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  • MuchosGraciaMuchosGracia Member Posts: 18

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    Glad you made an apologies to those people :) Even though I don't know you, Im proud of you :)

  • pyrofreakpyrofreak Member UncommonPosts: 1,481

    Originally posted by Enigma

    Originally posted by Brenelael


    Originally posted by pyrofreak

    I like how everyone's using religion to point out bigots and such.

     

    I'm an athiest, but I still feel that what Enigma did was a complete and total dick move.

    I didn't bring up the topic of religion on this subject and neither did you but many others have. You are in another category altogether but it is not I that has to deal with your extreme homophobia. That is your burden to bear.

     

    Bren

     Bren

     

    Statistically speaking, most homophobes are gay but their insecurities and hate of accepting who they are are taken out on those around him.

    It's like "I hate you because you represent something I am ashamed I have."

    So maybe he is a homosexual male but usurping his "forum strength" to lash out against me to make himself somehow feel more heterosexual.

    People who are very comfortable in their sexuality often accepts the LGTB community because they're isnt anything threatening about us. Those who find us religiously disgusting will argue their bigotry based on a god they modeled after their selfish interests and well....those who just hate people who are straight just may be dealing with homosexual issues themselves.

    I hope Pyro seeks the happiness he desires.

    Since this has all the posts that require replies in one nice quote tree, i'll just reply to it. First of all, yes, dick move was given as a pun on purpose. Secondly, I am neither homosexual nor homophobic. While I don't have any directly gay friends, I do have several bisexual friends and we are fairly close. Third, I can't even bring up my sexual desires because I know that I would be absolutely ostracized for them.

     

    No, I won't be coming to the gay pride march in harrisburg, because frankly they're more counterproductive for gay rights than anything else. A bunch of people acting like total idiots, be they in drag or whatever, doesn't exactly improve their image in society.


    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by pyrofreak

    I like how everyone's using religion to point out bigots and such.

     

    I'm an athiest, but I still feel that what Enigma did was a complete and total dick move.

    And if instead she had stayed a "heterosexual" male and had said she dumped her wife for a younger woman, would you have given her as much grief?

    Absolutely, but then a person who dumped their wife for a younger girl wouldn't expect everyone to be all forgiving and supportive, and they sure as hell wouldn't be posting on a forum about it. Yet here we are, and that's exactly what Enigma is doing.

    Now with 57.3% more flames!

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    Cactusman: I know the difference between opinion and fact. It would be quite wrong of me to point a finger at Enigma and call it a bigot, just as it would be wrong for it to point a finger at me and call me a bigot. I find that the LBGT community is  very self-righteous when it comes to their cause however, and accuses all people who disagree with them of being bigots.

    That is not so, however, for my mind is open to you and whatever argument that your have. Fact of the matter remains however is that I have never encountered an argument that would lead me to believe that a person has been created for the purpose of being with someone of the same sex... and, honestly, to even attempt to concieve of the idea that someone would be created as the opposite sex "trapped in a shell" is preposturous.

    As for you, Enigma... you are saying that I am full of hatred when there is one. You mistake reason for malice and you confuse bigotry with opinion. My opinion is merely that though I stand by it. I have no reason to believe that sins and wrongs are sins and wrongs. Do your best to convince me otherwise, but using insults and unfounded accusations of bigotry will not work.

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    And as for the RealID comment: RealID is a terrible idea... and we understand.

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    Originally posted by SgtFrog

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by Enigma


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

    If I were to take even a few seconds to outline the tremendous wrongs of your choices it would surely invite trolls and flamers to come to your defence, but I will get the basic gist across.

    Sadly, it is the trolls and farmers who attack me just because of the way I was born;  not the other way around.

    We live in a world of sheer hedonism... where temptations of lust and evil are present from the moment you wake up out of your bed. Society, which has become a disgusting shadow of itself, in fact encourages many of these wrong behaviors and trends and fully endorses them. At the moment, for example, it is "cool" and "hip" to have promiscuous sex, to be in same-sex relationships, to do drugs, and etc... essentially, society is telling its youth "if it feels good, do it."

    Just because someone changes their gender does not make them a sex machine or promiscuous. I don't carve notches in my headboard and I don't have one night stands. This is a misconception some people have on us. And if someone is sexually active then so what? And being born is NOT cool or hip. It was hell. You have no idea what it was like growing up like that. Last time i checked straight people were just as sexually promiscuous as everyone else in the rainbow.

    Being trans is normal. It should not be compared to drugs.

    The good people of the world... meaning those who ignore lustful temptations and who strive towards goodness, are themselves surrounded by these temptations as well. When you turn on the television scantily-clad women are peppered all over advertisements... in films you would be lucky not to view a movie that isn't fully equipped with a "sex scene".... on billboards while you are driving, how certain people dress in public... how they act -- the point is, the world that we live in is horrible, full of lustful temptations that desire to turn us into the animals below us.

    Referring back to those of the weaker mind -- what is most thrilling in the world is to "get away with doing something forbidden." If a small child's mother tells him not to eat cookies out of the cookie jar as it would surely spoil his appetite, then the one thing in the world that child wants to do is eat a cookie... they have been established in his mind as forbidden. Such is the same with our world... we can identify what things are wrong and backwards, but with society being so hedonistic you as an individual have little reason to ignore and avoid those things.

    Ok, first of all, I totally resent to comparing me as those with the weaker mind. It actually takes someone strong to do the things I did. Not weak. Being born with both gender inside of you should not be comparable to a boy in a cookie jar. That is laughable and sad at the same time.

