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The Day the Gaming Industry Died: Impressions from E3 2010

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  • brostynbrostyn Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,092

    Not seeing why this is in the Pub instead of general gaming forum.

     

    There is virtually no info on MMOs. Technology is a good thing.

  • TheNitewolfTheNitewolf Member Posts: 102

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by Trobon

    Wow what a dumb article. But then again, this is why I rarely read Cracked any more.

    Uh huh.

    Now show me where he's wrong.

    For starters by claiming it's the biggest event that will show the games of the next 12 months. E3 has a lot less ppl attending than pax or gamescon. Which is because of reason #2: it's a show by suits for suits, nothing of it is for the gamers. They are, you know, not allowed in there. So  the suits show other suits what fancy stuff they can do. It's a bit of a shame media actually bothers to talk about it after the initiators successfully drove that event into the wall a few years ago.

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  • towanitowani Member Posts: 114

    Originally posted by arcdevil

     

    looks like the industry is ready for another cleanse

     

    obviously after this a lot of suits are gonna get fired, lets hope they get replaced by younger suits with half an idea of what gaming is, and haven been lobotomized yet

    I have to agree.  Cleanse it! 

    I jumped onboard the Wii Wagon early on, and the dumb thing has sat IN MY KIDS ROOM untouched for over a year.  EXCEPT, to watch Netflix movies.  It's become a glorified on-line streaming medium in our house. 

    My PS3 I bought as a Blu Ray, that's still all I use it for.  Movies. 

    I was never excited for Xbox, although if they presented something cool, I could get excited.  But, for me, it seemed that Wii remotes for the PS3 and the Kinetic thing are the wave of the next few years for consoles.  Count me out.

    I love my PC.  I play all the games on it that I'm interested in.  Key board and mouse!  It can play games, movies, chat services, stream, Steam, and all simutaniously.  (I have spent a lot of money on it, but it would be the same if I bought a Wii, XBox and PS3, and a hi-def TV). 

    Sorry, I digress. 

    Anyhow, nothing made me really excited at E3.  I'm a BFBC2 fan, so I was excited about the Vietnam xpac, but other than that, pass.

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  • SnarlingWolfSnarlingWolf Member Posts: 2,697

    There are so many false connection in this article it is sad to see people latch on to it.

     

    "People stop playing games long before the new ones come out." Yes that explains both XFire and Steams top played games lists, they're all new games that ....... oh wait they're all older games. CS is still one of the most played games on the planet, and it came out while I was in high school, I'm now 29. Warcraft is still the most played MMO, that alone breaks your 5 year rule doesn't it? Starcraft is still huge overseas, that also came out while I was in high school.

     

    You say that XBox showing all the things it can do that isn't gaming is another reason you think gaming is dead? Well open your eyes and notice that Playstations massive ad campaign they started to roll out a year ago was how the Playstation was good for everything. That ad campaign has done well for Sony, so XBox is using that same marketting to show the XBox can do everything too.

     

    You think the Wii was the best selling console because of a "gimmick". But you forgot two things. First is that the Wii focused on casual gaming. Never before had casual gamers considered buying a console, they were expensive and were focused on serious gaming. All those house moms that played bejeweled and chatted on the internet found a console that actually looked fun to them, and parents saw a console that had safe games the family could play together. Wii tapped into a market that consoles had never touched, and as such it did fantastic. The other more important point you missed is how gamers have been saying for a decade or longer that they want to be able to interact with their games more, Wii provided that.

     

    Being that the Wii has done so well and has such a huge audience, and that both XBox and Playstation are getting closer to finally releasing their Wii like controlers, naturally the marketting it going to be about that. Which means at E3 Xbox is going to focus on it's highly invested new product and the games that go with it. It doesn't mean that's all their focusing on or making, it means that the production cycle on it is almost finished and they need to start marketting it heavily so that everyone knows it exists.

     

     

    Basically this article decided what the answer was, and then wrote the article to prove it. It didn't take in all the information and then find the correlations, it made the article self fullfilling, which is the worst (and sadest) type of writing that can be found.

