MMORPG.COM News: Mourning Removed

Deku · March 2005

Lol, so the circus that is Mourning is finally leaving town eh?

Can't say that I am surprised considering all the stories and rumours I have heard regarding the development team.

I was planning on giving this game a try but now I wont even bother, it is forgotten and I can't imagine how this game can actually succeed now.

strouse · March 2005

your right deku.. because mourning was taken down from mmorpg.com its going to fail now.

mmorpg.com is nothing more than a backwoods wannaba gamespot or IGN and it really won't ever be nothing more than that. No game NEEDS the support of this site to succeed. c'mon wake up.

Its kind of funny that this thread has 200+ posts in it even though some people like to say mourning isnt popular.

D0ZeR · March 2005

Maybe they will rename and come back as ROT.

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by strouse
your right deku.. because mourning was taken down from mmorpg.com its going to fail now.
mmorpg.com is nothing more than a backwoods wannaba gamespot or IGN and it really won't ever be nothing more than that. No game NEEDS the support of this site to succeed. c'mon wake up.

exactly, so why has most the vocal members of the Mourning forum come here griping over the fact that it was removed from here?

strouse · March 2005

well dude. I can come here or anywhere and say I am president bush or britney spears. Are you really that gullible?

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by strouse
well dude. I can come here or anywhere and say I am president bush or britney spears. Are you really that gullible?

That doesn't address what I said in any way what so ever.

Correction, I stated Mourning staff in the previous post, that should have read Mourning forum.

draxshared · March 2005

Originally posted by Raenz
It is not their obligation to cover any game, the way I see it. If you come to this website to get updates on Mourning, then given the recent events, I guess you won't be able to do so. In my opinion, MMORPG.com has went out of their way to give us, the "subscribers" (although we actually pay no fee for their services) the opportunity to sound off regarding this issue. They could have just stopped their coverage, and removed the related forums, and called it a day, but instead they were upfront and tried to explain the situation as best they could without airing too much dirty laundry, as well as giving the viewers of this site a chance to be heard on the subject.
Folks that believe they have tarnished their reputation as a dependable site in regards to MMOGs are probably going a tad bit overboard with all of this angst and gnashing of the teeth. I would say that most of the comments are knee-jerk reactions to events that transpired between the two aforementioned parties, and have no basis of fact except for the things presented by the involved parties. Maybe if you knew what those facts were, you might have made the same decision. Maybe you wouldn't have. The fact of the matter is MMORPG.com made their decision based on those facts, and for the two years that I have been coming here for MMOG news, I can honestly say I have not witnessed anything that would lead me to believe that their actions were unwarranted in their eyes.

Well, I don't have angst and I'm not gnashing my teeth over Mourning. I never buy such a product as this without seeing what I get first. I just can't afford it. But again I find myself repeating, this isn't about Mourning, but about MMORPG.com and their subscribers.
The fact is that you don't have to become mentally unstable over a petty issue to see that MMORPG.com is severely diminishing their value to us subscribers by making this move. All you need to see this is to be consciously critizising your news sources.
As to obligations.. It depends on wether you're speaking about leagal or ethical obligations. The ethical obligation is the most important one for a site that want to be taken seroiusly. There is no doubt that MMORPG.com is pushing their boundaries for what is permissable use/abuse of media power in this case.

I agree that most of the comments made on this issue are (as you point out) both irrelevant and offensive, but that in it self does not make MMORPG.com's action any less questionable.

Also, in regards to my points about MMORPG.com's credibility, the facts about what transpired between the staff members in question are irrelevant. If MMORPG.com's staff is unable to relate to the Mourning staff (and visa versa), communication should cease, and MMORPG.com should conduct their buisniss as normal without such communication. Hence the "ignore button"..

Just for the record, I think it's great that MMORPG.com gives the subscribers this opportunity to comment on their actions, and even greater that they acually consider it..! It's testimony of some great idealistic company policy! Then again, being great in such a regard does not make them saints who can never (by definition) make mistakes. Also, I feel that I have given constructive critisizm on this issue, even though it concludes removeing Mourning was a bad mistake. Removeing their Forum and ending communication would have been sufficient, and the right thing to do when unable to resolve the conflict.