    In short, you have little reason to be a good person.

    I am sure Jesus would be proud of his little, hateful fundamentalist.

    Instead, you would rather go out of your way to justify the wrongs which you do as right. You would rather live a life of total pleasure and claim "this is truly me, I am just being myself"....as if you are just acting out the person who is you and your life is predetermined.

    So being born with both genders is me being wrong? Well you better tell the Good Lord to fix me

    It isn't.

    You are who you make yourself to be... who you define yourself as. Every single one of us has the potential to be a good person. It may be more difficult for some of us than others, though it doesn't change the fact. There is a reason why the Earth exists... why life exists.... why humans are the way we are... why we have the ability to overcome evil and temptation and lead a life that makes us superior to animals.

    There are those amongst us who will fail the test and there are those who will succeed. I think it's clear into which category a person such as this falls.

    This is EXACTLY why I am going to seminary again. To be a church leader and right the wrong people like you preach. You preach hate and bigotry and ignorance.

    I bet you classify yourself as a Christian by the words you spew out. I feel sorry for you. How many people have you led astray by your false sense of what the word love means?

    Im not really upset with you. But I do find you as a very sad little man. Someone who has to label something as a sin just because they dont understand it.

    It must be hard to live in your own little world of what is wrong and what is right. The walls must be so narrow you can hardly walk.

    Also, it is sorta inappropriate to throw this in a thread where I apologized for being an asshole in the past.

    You can try as much as you like to twist things to support your lifestyle but that won't change that there is a clear path of goodness and a clear path of wrong. The path you are choosing is obvious.

     

     

    t


    What is wrong and right is just your opinion...does not make it a fact. 

    Can you prove that this person is correct? This post is all about how great such a lifestyle is... I pointed out the possibility of it being wrong.

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384

    you two are defending/crusading yourselves awefully hard for something that isn't a big deal to me. During my transition, I grew a really thick skin against hate and bigotry so your hatred really falls on deaf ears here.

    I would suggest, however, to see someone to talk to to get your emotions figured out and why you do the things you do.

    The inside homosexual conflict that affects closeted homosexuals who hate themselves and lash it on others still stands. If this is you, then I suggest maybe finding someone to confide in.

    If this is just fueled by hatred, then I suggest you to seek out anger management and cultrual diversity classes. Racism, bigotry, and hatred is soo 20th century.

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • ThelastwaaghThelastwaagh Member Posts: 92

    Originally posted by Enigma

    you two are defending/crusading yourselves awefully hard for something that isn't a big deal to me. During my transition, I grew a really thick skin against hate and bigotry so your hatred really falls on deaf ears here.

    I would suggest, however, to see someone to talk to to get your emotions figured out and why you do the things you do.

    The inside homosexual conflict that affects closeted homosexuals who hate themselves and lash it on others still stands. If this is you, then I suggest maybe finding someone to confide in.

    If this is just fueled by hatred, then I suggest you to seek out anger management and cultrual diversity classes. Racism, bigotry, and hatred is soo 20th century.

     I think you should sue someone,  That's not suposed to happen after that kind of surgery :(

    -for the overmind.

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    Originally posted by Thelastwaagh

    Originally posted by Enigma

    you two are defending/crusading yourselves awefully hard for something that isn't a big deal to me. During my transition, I grew a really thick skin against hate and bigotry so your hatred really falls on deaf ears here.

    I would suggest, however, to see someone to talk to to get your emotions figured out and why you do the things you do.

    The inside homosexual conflict that affects closeted homosexuals who hate themselves and lash it on others still stands. If this is you, then I suggest maybe finding someone to confide in.

    If this is just fueled by hatred, then I suggest you to seek out anger management and cultrual diversity classes. Racism, bigotry, and hatred is soo 20th century.

     I think you should sue someone,  That's not suposed to happen after that kind of surgery :(

    *groooooooaaaannnnn*

    -Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
    -And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    Originally posted by Enigma

    you two are defending/crusading yourselves awefully hard for something that isn't a big deal to me. During my transition, I grew a really thick skin against hate and bigotry so your hatred really falls on deaf ears here.

    I would suggest, however, to see someone to talk to to get your emotions figured out and why you do the things you do.

    The inside homosexual conflict that affects closeted homosexuals who hate themselves and lash it on others still stands. If this is you, then I suggest maybe finding someone to confide in.

    If this is just fueled by hatred, then I suggest you to seek out anger management and cultrual diversity classes. Racism, bigotry, and hatred is soo 20th century.

    If your coping mechanism is to point a finger at others and accuse them of being hateful bigots then I suppose we should let the things that you are saying slide, yet if you don't realize that you are insulting others then the only label you deserve is one that reveals your ignorance.

    I don't hate you or people in general... hatred of others only earns you hatred for yourself. What I do hate are things that lead people astray... things that bring out the animal within us. There are many such things in the world and the universe and all of them have the ability to bring man down to a level he shouldn't be on. Our society is filled with horrible things and it's surprising anybody has sufficient guidance to steer themselves towards a good path in life...though one thing that shouldn't happen is the open celebration of things that turn us into creatures driven by lust and temptation.

    If you are such a person who wishes to live a life fueled by pleasure then feel free to do so in the privacy of your own home... though taking to the streets and trying to make society revolve around you (and furthermore become like you and worship you for "finally finding yourself") is something you should feel ashamed of.

    I've never claimed to be religious... to be honest I don't think I have the piety to be so... though what I do know is that the only religion I would ever even consider being a part of is Eastern Orthodox Christianity... as only that branch of the Christian faith can say that it represents the true ideals and teachings of Christ (it was the original church and has not changed, but grown since its establishment by Jesus). They are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    OP you go girl! 

