Im missing something with this argument on personal security, for instance my name is John Somers now you don't know where I live in the world, my address, my phone number, how old I am, for that matter anything other then im a male. I suppose you could do some name searches online for example Yellow Pages or people search to get an idea but how many results would you get?
Obviously there is some names that are very unique, maybe someone can shed some light on this for me in understanding how this is any different then introducing your self to someone on the phone, facebook, twitter, even myspace?
Im missing something with this argument on personal security, for instance my name is John Somers now you don't know where I live in the world, my address, my phone number, how old I am, for that matter anything other then im a male. I suppose you could do some name searches online for example Yellow Pages or people search to get an idea but how many results would you get?
Obviously there is some names that are very unique, maybe someone can shed some light on this for me in understanding how this is any different then introducing your self to someone on the phone, facebook, twitter, even myspace?
"Hey John, how's it going. Remember me? We're in the guild "Super Awesome Nightelf Dance Team". Anyhow, I saw you were on facebook so I thought i'd send you a friend request. My character is <random name from armory that is in the guild>"
Now, that message would probably go to a lot of Johns before they got the right one, but with a more uniqe name, you can see that this might open up an opportunity for social engineering. When combined with facebook, the location, email, etc can become easily available.
This is just a scenario off the top of my head and that I had posted previously in one of these threads. As I said previously, someone more motivated can probably think of a hundred more ways to leverage this information to streamline their efforts.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I'm thrilled that they are doing this to the forums.
Now people can actually go to the forums without being trolled by every sarcastic smart-ass persona that jumps between youtube comments and WoW forum tabs.
At least I hope this curves the amount of crap spewed out by the community. I'd be all for MMORPG.com requiring it as well, this site isn't far behind the WoW community site. I wouldn't mind my real name being shown as I don't assault people on a 5 minute basis.
Originally posted by Sergen I'm thrilled that they are doing this to the forums.
Now people can actually go to the forums without being trolled by every sarcastic smart-ass persona that jumps between youtube comments and WoW forum tabs.
At least I hope this curves the amount of crap spewed out by the community. I'd be all for MMORPG.com requiring it as well, this site isn't far behind the WoW community site. I wouldn't mind my real name being shown as I don't assault people on a 5 minute basis.
I do approv what you say and as i say at many many place : I love that !
Originally posted by Spoon They're idiots... First Blizz fails with the Battlenet crap(using your email address as your login name)... And the number of hacked accounts goes up... And, now they want to make your real name public? Why do people keep throwing money at them fools?
And you dont seem to rly understand what it could bring versus the rly poor probability of being account hacked of you game.
I mean you have probably no information or anything interesting in your life or even around yourself that could be enought important for someone to try to dig your personal information, i mean without creating a personal website and gaving us ur PIN number, or you KSSID or whatever the sercurity number of your country or a list of your in-game password for eveygame you own , your just normal as we are all.
So only few angry boy or girl with their own life going to be real burden ( and it probably around 0.0000001 % ) of all the communoty into any game.
p.s: over 13 year of mmo experience in any game I never geeen hacked. Those who are hackey are those wich they dont even know what they doing and compromising their information.
We as gamers play RPG's to put ourselves in the shoes of another. Even if we do not, this is how RPG's are played. We encase ourselves in a fantasy world of good and evil. We choose our own paths and slay all that get in our way. This is the ideal way of playing a role playing game, is it not?
There's a reason that World of Warcraft and Facebook are complete polar opposites. One is a role playing game and the other is a social networking site. Real ID takes the role playing element out of the role playing game by providing players with personal information, how does this make any sense?
If people wanted to share their personal information with the world they would go to facebook, not play WoW.
People like to keep their personal information confidential (especially RPG gamers) and for good reason. Privacy is our right. It provides us with the assurance of safety both physically and financially. Blizzard is doing nothing more than exploiting this right.
I for one will speak with my wallet. If this Real ID move actually goes through despite the majority of players against it, it's goodbye to WoW. Why would I pay a company that's obviously stopped paying attention to its community?
Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
Originally posted by i00x00i We as gamers play RPG's to put ourselves in the shoes of another. Even if we do not, this is how RPG's are played. We encase ourselves in a fantasy world of good and evil. We choose our own paths and slay all that get in our way. This is the ideal way of playing a role playing game, is it not?There's a reason that World of Warcraft and Facebook are complete polar opposites. One is a role playing game and the other is a social networking site. Real ID takes the role playing element out of the role playing game by providing players with personal information, how does this make any sense?If people wanted to share their personal information with the world they would go to facebook, not play WoW.People like to keep their personal information confidential (especially RPG gamers) and for good reason. Privacy is our right. It provides us with the assurance of safety both physically and financially. Blizzard is doing nothing more than exploiting this right.I for one will speak with my wallet. If this Real ID move actually goes through despite the majority of players against it, it's goodbye to WoW. Why would I pay a company that's obviously stopped paying attention to its community?
