Very nice of the writer that he shared his oppinion about the demo he played. Even funnier are the replies on this forum about this being a WoW clone.
I am looking forward to the release and further development of this game. And later make up my own mind on how I like the game when I get the chance to play it.
The op's topic title is incredibly misleading and simply not true.
Regardless whether you're into what has been shown or discussed so far or think it's an utter failure - I'm not sure how the hell you read that article and come to the conclusion that the overall assertion for the writer of the article was "not positive impressions".
Really now...
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
1. Well, I was thinking of Yoshimo. From a character perspective, I don't see how you can see the betrayal in DA coming, unless you are paranoid.
2. Of course, that argument doesn't work with TOR since it is ongoing and they've commented on how players will affect how things evolve, and I don't think it is accurate for all events in other Bioware games. Certainly there are many examples of owning and building up structures/homes/estates. There are also characters you can pick up or not and can result in side quests you otherwise wouldn't get -- and some people require entire side quests to do if you choose. Others won't stick around if you behave a certain way or have certain people. Certainly there's a lot of involvement on the level of human interaction and you DO see that evolve as well including change the sort of person a companion is. The vast majority of this is already confirmed to be in TOR in one way or another, and again, since TOR doesn't end you'll see the long-term effects of other things.
Also, like I said above, the Devs have said players will affect how the worlds evolve and they are very careful about what they say.
Beyond all these, even if we take your more negative approach, what is in such games is a vast, vast improvement over what we've seen in past MMOs. It's a big, innovative step.
3. A small comment does not a chip on my shoulder make. *sigh* You're kind of tedious -- if I have any sort of chip on my shoulder, I assure you it is only related to you and your posts. In my original comment, the "man" wasn't referring to anyone in particular, and was capitalized to emphasize how player choice is important. Your use seemed to only be there to emphasize that you are female, so it struck me as odd.
1. I read books and watch movies. DA was obvious to a lot of people as it was a classic setup device.
2. Developers comment on a lot of stuff they never get around to doing, or can't finish, or even successfully implement. What Bioware says doesn't matter; it's what they can do. I want to see what they can do in an MMORPG enviroment. You're thinking small again about change and big decisions when you change to you makes you think what about what you can get your companions to do. There are certain games Bioware makes where you completey change the power structure of an area. The characters slightly change, the enviroment, pretty much not at all. Bioware tends to keep the actual area static, even in an single player RPG.
3. Actually I was referring to the fact i played A WOMAN in the game, and happen to be a woman. Since its a singplayer game, OF COURSE one person matters regardless. Assume whatever you like, I find a good deal of your comments to be rude and arrogant, that strikes me as odd.
1. Which just as often doesn't happen at all in books or movies. You'd be saying the same thing if there was no betrayal. We have so many fictional narratives for these things that often things seem predictable to a lot of people. If it had gone the other way then there'd be a different group saying how predictable that was. The only really predictable thing was that something was not working right, imho.
2. Viconia is an example of a character you could radically change, depending on your actions. Bioware also has a huge rep for doing what they promise, so what they say is not something you should just ignore or take with a large grain of salt. I see now you are admitting that Bioware makes games where you do make large changes though. We're just at the point where we are discussing what sort of large changes those are. I agree they've almost never have had physical changes to the area, but I never said they did.
3. People who are wrong often find people who are right rude and arrogant, especially when they are insistent on what is right. My only real problem is it's taken so many posts for you to admit that Bioware does have significant player-made changes in their games. Not every decision of course, but now you finally admit it happens. This was a very long and tedious slog to get you to admit what is blatantly true. Maybe next time you should let your ego get in the way less and assess how Bioware and their games work in a less biased fashion.
3. People who are wrong often find people who are right rude and arrogant, especially when they are insistent on what is right. My only real problem is it's taken so many posts for you to admit that Bioware does have significant player-made changes in their games. Not every decision of course, but now you finally admit it happens. This was a very long and tedious slog to get you to admit what is blatantly true. Maybe next time you should let your ego get in the way less and assess how Bioware and their games work in a less biased fashion.
Nice try, but no, I don't agree with you. Keep trying to run around the playground though, I am sure there are some kids willing to chase you.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
At least Star Wars nerds can orgasm because they can use their lightsabers, haha.
As a former star wars nerd myself, i have to disagree with you. I think any proper star wars nerd would prefer a game without 1000000000000000 lightsabers and everyone being a jedi. I also think they're totally warping the period lore in order to set up what is basically the same conflict as the "current" era in old republic times simply for the sake of being able to have a ton of jedi. So i seriously doubt any Star Wards nerds are orgasming over this game. They are probably still enjoying SWG. Their children that grew up looking at daddy's Darth Vader action figures and playing WoW probably are real excited.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
At least Star Wars nerds can orgasm because they can use their lightsabers, haha.