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffThey are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    You keep flinging out shit about "promiscuity" and "being driven by lust".

    Where are you geting these things? En1gma realized what she needed to do to "correct" herself, so to speak. She told her wife and family BEFORE she did it, which was probably harder than anything you or I have ever had to do in our lives. She wasn't out fucking guys left and right behind her wife's back. And from what she's said, she's seeing ONE guy exclusively now. Where has she given you ANY fuel to basically call her a whore?

    Somehow I bet you're one of those people who sees a woman wearing a short skirt and high heels and automatically assumes she's giving blowjobs on the corner. Pathetic.

    And don't come in here with anything to do with you being a good Christian while trying to knock en1gma around for "not being a good Christian", when you are being so goddamned hypocritical it's ridiculous.

    "If you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself"?

    Are you seriously telling someone in the 21st century to step back into the 1950's closet ( the same one that had Rock Hudson the "manly stud" in it )?

    What happened to that good old Christian belief of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? Oh, that's right. As is common with most "Christians" now days, particularly Bible thumping "Fundamentalist", all those teachings of God are there to be picked and chosen from to fit whatever argument you are trying to validate at any one moment.

    -Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
    -And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffThey are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    And don't come in here with anything to do with you being a good Christian while trying to knock en1gma around for "not being a good Christian", when you are being so goddamned hypocritical it's ridiculous.

    "If you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself"?

    Are you seriously telling someone in the 21st century to step back into the 1950's closet ( the same one that had Rock Hudson the "manly stud" in it )?

    What happened to that good old Christian belief of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? Oh, that's right. As is common with most "Christians" now days, particularly Bible thumping "Fundamentalist", all those teachings of God are there to be picked and chosen from to fit whatever argument you are trying to validate at any one moment.

    It's not about being a "Christian," it's about being a good human being. I use the Watchmen argument for this scenario: of all the possible human beings that could have been created when Enigma's mother and father came together, it was he who was created. As a result of our society's fallen state and as well the animalistic temptations of man, he has fallen off of the path of goodness and has ended up in the shameful state that he finds himself in now.

    If that's the lifestyle he chooses to live, then my encouragement is certainly to do it in privacy.

    You have a very outdated view of "sexuality." It isn't a defining characteristic of yourself... it's a mere fluid quality; a preference. Who you are as eyeswideopen is not defined by who you wish to lay down with... that's just something you choose to do. Therefore to say that someone "comes out of the closet" is wrong.... as it implies that they "started out 'in the closet.'" It makes such a person sound like a victim... like they are not in control of what is happening to them.

    The world is full of temptations of evil and wrong... it can be easy for some to give in to them. A true mark of character and virtue is found on he or she who, through great will and strength, resists even the most powerful of those temptuous lusts and stays on the path of goodness.

    You have a shockingly wrong view of Christianity, by the way. All principles, teachings, and practices must be upheld if the religion is to have any validity... you can't just pick and choose what you want to follow. If you are going to follow one aspect, then you must follow the rest... that is why the Eastern Orthodox faith is the only one with any validity.

    Everyone is always able to earn forgiveness... you can even make up for your most serious moral transgressions. I offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

  • devilisciousdeviliscious Member UncommonPosts: 4,359

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffThey are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    And don't come in here with anything to do with you being a good Christian while trying to knock en1gma around for "not being a good Christian", when you are being so goddamned hypocritical it's ridiculous.

    "If you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself"?

    Are you seriously telling someone in the 21st century to step back into the 1950's closet ( the same one that had Rock Hudson the "manly stud" in it )?

    What happened to that good old Christian belief of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? Oh, that's right. As is common with most "Christians" now days, particularly Bible thumping "Fundamentalist", all those teachings of God are there to be picked and chosen from to fit whatever argument you are trying to validate at any one moment.

    It's not about being a "Christian," it's about being a good human being. I use the Watchmen argument for this scenario: of all the possible human beings that could have been created when Enigma's mother and father came together, it was he who was created. As a result of our society's fallen state and as well the animalistic temptations of man, he has fallen off of the path of goodness and has ended up in the shameful state that he finds himself in now.

    If that's the lifestyle he chooses to live, then my encouragement is certainly to do it in privacy.

    You have a very outdated view of "sexuality." It isn't a defining characteristic of yourself... it's a mere fluid quality; a preference. Who you are as eyeswideopen is not defined by who you wish to lay down with... that's just something you choose to do. Therefore to say that someone "comes out of the closet" is wrong.... as it implies that they "started out 'in the closet.'" It makes such a person sound like a victim... like they are not in control of what is happening to them.

    The world is full of temptations of evil and wrong... it can be easy for some to give in to them. A true mark of character and virtue is found on he or she who, through great will and strength, resists even the most powerful of those temptuous lusts and stays on the path of goodness.

    You have a shockingly wrong view of Christianity, by the way. All principles, teachings, and practices must be upheld if the religion is to have any validity... you can't just pick and choose what you want to follow. If you are going to follow one aspect, then you must follow the rest... that is why the Eastern Orthodox faith is the only one with any validity.

    Everyone is always able to earn forgiveness... you can even make up for your most serious moral transgressions. I offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

     Choice... as many can contest to on this site, I have shown a very strong view that homo and hetero sexualality is indeed a choice to be made, but what about those that are indeed born " two spirited" what about those that are born hermaphrodite? What choice do they in fact have in this matter? Yes, there are some that are born both with male and female spirit, and if you believe in a God, then you would also believe that God created them in such a way. Who are we to judge the decisions that must be made in one's life that You or I could never imagine having to make?