Before saying the most part of the majority, you should take some step back and see if you arent just a few bunch,
your below signature in quote is'nt fit by the way, because I do love what Blizzard its trying to do and move the communoty of gamer ahaed in new way and try to change thing around the internet world as I like google, as I like linux, and more ...
If blizzard do that than maybe other FORUM of many other game going to turn like this. You seem to not understand that ID patern is'nt for the game itselft its for the FORUM your allowed to hide or unhided the caracthere your using so their no point in saying that will broke your " IN-Game privacy".
This is really simple, actually. Blizzard is opening themselves up to both lawsuits and criminal facilitation charges for each and every identity/account stolen because they provided a real name to go with the already huge database of personal information that criminals have gathered on their players. It isn’t just that they’re going to lose customers who don’t want their identities exposed by the place they go to enjoy themselves, it’s also that Blizzard has not right to make that information public. It’s a half step away from selling their customer database, which I wouldn’t doubt that they’ve done. They made it easier to hack accounts by making us use our email addresses, and with an email address and a name, people will be more exposed than I suspect they have ever been. The first criminal act done with information gained by Blizzard revealing names, and I have no doubt that the board of directors will be served as accomplices to the crimes.
Blizzard is making one of the most bone-headed decision, continuing with the flawed battle.net account to Real ID (in game real names - excuse me we play avatars why can't we have a user name?) now outing anyway in their Forum.
Why I'm against it?
1. ANY forum you post online in YOU 9/10x pick your user name and what details YOU chose to reveal. You have control.
2. Future/current employers, already use Facebook and other social networking to check on employees. Credit agencies, divorce lawyers and others are starting to as well.
3. Women and children - just what we need pedophiles having easier access to teens information online. Oh and women that really don't want to be stalked, too bad. I don't care if you're name is Jane Doe, all you need is the guy you talked to in vent or on the forum now, decide you must love him, so he'll find you. Piss someone off in PvP, gee I can know find you. Call it fear, yea women are afraid of being raped and stalked. I've met women in WoW that have been stalked, it is scary. I don't think guys really get that, unfortunately.
I could go on about my decision to not utilize RealID, but it's personal and I believe it people's right to privacy. I don't use my real name on any forums I use either, except for professional related ones. Fortunately, people have the option. You want put every detail out on the Internet it's your choice. But if you don't want to it should be your choice as well.
If blizzard do that than maybe other FORUM of many other game going to turn like this.
You seem to not understand that ID patern is'nt for the game itselft its for the FORUM your allowed to hide or unhided the caracthere your using so their no point in saying that will broke your " IN-Game privacy".
I don't want to see my personal information published by an entity that is available for anyone to casually browse. You don't even need to log in to read the forums, and therefore you won't need to log in to see the real names of the people posting there. With a little in-game knowledge about people, like thigs casually mentioned to others about where you might live, or even a region, and a name, someone can get all kinds of information about someone. Gone are the days where we think that Phone Books are a good idea. Most people I know haqve unlisted numbers for a good reason. After revealing his name on the forums, a Blizzard Employee had his life's story (as far as anyone wanting to steal his identity would be concerned) posted online. I don't think that's necessary. No business in their right mind would ever want to reveal customer details like that and make it easier for them to lose customers. Retail chains found this out in the mid 90's when they were scandalized for selling their customer databases to marketing firms. Blizzard is just begging to be sued with this maneuver.
Originally posted by Dracondis Originally posted by neosurfeur If blizzard do that than maybe other FORUM of many other game going to turn like this. You seem to not understand that ID patern is'nt for the game itselft its for the FORUM your allowed to hide or unhided the caracthere your using so their no point in saying that will broke your " IN-Game privacy".
I don't want to see my personal information published by an entity that is available for anyone to casually browse. You don't even need to log in to read the forums, and therefore you won't need to log in to see the real names of the people posting there. With a little in-game knowledge about people, like thigs casually mentioned to others about where you might live, or even a region, and a name, someone can get all kinds of information about someone. Gone are the days where we think that Phone Books are a good idea. Most people I know haqve unlisted numbers for a good reason. After revealing his name on the forums, a Blizzard Employee had his life's story (as far as anyone wanting to steal his identity would be concerned) posted online. I don't think that's necessary. No business in their right mind would ever want to reveal customer details like that and make it easier for them to lose customers. Retail chains found this out in the mid 90's when they were scandalized for selling their customer databases to marketing firms. Blizzard is just begging to be sued with this maneuver.
you distorted the informations that i gave ....