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by draxshared
Originally posted by Raenz
It is not their obligation to cover any game, the way I see it. If you come to this website to get updates on Mourning, then given the recent events, I guess you won't be able to do so. In my opinion, MMORPG.com has went out of their way to give us, the "subscribers" (although we actually pay no fee for their services) the opportunity to sound off regarding this issue. They could have just stopped their coverage, and removed the related forums, and called it a day, but instead they were upfront and tried to explain the situation as best they could without airing too much dirty laundry, as well as giving the viewers of this site a chance to be heard on the subject.
Folks that believe they have tarnished their reputation as a dependable site in regards to MMOGs are probably going a tad bit overboard with all of this angst and gnashing of the teeth. I would say that most of the comments are knee-jerk reactions to events that transpired between the two aforementioned parties, and have no basis of fact except for the things presented by the involved parties. Maybe if you knew what those facts were, you might have made the same decision. Maybe you wouldn't have. The fact of the matter is MMORPG.com made their decision based on those facts, and for the two years that I have been coming here for MMOG news, I can honestly say I have not witnessed anything that would lead me to believe that their actions were unwarranted in their eyes.

Well, I don't have angst and I'm not gnashing my teeth over Mourning. I never buy such a product as this without seeing what I get first. I just can't afford it. But again I find myself repeating, this isn't about Mourning, but about MMORPG.com and their subscribers.
The fact is that you don't have to become mentally unstable over a petty issue to see that MMORPG.com is severely diminishing their value to us subscribers by making this move. All you need to see this is to be consciously critizising your news sources.
As to obligations.. It depends on wether you're speaking about leagal or ethical obligations. The ethical obligation is the most important one for a site that want to be taken seroiusly. There is no doubt that MMORPG.com is pushing their boundaries for what is permissable use/abuse of media power in this case.

I agree that most of the comments made on this issue are (as you point out) both irrelevant and offensive, but that in it self does not make MMORPG.com's action any less questionable.

Also, in regards to my points about MMORPG.com's credibility, the facts about what transpired between the staff members in question are irrelevant. If MMORPG.com's staff is unable to relate to the Mourning staff (and visa versa), communication should cease, and MMORPG.com should conduct their buisniss as normal without such communication. Hence the "ignore button"..

Just for the record, I think it's great that MMORPG.com gives the subscribers this opportunity to comment on their actions, and even greater that they acually consider it..! It's testimony of some great idealistic company policy! Then again, being great in such a regard does not make them saints who can never (by definition) make mistakes. Also, I feel that I have given constructive critisizm on this issue, even though it concludes removeing Mourning was a bad mistake. Removeing their Forum and ending communication would have been sufficient, and the right thing to do when unable to resolve the conflict.

There is one problem to me with the "ignore button" concept. If that is the tactic that is used to handle the situation that would mean no further updates on Mourning since the news here (correct me if I am wrong staff) is greatly dependant on the developer staff submitting it to MMORPG.COM.

I may also be wrong on this (correct me if you may staff) but this is a game list repository more then a news site. They post news, but usually only if submitted to them or after it is news elsewhere. I do not see this site as a "news media source", I see this site as an information source. I beleive I am also correct in most if not all games listed here end up on the list via the developer requesting to be on it. So with that in mind, they are not diminishing themselves at all, this site is a informational and discussion center for MMO gaming and they have no obligations to make sure EVERY game is listed. I could be wrong on this but thats how I have seen this site for some time. Atleast once I really got settled into it and used it awhile, at first it did appear as a news site to me as well, but I realized my error.

Warflagon · March 2005

Good for MMORPG.com. I was interested in Mourning until I read their forums. Then I heard they were going to sue some comedian, for making jokes about them, lol.

Personally, I think the game is being developed in a jr high somewhere as part of a science project.

Good ridance mourning.