    You sir are the one living in a backwards state of mind that attempts to preserve a " black or white " view of life. I could not possibly understand what it would be like to be born with both a male and female spirit, so I do not attempt to judge them for the very hard decisions they are forced to make in life. So if you were born hermaphrodite, how would you handle this very difficult decision?

    Your definition of evil and wrong is exactly that- it is your definition. I may have my own and Engima may have her own. Who is to determine which of those is right? Your Definition of God? Mine? Enigmas? Though I disagree with many things written and misrepresented in the King James version of the Bible, this I will agree with it on:" He that is without sin cast the first stone".

    Neither you or I have ever been presented with such a choice that one that was born with such a condition, so who are we to determine what is a right or wrong choice for them to make?

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffI offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    By insinuating that someone you don't know is a whore? By declaring that person "backwards" and "wrong" and needing to be "fixed" simply because they don't meet YOUR ideals? And don't give me any "These are God's ideals", I'm not talking to fucking God, I'm talking to the person the words are being typed by, you. Is that your "love and encouragement"? Because if it is, I think everyone could live without it.

     

    Edit: You know what, this is an example of why i can't stand many "Christians" and other "religious" people. "This is what my God says according to how I interpret it. I am just following my God's wishes". That's what people of your type hide behind so you can say and do all kinds of bullshit while feeling you are "right".

    If we were face to face, and En1gma was my son ( daughter ) and we were having this conversation, and you were saying this crap to me, it wouldn't be God's face running into my fist. Yet, somehow, I have a feeling you wouldn't be so bold as to have this conversation in person with the one you were attacking or their family/friends, so it probably doesn't matter anyway.

    -Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
    -And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  • devilisciousdeviliscious Member UncommonPosts: 4,359

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffI offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    By insinuating that someone you don't know is a whore? By declaring that person "backwards" and "wrong" and needing to be "fixed" simply because they don't meet YOUR ideals? And don't give me any "These are God's ideals", I'm not talking to fucking God, I'm talking to the person the words are being typed by, you. Is that your "love and encouragement"? Because if it is, I think everyone could live without it.

     Glad to see you back ' round these parts- yes I saw your pic earlier and know who you are. =). I didn;t know what happened to you b4- almost got banned by asking. LOL! image 

    I have always appreciated your posts. TY!

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    Originally posted by deviliscious

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffI offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    By insinuating that someone you don't know is a whore? By declaring that person "backwards" and "wrong" and needing to be "fixed" simply because they don't meet YOUR ideals? And don't give me any "These are God's ideals", I'm not talking to fucking God, I'm talking to the person the words are being typed by, you. Is that your "love and encouragement"? Because if it is, I think everyone could live without it.

     Glad to see you back ' round these parts- yes I saw your pic earlier and know who you are. =). I didn;t know what happened to you b4- almost got banned by asking. LOL! image 

    I have always appreciated your posts. TY!

    Hmmm, did the sig give me away?

    Nice to see you too, you little devil you.image

    -Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
    -And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  • devilisciousdeviliscious Member UncommonPosts: 4,359

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by deviliscious

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffI offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    By insinuating that someone you don't know is a whore? By declaring that person "backwards" and "wrong" and needing to be "fixed" simply because they don't meet YOUR ideals? And don't give me any "These are God's ideals", I'm not talking to fucking God, I'm talking to the person the words are being typed by, you. Is that your "love and encouragement"? Because if it is, I think everyone could live without it.

     Glad to see you back ' round these parts- yes I saw your pic earlier and know who you are. =). I didn;t know what happened to you b4- almost got banned by asking. LOL! image 

    I have always appreciated your posts. TY!

    Hmmm, did the sig give me away?

    Nice to see you too, you little devil you.image

     Funny thing is I didn;t even notice the sig until you brought it  up. It was your pic you had on earlier! LOL ( yes, I have been drinkin 2-nite it is ( was ) my bday lol.

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    Originally posted by deviliscious

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen


    Originally posted by deviliscious


    Originally posted by eyeswideopen


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffI offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    By insinuating that someone you don't know is a whore? By declaring that person "backwards" and "wrong" and needing to be "fixed" simply because they don't meet YOUR ideals? And don't give me any "These are God's ideals", I'm not talking to fucking God, I'm talking to the person the words are being typed by, you. Is that your "love and encouragement"? Because if it is, I think everyone could live without it.

     Glad to see you back ' round these parts- yes I saw your pic earlier and know who you are. =). I didn;t know what happened to you b4- almost got banned by asking. LOL! image 

    I have always appreciated your posts. TY!

    Hmmm, did the sig give me away?

    Nice to see you too, you little devil you.image

     Funny thing is I didn;t even notice the sig until you brought it  up. It was your pic you had on earlier! LOL ( yes, I have been drinkin 2-nite it is ( was ) my bday lol.

    Happy Birthday, Babygirl!

    And you mean my ugly mug was that memorable? image

    -Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
    -And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  • MandarrMandarr Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 300

    Enigma, I've never thought of you as an ass myself.  A true puzzle of a person, yes.  While I do agree it was a rude move to do what you did to your family and all, I can also understand where you would be having difficulties as well.  I'm not gay and such, but I am batcrap crazy, kookoo for coaco puffs so I think I can relate.  Not that it's the same situation, but you see what I mean huh?  No I still don't believe you've held every job under the sun and such in your life though lol.  But after seeing the picture in the other thread, I no longer call bs on your transition story lol.  (I'd told you I didn't believe it when you'd first said something about it awhile back.)  Anyway, carry on....