This solution will be available soon and some of you might be angry, but this wont resolve anything, your information Dracondis are already listed somewhere as soon you open your browser and move on any website, you IP adresse is logged into the website each time you post on a forum you have an IP adresse the best thing in the world would be to place an Strict IP to every house in the world who have access to the internet but this wont happend nearly so Blizzard going own their idea and making a move because if they waited after the world to have something change, it will be long.
You browsing with your IP adresse if you go again the laws you might be arrested by cops, FBI whatever they just need to send a fax to your FSI and ask information who was with this IP this day at this hour and there they know who you are and it could be take many days and hour to reach the time of an arrestation, but actually in a world where psychological attak or whatever you call them * trol, flame or irrespectale person* are in MASS*big quantitie, "IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE", you cant control that with the actual system. The internet was a trash in 80-90 years, because it was ugly as hell with no real webmaster and now our trouble is more related to psychological attak, and kind of trouble that is'nt related how the internet work but more how the user use it, so Blizzard want to make a descision to put some kind of resposability on the member when he want to post. ( Psychological attak, happend into many others subjects like, bullying at school, or young boy nerd rage and so on, in many other forum wich is'nt related to gaming industrie )
Facebook was the first biggest social network being used by many members its a double edge sword, and they been been in court for many reasons, and facebook still big and still working.
p.s: when you wanna "meet a boy or a girl", you move on a dating site. When you register , the website probably ask more information than Blizzard ,is does it bother you ??? I mean, im sure i can go to any house and open a garbage bag and i will found some informations about you.
Blizzard: Pioneering Facebook like privacy ideals.
It didn't work for Facebook, it's not going to work for Blizzard.
That's sort of what I thought on reading the article. here are the business suits that control Blizzard looking for a way to get into social networking culture in a bigger way. Upside for them is that they create a Blizzard way of life, and that means more possibilities for generating cash out of their player base beyond just trying to develop and sell cool games.
If you think that Blizzard has not watched and learned from what Facebook went through...well they would not be the top dog in making money if they did not take their time to stem as many legal issues as they can before they start this.
If you think that Blizzard has not watched and learned from what Facebook went through...well they would not be the top dog in making money if they did not take their time to stem as many legal issues as they can before they start this.
Normally I would agree with you, but I have a sense that we're seeing new kinds of business decisions since the Activision purchase. Blizzard is the one who made themselves "top dog" by growing WoW to 8 digit subscriber numbers with a big investment in the best developers and great design. Activision wants to turn this golden goose into a mighty golden eagle or something. It's possible they'll get a golden turkey instead - we'll see. All I know is that the MMO industry teaches some hard lessons to the great and small alike.
I think we should also be concerned with those using our REAL NAMES and email addresses to sign up for or participate in illegal internet activity. Yes, eventually it could be resolved in court or whatever, but who really wants to go through all that. The phishers are just drooling at the opportunity to get real names. An opt out would be the way to go. As for the forums, I am choosing to stay away from them. I don't post there anyways, so no loss for me.
Its all meant to be a GOOD idea until someone dies from it.
Lets see who gets sued here.
People have already died because of WoW. You don't see Blizzard going bankrupt now do you?
the difference being that if some one dies as a result from their first/last name being revealed BY blizztard and this idiotic new move then Blizzard would be liable. where before the psycho may not have had any clue as to who the person was otehr than "pawnzurface", with the new ID he knows pawnzurface is really john doe wich he can then use to find out where he lives ect ect.
and i don't think anyone in their right mind believes this is being done to clean up the forums.
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Problem with the web at the moment, you have to be extremely careful what you post because if you are not, it will come back and haunt you.
Won't be surprised when a future presidential candidate gets in deep trouble because of something they posted on a forum years prior.
Sad thing is, many of our younger net users don't have a thought in posting what they think. Using real names just compounds the issue.
Free speech is a strange thing, it has it's negatives along with the positives.
Im missing something with this argument on personal security, for instance my name is John Somers now you don't know where I live in the world, my address, my phone number, how old I am, for that matter anything other then im a male. I suppose you could do some name searches online for example Yellow Pages or people search to get an idea but how many results would you get?
Obviously there is some names that are very unique, maybe someone can shed some light on this for me in understanding how this is any different then introducing your self to someone on the phone, facebook, twitter, even myspace?