  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Member CommonPosts: 3,586

    Originally posted by SwampRob

    What a terrible article.    Such idiotic statements and conclusions.    This one in particular was laughably bad: "The problem is that video game players simply won't keep playing without a new gimmick every five years or so."    Yeah, right.   I've been playing since before the Atari 2600 came out in the 70s, and until carpal tunnel or arithritis forces me to stop, I've no intention of doing so.   I guess I'm the only one....

    A lot of these "gimmicks", especially allowing devices like xbox do other things are put in with one goal in mind:  to attact new business.   If you are a gamer like most on this site, you buy such things to play games on.   If you're not, they (the industry) needs to offer something new to attract customers who wouldn't otherwise buy their product.

    Me thinks you're forgetting the crash of 1983.

    there were many reasons for this, but the main problem was that we had been playing on the same system for entirely too long. The industry didn't really recover until 1986 when the NES was released.

    Given, video games didn't disappear completely. They just moved onto the home computers of the time: Comodore 64, Atari 400/800 XL, TI 99, etc. But the market was significantly reduced.

    the reality is that dedicated, life-long video gamers are a shrinking minority. Just about anyone that was alive during the 70's and 80's has played a video game at some point. Most of those people moved on to other things. They moved on right about the time that video games became life devouring time sinks rather than entertaining novelities. I know because I was an arcade gamer right up to 1994 when the fighting game scene died and arcades went the way of the buffalo. Fighting games just served to reduce the number of people in the arcades because only the truely dedicated would take the time to learn the games and suffer the endless defeat required to hold their own in the public arena. Console and PC games have been in that same zone for awhile now.

    You wanna know why the industry got to the size that it did? It's because the last generation of teenagers was an order of magnitude larger than the generation of baby boomers. It was, and still is, the largest population of teens in the history of the US. Teens have disposable income, tons of time and a fetish for everything new and shiney. Video games are a novelty and there are new novelties that have the current generation's attention. The bubble has burst and gaming is about to go back underground for awhile. Just like it did between 1983 and 1987.

  • Rockgod99Rockgod99 Member Posts: 4,640

    Better get used to it.

    Motion control & 3D  just extended this console generation another five years.

    Wont see a new console until 2015 at the earliest.

    If people don't start buying more hardware & software it could be extended ten years!

    Honestly I wouldn't mind graphics are already awesome as is. It's come to the point were evolution is no longer in graphics but in player/software interaction.

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  • RydranRydran Member UncommonPosts: 40

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

    Originally posted by SwampRob

    What a terrible article.    Such idiotic statements and conclusions.    This one in particular was laughably bad: "The problem is that video game players simply won't keep playing without a new gimmick every five years or so."    Yeah, right.   I've been playing since before the Atari 2600 came out in the 70s, and until carpal tunnel or arithritis forces me to stop, I've no intention of doing so.   I guess I'm the only one....

    A lot of these "gimmicks", especially allowing devices like xbox do other things are put in with one goal in mind:  to attact new business.   If you are a gamer like most on this site, you buy such things to play games on.   If you're not, they (the industry) needs to offer something new to attract customers who wouldn't otherwise buy their product.

    Me thinks you're forgetting the crash of 1983.

    there were many reasons for this, but the main problem was that we had been playing on the same system for entirely too long. The industry didn't really recover until 1986 when the NES was released.

    Given, video games didn't disappear completely. They just moved onto the home computers of the time: Comodore 64, Atari 400/800 XL, TI 99, etc. But the market was significantly reduced.

    the reality is that dedicated, life-long video gamers are a shrinking minority. Just about anyone that was alive during the 70's and 80's has played a video game at some point. Most of those people moved on to other things. They moved on right about the time that video games became life devouring time sinks rather than entertaining novelities. I know because I was an arcade gamer right up to 1994 when the fighting game scene died and arcades went the way of the buffalo. Fighting games just served to reduce the number of people in the arcades because only the truely dedicated would take the time to learn the games and suffer the endless defeat required to hold their own in the public arena. Console and PC games have been in that same zone for awhile now.

    You wanna know why the industry got to the size that it did? It's because the last generation of teenagers was an order of magnitude larger than the generation of baby boomers. It was, and still is, the largest population of teens in the history of the US. Teens have disposable income, tons of time and a fetish for everything new and shiney. Video games are a novelty and there are new novelties that have the current generation's attention. The bubble has burst and gaming is about to go back underground for awhile. Just like it did between 1983 and 1987.

