There appear to be quite a few that can't handle the truth, even when its slapped across their face and plain as day, they still call foul and then post reinterpreted thoughts of only what their mind will accept. Like my amusing discussion in the controls thread last night...
meh i don't think those requirements are high on todays standards. I got FFXI when it first came out on my piece of crap computer at the time it looked too amazing to be running on my computer at the time... but it did.
Eh most are calling BS on the system requirements because their Walmart pre-built PCs for WoW are not good enough to run FFXIV.
And why such high system requirement, cause FFXIV is for the men and women of gaming that own high-end PCs. Just wait until next year and play it on the PS3 which is about as equivalent in price to the crap you already own....hehe ^PC^ Seriously though, building your on high-end PC is far cheaper than most think, but it does require a lot of reading to understand it all properly and get all the parts that work together. {sadly though, and judging by my times in WoW, and how nobody read anything, I see that as a hugh issue for most~!}
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Its looking like Im gonna wait and see how it runs on what I have, before I spend anymore money.
I'm in your linkshell btw Khrymson
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Currently playing:
FFXIV on Behemoth, FFXI on Eden, and Gloria Victis on NA.
Eh most are calling BS on the system requirements because their Walmart pre-built PCs for WoW are not good enough to run FFXIV.
And why such high system requirement, cause FFXIV is for the men and women of gaming that own high-end PCs. Just wait until next year and play it on the PS3 which is about as equivalent in price to the crap you already own....hehe ^PC^ Seriously though, building your on high-end PC is far cheaper than most think, but it does require a lot of reading to understand it all properly and get all the parts that work together. {sadly though, and judging by my times in WoW, and how nobody read anything, I see that as a hugh issue for most~!}
PC snobbery at its finest. For an average gamer who may be interested in trying FFXIV at launch (arguably the most important period of an MMOs life), the system requirements are daunting. I don't have the best computer. It's pretty average in every way, but it can handle any recent title well enough. The FFXIV benchmark basically gave me a middle finger and said, "You will not play FFXIV on your PC." I really want to play FFXIV, but it's not worth a minimum of a $1k+ investment for a single title.
I could give two shits about learning how to put together PCs. It's not that I'm lazy. I'm simply not interested. Repairing cars isn't hard either, but there's a lot of people who would never bother to learn. If I wanted a new PC built, I'd just pay a guy like you to do it for me.
Well at this point the game is not optimized so its natural that you need a powerful rig to run it. Then again there is also the fact that the japanese arent really into PC gaming so who knows how much actual experiance they have making games for the platform.
Well at this point the game is not optimized so its natural that you need a powerful rig to run it. Then again there is also the fact that the japanese arent really into PC gaming so who knows how much actual experiance they have making games for the platform.
They are a more console heavy community, however they do have some really good MMOs that have never been released outside Japan, namely the Monster Hunter Frontier, and Front Mission Online, and at least 5-6 others developed by SE, but they're all IP blocked, and if you're caught playing the game, {even a single english letter uttered} the community will report you immediately and you'll get banned.
As for PC snobbery, maybe...but I am proud of taking the time to learn how to build PCs 10yrs ago, as its saved me a ton of money keeping up to date, plus most my life revolves on it, thus having it as high-end as I can afford is a must at all times. I also know a good deal about working on vehicles and have helped my father in restoring some old cars dated back too 1928...
Eh most are calling BS on the system requirements because their Walmart pre-built PCs for WoW are not good enough to run FFXIV.
And why such high system requirement, cause FFXIV is for the men and women of gaming that own high-end PCs. Just wait until next year and play it on the PS3 which is about as equivalent in price to the crap you already own....hehe ^PC^ Seriously though, building your on high-end PC is far cheaper than most think, but it does require a lot of reading to understand it all properly and get all the parts that work together. {sadly though, and judging by my times in WoW, and how nobody read anything, I see that as a hugh issue for most~!}
Oh get over yourself, you claim wizardy is in denial when really his opinion seems closer to reality when it comes to system requirments than most here.
Have you played the Beta? My Q6600 @ 2.8 ghz, 3gb RAM, ATI HD 5700 (Overclocked to nearly double.) chug like hell, the current state is appauling, I run Metro 2033 DX11, Crysis DX10, Stalker CoP DX11 fine on maximum on my 1920 x 1080p screen.
The needless ammount of love people are giving square-enix is laughable. they have always given us poorly ported games, with bad control schemes. So far, this is no exception.