As a former star wars nerd myself, i have to disagree with you. I think any proper star wars nerd would prefer a game without 1000000000000000 lightsabers and everyone being a jedi. I also think they're totally warping the period lore in order to set up what is basically the same conflict as the "current" era in old republic times simply for the sake of being able to have a ton of jedi. So i seriously doubt any Star Wards nerds are orgasming over this game. They are probably still enjoying SWG. Their children that grew up looking at daddy's Darth Vader action figures and playing WoW probably are real excited.
33 year old star wars nerd who can't wait to play a good star wars mmo
At least Star Wars nerds can orgasm because they can use their lightsabers, haha.
As a former star wars nerd myself, i have to disagree with you. I think any proper star wars nerd would prefer a game without 1000000000000000 lightsabers and everyone being a jedi. I also think they're totally warping the period lore in order to set up what is basically the same conflict as the "current" era in old republic times simply for the sake of being able to have a ton of jedi. So i seriously doubt any Star Wards nerds are orgasming over this game. They are probably still enjoying SWG. Their children that grew up looking at daddy's Darth Vader action figures and playing WoW probably are real excited.
I couldn't have worded it better, this is a seration of generations. At best, I watch this from the sidelines.
At least Star Wars nerds can orgasm because they can use their lightsabers, haha.
As a former star wars nerd myself, i have to disagree with you. I think any proper star wars nerd would prefer a game without 1000000000000000 lightsabers and everyone being a jedi. I also think they're totally warping the period lore in order to set up what is basically the same conflict as the "current" era in old republic times simply for the sake of being able to have a ton of jedi. So i seriously doubt any Star Wards nerds are orgasming over this game. They are probably still enjoying SWG. Their children that grew up looking at daddy's Darth Vader action figures and playing WoW probably are real excited.
Don't think you know what the "current" era in Star Wars is.
And "totally warping lore?" First, no lore goes over this period. Secondly, the worst thing they've done is use Galactic Empire uniforms, the "Moff" title, and Clone Trooper-like outfits. Those aren't hard to justify and are pretty small things. I accept it as a lore-justifiable concession to big fans of only the original trilogy.
As a big Star Wars nerd, SWG did not excite me at all (I do not want to wash dishes in a Star Wars game, nor to have that be part of the game). TOR is looking pretty awesome, overall.
At least Star Wars nerds can orgasm because they can use their lightsabers, haha.
As a former star wars nerd myself, i have to disagree with you. I think any proper star wars nerd would prefer a game without 1000000000000000 lightsabers and everyone being a jedi. I also think they're totally warping the period lore in order to set up what is basically the same conflict as the "current" era in old republic times simply for the sake of being able to have a ton of jedi. So i seriously doubt any Star Wards nerds are orgasming over this game. They are probably still enjoying SWG. Their children that grew up looking at daddy's Darth Vader action figures and playing WoW probably are real excited.
Don't think you know what the "current" era in Star Wars is.
And "totally warping lore?" First, no lore goes over this period. Secondly, the worst thing they've done is use Galactic Empire uniforms, the "Moff" title, and Clone Trooper-like outfits. Those aren't hard to justify and are pretty small things. I accept it as a lore-justifiable concession to big fans of only the original trilogy.
As a big Star Wars nerd, SWG did not excite me at all (I do not want to wash dishes in a Star Wars game, nor to have that be part of the game). TOR is looking pretty awesome, overall.
When i refer to "current" i refer to the Galactic Civil War as depicted in the films. All lore began here and either expands on the story or provides the background to it. It's clear that what BioWare wanted was to take the same "Empire vs. Rebels/Republic" conflict that exists in the "current / modern" timeline and add lots of Jedi to it. So for this purpose that took an era that has lots of Jedi and set up the same sides. This is the best way to do it. A game is always stronger if they make up the lore to suit the game rather than make a game to represent existing lore - this was just one of the many learnings they took away from SWG.
I very much look forward to playing this as RPG gamer, but as a Star Wars fan, I don't expect this to come anywhere close to giving me that feeling of living in the star wars galaxy.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
So the author of the article is miffed cause TOR is an evolution and not a revolution? The road is littered with games with revolutionary features that just weren't fun for most people. Warhammer's RvR zones were fun for me but a lot of people hated them. Guild Wars' heavy instancing gets a lot of hate. SWG had sandbox elements but the rest of the game had issues.