     

    I don' believe this for one minute. I have been gaming since I could hold a controller (Almost 25 years) and I see more gamers today then when any system in the 80-90s launched. Gaming is not dying or even going undergound. Look at all the people that play MMO's. I rememebr when MMO's had no more then 80-100k people on them if they were lucky and they survived for years. No every no brained troll screams that (insert game name here) that doesn't have 5 million plus subs is dead. come one guys grow up. The gaming industry is bigger then ever and just because its changing doesn't mean its going to die.

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527

    Tbh, I still play Atari, and old school Nintendo games and multitudes of old console platforms, I don't need to be babied or coddle every 5 years with a new console for people that do it's pretty shallow, even though I own a Wii cause of my daughter I don't ever play it due to the fact I don't play games to excerise , and reading this article makes me not even want to touch the Wii ever , just not my definition of fun. I don't need eye candy graphics and gimmicks to keep me playing games, Ive been doing it for over 25 years, and to this day on my PC I still play the very first Ultima, people just get more unsatisifed with their lives everyday looking for new trends to keep them from going insane.


  • Moaky07Moaky07 Member Posts: 2,096

    Originally posted by Rockgod99

    Better get used to it.

    Motion control & 3D  just extended this console generation another five years.

    Wont see a new console until 2015 at the earliest.

    If people don't start buying more hardware & software it could be extended ten years!

    Honestly I wouldn't mind graphics are already awesome as is. It's come to the point were evolution is no longer in graphics but in player/software interaction.

     I agree with Rockgod.

     

    When I left MMOs in 06, I went back to console gaming for the first time in about 10 yrs. I am playing on 360 now, and have gone thru a number of games I enjoyed.

     

    I like the 360 especially when it comes to the graphics side. I have my 2 360s hooked up to a 61'  LCD,and a 32' LCD TV.  Both have 1080p capability, and both look REALLY nice when gaming.

     

    I would think PS3 could hold out longer, and I see no reason 360 couldnt hold out for a minimum of 3 to 4 more yrs....with 5 not out of the question.

     

    Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  • madeuxmadeux Member Posts: 1,786

    Originally posted by Moaky07

    Originally posted by Rockgod99

    Better get used to it.

    Motion control & 3D  just extended this console generation another five years.

    Wont see a new console until 2015 at the earliest.

    If people don't start buying more hardware & software it could be extended ten years!

    Honestly I wouldn't mind graphics are already awesome as is. It's come to the point were evolution is no longer in graphics but in player/software interaction.

     I agree with Rockgod.

     

    When I left MMOs in 06, I went back to console gaming for the first time in about 10 yrs. I am playing on 360 now, and have gone thru a number of games I enjoyed.

     

    I like the 360 especially when it comes to the graphics side. I have my 2 360s hooked up to a 61'  LCD,and a 32' LCD TV.  Both have 1080p capability, and both look REALLY nice when gaming.

     

    I would think PS3 could hold out longer, and I see no reason 360 couldnt hold out for a minimum of 3 to 4 more yrs....with 5 not out of the question.

     

    ONLIVE.com will be the end of the consoles.  Seriously.

  • QazzQazz Member Posts: 577

    I would like to offer my condolances to Mr. Gaming Industry.  First of all, I never realized you were just one person. Secondly, I didn't realize your weakness was a dancing nerd.  Farewell.

  • calranthecalranthe Member UncommonPosts: 359

    Give it a break, every couple of years an idiot comes along saying the console market is dead or the pc market is dead or guess what omg the mmo market is dead ?

     

    Guess what ?

    We are still here!

     

    Hardcore games are STILL getting made, mmo's are still getting made, better ideas and inovation like Swtor and GW2 make me happy.

    I admit sadly i'm a graphics whore :), i have a nice pc connected to a 24" widescreen monitor. I stopped playing city of heroes not because they stopped bringing out new storylines or ideas because they did, I stopped because the character models look damn ugly.

     

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    Originally posted by madeux

    Originally posted by Moaky07


    Originally posted by Rockgod99

    Better get used to it.

    Motion control & 3D  just extended this console generation another five years.

    Wont see a new console until 2015 at the earliest.

    If people don't start buying more hardware & software it could be extended ten years!