    This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    Originally posted by deviliscious

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by eyeswideopen


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffThey are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    And don't come in here with anything to do with you being a good Christian while trying to knock en1gma around for "not being a good Christian", when you are being so goddamned hypocritical it's ridiculous.

    "If you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself"?

    Are you seriously telling someone in the 21st century to step back into the 1950's closet ( the same one that had Rock Hudson the "manly stud" in it )?

    What happened to that good old Christian belief of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? Oh, that's right. As is common with most "Christians" now days, particularly Bible thumping "Fundamentalist", all those teachings of God are there to be picked and chosen from to fit whatever argument you are trying to validate at any one moment.

    It's not about being a "Christian," it's about being a good human being. I use the Watchmen argument for this scenario: of all the possible human beings that could have been created when Enigma's mother and father came together, it was he who was created. As a result of our society's fallen state and as well the animalistic temptations of man, he has fallen off of the path of goodness and has ended up in the shameful state that he finds himself in now.

    If that's the lifestyle he chooses to live, then my encouragement is certainly to do it in privacy.

    You have a very outdated view of "sexuality." It isn't a defining characteristic of yourself... it's a mere fluid quality; a preference. Who you are as eyeswideopen is not defined by who you wish to lay down with... that's just something you choose to do. Therefore to say that someone "comes out of the closet" is wrong.... as it implies that they "started out 'in the closet.'" It makes such a person sound like a victim... like they are not in control of what is happening to them.

    The world is full of temptations of evil and wrong... it can be easy for some to give in to them. A true mark of character and virtue is found on he or she who, through great will and strength, resists even the most powerful of those temptuous lusts and stays on the path of goodness.

    You have a shockingly wrong view of Christianity, by the way. All principles, teachings, and practices must be upheld if the religion is to have any validity... you can't just pick and choose what you want to follow. If you are going to follow one aspect, then you must follow the rest... that is why the Eastern Orthodox faith is the only one with any validity.

    Everyone is always able to earn forgiveness... you can even make up for your most serious moral transgressions. I offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    if you believe in a God, then you would also believe that God created them in such a way.

    No I don't... since when are those linked? Of course anything with regards to God is very much relative to the person since there is no way to prove it either way. You may very well believe that "God" has a very active part in our lives creating us a certain way. I believe moreover that God just laid down the stepping stones

    God is described as being all perfect, all good, all knowing, and all powerful. Therefore, God couldn't possibly have created human beings as we are flawed creatures. What God could have created however is our souls... for I believe that each of our souls are perfect. We, each of us, being perfect souls, are placed within these flawed animal bodies that are ridden with errors and wrongs. To add to that, we are in a world surrounded by lustful temptations and things that can prevent us from seeing the way to goodness... things that can bring us down to an animal level.

    I don't believe that anyone is created a certain way... they cannot be as God cannot create a person who is imperfect. I think of our humanity as just a shell... perhaps it is a test. Our perfect soul must overcome our human flaws and resist earthly temptations so we can achieve goodness and "pass the test" that we are given. Perhaps Earth is all just a purgatory.

    My view anyway.

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

    Originally posted by deviliscious


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by eyeswideopen


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffThey are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    And don't come in here with anything to do with you being a good Christian while trying to knock en1gma around for "not being a good Christian", when you are being so goddamned hypocritical it's ridiculous.

    "If you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself"?

    Are you seriously telling someone in the 21st century to step back into the 1950's closet ( the same one that had Rock Hudson the "manly stud" in it )?

    What happened to that good old Christian belief of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? Oh, that's right. As is common with most "Christians" now days, particularly Bible thumping "Fundamentalist", all those teachings of God are there to be picked and chosen from to fit whatever argument you are trying to validate at any one moment.

    It's not about being a "Christian," it's about being a good human being. I use the Watchmen argument for this scenario: of all the possible human beings that could have been created when Enigma's mother and father came together, it was he who was created. As a result of our society's fallen state and as well the animalistic temptations of man, he has fallen off of the path of goodness and has ended up in the shameful state that he finds himself in now.

    If that's the lifestyle he chooses to live, then my encouragement is certainly to do it in privacy.

    You have a very outdated view of "sexuality." It isn't a defining characteristic of yourself... it's a mere fluid quality; a preference. Who you are as eyeswideopen is not defined by who you wish to lay down with... that's just something you choose to do. Therefore to say that someone "comes out of the closet" is wrong.... as it implies that they "started out 'in the closet.'" It makes such a person sound like a victim... like they are not in control of what is happening to them.

    The world is full of temptations of evil and wrong... it can be easy for some to give in to them. A true mark of character and virtue is found on he or she who, through great will and strength, resists even the most powerful of those temptuous lusts and stays on the path of goodness.

    You have a shockingly wrong view of Christianity, by the way. All principles, teachings, and practices must be upheld if the religion is to have any validity... you can't just pick and choose what you want to follow. If you are going to follow one aspect, then you must follow the rest... that is why the Eastern Orthodox faith is the only one with any validity.

    Everyone is always able to earn forgiveness... you can even make up for your most serious moral transgressions. I offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    if you believe in a God, then you would also believe that God created them in such a way.

