Taking bets on how long it will take for a phisher to call someone, and pretend to be Blizzard to get their password. I'm guessing a few minutes after this goes live.
the only people who are afraid are people who are either babies or have something to hide.
With all the lessons of history and the political abuses of power, I can not believe someone in this day and age still tries to use the "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide" argument.
(with thanks to Swanea, who posted the link in another thread)
Girl gamers and parents with gaming kids will be so glad to learn how integrated their gaming can become with their RL, accessibility and reachability ftw!
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Good for Blizzard, maybe some of those people on their forums will "man up" now and grow a pair. Like someone already said, if you conduct yourself respectfully then you'll be free of fraud, harrassment and shame. So Blizzard forums will only allow you to post if you use your real ID/name, I see a lot of speculation, fear, skepticism and responsibility dodging.
Wishing for community in this day and age with the level of annonymity that these games and forums provide does NOT come without bucking the trend. More information has been compromised from people over the internet through Google, Youtube and Amazon then anything that Facebook or this new Blizzard real ID will ever do.
It's just commonsense, put people in a dark room and they will do and say things that they normally won't once someone turns on the light. Same thing if they are in a huge crowd compared to talking to someone 1 on 1. And so far it's all strictly volutary, so most of you are moaning about something that many here will NEVER take advantage of anyway.
Like I tell my teenage daughter, no laptops in your room, if you're that worried about the possible things we may see that you're doing while in our presence then maybe you don't need to be doing those things around us. Commonsense.....and she does her thing on her laptop in the living room where the whole family gathers with zero issues. I'm not worried about what others may find out about me on the net or if my precious name wil be known, I can tell you now that just because you're afraid to be attached to your own name doesn't mean that your name is not attached to a crapload of information already, linking it to a freakin video game is NOT gonna add anymore harm to what's already out there unless you made it that way through your own actions to begin with.
So be it I say, time to separate the BSers from the BS in this genre anyway. You want community? Time to step up and support it now and take the hits and deal with it.
It's no excuse why it won't work either:
Chick that plays and worries about others finding out? Make it clear to others where you stand and stick to it, you have their name just as well. You just have to be willing to report it.
People that play and want to protect thier profession? Ninety-nine percent of employers DO NOT link the names of their employees on websites. If they did your name is already compromised.
If you're famous/semi-famous and want it kept that way? Your life is already a storybook or soon will be if you're hoping to get as famous as your ambition allows anyway.
We'll see if this kills Blizzard's forums, but I really hope more MMOs and websites pick up this practice.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
It's just commonsense, put people in a dark room and they will do and say things that they normally won't once someone turns on the light.
What about people who are pathalogically shy in real life? That same anonymity that you fear protects trolls allows some people who never speak up in the real world a chance to come out of their shells and shine. These are the people who are going to get hurt most - of course you'll never see it because they'll vanish back into their silent abyss as if they never existed.
This won't stop those who really want to cause trouble. They're either gonna do it , regardless that their name is visible. OR they will just start another account with a bogus name and pay with time cards instead of a CC. It's not exactly hard to still hide behind some bogus name even with this in place.
Good for Blizzard, maybe some of those people on their forums will "man up" now and grow a pair. Like someone already said, if you conduct yourself respectfully then you'll be free of fraud, harrassment and shame.
This is fairytale stuff and "we all live happily ever after". If I'd be a troll, and liked to call people pieces of s**t before the change, what would prevent me from keeping on doing it? What are you gonna do about it, if I like I can now even play the race/culture/gender card to troll others with this change (and if I'm smart, I can get away with it, smart insinuating and innuendo can go a long way).
So Blizzard forums will only allow you to post if you use your real ID/name, I see a lot of speculation, fear, skepticism and responsibility dodging.
I see a lot naivete, blind faith and indifference towards people in other situations unlike yours in this. There are a variety of reasons why people don't use private information like their real name besides malicious intent; that you can't imagine or empathise them, doesn't mean that those aren't there or valid.
It's just commonsense, put people in a dark room and they will do and say things that they normally won't once someone turns on the light. Same thing if they are in a huge crowd compared to talking to someone 1 on 1. And so far it's all strictly volutary, so most of you are moaning about something that many here will NEVER take advantage of anyway.
You only have to look at countries where the government is a dictatorship or where freedom of speech isn't a right to see the value of anonimity.