    Honestly I wouldn't mind graphics are already awesome as is. It's come to the point were evolution is no longer in graphics but in player/software interaction.

     I agree with Rockgod.

     

    When I left MMOs in 06, I went back to console gaming for the first time in about 10 yrs. I am playing on 360 now, and have gone thru a number of games I enjoyed.

     

    I like the 360 especially when it comes to the graphics side. I have my 2 360s hooked up to a 61'  LCD,and a 32' LCD TV.  Both have 1080p capability, and both look REALLY nice when gaming.

     

    I would think PS3 could hold out longer, and I see no reason 360 couldnt hold out for a minimum of 3 to 4 more yrs....with 5 not out of the question.

     

    ONLIVE.com will be the end of the consoles.  Seriously.

    No, it won't. People like to own their games and play them whenever they want. Seriously.

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  • HYPERI0NHYPERI0N Member Posts: 3,515

    Anyone notice the 3D DS that does not need glasses?

     

    An interesting idea.

    Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  • EdliEdli Member Posts: 941

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by madeux


    Originally posted by Moaky07


    Originally posted by Rockgod99

    Better get used to it.

    Motion control & 3D  just extended this console generation another five years.

    Wont see a new console until 2015 at the earliest.

    If people don't start buying more hardware & software it could be extended ten years!

    Honestly I wouldn't mind graphics are already awesome as is. It's come to the point were evolution is no longer in graphics but in player/software interaction.

     I agree with Rockgod.

     

    When I left MMOs in 06, I went back to console gaming for the first time in about 10 yrs. I am playing on 360 now, and have gone thru a number of games I enjoyed.

     

    I like the 360 especially when it comes to the graphics side. I have my 2 360s hooked up to a 61'  LCD,and a 32' LCD TV.  Both have 1080p capability, and both look REALLY nice when gaming.

     

    I would think PS3 could hold out longer, and I see no reason 360 couldnt hold out for a minimum of 3 to 4 more yrs....with 5 not out of the question.

     

    ONLIVE.com will be the end of the consoles.  Seriously.

    No, it won't. People like to own their games and play them whenever they want. Seriously.

     

    Not really. The majority of the games I played, I finished em only once. I do see onlive or something similar as the future. I hate it that the games are fragmented in all these different consoles.

  • noji1024noji1024 Member Posts: 6

    At OP

     

    Are you a retard? Just because your post is formatted all pretty with fancy Gifs doesnt mean you have any clue to what you are saying.

     

    Microsoft has lost money because thats what it takes when you jump right into the industry and try to make a name for yourself. The only reason this kinect device is even hitting the market is flat out because of the Wii's popularity.  DId you expect to be playing GoW 3 with this stupid device. If you did then you apparently can't fathom the fact that it would be very difficult and above that akward and annoying to even want to.

     

    Also the kinnect is comming with the new 360 concoles is what i heard. WHy would they charge people extra to steal them away from the Wii. If you already have a 360 then i would expect you could buy one seperate. Most people using the kinect will be doing so with a console purchase as well because they dont have a 360.

     

    Your trolling post is a B+ at best. Don't quit your day job.

     

    P.S. The video game industry died for the PC around the time the 360 and PS3 were released and the console gamming industry died after the Wii's popularity peaked. Social networking games like farmtown and the like have taken the killing further in the last 3 years.

     

    I can't help but say once again you are retarded. This industry has been a lame horse for about 5 + years now WAKE UP moron.....................

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    Originally posted by noji1024

    At OP

     

    Are you a retard? Just because your post is formatted all pretty with fancy Gifs doesnt mean you have any clue to what you are saying.

     

    Microsoft has lost money because thats what it takes when you jump right into the industry and try to make a name for yourself. The only reason this kinect device is even hitting the market is flat out because of the Wii's popularity.  DId you expect to be playing GoW 3 with this stupid device. If you did then you apparently can't fathom the fact that it would be very difficult and above that akward and annoying to even want to.

     

    Also the kinnect is comming with the new 360 concoles is what i heard. WHy would they charge people extra to steal them away from the Wii. If you already have a 360 then i would expect you could buy one seperate. Most people using the kinect will be doing so with a console purchase as well because they dont have a 360.

     

    Your trolling post is a B+ at best. Don't quit your day job.