"Hey John, how's it going. Remember me? We're in the guild "Super Awesome Nightelf Dance Team". Anyhow, I saw you were on facebook so I thought i'd send you a friend request. My character is <random name from armory that is in the guild>"
Now, that message would probably go to a lot of Johns before they got the right one, but with a more uniqe name, you can see that this might open up an opportunity for social engineering. When combined with facebook, the location, email, etc can become easily available.
This is just a scenario off the top of my head and that I had posted previously in one of these threads. As I said previously, someone more motivated can probably think of a hundred more ways to leverage this information to streamline their efforts.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I'm thrilled that they are doing this to the forums.
Now people can actually go to the forums without being trolled by every sarcastic smart-ass persona that jumps between youtube comments and WoW forum tabs.
At least I hope this curves the amount of crap spewed out by the community. I'd be all for MMORPG.com requiring it as well, this site isn't far behind the WoW community site. I wouldn't mind my real name being shown as I don't assault people on a 5 minute basis.
They're idiots...
First Blizz fails with the Battlenet crap(using your email address as your login name)...
And the number of hacked accounts goes up...
And, now they want to make your real name public?
Why do people keep throwing money at them fools?
And you dont seem to rly understand what it could bring versus the rly poor probability of being account hacked of you game.
I mean you have probably no information or anything interesting in your life or even around yourself that could be enought important for someone to try to dig your personal information, i mean without creating a personal website and gaving us ur PIN number, or you KSSID or whatever the sercurity number of your country or a list of your in-game password for eveygame you own , your just normal as we are all.
So only few angry boy or girl with their own life going to be real burden ( and it probably around 0.0000001 % ) of all the communoty into any game.
p.s: over 13 year of mmo experience in any game I never geeen hacked.
Those who are hackey are those wich they dont even know what they doing and compromising their information.
We as gamers play RPG's to put ourselves in the shoes of another. Even if we do not, this is how RPG's are played. We encase ourselves in a fantasy world of good and evil. We choose our own paths and slay all that get in our way. This is the ideal way of playing a role playing game, is it not?
There's a reason that World of Warcraft and Facebook are complete polar opposites. One is a role playing game and the other is a social networking site. Real ID takes the role playing element out of the role playing game by providing players with personal information, how does this make any sense?
If people wanted to share their personal information with the world they would go to facebook, not play WoW.
People like to keep their personal information confidential (especially RPG gamers) and for good reason. Privacy is our right. It provides us with the assurance of safety both physically and financially. Blizzard is doing nothing more than exploiting this right.
I for one will speak with my wallet. If this Real ID move actually goes through despite the majority of players against it, it's goodbye to WoW. Why would I pay a company that's obviously stopped paying attention to its community?
Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
Before saying the most part of the majority, you should take some step back and see if you arent just a few bunch,
your below signature in quote is'nt fit by the way, because I do love what Blizzard its trying to do and move the communoty of gamer ahaed in new way and try to change thing around the internet world as I like google, as I like linux, and more ...
If blizzard do that than maybe other FORUM of many other game going to turn like this.
You seem to not understand that ID patern is'nt for the game itselft its for the FORUM your allowed to hide or unhided the caracthere your using so their no point in saying that will broke your " IN-Game privacy".
This is really simple, actually. Blizzard is opening themselves up to both lawsuits and criminal facilitation charges for each and every identity/account stolen because they provided a real name to go with the already huge database of personal information that criminals have gathered on their players. It isn’t just that they’re going to lose customers who don’t want their identities exposed by the place they go to enjoy themselves, it’s also that Blizzard has not right to make that information public. It’s a half step away from selling their customer database, which I wouldn’t doubt that they’ve done. They made it easier to hack accounts by making us use our email addresses, and with an email address and a name, people will be more exposed than I suspect they have ever been. The first criminal act done with information gained by Blizzard revealing names, and I have no doubt that the board of directors will be served as accomplices to the crimes.
Blizzard is making one of the most bone-headed decision, continuing with the flawed battle.net account to Real ID (in game real names - excuse me we play avatars why can't we have a user name?) now outing anyway in their Forum.
Why I'm against it?
1. ANY forum you post online in YOU 9/10x pick your user name and what details YOU chose to reveal. You have control.
2. Future/current employers, already use Facebook and other social networking to check on employees. Credit agencies, divorce lawyers and others are starting to as well.
3. Women and children - just what we need pedophiles having easier access to teens information online. Oh and women that really don't want to be stalked, too bad. I don't care if you're name is Jane Doe, all you need is the guy you talked to in vent or on the forum now, decide you must love him, so he'll find you. Piss someone off in PvP, gee I can know find you. Call it fear, yea women are afraid of being raped and stalked. I've met women in WoW that have been stalked, it is scary. I don't think guys really get that, unfortunately.
