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EVE Online: PLEX Changes Coming
SBFord
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In a new developer blog post on the official EVE Online site, players are being let in on changes coming to the PLEX (Pilot License Extension) in-game item and redeeming systems. The changes boil down the the removal of a bunch of restrictions.
Developers take some time answering likely questions and concerns.
Are you crazy? Do you know how many people will emoragequit when they're ganked with PLEX in their cargo?
Maybe we're a little crazy, yes, but we truly think the benefits outweigh the risks here. One of them is to combat the perception that PLEX is a more valuable item than others in the game which, of course, it isn't (anyone who has lost a titan/carrier/T2 BS/etc knows this full well). Among the risks of course is that people will start losing PLEXs' en masse and cancel their subscriptions. We will be monitoring that extremely closely as well as all other aspects of PLEX trade/usage patterns. Remember, we're not forcing anyone to undock with PLEX, in fact we're making things a little bit safer (if people choose to use the option) by allowing redeeming of PLEX to all stations instead of just NPC stations. The choice and risk is always at the discretion of the player, just like it should be.
Changes will go into effect on July 13th. Read the full post here.
Thanks for the heads up, Cosy!
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Hrmmm..... well, I don't use the plex system (I pay for my subs still) so I can't really comment on its impact, but I'm sure others will have strong feelings about it.
Not sure I really understand their thinking on this, but then again, I'm not a drunken icelander so not surprising. (just kidding)
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PLEX = 30 day free subscription item?
I can kill others and loot this item?
holy sheet!
I don't like the advocates of eve on mmorpg very much, but I like the game.
These guys have cojones.
well nobody in their right mind would risk carrying valueable items (including plex) in a ship that is easy to get blown or in risky conditions.
doesnt change anything from my point of view.
if you are too rich to not care or to stupid you deserve it, like everything in EvE.
if you are a noobie and u dont know the risks.... again like everything in EvE you deseve it.
this game never showed mercy to anyone.
All your PLEX are belong to us?
EDIT: That means: "I approve!". So slap a stamp on it and ship it.
Big props to CCP for treating all in-game items the same and for continuing to foster a player-driven economy.
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Am I missing something, why would someone travel around with PLEX in their cargo. What would be the reason?
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Now they should run an event called the Wild Plex Chase and load some fast ship with a Plex and let people chase it down, woot.
There are a number of players who live exclusively in 0.0 space with no NPC stations around. Now there is a way for traders to sell them PLEX in game.
(T)Hank(s)
1. make PLEXes destroyable (loot damage blabla)
2. say something about: lol no special stuff for it anymore!
3. PLEX gets destroyed that someone bought for real money
4. Player feels bad and CCP just got free money
5. ???
6. PROFIT!
Stealthed in profit method, nothign more. I still approve of this anyway.
Since PLEX effects are account wide they can just simply have an alt in empire space and buy PLEX with them.
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Buy PLEX via contract, activate remotely. Or as the previous guy said, use an alt in empire to buy a PLEX from the market.
A PLEX is nothing else then an item worth around 300 million ISK. If this doens't blow up or drop as loot, when stored in your cargo, then why should my officer-mods blow up or drop as loot, that are worth a billion ISK sometimes?
Nobody forces you to carry a PLEX around, you can buy and activate them in total safety of an empire-station still.
Actually, this sounds pretty interesting. I may have to give EvE another shot. I like the risk factor, but the actual gameplay bugged me. It probably still will, but what the heck?
You have an alt on the account in high-sec. Transfer iskies to alt. Alt purchases. Alt applies to account. Null sec main goes on living a happy go lucky life.
Um, all in all - this seems rather pointless.
edit: Lol, said a few times - that will teach me to hit quote, walk away for a little, and then come back.
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hmmm, not really gonna affect me either... but here's a thought: We all know how tilted against noobs this game is, probably one of the hardest games to get into that exists. The only people that are ever gonna get pwned with PLEX in their cargo holds are... THE NOOBS! nobody with some experience will ever risk such valuable item by flying around with it for no reason. So, why create another game mechanic that could make noobs ragequit when you're trying to reach a bigger audience?