The game is beautiful... but not that beuatiful.... no way in hell should it chug on a medium range sysem let alone whats considered "enthusiast" now, your no better than "WoW Players" mate... not in the slightest for liking this game or building your own PC. Fact of the matter is, this game is incredible badly coded as it stands.
It is just that these "lol, time to get rid of your C64, mate!" statements are not new. I can think of 3 other MMOs, who tried to be ahead of their time named EQ2, Vanguard and AoC.
I can think of 3 other MMOs, who tried to be ahead of their time named EQ2, Vanguard and AoC.
More like they tried to not be behind their time.
You mean like FFXIV? I dont see anything that is ahead of its time. Im not buying Sqaure-Enix's marketing hype, I want this game to be great, but the beta reveals horrific performance and a control scheme that just isnt right by any means. Im not going to buy the "future" excuse, if that was true they would be using engines like Cryengine 2/3 which already have MMOs under development on it that would smoke FFXIVs graphics.
It is just that these "lol, time to get rid of your C64, mate!" statements are not new. I can think of 3 other MMOs, who tried to be ahead of their time named EQ2, Vanguard and AoC.
PC gaming has been dying for about thirty years now because people have to upgrade their systems once in a while to stay current.
People keep trotting out WoW and similar games that run on old computers. Back in 2004 WoW would barely run on an average midrange computer, especially in highly populated areas (aka Lagforge, or pretty much any 40-man raid), I don't think its a fair comparison.
This game is being pitched at gamers, not the big casual market that sprung up with WoW and doesn't seem interested in going anywhere else. The usual PC gamer has a rig they built themselves for around half of what an equivilent store-bought PC would cost and can get games to run on under-spec'd computers anyway. It's a strategy and a market that's worked for decades, I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.
All that said, if you really don't want to upgrade, there's a PS3 version following up after a few months. Consoles are great for cheap gaming, they always have been. Just get that instead, I really don't see what the big controversy is. It's not like Crysis was a couple years back that dares you to try and run it with a good framerate on anything other than the minimum settings.
You mean like FFXIV? I dont see anything that is ahead of its time.
Well guess what, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Ah I see, but it begs the question, while its not trying to, why is its system requirements trying to be far beyond what they should be? its incredible frustrating -_-
You mean like FFXIV? I dont see anything that is ahead of its time.
Well guess what, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Ah I see, but it begs the question, while its not trying to, why is its system requirements trying to be far beyond what they should be? its incredible frustrating -_-
because they want the game to last longer for farther tech. so it doesnt become outdated gfx wise like wow did so fast
You mean like FFXIV? I dont see anything that is ahead of its time.
Well guess what, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Ah I see, but it begs the question, while its not trying to, why is its system requirements trying to be far beyond what they should be? its incredible frustrating -_-
because they want the game to last longer for farther tech. so it doesnt become outdated gfx wise like wow did so fast
It still doesnt make any sense, im sorry I call that mindless marketing and PR.
The heavy requirments shouldnt hit until these "Farther tech" features are implemented, until then the current software this runs on should not be running at the horrible level it is now.
Granted im one of the ATI users, but pretty much the majority of people testing this find it unplayable.
You mean like FFXIV? I dont see anything that is ahead of its time.
Well guess what, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Ah I see, but it begs the question, while its not trying to, why is its system requirements trying to be far beyond what they should be? its incredible frustrating -_-
because they want the game to last longer for farther tech. so it doesnt become outdated gfx wise like wow did so fast
It still doesnt make any sense, im sorry I call that mindless marketing and PR.
The heavy requirments shouldnt hit until these "Farther tech" features are implemented, until then the current software this runs on should not be running at the horrible level it is now.
Granted im one of the ATI users, but pretty much the majority of people testing this find it unplayable.
There is no excuse, it is royally messed up.
Yeah well for some pretty obvious reasons that doesn't work now does it?
Just think about the players who suddenly couldn't play anymore cause there pcs wouldn't meet the requirements anymore??
I mean dude come on cant u see how they all would be furious if that would happen?? (and with right tho)
If u want as an Company that your game lasts longer u have no other choice as to set the standards high this way ppls might be able to play the game at the begin even with lower machines before the "Farther tech" but once it hit u can not and u cant do anything about it course u were told at the begin what kind of machine u would need to run the game.
I am not a Lawyer or anything but i wouldn't be surprised if it would even be illegal to do it your way sell a game and 6 month later half of the players cant play anymore because they updated the game and now your pc cant handle it anymore??
And for all of u saying that the game doesn't run good in the Beta well guys thats what the Beta is there for u know figure out what has to be fixed and fix it.....