Like I tell my teenage daughter, no laptops in your room, if you're that worried about the possible things we may see that you're doing while in our presence then maybe you don't need to be doing those things around us. Commonsense.....and she does her thing on her laptop in the living room where the whole family gathers with zero issues. I'm not worried about what others may find out about me on the net or if my precious name wil be known, I can tell you now that just because you're afraid to be attached to your own name doesn't mean that your name is not attached to a crapload of information already, linking it to a freakin video game is NOT gonna add anymore harm to what's already out there unless you made it that way through your own actions to begin with.
Good for your daughter, that she hasn't had any bad experiences yet. And good for her that she hasn't been stalked or harassed or sexually assaulted yet. Unfortunately there are other women and girls who did experience sortlike things, as a result of being too open and free with their personal information. And even if people haven't had experiences like that, there's a difference of sharing personal information out of your own with people you got to know IRL or online, and being forced to share personal information just to be able topost.
Of course, there's still a choice: not posting.
So be it I say, time to separate the BSers from the BS in this genre anyway. You want community? Time to step up and support it now and take the hits and deal with it.
Or simply walk away, because you think that the solution that Blizzard provided is a lesser one and plainly sucks.
It's no excuse why it won't work either:
Chick that plays and worries about others finding out? Make it clear to others where you stand and stick to it, you have their name just as well. You just have to be willing to report it.
Right... that's a good one! Just tell all the female gamers that they should be strong and make a stand, and not get frightened when it happens that they do get stalked or harassed or someone anonymous has found their address and phone number and calls them on all kinds of times.
After all, it's silly to be wary when you reveal your private information on forum or in an online conversation...
We'll see if this kills Blizzard's forums, but I really hope more MMOs and websites pick up this practice.
I really hope not. But hey, I also hoped silly stuff as the Patriot Act or Guantamo Bay would never have been implemented, personal rights is such a fickle thing.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
It's just commonsense, put people in a dark room and they will do and say things that they normally won't once someone turns on the light.
What about people who are pathalogically shy in real life? That same anonymity that you fear protects trolls allows some people who never speak up in the real world a chance to come out of their shells and shine. These are the people who are going to get hurt most - of course you'll never see it because they'll vanish back into their silent abyss as if they never existed.
These people should seek help. Catering to their psychosis is not a healthy form of therapy.
"Various psychological therapies have been used to treat extreme shyness, most of them with limited success. The most successful approaches use some variation of cognitive therapy, or behavioral therapy, or both of these, combined with graduated and increasing exposure to the feared situation.
In cognitive therapy, the patient is taught to notice the thoughts he is thinking while he is in the feared situation. The client learns to challenge his thoughts to see if they fit reality. If these thoughts do not match the reality, the client is taught to substitute more realistic thoughts in their place.
Behavioral therapy aims to change the client’s behavior using a program of positive reinforcement of the desired behavior, and negative reinforcement of the undesired behavior."
Good for Blizzard, maybe some of those people on their forums will "man up" now and grow a pair. Like someone already said, if you conduct yourself respectfully then you'll be free of fraud, harrassment and shame.
This is fairytale stuff and "we all live happily ever after". If I'd be a troll, and liked to call people pieces of s**t before the change, what would prevent me from keeping on doing it? What are you gonna do about it, if I like I can now even play the race/culture/gender card to troll others with this change (and if I'm smart, I can get away with it, smart insinuating and innuendo can go a long way).
You are absolutely correct with your point about people still trolling with their real name. How many will still troll, and if it cuts down the amount of cruetly or immaturaty that exists on those forums is to be seen. As for the rest, many people had to go through school, and experienced first hand much worst then you describe that might occur over an internet forum
So Blizzard forums will only allow you to post if you use your real ID/name, I see a lot of speculation, fear, skepticism and responsibility dodging.
I see a lot naivete, blind faith and indifference towards people in other situations unlike yours in this. There are a variety of reasons why people don't use private information like their real name besides malicious intent; that you can't imagine or empathise them, doesn't mean that those aren't there or valid.
Other situations may prevent people from using those forums at all, sure. They don't have to post on those forums. If they feel left out of the group or feel like second class citizens cause of this, it is their personal perception of the situation that needs to be remedied. I don't think Blizzard is doing this to hurt their feelings. They may even be doing this to help protect others.
It's just commonsense, put people in a dark room and they will do and say things that they normally won't once someone turns on the light. Same thing if they are in a huge crowd compared to talking to someone 1 on 1. And so far it's all strictly volutary, so most of you are moaning about something that many here will NEVER take advantage of anyway.