A Wild Plex Chase would be fun
Aside from the reasons already mentioned, the people that play the PLEX market can now buy low in one area and sell them for higher in another.
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To those saying it's "pointless": that's what CCP is hoping for. This is basically an aesthetic change. They don't want the PLEX to be seen as a "special" item anymore, so they're removing its "special" limitations. Now it's just like any other ~300m ISK item out there, so same rules apply.
Of course, it may not be 300m for long after the changes, so I'll be hunting for the best price.
Moving it to another station where you can sell for a higher price. You can make a living on the market doing just this with various items. Things vary in price in different parts of the universe.
Moving it to your alliances sovergn space for corp members who can't fly in high security space because they are criminals.
This is an excerpt from my post in the dev blog (yeah I'm lazy and tired)...
The changes don't affect anything that is currently in place. You don't HAVE to move your PLEX and can redeem them from anywhere in the universe. If someone does actually decide to move their PLEX whether for the chance of greater profit by reselling or simply to store them someplace else, they do so knowing full well what the risk is - they could very well lose every PLEX on the ship.
As for the fear (or hope) that the bottom will drop out of the market, it just won't happen. As much risk as there will be, there will still be those market players who will chance it. But they won't be moving all of their PLEX to the hubs. PLEX will start to show up at out of the way spots, in low-sec, and in 0.0, most likely at inflated prices, in the hopes of selling them to the outlaws and pirates who have difficulty getting to the hubs. The hubs' prices themselves will fluctuate up and down for awhile as the market players jockey for the best prices and quick sales, but due to more PLEX heading to the outer regions and only the most daring (or stupid depending on the situation) actually moving PLEX, the volume in the hubs may actually drop thus causing the price to eventiually settle higher than it is currently.
Finally, the idea that CCP sees this as a way to make a few extra bucks is ludicrous. I'd wager that very few PLEX will actually end up being destroyed since not many are going to risk moving them and losing them to gankers and pirates, and many that do get caught carrying them will almost certainly be willing to pay a handsome ransom rather than see their PLEX destroyed or looted. Granted, the few that do actually get destroyed is free money to CCP but it's just a drop in the bucket compared to all of the monthly subscriptions. So they make a few extra bucks. That's just more money that can go into developement and bug fixes.
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this is totally pointless. it is so easily to have an alter toon in high sec (ie. Jita) then apply the PLEX, Who would pay for it at higher price in 0.0 space? Not sure what this will change the game. Transport PLEX into 0.0 space is just pure stupid. Very few people have all three character slots filled with toons who exclusivlely live in low sec/0.0. In fact, most of the pirates have alters to buy ships/mods from high sec then transport to low sec. Unless CCP made one charcter slot per account, this is just another waste of time. CCP always do this. It is like taking off pants just to fart. lol Nobody is going to rage quit because everybody got 3 character slots per account. Maybe CCP just want to free up some item indexing from their database. One less attribute in database means less load on the server.
Maybe the over crowdness in Jita prompted CCP to try to reduce the reason for people to go into Jita. To be honest, CCP could just introduce an item deliver service with some fee to allow people receive items from 2-6 system away via NPC corp such as Interbus. The longer the distance, the more it costs for the deilver fee. A good money sink that is much more in character and much less traffic in trade hub (ie. Jita).
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Well, as far as I could perhaps tell from my limited EVE-xperience...
- Players are currently taking PLEX around the universe with only their, probably quite cheap, ships to lose, because PLEX is a 'special' item that can't be destroyed/looted/whatever.
- This is making trading of PLEX a bit unrealistic, it's like saying gold is special, if you raid my caravan, you can take all of my silver, my food, my horses, you can even destroy the caravan, but the gold stays with me and can never be destroyed no matter how much you burn my body.