Otlano · March 2005

Someone has probably already said this but I'm going to say it again.

Egomancer, you need to chill out on those posts you were talking about. I'm talking about the ones where they said Mourning is a scam. If people are interested in a game, they do not listen to that stuff here. Those posts are just the typical trash talking idiots who don't really know anything about the game or disgruntled fans and the rest of us know it. There have been posts like that for almost any game including Eve, Neocron and Dark Age of Camelot (and we can see how those are doing especially DAoC) and they have not been hurt at all.

Mourning Devs, if you want to be developers in this particular field of gaming, you need to have a little bit thicker skin. Also, coming here and "attacking" posters here really does make you look bad.

illeite · March 2005

Originally posted by MerlinStyx

Just registered to say a few words about this bad comedy here.
(just before anybody asks: NO! I'm neither Dev, nor Publisher, nor Mod. just a fan)

Yep your just a Mourning fanboi, why don't u go back to that POS game?

Personally im just waiting for the game to cancel now, I think I might even start taking bets on the day thats going to happen. Dont you see that Mourning is a comparatively poor game in comparison to the likes of WoW and EQ2? no one in their right mind is going to pay for Mourning I mean really it's like given the choice of a brand new Ferrari or some old falling apart VW Beetle..... both for $15 a month.... you'd be stupid to not take the Ferrari right?

What is further just making this situation even more hilarious is Egomancer here crapping on about how "oh these forums need mods.... blah blah blah sorry i forgot the rest I thought i'd save my memory to remember something that wasn't complete crap. Dude how the %^&* can you sit there and even post those comments let alone think! those comments when u look at the state of your forums. Worst game award for the year = Mourning, Worst PR of the year = Mourning Worst Forums of the year = Mourning worst forum mods of the year = Mourning........ soon the only thing these fanbois will have in relation to Mourning is the mourning of their lost game which should last a whole what...? 5 seconds? Normally it'd take 1 second but the extra 4 are added just because i think they may have some problem as they are following the game in the first place.

Its also funny how they have attempted to make a good situation out of this..... Hey Ego...sorry ive forgotten the rest of your name as well now, what you should have done is just stayed away from here in the first place, A LOT of people come to MMORPG.com and hey whats that poll on YOUR website say at the moment? that something like 45-50% of people found your game through MMORPG.com? Yes thats right (I think that shows what a great job MMORPG.com does for the small dev's... after all if they didn't give a crap about your game we wouldn't get half the people crapping on about it over here right? yes) So rather than cause more of a stir why don't u try n let it die down here aye? yes thats right stay away and let these threads die and let people get over it. Maybe just maybe if u did that one day u might get back on the games list (oh wait your game will have been cancelled by then, my bad)

As for Tia(something) who posted saying they asked the mmorpg.com team to have the forums removed........ man I think you should just be laughed at ahahahahhahahahahaha, that was the most stupid thing you could have done. Why in a case like this do the Mourning people see fit to not just bite the bullet and take their loses for what they have done by insulting the mmorpg.com site and staff (come to think of it I think egomancers comments are insulting the staff and warrant a ban? I think i'll report that post right now actually)

The point is, Mournings going down the drain and they only have themselves to blame, you cant blame this on mmorpg.com and even if u try to... who cares? if u see it that way u should see it like them helping to put it out of its misery and it really looks like its in a world of hurt.

Thankyou MMORPG.com for everything you do, thankyou Craig for not taking crap from these people and sorry we can't give you back a few hours of your life having to deal with them about this.... I think thats probably the biggest loss here, MMORPG.com loss = A few crazed fan bois and some other people who just cant handle big discussions on forums. The MMORPG community loss = 1 below avg mmorpg Mourning loss = their community, 50% of their traffic, the game, their jobs, their money, their..... well basically everything.. just a piece of advice, don't put Mourning on your resume

Raenz · March 2005

Originally posted by strouse

well personally i dont think its any of them.. I think its one of the numerous clueless twits (above poster is a perfect example) that find sancuary here after getting booted everywhere else because they don't know how to speak among adults yet.
all this sounds like is a personal vendetta more than anything else.
and another thing.. controversy sells things. And the people doing the selling are usually smart enough to understand that and exploit it in ways that looks like they're not.
marketing 101: The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about all.
You think paris hilton let out that sex tape by accident?
bottom line is -- mmorpg.com should never have allowed their members to post the kind of crap they do and none of this would have ever happened. So whos really at fault here.. Ahhhhhhhh
People don't complain if theres nothing to complain about.