     

    P.S. The video game industry died for the PC around the time the 360 and PS3 were released and the console gamming industry died after the Wii's popularity peaked. Social networking games like farmtown and the like have taken the killing further in the last 3 years.

     

    I can't help but say once again you are retarded. This industry has been a lame horse for about 5 + years now WAKE UP moron.....................

    Okay, so I'm a retard and a moron, yet I'm not the one with too few braincells to realize I was merely posting another persons article for discussion. And PC gaming died when consoles were released? When at least 90% of all console games are also on the PC? As well as there being plenty of new games on the PC that will never see any of the consoles and I'm not just talking about mmos?  I think we can see who the REAL troll here is.

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  • noji1024noji1024 Member Posts: 6

    The fact that you posted this article, one might assume you share the same view

     

    Computer gamming died when Console's came "online" and when they began showing nearly the same amount of processing power as your  average gamming computer at 1/3 of the cost. AKA "360 and PS3"

     

    90% of the games that are on console are NOT on PCs plain and simple go to any gamestop or EB and take a look in the PC section then look at the sonsole section.......if you have never been sad about the PC gamming industry you will be.

     

    The fact of the matter is that you and the wrtier of the article are bashing the 360. Most importantly your doing it on a forum that has nothing to do with console gamming, about a product that most of the people here will never buy.

  • MehveMehve Member Posts: 487

    I think we're all missing the REAL point here: The ero-game industry is clearly poised to make some landmark breakthroughs in the years to come.

    A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
    That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.

  • noji1024noji1024 Member Posts: 6

    I understand I may have came off abit harsh. I had a headache at the time.

     

    Between the lack of innovation from the industry and people complaing about LOTRO going with a FTP hybrid model i've been alittle agitated.

    Exscuse my attitude.

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690

    Compared to what the gaming industry 20 years ago this is a vast improvement believe it or not. I remember when pc games were really non existant and all we had were consoles such as the atari 2600 and intellivision. PC games were like move the green glowing dot on the scrteen with your number pad arrows.  Appreciate what you have now! :)

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  • insanexinsanex Member Posts: 145

    I think it's funny how many posts are in reply to an article that is clearly intended to be tongue-in-cheek. Come on guys. Get over yourself. The article on Cracked is not serious. They are taking the more humorous aspects of E3, applying a bit of comedy, and making fun of the game industry. I think it's hilarious. 

    How about you guys have this kind of conviction with stuff that matters? They're just games. When you die, it won't matter how many consoles you had in 2010. It won't matter that DNF finally came out and you stood in line to buy it. The people that love you won't care about games. Cracked simply made a "crack" about E3 and mocked the seriousness of an entire freaking convention about nothing but entertainment. Lol. 

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  • noji1024noji1024 Member Posts: 6

    Im down with that, but the industry is already a joke. Im just tired of all the complaining going on.

  • BrakedancerBrakedancer Member Posts: 59

    Personally, I'm hoping that Indie development kits like Unity and back-ends like Badumna usher in a new golden age of indie games. The AAA games industry as it is is a complete joke, with no redeeming features, and that article was a good example of how and why. Games are an entertainment industry, yet they're no longer about having fun. How the fuck do you have an entertainment industry that doesn't actually revolve around entertaining people?

  • SilverchildSilverchild Member UncommonPosts: 118

    Originally posted by towani

    I jumped onboard the Wii Wagon early on, and the dumb thing has sat IN MY KIDS ROOM untouched for over a year.  EXCEPT, to watch Netflix movies.  It's become a glorified on-line streaming medium in our house. 

     

    Bingo. That is why I think targeting "casuals" and "non-gamers" is a bad idea.

     

    It might seem wise to expand your audience and try to reach as much people as possible... but the casuals are not the ones that will invest lots of time, and more importantly lots of money, into video games.

     

    For example, I have a few "non-gamers" friends that have bought Wiis. They each got what, two or three games? Compared to a "true" gamer I know that bought at least 8 games per year since he got the PS3. What is more profitable? In my opinion the Wii did well because of all the casuals that were attracted by the gimmicks, but the sucess wont last. Those guys are not buying games anymore, only the "real gamers" are.

     

    So, I don't know. When I see stuff like that being announced, I kinda wish it fails horribly once its released.

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