    No I don't... since when are those linked? Of course anything with regards to God is very much relative to the person since there is no way to prove it either way. You may very well believe that "God" has a very active part in our lives creating us a certain way. I believe moreover that God just laid down the stepping stones

    God is described as being all perfect, all good, all knowing, and all powerful. Therefore, God couldn't possibly have created human beings as we are flawed creatures. What God could have created however is our souls... for I believe that each of our souls are perfect. We, each of us, being perfect souls, are placed within these flawed animal bodies that are ridden with errors and wrongs. To add to that, we are in a world surrounded by lustful temptations and things that can prevent us from seeing the way to goodness... things that can bring us down to an animal level.

    I don't believe that anyone is created a certain way... they cannot be as God cannot create a person who is imperfect. I think of our humanity as just a shell... perhaps it is a test. Our perfect soul must overcome our human flaws and resist earthly temptations so we can achieve goodness and "pass the test" that we are given. Perhaps Earth is all just a purgatory.

    My view anyway.

    The views you have are not in any based upon facts or logic. Your views actually go against the facts and it is you who holds terribly outdated views on this subject and you continue to contradict yourself.

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffI offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    By insinuating that someone you don't know is a whore? By declaring that person "backwards" and "wrong" and needing to be "fixed" simply because they don't meet YOUR ideals? And don't give me any "These are God's ideals", I'm not talking to fucking God, I'm talking to the person the words are being typed by, you. Is that your "love and encouragement"? Because if it is, I think everyone could live without it.

     

    Edit: You know what, this is an example of why i can't stand many "Christians" and other "religious" people. "This is what my God says according to how I interpret it. I am just following my God's wishes". That's what people of your type hide behind so you can say and do all kinds of bullshit while feeling you are "right".

    If we were face to face, and En1gma was my son ( daughter ) and we were having this conversation, and you were saying this crap to me, it wouldn't be God's face running into my fist. Yet, somehow, I have a feeling you wouldn't be so bold as to have this conversation in person with the one you were attacking or their family/friends, so it probably doesn't matter anyway.

    It's not my place to interpret what "God" says. If everyone did that that wouldn't be much of a religion at all now, would it? It would just be a confederation of beliefs... everyone just taking the belief into their own hands and doing what they will with it.

    As I have said, the only Christian denomination that has any validity or that matters is Eastern Orthodox Christianity. If you cannot handle everything that church says, then you aren't a true Christian at all. They even denounce masterbation because it is also a lustful temptation and it makes sex. The true path of a virtuous man is that of celibacy... those who aren't up to that task can settle for marriage to bring more children into the world.

    Like it or not, the church's message stays the same... the teachings of christ stay the same... it is not those things that change, no, it is society that changes. You can pretend that liking the same sex, animals, your mother, and etc are all "good things" and you can have the majority agree with you. Though once you attempt to say that these things are "good" and "right" you lose all validity within the context of the religion.

    Again, I find it quite difficult to believe that "God" would create a person in such a flawed way... in fact it is irrational that he would... doesn't make sense... for if "God" is all knowing, all powerful, and all good, then it is impossible for him to create something flawed. Our flawed, human bodies, then, are not God's work individually... I do believe that is where evolution comes into play.

    I will give you such an example. Let's say I'm an architect... and everything that I do is perfect. I design a building... and myself lay down the foundation of the building... meaning I actually put the bricks into place. After those first few layers are established, I take a step back and let construction workers complete the work. Now those first few layers of the building are perfect, as anything must be that I am involved with for that is my nature... though what those construction workers add onto it isn't perfect, yet this is still my creation. At the very top level of the building (of my building, mind you) these floors are imperfect... yet they were still created by me, were they not?

    I believe evolution to be the same way. The basic elements and aspects of the universe were laid down by God with a schematic already in mind... humans are the end result of that... yet we weren't "crafted" personally by God's hands. Therefore we can be imperfect... and we very much are.

    Pretending that God "made you this way" and that you are just "being yourself" doesn't hold any validity. If that much were true, then a rapist is just being himself. A thief is just doing his job as Frank the Thief. Those Islamic extremists are just doing the work God created them for. Do you really want all of that to be true? I believe we define our own fates... each of us, individually. Our lives are our own... I am defined by my actions and choices; I shall not be defined by another.

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by deviliscious


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by eyeswideopen


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffThey are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    And don't come in here with anything to do with you being a good Christian while trying to knock en1gma around for "not being a good Christian", when you are being so goddamned hypocritical it's ridiculous.

    "If you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself"?

    Are you seriously telling someone in the 21st century to step back into the 1950's closet ( the same one that had Rock Hudson the "manly stud" in it )?

    What happened to that good old Christian belief of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? Oh, that's right. As is common with most "Christians" now days, particularly Bible thumping "Fundamentalist", all those teachings of God are there to be picked and chosen from to fit whatever argument you are trying to validate at any one moment.

    It's not about being a "Christian," it's about being a good human being. I use the Watchmen argument for this scenario: of all the possible human beings that could have been created when Enigma's mother and father came together, it was he who was created. As a result of our society's fallen state and as well the animalistic temptations of man, he has fallen off of the path of goodness and has ended up in the shameful state that he finds himself in now.

    If that's the lifestyle he chooses to live, then my encouragement is certainly to do it in privacy.

    You have a very outdated view of "sexuality." It isn't a defining characteristic of yourself... it's a mere fluid quality; a preference. Who you are as eyeswideopen is not defined by who you wish to lay down with... that's just something you choose to do. Therefore to say that someone "comes out of the closet" is wrong.... as it implies that they "started out 'in the closet.'" It makes such a person sound like a victim... like they are not in control of what is happening to them.

    The world is full of temptations of evil and wrong... it can be easy for some to give in to them. A true mark of character and virtue is found on he or she who, through great will and strength, resists even the most powerful of those temptuous lusts and stays on the path of goodness.