"Yep your just a Mourning fanboi, why don't u go back to that POS game?
Personally im just waiting for the game to cancel now, I think I might even start taking bets on the day thats going to happen. Dont you see that Mourning is a comparatively poor game in comparison to the likes of WoW and EQ2? no one in their right mind is going to pay for Mourning I mean really it's like given the choice of a brand new Ferrari or some old falling apart VW Beetle..... both for $15 a month.... you'd be stupid to not take the Ferrari right?"
and thats exactly what mmorpg.com supports. good luck

I thought you were going back to IGN or something? For someone that puts no stock into MMORPG.com's credibility, you sure fight hard to be heard here.

Personally I enjoy the forums here. They allow you to speak your mind, with some guidelines. Giving your opinion on a yet to be released game, should be taken as just that: opinion. If you see it more then that, then I feel a tad sorry for you. Even if some misguided folks decide to post things as facts, but have no evidence to back their posting up, most reader's simple ignore those as rantings.

I believe that LHE reacting the way they do regarding negative posts, or negative previews, hurt them far worse then some anonymous forum poster/member ranting on by fradulent credit card use. Got to be a bit more above all of that to make it.

MerlinStyx · March 2005

Originally posted by illeite
Dont you see that Mourning is a comparatively poor game in comparison to the likes of WoW and EQ2?

No, I don't. This depends only on your personal expectation. In my eyes, WoW and EQ2 are poor games. Nothing worth to loose even one more word about. But as I said ... this not a question that might be answered objective but only subjective.

and it has nearly somewhat to do calling MMORPG.com a poor spamboard for hate, winers and flamers. thats it.

Raenz · March 2005

Originally posted by Egomancer

And here ends the freedom of speech...
I just have been noted that my post on page 26 has been deleted because one of the mods felt insulted by my comments .
I am just curious if the mod is a payed employee or just a teenager that voluteered to that position. I find his position childish because all that I did was to express an oppinion. Maybe he did not like it but I strongly believe that the post shouldn't have been deleted.
First we have been accused that we hate mmorpg.com, we defended ourselves, they deleted the game entirely from the site and now started to delete the posts. While I am aware that this site and forum is property of Cyber Creations Inc, they should at least pretend to be professional. I am sorry that I need to say that, but personally I feel disapointed by the whole attitude some of Cyber Creations staff.
On the Mourning section of the forums there were posts that:
Transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content. (First point)
and they did NOT get deleted by the mods.
But my post on this forum has been considered defamatory to the mmorpg.com staff even if I did not use any vulgar term or I did not post any 'objectionable content'. It all depends from where you look at the matter: Mourning was my game so they did not have any issue regarding the fact that my game has been trashed for weeks (there was a lot of 'objectionable content' there) and THE MMORPG.COM RULES OF CONDUCT HAVE NOT BEEN APPLIED while 8h after I posted a message stating that they did not do their job properly my message is deleted.

Have a nice day .
Andrei Gireada

I am sorry I didn't get to read your post. Was it a personal attack on one of the MODs? Can't see why they would find it insultive for any other reason.

Mr. Gireada, I sure hope you don't think that MMORPG.com was the only place your game is/was getting trashed in forum discussions. Without a word, you can prove them all wrong by releasing a very tight game, with very few bugs and compelling game play (when it's ready of course). Instead you chose to get into verbal jousting matches because you feel offended. If your skin is no thicker then that, I worry for your sanity once the game is released and it gets horrid reviews. You do understand that is a possibility correct?

