to settle in after some heavy patching. Seeing someone review or pass judgement on a game well before it even launches is quite frustrating to me. Have you ever been on Direct2Drive(or any other similar website) and seen someone give a game 0/10 because it didn't run right away on Windows 7(even if its an older game)? Or rate it that low before it even comes out because of some anti-piracy measures its taking, and not even considering the game itself? It's the same kind of feeling.
I've not found an mmo that has lasted me as long as WoW. I quit WoW a short while after the first expansion and haven't looked back. I still consider it to be the most fun and solid mmo I've ever played but this is old news. If SWTOR does turn out to just be a WoW clone in space I'd welcome it. Give me a solid mainstream Star Wars game that has tons of money poured in it over some shitty grinder any day. I'm not trying to defend this game because honestly I haven't played it or even looked at it for very long. It could be terrible once it comes out. I just wanted to point out that Bioware makes awesome shit. I'm playing Starcraft 2 nonstop and I wasn't surprised because Blizzard also makes awesome shit. The day Valve makes an mmo I'll be the first subscriber.
I deal with really complex crap daily.
The thing is though despite all of the careful work I do, all of the research I do, every ounce of mental and physical power I throw behind something; my superiors are ignorant fucks.
They're the type of people who'd look at all of my exhausted efforts, look at my citation list and go "clearly this idea is a QQQ-Clone".
The problem with MMORPGs isn't all of the community.
{ Mod Edit }
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
Pointing out the obvious here will get you nowhere, very good point.
I guess the "people" , is the OP and as for throwing the word hate around not really my scene to hate things too strong a term for a game.
See you in game Kyng Bills
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
A bit melodramatic, no?
What amazes me is that whenever any new title gets announced, the sandboxy, bootstrappy, oldschooly contingent always assumes it will be the One True Game That WIll Save Us All, and then acts disappointed when it turns out to be more of the same. Why put yourself through that? Why not assume that it's going to be typical of the current state of the genre, then be pleasantly surprised if the stars align and someone convinces their publisher to buck the trend?
Anyway, the genre absolutely *IS* evolving. It's just evolving in a way you don't like. Publishers are looking to maximize cashflow. Expecting every single major property to cater to the old school values is... let's just say "don't bet the rent money".
I can also roleplay the tower in a chess game and shout "is that a peasant at the horizon I see? I will smash it I will! Oh damn I broke one of my merlons!". -- maji
LOL.
You also forgot:
11. Bioware has one of the greatest names in the industry behind them - EA
12. Bioware also the other greatest name in the industry behind them - Lucas Arts
13. Bioware is using the most experienced talents in the industry to make the game - many from Sony Oline Entertainment.
14. Because story is one of the things we have all been looking for in an MMO...
15. ...And voice-acting is the other.
16. Bioware has squarely aimed this game at the core demographic in the industry - 8-16 year olds.
17. Bioware is creating a game that tells the story for you, setting you on a preset path, meeting preset characters and making preset choices.
18. Bioware is making sure you never get lost in an open world by having the game play out along pathways and platforms. But don't worry! Some of them will also be mazes!
19. Bioware will ensure you can focus on the real Star Wars story with no distractions like flight!
20. Bioware is making a real MMO, not an SPRPG online - there will be auction houses, mounts and crafting. WoW! I'm going to make my Sith Inquistor into the best chef on the server!
I wasn't aware TOR was out already...that's the only reason there could be so much hate for a product after all.
Unconditional love is okay though, right?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I see what you did there, Safety. I thought you had gone nuts for a minute - or someone had hacked your account.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Not feeling so great about the overstretched hype. Bleeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuurgh.
As Super stated, no negatives or positives. Just posts which aim to trash or focus on elements that are not in or confirmed which is ammuing but pointless excercise in trashing a game not even in Beta.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Totally crap, but I couldnt care less if you play or not tbh. And the game aint out yet. So your opinions are about 1 year to early.
Rashhero,
Spot on it isn't some people here just love to trash and hate for no other reason to try to get a rise out of people who are looking forward to SWTOR as designed by the developers. No what exists in the mionds of a petty few here who want SWTOR but designed to their specification.
Sadly the haters here do not seem to have $150 million in spare change to back up what they say(and I know it's the fabricated cost of the game that they themselves use so i will use it as well), so all they can do is trash talk here rather than enjoy the game as designed.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
You need to change your title to top ten reasons the lunatic fringe hates SW:TOR
Its a little strange but a lot of people are posting, 'I wasn't aware Tor was out yet' as a put down for people that dislike the game. Yet the OP started this thread defending a game that wasn't out yet, putting down some rather stupid reasons why people hate the game. It seems a very strange argument that its ok to love or defend a game that isn't out yet but its not alright to dislike it.
And I think the points are equally there just to suggest that people that could dislike the game must be stupid or just filled with hate that they sit in the corner of a dark room venting till they have to post hate on the forums. Perhaps its true but it seems unlikely.
The thing people seem to dislike about ToR firstly is the over hyping of it, sure its Biowares right to market the game as they see fit. But much like having to listen to someone telling you how great something you can't experience is the community has a right not to find such marketing fun or enjoyable. Imagine constantly telling a blind person how great it is to see, yeah thats a little extreme but you get the idea. On a lesser point its like when your mates tell you they are having a great time while you are stuck at work. They maybe having a great time but you don't need to hear about it.
And the second reason maybe for the MMO fans out there, BW have said they will be adding story to the MMO but they will not be re-inventing or innovating. So here we have the biggest budget MMO around and all we will see is more of the same. No doubt with great polish and wonderful packaging, the combat will no doubt look nice, the UI will be intunative and the game will play well. But after 150 mil its likely to have taken the best bits from current MMO's and looked to polish them up and make them look nice. Now obviosuly thats the way EA want to go with their 150 mil investment it makes sence, they need 2 million subs to make a profit and only one game out there is that sucessful so best to be like them. But if ToR is sucessful and smart money is on that it will be, suddenly the 2 biggest MMO's on the market will have used the same forumal. It could well encourage future investors to opt out of innovotive MMO's offering something different and instead stick to the standard MMO model, often refered to as a WoW clone cause its part of popular culture. When Lucas was asked about ToR he as asked if it was like World of Warcraft and he said yes. Its an easy reference that everyone gets that its standard point and click with hot bar options and auto aiming. And so its a shame with that level of investiment they couldn't have gone to the next level rather than take whats out their and polish it up and add VO to it.
Well.. you have half the people arguing correctly, and half arguing incorrectly.
Half of us are using the detailed info that BioWare has released, along with the assurances (sans details) that other MMO features will be in this game, and argue the fact that with 1 year to go to release, things are on the right track and see no reason to throw up red flags of caution. A very sound argument.
The other half are using the detailed info that BioWare has released, while disregarding the assurances from BioWare that other MMO features will be in the game, speculating on how bad the game will be with the lack of said features, and starting threads every 5 minutes with their definitive proof that the game will fail. It is a stupid argument, that only stupid people make, and is nothing but baiting/trolling.
So really, it's the forum mods we can blame for doing a piss poor job of keeping the bait threads under control.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
People hate it because they think this game is some kind of treath to they bloved mmo's. There are people who love warcraft, warhammer or other IP's but STAR WARS is the biggest of them all, maybe it's causing some kind of itch on those people. But i don't care, the SWTOR and BIOWARE fans just want this to be a great game. This is pretty simple, if the game is really good all the haters will try the game at some point.