You only have to look at countries where the government is a dictatorship or where freedom of speech isn't a right to see the value of anonimity.
Much has changed for the worse in this regard. This change on a independant video game forum is not the slippery slope that lead to the Patriot Act, nor is this thread a good place to delve into this debate I think.
Like I tell my teenage daughter, no laptops in your room, if you're that worried about the possible things we may see that you're doing while in our presence then maybe you don't need to be doing those things around us. Commonsense.....and she does her thing on her laptop in the living room where the whole family gathers with zero issues. I'm not worried about what others may find out about me on the net or if my precious name wil be known, I can tell you now that just because you're afraid to be attached to your own name doesn't mean that your name is not attached to a crapload of information already, linking it to a freakin video game is NOT gonna add anymore harm to what's already out there unless you made it that way through your own actions to begin with.
Good for your daughter, that she hasn't had any bad experiences yet. And good for her that she hasn't been stalked or harassed or sexually assaulted yet. Unfortunately there are other women and girls who did experience sortlike things, as a result of being too open and free with their personal information. And even if people haven't had experiences like that, there's a difference of sharing personal information out of your own with people you got to know IRL or online, and being forced to share personal information just to be able topost.
Of course, there's still a choice: not posting.
Not every girl will be assaulted. You put yet at the end of everything like its just a matter of time. Is the world really that bleak for you? I live in a rough neighborhood and it isn't even as bad as you seem to be trying to make it sound in that paragraph.
Sure, crazy crap happens to girls. Some guy ran up on a 19 year old walking down the street and tried to put his hand down her pants this week in my state. Not cause he knew her name from some online video game, but because he is criminally insane and should be locked up.
One of my old bosses, very attractive young lady, told me stories of customers offering her up to $1000 dollars for her underwear she was wearing. *shrug* She still showed up for work each day. It didn't imprison her in fear and paranoia.
So be it I say, time to separate the BSers from the BS in this genre anyway. You want community? Time to step up and support it now and take the hits and deal with it.
Or simply walk away, because you think that the solution that Blizzard provided is a lesser one and plainly sucks.
Exactly. In the end we all have to make our own informed choices.
It's no excuse why it won't work either:
Chick that plays and worries about others finding out? Make it clear to others where you stand and stick to it, you have their name just as well. You just have to be willing to report it.
Right... that's a good one! Just tell all the female gamers that they should be strong and make a stand, and not get frightened when it happens that they do get stalked or harassed or someone anonymous has found their address and phone number and calls them on all kinds of times.
After all, it's silly to be wary when you reveal your private information on forum or in an online conversation...
Please don't take this the wrong way.
I have to question your life experience with this comment. Girls have to deal with potential suitors that don't work out all the time. It sucks, but there are ways to shake them loose. Some guys just don't take a hint and require more motivation.
We'll see if this kills Blizzard's forums, but I really hope more MMOs and websites pick up this practice.
I really hope not. But hey, I also hoped silly stuff as the Patriot Act or Guantamo Bay would never have been implemented, personal rights is such a fickle thing.
ROFL.. what will prevent you from trolling, and being worse about it by being sneaky??
Do you even WATCH the news?? It's called Lawyers, and Judges. People are getting fired, arrested etc. LEFT AND RIGHT for the crap they say on Facebook, Twitter and other societal degrading sites.
If you want to be a complete and total moron and start posting stuff like that on Blizzard's forums, with your real name posted and all that tied into your Billing etc.. Go ahead.. Can't wait to see your mug shot.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Never. It is just more proof of the evil of Blizzard. A company can deal with offensive ppl behind the curtain, but there is NO reason to public anyone's real name in the internet! Not now. Not ever!
I would rather burn my computer and never touch any computer ever again than see that come true.
It is shocking how easy some people are willing to sell their privacy away! How said it again? The person who sells away freedom from security does not deserve either.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
It is shocking how easy some people are willing to sell their privacy away! How said it again? The person who sells away freedom from security does not deserve either.
Some people believe they need to be protected from video-game forum trolls, and are perfectly willing to embrace whatever it takes to make them safe, even if it hurts themselves or others. This is called "Manning up" and "Having balls".
When the time card I received as a gift expires in August, that'll definitely be the end of WoW for me now. I have "unplugged" as much as I can from the internets. The last thing I need to do is pay a company to put my personal information out there.