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by Egomancer
And here ends the freedom of speech...I just have been noted that my post on page 26 has been deleted because one of the mods felt insulted by my comments .I am just curious if the mod is a payed employee or just a teenager that voluteered to that position. I find his position childish because all that I did was to express an oppinion. Maybe he did not like it but I strongly believe that the post shouldn't have been deleted.First we have been accused that we hate mmorpg.com, we defended ourselves, they deleted the game entirely from the site and now started to delete the posts. While I am aware that this site and forum is property of Cyber Creations Inc, they should at least pretend to be professional. I am sorry that I need to say that, but personally I feel disapointed by the whole attitude some of Cyber Creations staff.On the Mourning section of the forums there were posts that: Transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content. (First point) and they did NOT get deleted by the mods. But my post on this forum has been considered defamatory to the mmorpg.com staff even if I did not use any vulgar term or I did not post any 'objectionable content'. It all depends from where you look at the matter: Mourning was my game so they did not have any issue regarding the fact that my game has been trashed for weeks (there was a lot of 'objectionable content' there) and THE MMORPG.COM RULES OF CONDUCT HAVE NOT BEEN APPLIED while 8h after I posted a message stating that they did not do their job properly my message is deleted.
Have a nice day .Andrei Gireada

So now you have resorted to insulting the mods here? VERY professional of you, thats going to get you real far in your field and get you a TON of respect with other gaming sites. And for the last time PLEASE get your lies in order. Either yourself and Tiamat DID ask to be removed from here or Craig deleted you, WHICH is it for the last time? Your current statement suggests that Tiamat has lied in his post on the Mourning official forum.

I truly do hope you keep going on here in this thread, it just means more people get to witness your lack of professionalism. Everytime you speak publically here you do yourself a disservice, you are your own worst enemy, good job. ::::28::

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by Raenz

I thought you were going back to IGN or something? For someone that puts no stock into MMORPG.com's credibility, you sure fight hard to be heard here.
Personally I enjoy the forums here. They allow you to speak your mind, with some guidelines. Giving your opinion on a yet to be released game, should be taken as just that: opinion. If you see it more then that, then I feel a tad sorry for you. Even if some misguided folks decide to post things as facts, but have no evidence to back their posting up, most reader's simple ignore those as rantings.
I believe that LHE reacting the way they do regarding negative posts, or negative previews, hurt them far worse then some anonymous forum poster/member ranting on by fradulent credit card use. Got to be a bit more above all of that to make it.

Very well said, nice work.

sewash · March 2005

And here ends the freedom of speech..

...dear people who say this....please return to school and finish your studies to learn when and where it makes sense to refer to your 'rights'..this forum would not be one of those places.

This has been a public service announcement, please return to your regularly scheduled ignorance.

Egomancer · March 2005

Second post that got deleted .

All that I can say is: Good Bye! Have a nice day!

Andrei Gireada

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by Egomancer
Second post that got deleted .All that I can say is: Good Bye! Have a nice day!
Andrei Gireada

AND STILL you couldn't answer the questions! Bye bye ::::02::

Sorrow · March 2005

Originally posted by Fadeus

You need to get a clue. Admin made clear the reasons for his choice. And that was The Mourning staff's big mouth and lack of respect for MMORPG.com. Keep running your mouth with whatever spin you wanna try to put on this with that sales attempt. You couldn't bother coming here and talking about the game BEFORE it happenned, we sure don't need you running your comspiracy theories AFTER here.

The problem with your argument is, is that the jerks posting here posing as mourning devs and admins are imposters, the people sending email to MMORPG representing themselves as devs and admins for mourning are imposters.

When the real devs, admins, members of the mourning community complained to the MMORPG staff about the imposters from this board posing as us in posts, emails, ect. The MMORPG staff did nothing about it. They asked us to provide photo ID we were the people we were registered as.

Now I ask you, how are we suppose to do that? Do you think my photo ID says JulieBlue on it? Do you think Tiamat's says Tiamat on it? Tiamat tried multiple times to calmly and professionally contact MMORPG about these issues that were taking place on this forum, that were creating havoc on his forum's and MMORPG chose to ignore him, once he gets angry about it and decides to lose his temper, just like the rest of us here have done, they suddenly they decide to stop ignoring him.