Besides just judging from the Beta requirements SE listed on there side its not really that high now is it??
I really think the issue around this is being a bit dramatized.
Hopefully we're all pretty aware that the benchmark is not good at all for measuring whether your computer can run it, you can't even configure it to tone down graphics to see what will run for you.
Running max settings will obviously be a strain for even good rig's, but i'm sure toning down certain settings will make the game playable by today's standard gaming rig.
FFXI was around for 8 years, and in that 8 years we got dual core's, quad core's 3gig+ processors.
Graphic cards went from millions to billions of texture fill rate, more ram, and processing power.
What they are doing is looking toward the future and saying lets make it the best a computer can run now so in 8 years you can say this is still a pretty great game with graphics. In a few years dual cores and quad cores will be old and youll be happy they made the requirments high.
Trust me, youll be happy they did this in not even a year from now.
.... You cant just pretend Square Enix is going to overhaul the graphics of a game where half if not more of thier player base is also going to be aimed at the console market. What theyve done is rushed FFXIV out the door for the PC, knowing the platforms competition coming from Catacalysm, Guild Wars 2 and ToR next year.
The beta has been self-destructive to say the least, alittle fact of the matter, a good portion, hell I would be bold enough to say the majority of beta testers are people that just signed up to "Demo" it. and while that is ofcourse wrong, even the testers that actually want to contribute are bewildered by the lack of performance.
My System runs every game out max (except ridiculous things like ARMA 2 insane resolution textures.) and FFXIV is unplayable. there being no "Hardware Mouse" option aswell is just.... well....
How are you suppose to test something that is so broken?
There is no magical overhaul, i mean yea you can counter this statement by saying "How do you know? you see the future?" .. mate, look at the game, play the beta, there is nothing in this game that warrants the incredible poor performance.
No the beta specs are not hard to beat, but beating them is pointless because they are not accurate.
I totally understand how someone might not be able to upgrade, but save that money up and take those cans in, detassle corn this summer, what ever it takes, if its important enough, like the nintendo was to me when it first came out, youll get it upgraded or new.
Go on craigslist, I see great computers on there all the time for only 50 bucks. youll be happy you did.
Sony is shooting themselves in the foot. The last game that was highly anticpated that attempted to future proof itself was AOC. The other fail was EQ2. Now see where all that shiny futureproof bs got them.
The FFIV forums will be full of bitching from those who try to play at high settings and those that will quit because they can't.
When rigs are powerful enough to play FFIV at max settings flawlessly, better games will be available, people will have moved on and FFIV will be old news. It will be the best looking old hooker on the street. She'll look good but still be old.
A big reason why wow is so successful are the low system requirements. Low requirements = more people can play = more money = win. Simple formula and sony should learn from that.
Having high requirements alienates people and doesn't do anything but put money in the pockets of vid card manufacturers and put an eye candy whore smile on the few that have the money to waste on a new card.
It'd be funny to see the very same people crying over theoretical system specs picketing in front of a Ferrari dealership to have their prices dropped.
This company knows what it's in for and obviously it seems to be for the long run. You need to either:
- Do what it takes to meet said beta specs ( a dual 2.0 and a 9600, come on..)
- Wait for the PS3 release.
- Suck it up like an adult and find a title that plays on your rig.
It's sad to say, but the world owes you nothing. Progress will be made whether you resist or not.
All the opposition seems to come from seemingly jilted, bitter individuals. It's all futile ranting really.
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There appear to be quite a few that can't handle the truth, even when its slapped across their face and plain as day, they still call foul and then post reinterpreted thoughts of only what their mind will accept. Like my amusing discussion in the controls thread last night...
meh i don't think those requirements are high on todays standards. I got FFXI when it first came out on my piece of crap computer at the time it looked too amazing to be running on my computer at the time... but it did.
Eh most are calling BS on the system requirements because their Walmart pre-built PCs for WoW are not good enough to run FFXIV.
And why such high system requirement, cause FFXIV is for the men and women of gaming that own high-end PCs. Just wait until next year and play it on the PS3 which is about as equivalent in price to the crap you already own....hehe ^PC^ Seriously though, building your on high-end PC is far cheaper than most think, but it does require a lot of reading to understand it all properly and get all the parts that work together. {sadly though, and judging by my times in WoW, and how nobody read anything, I see that as a hugh issue for most~!}
Its looking like Im gonna wait and see how it runs on what I have, before I spend anymore money.
I'm in your linkshell btw Khrymson
www.facebook.com/themarksmovierules
Currently playing:
FFXIV on Behemoth, FFXI on Eden, and Gloria Victis on NA.