I could go on about my decision to not utilize RealID, but it's personal and I believe it people's right to privacy. I don't use my real name on any forums I use either, except for professional related ones. Fortunately, people have the option. You want put every detail out on the Internet it's your choice. But if you don't want to it should be your choice as well.
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I don't want to see my personal information published by an entity that is available for anyone to casually browse. You don't even need to log in to read the forums, and therefore you won't need to log in to see the real names of the people posting there. With a little in-game knowledge about people, like thigs casually mentioned to others about where you might live, or even a region, and a name, someone can get all kinds of information about someone. Gone are the days where we think that Phone Books are a good idea. Most people I know haqve unlisted numbers for a good reason. After revealing his name on the forums, a Blizzard Employee had his life's story (as far as anyone wanting to steal his identity would be concerned) posted online. I don't think that's necessary. No business in their right mind would ever want to reveal customer details like that and make it easier for them to lose customers. Retail chains found this out in the mid 90's when they were scandalized for selling their customer databases to marketing firms. Blizzard is just begging to be sued with this maneuver.
you distorted the informations that i gave ....
This solution will be available soon and some of you might be angry, but this wont resolve anything, your information Dracondis are already listed somewhere as soon you open your browser and move on any website, you IP adresse is logged into the website each time you post on a forum you have an IP adresse the best thing in the world would be to place an Strict IP to every house in the world who have access to the internet but this wont happend nearly so Blizzard going own their idea and making a move because if they waited after the world to have something change, it will be long.
You browsing with your IP adresse if you go again the laws you might be arrested by cops, FBI whatever they just need to send a fax to your FSI and ask information who was with this IP this day at this hour and there they know who you are and it could be take many days and hour to reach the time of an arrestation, but actually in a world where psychological attak or whatever you call them * trol, flame or irrespectale person* are in MASS*big quantitie, "IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE", you cant control that with the actual system. The internet was a trash in 80-90 years, because it was ugly as hell with no real webmaster and now our trouble is more related to psychological attak, and kind of trouble that is'nt related how the internet work but more how the user use it, so Blizzard want to make a descision to put some kind of resposability on the member when he want to post.
( Psychological attak, happend into many others subjects like, bullying at school, or young boy nerd rage and so on, in many other forum wich is'nt related to gaming industrie )
Facebook was the first biggest social network being used by many members its a double edge sword, and they been been in court for many reasons, and facebook still big and still working.
p.s: when you wanna "meet a boy or a girl", you move on a dating site. When you register , the website probably ask more information than Blizzard ,is does it bother you ??? I mean, im sure i can go to any house and open a garbage bag and i will found some informations about you.
That's sort of what I thought on reading the article. here are the business suits that control Blizzard looking for a way to get into social networking culture in a bigger way. Upside for them is that they create a Blizzard way of life, and that means more possibilities for generating cash out of their player base beyond just trying to develop and sell cool games.I can't wait until they have to deal with the Canadian Privacy Commissioner. Facebook was certainly humbled by her.
Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines
If you think that Blizzard has not watched and learned from what Facebook went through...well they would not be the top dog in making money if they did not take their time to stem as many legal issues as they can before they start this.
Normally I would agree with you, but I have a sense that we're seeing new kinds of business decisions since the Activision purchase. Blizzard is the one who made themselves "top dog" by growing WoW to 8 digit subscriber numbers with a big investment in the best developers and great design. Activision wants to turn this golden goose into a mighty golden eagle or something. It's possible they'll get a golden turkey instead - we'll see. All I know is that the MMO industry teaches some hard lessons to the great and small alike.
I think we should also be concerned with those using our REAL NAMES and email addresses to sign up for or participate in illegal internet activity. Yes, eventually it could be resolved in court or whatever, but who really wants to go through all that. The phishers are just drooling at the opportunity to get real names. An opt out would be the way to go. As for the forums, I am choosing to stay away from them. I don't post there anyways, so no loss for me.
Well, Blizzard very publicly backed off from the Forum real names policy today. So we'll defer our worries.
the difference being that if some one dies as a result from their first/last name being revealed BY blizztard and this idiotic new move then Blizzard would be liable. where before the psycho may not have had any clue as to who the person was otehr than "pawnzurface", with the new ID he knows pawnzurface is really john doe wich he can then use to find out where he lives ect ect.
and i don't think anyone in their right mind believes this is being done to clean up the forums.
Yeah they would be as liable as the phonebook.