- Removing this initial safety measure (as, when they first introduced PLEX, they likely knew they were already dipping their feet into dangerous ground) will make PLEX an item just like any other, that can be taken from players or destroyed, removing that wierd safety net that made players really enjoy sending in cheap ships with PLEX onboard into low sec space for easy cash
I am playing EVE and it's alright... level V skills are a bit much.
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Like peviously states, this is not big news. They just wanna fix the PLEX so its like any other items. And if someone quit after losing a 300m item... well then i hope they atleast had fun all of the 1 month they played.
GG
it's just cosmetics. it underlines "EVE is a harsh place". there is only one reason to move PLEX: make more ISK by selling it. as such, it's no different than any other 300mil ISK worth cargo.
PLEX wil still be useable at distance. it can be contracted just as any other item. only people that might lose PLEX are greedy and/or stupid.
You apparently haven't 'played' the market in EVE. People will buy items regardless of other options if it saves them time and hassel and if the price is right. As an example, I and my brother move shuttles (and other items) from Empire space to specific locations in low-sec and 0.0 space. We buy these items at prices ranging from 5,000 ISK to no more than 12,000 ISK but we resell them at 75,000 to 125,000 ISK! They sell like hotcakes even though, as you suggest, those purchasers could just as easily use an alt and move them out themselves. But the time saved is worth the added cost to those players. The same will hold true for PLEX. There will be those who will pay a bit more for the convenience of not having to bother with an alt.
As for your statement that I highlighted, just where exactly did you get your 'facts'? There are many players who don't bother with alts at all nor have a second or more accounts. Those that do and who play in 0.0 space usually don't even bother with Empire space and the carebears. The distinction between high-sec and 0.0 is like two different games for many, if not most, players. As for the pirates in low-sec, some do have alts to use as you suggest, but most simply rely on their skills, contracts, and market players to get their goods as I pointed out in my example. I know this because one of my accounts is in fact an outlaw account although I am one of the minority who does use more than one account (three atm) with all three slots used in all accounts. Even with my resources, I still will often spend a bit more for an item if it is convenient rather than take the time to move it myself. PLEX WILL move to the outer regions and WILL sell for a nice profit. I guarantee it. That's just the way EVE operates.
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You have obviously never bought nor sold PLEX and couldn't even take a few minutes to read up on it before posting. Currently players cannot undock with PLEX in their cargoholds so of course there is no way to destroy or loot PLEX since it cannot leave the station from which it is created/purchased.
Why do people post nonsense about things they know nothing about?
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There are other reasons to move PLEX, the most obvious being that you cannot redeem PLEX from within wormhole space if the PLEX is on the other side which currently is always the case (a note here - I am assuming that this is the case since everything works this way in wormholes including not being able to use jump clones. If I'm wrong about the PLEX, which I don't think I am, then please enlighten me). It isn't clear yet whether PLEX will be redeemable if it's moved into WH space, but if it is, there will be a market there as well as people just wanting to move it in for later use. There are other reasons as well, but granted the chance of profit will be the main reason to do so.
I do agree that with this change PLEX is no different than any other cargo of similar value, so why is trying to make a profit from selling PLEX greedy or stupid? PLEX is just another commodity along with ores, mods, ships, skill books, blueprints, etc. and everyone tries to make a profit from selling these items in order to buy the items that they need to play the game. If there is a better market for your PLEX somewhere other than where it is currently located, then why not move it just as you would with any other item? Yeah, there will be those who are stupid enough to move their PLEX in the main cargohold of a slow ship where it can be scanned and ganked/pirated, or move it through a dangerous bottleneck or gate without first checking to see if there is a camp on the other side, but that happens with any other commodity as well.
As stated, PLEX will still be usable from a distance so if you aren't looking to resell for a profit or have another reason to move it that outweighs the risk, then let it where it is or use it. But those that do decide to move their PLEX for whatever reason are neither greedy nor stupid (in most cases). They are just playing the game.
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