The decision MMORPG made was to side with thier community, perfectly acceptable response, IF thier community wasn't the ones starting all this crap in the first place.

ALL of this has taken place because an obnoxious nasty violent PK'er guild from SB, heard about Mounring on MMORPG, came to the Mourning community began thier usual forum terroist tactics they used over in SB forums for years.

Cussing.

Making threats of destroying the game.

Making threats against long term community members.

Claiming they were going to be griefers.

Posting death and dismemberment, and scat photos.

The Volunteer Moderators, attepted to make a stand, they edited posts , they locked threads, they 3-day suspended accounts. The harder they tried to stop it, the more pissed this PK guild became and the more violent and outrageous thier posts became.

The Mounring Devs stepped in and simply said READ THE RULES.

The behavior continued

Again the Devs said READ THE RULES

The behavior got worse, nasty posts were made calling the Devs alot of nasty things, but worse of all calling them Nazi's. What children in the US overlook here is calling people in Europe Nazi is the worst kind of insult. These people are the children of people who lived the horror of what the Nazi's did, these people live with constant reminders, and until very recently these people in Romania didnt have the freedom in thier lives, that these children in the US take foregranted.

At this point the Devs got pissed, was it professional for a gaming staff to get angry, post angry, and act in anger? NO

Was it human to get angry? VERY MUCH SO

Was it right for a Dev to do a sweeping 3 day ban for anyone who had WTF in thier post? NO

Was it done in anger and frustration? VERY MUCH SO

ALL of this has been human nature.

I guess the big argument here is, should game developers be above human nature?

Should gaming companies be more professional?

In all honesty I have to say yes. Knowing what I know, I could have written a review that drove the last nail in Mourning's coffin. But, I chose to make a choice, and I've chose to make a stand.

It's not about the people, the personalality conflicts, the forum wars, ect.

It's ONLY about the GAME.

Ultimately, my problem with MMORPG, is that they CLAIM they are about the GAMES.

However the decision they have made is about the human nature, not about the game.

ParaTrooper · March 2005

Originally posted by Fadeus

Originally posted by Egomancer
And here ends the freedom of speech...

I just have been noted that my post on page 26 has been deleted because one of the mods felt insulted by my comments .
I am just curious if the mod is a payed employee or just a teenager that voluteered to that position. I find his position childish because all that I did was to express an oppinion. Maybe he did not like it but I strongly believe that the post shouldn't have been deleted.
First we have been accused that we hate mmorpg.com, we defended ourselves, they deleted the game entirely from the site and now started to delete the posts. While I am aware that this site and forum is property of Cyber Creations Inc, they should at least pretend to be professional. I am sorry that I need to say that, but personally I feel disapointed by the whole attitude some of Cyber Creations staff.
On the Mourning section of the forums there were posts that:
Transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content. (First point)
and they did NOT get deleted by the mods.
But my post on this forum has been considered defamatory to the mmorpg.com staff even if I did not use any vulgar term or I did not post any 'objectionable content'. It all depends from where you look at the matter: Mourning was my game so they did not have any issue regarding the fact that my game has been trashed for weeks (there was a lot of 'objectionable content' there) and THE MMORPG.COM RULES OF CONDUCT HAVE NOT BEEN APPLIED while 8h after I posted a message stating that they did not do their job properly my message is deleted.

Have a nice day .
Andrei Gireada

So now you have resorted to insulting the mods here? VERY professional of you, thats going to get you real far in your feild and get you a TON of respect with other gaming sites. And for the last time PLEASE get your lies in order. Either yourself and Tiamat DID ask to be removed from here or Craig deleted you, WHICH is it for the last time? Your current statement suggests that Tiamat has lied in his post on the Mourning official forum.