    You have a shockingly wrong view of Christianity, by the way. All principles, teachings, and practices must be upheld if the religion is to have any validity... you can't just pick and choose what you want to follow. If you are going to follow one aspect, then you must follow the rest... that is why the Eastern Orthodox faith is the only one with any validity.

    Everyone is always able to earn forgiveness... you can even make up for your most serious moral transgressions. I offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    if you believe in a God, then you would also believe that God created them in such a way.

    No I don't... since when are those linked? Of course anything with regards to God is very much relative to the person since there is no way to prove it either way. You may very well believe that "God" has a very active part in our lives creating us a certain way. I believe moreover that God just laid down the stepping stones

    God is described as being all perfect, all good, all knowing, and all powerful. Therefore, God couldn't possibly have created human beings as we are flawed creatures. What God could have created however is our souls... for I believe that each of our souls are perfect. We, each of us, being perfect souls, are placed within these flawed animal bodies that are ridden with errors and wrongs. To add to that, we are in a world surrounded by lustful temptations and things that can prevent us from seeing the way to goodness... things that can bring us down to an animal level.

    I don't believe that anyone is created a certain way... they cannot be as God cannot create a person who is imperfect. I think of our humanity as just a shell... perhaps it is a test. Our perfect soul must overcome our human flaws and resist earthly temptations so we can achieve goodness and "pass the test" that we are given. Perhaps Earth is all just a purgatory.

    My view anyway.

    The views you have are not in any based upon facts or logic, which is also why your views are filled with contradictions.

    Rather, your views are not more than ignorant bigotry.

    "Since I don't like your views, I'm therefore going to say that they are illogical contradictions and that you are an ignorant bigot. Look at all of the examples I have pointed out as proof."

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

    Originally posted by Gameloading


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by deviliscious


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by eyeswideopen


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffThey are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    And don't come in here with anything to do with you being a good Christian while trying to knock en1gma around for "not being a good Christian", when you are being so goddamned hypocritical it's ridiculous.

    "If you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself"?

    Are you seriously telling someone in the 21st century to step back into the 1950's closet ( the same one that had Rock Hudson the "manly stud" in it )?

    What happened to that good old Christian belief of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? Oh, that's right. As is common with most "Christians" now days, particularly Bible thumping "Fundamentalist", all those teachings of God are there to be picked and chosen from to fit whatever argument you are trying to validate at any one moment.

    It's not about being a "Christian," it's about being a good human being. I use the Watchmen argument for this scenario: of all the possible human beings that could have been created when Enigma's mother and father came together, it was he who was created. As a result of our society's fallen state and as well the animalistic temptations of man, he has fallen off of the path of goodness and has ended up in the shameful state that he finds himself in now.

    If that's the lifestyle he chooses to live, then my encouragement is certainly to do it in privacy.

    You have a very outdated view of "sexuality." It isn't a defining characteristic of yourself... it's a mere fluid quality; a preference. Who you are as eyeswideopen is not defined by who you wish to lay down with... that's just something you choose to do. Therefore to say that someone "comes out of the closet" is wrong.... as it implies that they "started out 'in the closet.'" It makes such a person sound like a victim... like they are not in control of what is happening to them.

    The world is full of temptations of evil and wrong... it can be easy for some to give in to them. A true mark of character and virtue is found on he or she who, through great will and strength, resists even the most powerful of those temptuous lusts and stays on the path of goodness.

    You have a shockingly wrong view of Christianity, by the way. All principles, teachings, and practices must be upheld if the religion is to have any validity... you can't just pick and choose what you want to follow. If you are going to follow one aspect, then you must follow the rest... that is why the Eastern Orthodox faith is the only one with any validity.

    Everyone is always able to earn forgiveness... you can even make up for your most serious moral transgressions. I offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    if you believe in a God, then you would also believe that God created them in such a way.

    No I don't... since when are those linked? Of course anything with regards to God is very much relative to the person since there is no way to prove it either way. You may very well believe that "God" has a very active part in our lives creating us a certain way. I believe moreover that God just laid down the stepping stones

    God is described as being all perfect, all good, all knowing, and all powerful. Therefore, God couldn't possibly have created human beings as we are flawed creatures. What God could have created however is our souls... for I believe that each of our souls are perfect. We, each of us, being perfect souls, are placed within these flawed animal bodies that are ridden with errors and wrongs. To add to that, we are in a world surrounded by lustful temptations and things that can prevent us from seeing the way to goodness... things that can bring us down to an animal level.

    I don't believe that anyone is created a certain way... they cannot be as God cannot create a person who is imperfect. I think of our humanity as just a shell... perhaps it is a test. Our perfect soul must overcome our human flaws and resist earthly temptations so we can achieve goodness and "pass the test" that we are given. Perhaps Earth is all just a purgatory.

    My view anyway.

    The views you have are not in any based upon facts or logic, which is also why your views are filled with contradictions.

    Rather, your views are not more than ignorant bigotry.

    "Since I don't like your view, I'm therefore going to say that they are illogical contradictions and that you are an ignorant bigot. Look at all of the examples I have pointed out as proof."

    You want some examples? No problem.

    Lets start with your contradiction.

    You claim that God has created man and believe that humans should live using christian morals. You have claimed multiple thats you are an Atheist.

    now lets see at your claims that don't hold up with the facts.

    claim: A society that follows Christianity leads to a better moral society

    fact: Countries with high numbers of Christianity have higher crime rates, murder rates, abortion rate and teenage pregnancy than secular countries.

    claim: Sexual orientation is a choice.

    fact: The argument that sexual orientation is rejected by the vast majority of the scientific community.