All mainstream MMOs have evolved the game before them, not revolutionized the genre. Ultima evolved MUD gaming. EQ evolved 2d Ultima to 3d. WoW evolved ease-of-use, graphics, and quest variety from EQ. There were other games with more revolutionary features but they never made it mainstream. To be honest, it's cool to try out those games with revolutionary features, but I usually prefer the game with the heavy polish that has just evolved from another mainstream game.
Exactly what I was thinking. Give me a polished evolution over a a game that tries to be a revolution and ended up a mess for the most part.
And in the end the reviewer sounded like he actually had fun. Which is why I'm confused over the title of this thread. For the most part everything he said were positive impressions. He had criticisms here and there but he was having fun in a very cinematic game.
That's win to me.
agreed. as long as they fix the animation glitches i think this will be a good game for players who aren't sick of wow yet.
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Very nice of the writer that he shared his oppinion about the demo he played. Even funnier are the replies on this forum about this being a WoW clone.
I am looking forward to the release and further development of this game. And later make up my own mind on how I like the game when I get the chance to play it.
The op's topic title is incredibly misleading and simply not true.
Regardless whether you're into what has been shown or discussed so far or think it's an utter failure - I'm not sure how the hell you read that article and come to the conclusion that the overall assertion for the writer of the article was "not positive impressions".
Really now...
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
1. Which just as often doesn't happen at all in books or movies. You'd be saying the same thing if there was no betrayal. We have so many fictional narratives for these things that often things seem predictable to a lot of people. If it had gone the other way then there'd be a different group saying how predictable that was. The only really predictable thing was that something was not working right, imho.
2. Viconia is an example of a character you could radically change, depending on your actions. Bioware also has a huge rep for doing what they promise, so what they say is not something you should just ignore or take with a large grain of salt. I see now you are admitting that Bioware makes games where you do make large changes though. We're just at the point where we are discussing what sort of large changes those are. I agree they've almost never have had physical changes to the area, but I never said they did.
3. People who are wrong often find people who are right rude and arrogant, especially when they are insistent on what is right. My only real problem is it's taken so many posts for you to admit that Bioware does have significant player-made changes in their games. Not every decision of course, but now you finally admit it happens. This was a very long and tedious slog to get you to admit what is blatantly true. Maybe next time you should let your ego get in the way less and assess how Bioware and their games work in a less biased fashion.
It isn't a bad review. What the OP sems to think is bad is that it is a MMO.
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Pretty much what I expected. A Single-Player co-op RPG presented in Choose Your Own Adventure style.
At least Star Wars nerds can orgasm because they can use their lightsabers, haha.
Nice try, but no, I don't agree with you. Keep trying to run around the playground though, I am sure there are some kids willing to chase you.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Is it wrong to place almost no value in the opinion of a journalist who played a game, in alpha, for a couple minuites?
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
As a former star wars nerd myself, i have to disagree with you. I think any proper star wars nerd would prefer a game without 1000000000000000 lightsabers and everyone being a jedi. I also think they're totally warping the period lore in order to set up what is basically the same conflict as the "current" era in old republic times simply for the sake of being able to have a ton of jedi. So i seriously doubt any Star Wards nerds are orgasming over this game. They are probably still enjoying SWG. Their children that grew up looking at daddy's Darth Vader action figures and playing WoW probably are real excited.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
33 year old star wars nerd who can't wait to play a good star wars mmo
/raises hand
I couldn't have worded it better, this is a seration of generations. At best, I watch this from the sidelines.
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Don't think you know what the "current" era in Star Wars is.
And "totally warping lore?" First, no lore goes over this period. Secondly, the worst thing they've done is use Galactic Empire uniforms, the "Moff" title, and Clone Trooper-like outfits. Those aren't hard to justify and are pretty small things. I accept it as a lore-justifiable concession to big fans of only the original trilogy.
As a big Star Wars nerd, SWG did not excite me at all (I do not want to wash dishes in a Star Wars game, nor to have that be part of the game). TOR is looking pretty awesome, overall.
When i refer to "current" i refer to the Galactic Civil War as depicted in the films. All lore began here and either expands on the story or provides the background to it. It's clear that what BioWare wanted was to take the same "Empire vs. Rebels/Republic" conflict that exists in the "current / modern" timeline and add lots of Jedi to it. So for this purpose that took an era that has lots of Jedi and set up the same sides. This is the best way to do it. A game is always stronger if they make up the lore to suit the game rather than make a game to represent existing lore - this was just one of the many learnings they took away from SWG.
I very much look forward to playing this as RPG gamer, but as a Star Wars fan, I don't expect this to come anywhere close to giving me that feeling of living in the star wars galaxy.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
agreed. as long as they fix the animation glitches i think this will be a good game for players who aren't sick of wow yet.