What a bunch of grade A morons at that company. Really.
Does this mean that I have to go back through all my alts and delete my posts in order to maintain my desired anonymity? Is this going to be "retroactive"? I can't imagine Blizzard putting any resources into making it a "from this point on" solution...
I don't think you could even hide your name...since a lot of people use credit cards for paying WOW...whats on the credit card..."YOUR NAME"...So heck I doubt anyone could even hide their names from the forum..it probably would be established before you could even change it....
Can you imagine the law suit if someone does stalk and kill another player from using the info found on the rl names on the site.. blizzard stock .01 ct ..
People have already killed each other and neglected their children because of WoW, but you don't see it hurting Blizzard in a financial way.
Entirely different. Before people had to deliberately seek out private information on people in order to stalk and harrass them. Now Blizzard is giving out that information.
How facebook hasn't been sued into the ground is beyond me. One day you set your privacy settings to protect yourself, and the next day they change them so the whole world has your info. I guess EULA's hold up in court after all. In that respect, I think Blizzard will ultimately be safe because it is your choice whether to use the system or not.
I needed to post that link again because I am in shock that anyone would argue in favor of this terrible system after reading that article, kudos to wowriot.
3 80's. Will be deleting my characters if this goes live. Not that it really matters. This patchspansion is a total joke and this game is dead. It seems blizzard is now trying to kill thier game to make way for their next MMO.
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Taking bets on how long it will take for a phisher to call someone, and pretend to be Blizzard to get their password. I'm guessing a few minutes after this goes live.
With all the lessons of history and the political abuses of power, I can not believe someone in this day and age still tries to use the "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide" argument.
Blizzard mod's home address found quickly and getting called at his home after revealing his first and last name
(with thanks to Swanea, who posted the link in another thread)
Girl gamers and parents with gaming kids will be so glad to learn how integrated their gaming can become with their RL, accessibility and reachability ftw!
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Good for Blizzard, maybe some of those people on their forums will "man up" now and grow a pair. Like someone already said, if you conduct yourself respectfully then you'll be free of fraud, harrassment and shame. So Blizzard forums will only allow you to post if you use your real ID/name, I see a lot of speculation, fear, skepticism and responsibility dodging.
Wishing for community in this day and age with the level of annonymity that these games and forums provide does NOT come without bucking the trend. More information has been compromised from people over the internet through Google, Youtube and Amazon then anything that Facebook or this new Blizzard real ID will ever do.
It's just commonsense, put people in a dark room and they will do and say things that they normally won't once someone turns on the light. Same thing if they are in a huge crowd compared to talking to someone 1 on 1. And so far it's all strictly volutary, so most of you are moaning about something that many here will NEVER take advantage of anyway.
Like I tell my teenage daughter, no laptops in your room, if you're that worried about the possible things we may see that you're doing while in our presence then maybe you don't need to be doing those things around us. Commonsense.....and she does her thing on her laptop in the living room where the whole family gathers with zero issues. I'm not worried about what others may find out about me on the net or if my precious name wil be known, I can tell you now that just because you're afraid to be attached to your own name doesn't mean that your name is not attached to a crapload of information already, linking it to a freakin video game is NOT gonna add anymore harm to what's already out there unless you made it that way through your own actions to begin with.
So be it I say, time to separate the BSers from the BS in this genre anyway. You want community? Time to step up and support it now and take the hits and deal with it.
It's no excuse why it won't work either:
Chick that plays and worries about others finding out? Make it clear to others where you stand and stick to it, you have their name just as well. You just have to be willing to report it.
People that play and want to protect thier profession? Ninety-nine percent of employers DO NOT link the names of their employees on websites. If they did your name is already compromised.
If you're famous/semi-famous and want it kept that way? Your life is already a storybook or soon will be if you're hoping to get as famous as your ambition allows anyway.
We'll see if this kills Blizzard's forums, but I really hope more MMOs and websites pick up this practice.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Lol, someone's going to get killed and someone's going to get fired.
Welcome to the wonderful world of corporate irresponsibility!
BP anyone?
At least in China they lope the heads off of stupid/evil/incompetent CEOs lol.
What about people who are pathalogically shy in real life? That same anonymity that you fear protects trolls allows some people who never speak up in the real world a chance to come out of their shells and shine. These are the people who are going to get hurt most - of course you'll never see it because they'll vanish back into their silent abyss as if they never existed.