  • zchmrkenhoffzchmrkenhoff Member Posts: 2,241

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by Gameloading


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by deviliscious


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff


    Originally posted by eyeswideopen


    Originally posted by zchmrkenhoffThey are clear in their condemnations of promiscuity and lifestyles driven by lust. If you want to point a finger at Christianity's condemnation of homosexuality while claiming to be a Christian then you are again revealing your ignorance.

    You are living a life of backwardness. Sure this is my opinion... though it is also the opinion of all who champion the cause of a just and decent society. It doesn't have to matter to you... and I'm quite sure that it doesn't. Go about your merry way... if you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself -- so is the burden of such a lifestyle choice.

    And don't come in here with anything to do with you being a good Christian while trying to knock en1gma around for "not being a good Christian", when you are being so goddamned hypocritical it's ridiculous.

    "If you wish to take pride in backwardness then keep it to yourself"?

    Are you seriously telling someone in the 21st century to step back into the 1950's closet ( the same one that had Rock Hudson the "manly stud" in it )?

    What happened to that good old Christian belief of "Judge not lest ye be judged"? Oh, that's right. As is common with most "Christians" now days, particularly Bible thumping "Fundamentalist", all those teachings of God are there to be picked and chosen from to fit whatever argument you are trying to validate at any one moment.

    It's not about being a "Christian," it's about being a good human being. I use the Watchmen argument for this scenario: of all the possible human beings that could have been created when Enigma's mother and father came together, it was he who was created. As a result of our society's fallen state and as well the animalistic temptations of man, he has fallen off of the path of goodness and has ended up in the shameful state that he finds himself in now.

    If that's the lifestyle he chooses to live, then my encouragement is certainly to do it in privacy.

    You have a very outdated view of "sexuality." It isn't a defining characteristic of yourself... it's a mere fluid quality; a preference. Who you are as eyeswideopen is not defined by who you wish to lay down with... that's just something you choose to do. Therefore to say that someone "comes out of the closet" is wrong.... as it implies that they "started out 'in the closet.'" It makes such a person sound like a victim... like they are not in control of what is happening to them.

    The world is full of temptations of evil and wrong... it can be easy for some to give in to them. A true mark of character and virtue is found on he or she who, through great will and strength, resists even the most powerful of those temptuous lusts and stays on the path of goodness.

    You have a shockingly wrong view of Christianity, by the way. All principles, teachings, and practices must be upheld if the religion is to have any validity... you can't just pick and choose what you want to follow. If you are going to follow one aspect, then you must follow the rest... that is why the Eastern Orthodox faith is the only one with any validity.

    Everyone is always able to earn forgiveness... you can even make up for your most serious moral transgressions. I offer love and encouragement to all who find themselves in a backwards lifestyle and who wish to refind the path to goodness... after all, everyone deserves such a chance.

    if you believe in a God, then you would also believe that God created them in such a way.

    No I don't... since when are those linked? Of course anything with regards to God is very much relative to the person since there is no way to prove it either way. You may very well believe that "God" has a very active part in our lives creating us a certain way. I believe moreover that God just laid down the stepping stones

    God is described as being all perfect, all good, all knowing, and all powerful. Therefore, God couldn't possibly have created human beings as we are flawed creatures. What God could have created however is our souls... for I believe that each of our souls are perfect. We, each of us, being perfect souls, are placed within these flawed animal bodies that are ridden with errors and wrongs. To add to that, we are in a world surrounded by lustful temptations and things that can prevent us from seeing the way to goodness... things that can bring us down to an animal level.

    I don't believe that anyone is created a certain way... they cannot be as God cannot create a person who is imperfect. I think of our humanity as just a shell... perhaps it is a test. Our perfect soul must overcome our human flaws and resist earthly temptations so we can achieve goodness and "pass the test" that we are given. Perhaps Earth is all just a purgatory.

    My view anyway.

    The views you have are not in any based upon facts or logic, which is also why your views are filled with contradictions.

    Rather, your views are not more than ignorant bigotry.

    "Since I don't like your view, I'm therefore going to say that they are illogical contradictions and that you are an ignorant bigot. Look at all of the examples I have pointed out as proof."

    You want some examples? No problem.

    Lets start with your contradiction.

    You claim that God has created man and believe that humans should live using christian morals. You have claimed multiple thats you are an Atheist.

    now lets see at your claims that don't hold up with the facts.

    claim: A society that follows Christianity leads to a better moral society

    fact: Countries with high numbers of Christianity have higher crime rates, murder rates, abortion rate and teenage pregnancy than secular countries.

    claim: Sexual orientation is a choice.

    fact: The argument that sexual orientation is rejected by the vast majority of the scientific community.

    I'm not an Atheist.

    Secularism, as much as we can observe, is a good thing that brings about good results... though you would be wrong if you claim that you cannot be Christian while living in a secular society.

    Sexual orientation is fluid... it is something that you control. It's not as simple as turning on and off a lightswitch, yet it isn't a fixed characteristic. People who begin liking the opposite sex end up liking the same sex all the time... I would bet you most people who like the same sex today changed their sexual orientation as an example. Your fact that the scientific community rejects sexual orientation as a choice is a fact. Though sexual orientation not being a choice itself isn't a proven fact.

    Furthermore, none of this relates to what I said at all. Your accusations of irrational logic, ignorance, and bigotry have all lost their validtiy and are just mere insults. If you would like to contest the things that I have said, then address them.

    "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro

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