I see, what do you have and I can give ya a good idea how it'll run!
PC snobbery at its finest. For an average gamer who may be interested in trying FFXIV at launch (arguably the most important period of an MMOs life), the system requirements are daunting. I don't have the best computer. It's pretty average in every way, but it can handle any recent title well enough. The FFXIV benchmark basically gave me a middle finger and said, "You will not play FFXIV on your PC." I really want to play FFXIV, but it's not worth a minimum of a $1k+ investment for a single title.
I could give two shits about learning how to put together PCs. It's not that I'm lazy. I'm simply not interested. Repairing cars isn't hard either, but there's a lot of people who would never bother to learn. If I wanted a new PC built, I'd just pay a guy like you to do it for me.
Well at this point the game is not optimized so its natural that you need a powerful rig to run it. Then again there is also the fact that the japanese arent really into PC gaming so who knows how much actual experiance they have making games for the platform.
They are a more console heavy community, however they do have some really good MMOs that have never been released outside Japan, namely the Monster Hunter Frontier, and Front Mission Online, and at least 5-6 others developed by SE, but they're all IP blocked, and if you're caught playing the game, {even a single english letter uttered} the community will report you immediately and you'll get banned.
As for PC snobbery, maybe...but I am proud of taking the time to learn how to build PCs 10yrs ago, as its saved me a ton of money keeping up to date, plus most my life revolves on it, thus having it as high-end as I can afford is a must at all times. I also know a good deal about working on vehicles and have helped my father in restoring some old cars dated back too 1928...
Oh get over yourself, you claim wizardy is in denial when really his opinion seems closer to reality when it comes to system requirments than most here.
Have you played the Beta? My Q6600 @ 2.8 ghz, 3gb RAM, ATI HD 5700 (Overclocked to nearly double.) chug like hell, the current state is appauling, I run Metro 2033 DX11, Crysis DX10, Stalker CoP DX11 fine on maximum on my 1920 x 1080p screen.
The needless ammount of love people are giving square-enix is laughable. they have always given us poorly ported games, with bad control schemes. So far, this is no exception.
The game is beautiful... but not that beuatiful.... no way in hell should it chug on a medium range sysem let alone whats considered "enthusiast" now, your no better than "WoW Players" mate... not in the slightest for liking this game or building your own PC. Fact of the matter is, this game is incredible badly coded as it stands.
It is just that these "lol, time to get rid of your C64, mate!" statements are not new. I can think of 3 other MMOs, who tried to be ahead of their time named EQ2, Vanguard and AoC.
More like they tried to not be behind their time.
You mean like FFXIV? I dont see anything that is ahead of its time. Im not buying Sqaure-Enix's marketing hype, I want this game to be great, but the beta reveals horrific performance and a control scheme that just isnt right by any means. Im not going to buy the "future" excuse, if that was true they would be using engines like Cryengine 2/3 which already have MMOs under development on it that would smoke FFXIVs graphics.
PC gaming has been dying for about thirty years now because people have to upgrade their systems once in a while to stay current.
People keep trotting out WoW and similar games that run on old computers. Back in 2004 WoW would barely run on an average midrange computer, especially in highly populated areas (aka Lagforge, or pretty much any 40-man raid), I don't think its a fair comparison.
This game is being pitched at gamers, not the big casual market that sprung up with WoW and doesn't seem interested in going anywhere else. The usual PC gamer has a rig they built themselves for around half of what an equivilent store-bought PC would cost and can get games to run on under-spec'd computers anyway. It's a strategy and a market that's worked for decades, I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.
All that said, if you really don't want to upgrade, there's a PS3 version following up after a few months. Consoles are great for cheap gaming, they always have been. Just get that instead, I really don't see what the big controversy is. It's not like Crysis was a couple years back that dares you to try and run it with a good framerate on anything other than the minimum settings.
Well guess what, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Ah I see, but it begs the question, while its not trying to, why is its system requirements trying to be far beyond what they should be? its incredible frustrating -_-
because they want the game to last longer for farther tech. so it doesnt become outdated gfx wise like wow did so fast
It still doesnt make any sense, im sorry I call that mindless marketing and PR.
The heavy requirments shouldnt hit until these "Farther tech" features are implemented, until then the current software this runs on should not be running at the horrible level it is now.
Granted im one of the ATI users, but pretty much the majority of people testing this find it unplayable.
There is no excuse, it is royally messed up.
Yeah well for some pretty obvious reasons that doesn't work now does it?