I truly do hope you keep going on here in this thread, it just means more people get to witness your lack of professionalism. Everytime you speak publically here you do yourself a disservice, you are your own worst enemy, good job. ::::28::

Just like the above member posted I too am speechless as to the continual comments attacking the MMORPG.com staff and site that are posted here by Egomancer. It's even more surprising seeing that he has been warned about this twice and still persists with "smart ass" comments.

Also once again, no one asked MMORPG.com to remove the Mourning forums. They did comment in a reply accepting the removal, however that had no impact at all on any decision that was made by Craig in the process of removing the forums.

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by ParaTrooper
Just like the above member posted I too am speechless as to the continual comments attacking the MMORPG.com staff and site that are posted here by Egomancer. It's even more surprising seeing that he has been warned about this twice and still persists with "smart ass" comments.Also once again, no one asked MMORPG.com to remove the Mourning forums. They did comment in a reply accepting the removal, however that had no impact at all on any decision that was made by Craig in the process of removing the forums.

Thank you.

shulz · March 2005

"It's even more surprising seeing that he has been warned about this twice and still persists with "smart ass" comments"

So are you guys hypocrits now too? Because theres loads of "smart ass" comments and straight out vulgarity in this thread made by your members that havent been edited or removed.

Frek · March 2005

Wow such drama. I'll admit I'm the lurker type and rarely post here(although I've been visiting mmorpg.com for some time now).

To be honest I know absolutely nothing about Mourning. I've never once even looked into what the game is all about. It simply never caught my attention because I'm happily playing wow atm.

That said though I see some good and bad about this drama.

The Good: If it is true that some nasty emails were exchanged then I do understand mmorpg's reasons for wanting to remove Mourning from their site. Beyond that I don't think there is much "good" that come out of this whole situation.

The Bad: I can see how this could also backfire. What about the fan that discovers this site say 6 months down the road and asks "Why isn't there any Mourning coverage here?". I would say that new people to the site will more than likely look with suspicion upon this, especially when they see every other mmo know to man listed in the gamelist.

To the Mourning staff: From what little I have read here in this very thread I have to say I'm very appauled at your work ethic. If I behaved the way you did towards any potential customers I would quickly go out of business(I can't say I'd be fired because I run my own business). I think I do understand your zest to not have people spreading false information about your game but YOU CAN'T CENSOR the internet. Besides, does anyone really listen to the trollings of obvious trouble makers. If I listened to what other posters said on this or any other board I would never play any game EVER. There isn't a game out there that does not have hundreds of people who will do nothing but post false information about the game they hate. "Most" people are smart enough to realize that not everything posted on message boards is true or worthy of your attention. Once again I think I do really understand your reasons for wanting to moderate every fansite out there but honestly your going down a road where you can't win. The more you try to control opinions of your game the more your going to attract the trolls who love this sort of thing. I think you have grossly over-estimated the power message boards have on potential customers. If you have a solid game your fanbase will deal with misinformation for you.

Finally, when its all said and done I think I would actually prefer mmorpg.com to relist their information about Mourning as purely information about the game. I wouldn't recommend them opening a specific forum for Mourning but I do think that at the very least you should list the basic game information so that you do maintain a reputation for listing pretty much every game known. Once you remove one game from your list it becomes more likely in the future that other games will also get removed and it also gives a negative perspective about your bias. I would relist the information about Mourning and be done with it.(Stay away from any opinions or opening a forum though so that you are safe from any stupid legal action Mourning may try, theres nothing illegal about listing their product though using a feature list right from their own website) Doing this I think it sends a strong message to the community that even though you are mistreated by the Mourning staff that you are the ones that can be professional about it.

To the staff of mmorpg I would strongly urge you to reconsider the pros and cons of your decision. Personally my opinion is that it says alot more about you if you were to relist Mourning as information only than to continue on your present course of action. Either way though I will still lurk around this site.

/lurker stealth mode re-activated

Sorrow · March 2005

Once again the people posting here as Tiamat, Egomancer, JulieBlue are Imposters, just people trying to stir up more crap. Please stop using thier posts as grounds for your arguments.

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