HAHA!!!!!!
Grow a pair!!!
Grow a pair!!!!
You grow a pair!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUOI7BTmmk0
HAHAHHAHHAHHAAA!!!!
You grow a PAIR!!!!!
Man, this is hysterical!!!
This won't stop those who really want to cause trouble. They're either gonna do it , regardless that their name is visible. OR they will just start another account with a bogus name and pay with time cards instead of a CC. It's not exactly hard to still hide behind some bogus name even with this in place.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7771505/Video-game-fanatic-hunts-down-and-stabs-rival-player-who-killed-character-online.html
/argument off
Gaming since Avalon Hill was making board games.
Played SWG, EVE, Fallen Earth, LOTRO, Rift, Vanguard, WoW, SWTOR, TSW, Tera
Tried Aoc, Aion, EQII, RoM, Vindictus, Darkfail, DDO, GW, PotBS
I think we should use this video in a poll called: "Boy or Girl?"
In blue.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
These people should seek help. Catering to their psychosis is not a healthy form of therapy.
"Various psychological therapies have been used to treat extreme shyness, most of them with limited success. The most successful approaches use some variation of cognitive therapy, or behavioral therapy, or both of these, combined with graduated and increasing exposure to the feared situation.
In cognitive therapy, the patient is taught to notice the thoughts he is thinking while he is in the feared situation. The client learns to challenge his thoughts to see if they fit reality. If these thoughts do not match the reality, the client is taught to substitute more realistic thoughts in their place.
Behavioral therapy aims to change the client’s behavior using a program of positive reinforcement of the desired behavior, and negative reinforcement of the undesired behavior."
ROFL.. what will prevent you from trolling, and being worse about it by being sneaky??
Do you even WATCH the news?? It's called Lawyers, and Judges. People are getting fired, arrested etc. LEFT AND RIGHT for the crap they say on Facebook, Twitter and other societal degrading sites.
If you want to be a complete and total moron and start posting stuff like that on Blizzard's forums, with your real name posted and all that tied into your Billing etc.. Go ahead.. Can't wait to see your mug shot.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Never. It is just more proof of the evil of Blizzard. A company can deal with offensive ppl behind the curtain, but there is NO reason to public anyone's real name in the internet! Not now. Not ever!
I would rather burn my computer and never touch any computer ever again than see that come true.
It is shocking how easy some people are willing to sell their privacy away! How said it again? The person who sells away freedom from security does not deserve either.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Your local phone book is just a dull list of names, your comparison is valid when the phone book starts printing conversations you have with people.
Some people believe they need to be protected from video-game forum trolls, and are perfectly willing to embrace whatever it takes to make them safe, even if it hurts themselves or others. This is called "Manning up" and "Having balls".
When the time card I received as a gift expires in August, that'll definitely be the end of WoW for me now. I have "unplugged" as much as I can from the internets. The last thing I need to do is pay a company to put my personal information out there.
What a bunch of grade A morons at that company. Really.
Does this mean that I have to go back through all my alts and delete my posts in order to maintain my desired anonymity? Is this going to be "retroactive"? I can't imagine Blizzard putting any resources into making it a "from this point on" solution...
I don't think you could even hide your name...since a lot of people use credit cards for paying WOW...whats on the credit card..."YOUR NAME"...So heck I doubt anyone could even hide their names from the forum..it probably would be established before you could even change it....
http://hushwolf.mybrute.com
Entirely different. Before people had to deliberately seek out private information on people in order to stalk and harrass them. Now Blizzard is giving out that information.
How facebook hasn't been sued into the ground is beyond me. One day you set your privacy settings to protect yourself, and the next day they change them so the whole world has your info. I guess EULA's hold up in court after all. In that respect, I think Blizzard will ultimately be safe because it is your choice whether to use the system or not.
http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wowriot+(Latest+Wowriot+Blog+Posts+-+Wowriot.Gameriot.com)
I needed to post that link again because I am in shock that anyone would argue in favor of this terrible system after reading that article, kudos to wowriot.
And it begins, first person is a Blizzard employee:
Our poor fellow:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374892&sid=1&pageNo=1 Post #16
The 4chan thread:
http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/65848825
About half-way down.
3 80's. Will be deleting my characters if this goes live. Not that it really matters. This patchspansion is a total joke and this game is dead. It seems blizzard is now trying to kill thier game to make way for their next MMO.