Just think about the players who suddenly couldn't play anymore cause there pcs wouldn't meet the requirements anymore??
I mean dude come on cant u see how they all would be furious if that would happen?? (and with right tho)
If u want as an Company that your game lasts longer u have no other choice as to set the standards high this way ppls might be able to play the game at the begin even with lower machines before the "Farther tech" but once it hit u can not and u cant do anything about it course u were told at the begin what kind of machine u would need to run the game.
I am not a Lawyer or anything but i wouldn't be surprised if it would even be illegal to do it your way sell a game and 6 month later half of the players cant play anymore because they updated the game and now your pc cant handle it anymore??
And for all of u saying that the game doesn't run good in the Beta well guys thats what the Beta is there for u know figure out what has to be fixed and fix it.....
Besides just judging from the Beta requirements SE listed on there side its not really that high now is it??
I really think the issue around this is being a bit dramatized.
Hopefully we're all pretty aware that the benchmark is not good at all for measuring whether your computer can run it, you can't even configure it to tone down graphics to see what will run for you.
Running max settings will obviously be a strain for even good rig's, but i'm sure toning down certain settings will make the game playable by today's standard gaming rig.
FFXI was around for 8 years, and in that 8 years we got dual core's, quad core's 3gig+ processors.
Graphic cards went from millions to billions of texture fill rate, more ram, and processing power.
What they are doing is looking toward the future and saying lets make it the best a computer can run now so in 8 years you can say this is still a pretty great game with graphics. In a few years dual cores and quad cores will be old and youll be happy they made the requirments high.
Trust me, youll be happy they did this in not even a year from now.
.... You cant just pretend Square Enix is going to overhaul the graphics of a game where half if not more of thier player base is also going to be aimed at the console market. What theyve done is rushed FFXIV out the door for the PC, knowing the platforms competition coming from Catacalysm, Guild Wars 2 and ToR next year.
The beta has been self-destructive to say the least, alittle fact of the matter, a good portion, hell I would be bold enough to say the majority of beta testers are people that just signed up to "Demo" it. and while that is ofcourse wrong, even the testers that actually want to contribute are bewildered by the lack of performance.
My System runs every game out max (except ridiculous things like ARMA 2 insane resolution textures.) and FFXIV is unplayable. there being no "Hardware Mouse" option aswell is just.... well....
How are you suppose to test something that is so broken?
There is no magical overhaul, i mean yea you can counter this statement by saying "How do you know? you see the future?" .. mate, look at the game, play the beta, there is nothing in this game that warrants the incredible poor performance.
No the beta specs are not hard to beat, but beating them is pointless because they are not accurate.
I totally understand how someone might not be able to upgrade, but save that money up and take those cans in, detassle corn this summer, what ever it takes, if its important enough, like the nintendo was to me when it first came out, youll get it upgraded or new.
Go on craigslist, I see great computers on there all the time for only 50 bucks. youll be happy you did.
Because when the game is on Youtube, they want to see reactions of little kids when they ask:
can i run?
pentiums 2 100 megahertzes
256 megabytes ddr
64megabytes GE-force 6200s with turbo caches
1megabytes harddrives from soviet unionZ
windows 1.1 ancient aztec edition
anyone help me plzzzzzz????
sigh.... -_-
No hardware worries!
ps3 ftw!
Sony is shooting themselves in the foot. The last game that was highly anticpated that attempted to future proof itself was AOC. The other fail was EQ2. Now see where all that shiny futureproof bs got them.
The FFIV forums will be full of bitching from those who try to play at high settings and those that will quit because they can't.
When rigs are powerful enough to play FFIV at max settings flawlessly, better games will be available, people will have moved on and FFIV will be old news. It will be the best looking old hooker on the street. She'll look good but still be old.
A big reason why wow is so successful are the low system requirements. Low requirements = more people can play = more money = win. Simple formula and sony should learn from that.
Having high requirements alienates people and doesn't do anything but put money in the pockets of vid card manufacturers and put an eye candy whore smile on the few that have the money to waste on a new card.
It'd be funny to see the very same people crying over theoretical system specs picketing in front of a Ferrari dealership to have their prices dropped.
This company knows what it's in for and obviously it seems to be for the long run. You need to either:
- Do what it takes to meet said beta specs ( a dual 2.0 and a 9600, come on..)
- Wait for the PS3 release.
- Suck it up like an adult and find a title that plays on your rig.
It's sad to say, but the world owes you nothing. Progress will be made whether you resist or not.
All the opposition seems to come from seemingly jilted, bitter individuals. It's all futile ranting really.
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