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Stallone: Batman killed the action star
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http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-sylvester-stallone-blames-batman.html
I agree as far as Keaton playing Batman. I just can't picture a man that small taking down a whole group of guys in an unarmed fight. There's a reason why there's weight classes in almost every fighting sport.
At the same time, alot of the 80s "one man army" action movies were pretty cheesy. Being all buff and ripped doesn't make gunning down dozens of bad guys at a time any more realistic.
I think its actually more that you can suspend disbelief in a superhero movie more than you can in a 80s style shooter. Plus even though Keaton didn't look like the toughest guy, he could definitely act and so could his costars. You didn't see the most amazing acting in the 80s action movies.
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Royce Gracie was 145 and 5'9" and left the UFC Undefeated (When there wasn't any weight classes) until his return to fight Matt Hughes in 2006 in UFC 60 and lost. Matt Hughes was 25 and Royce Gracie was 45.
Gracie's last fight (before UFC 60) was against a 350lb Hawaiian dude and he won. At that time, a fighter would fight several times a night and he had to forfeit the title match because after the Hawaiian, he was so exhausted he couldn't stand up.
There is also a reason why Brazillian Ju-Jitsu dominates MMA fighting.
I'm also 100% sure that if the UFC got rid of weight classes and all the BS politics and became like they were in the beginning, then people like Anderson Silva would still do just fine. His whole professional career he's only lost 3 times and all 3 times were in Japan to no-name fighters who got lucky shots and finished the fights by 1 move.
On a side note and on topic, I really don't care about anything Stallone has to say. He's a terrible actor and made terrible movies. They were the basically Avatars of their time. They weren't good based on that period and they aren't good now. To me, he's in the same league as Segal, except Segal has made at least a couple good movies.
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That's why I said almost. You know those little guys won a few people a ton of money.
I think the UFC's great...still too many rules though!
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Yeah, that's the point tho. Screw Stallone. Big beefy muscle heads still have their niche in Holywood, but a highly trained smaller guys are the ones who bring in the bucks because they are more believable.
US Army Special Forces are not massive guys. They are bigger than your average Joe, but not 80's Stallone or The Governator big.
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I don't know what Stallone is complaining about, he made his millions. It's people like Van Damme who really got screwed.
Well, He's absolutely right. If you read the article he really has nothing bad to say about the first Batman movie or the 'new breed' of action movies that followed. He just recognizes that you didn't have to be a 6'4" muscle bound hulk to be an action hero anymore. As he states special effects kinda took over in the 90's and he's spot on. He also never actually says that action stars were killed either... just changed.
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I still wouldn't put money on Micheal Keaton in a fight though lol
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You don't know a freaking thing about modern MMA and should watch something from the last decade.
If you'd like to fight Brock Lesnar, please be my guest
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
If Batman killed the action star, who killed the radio star?
I seriously thought he was going to diss George Clooney's Batman. The rubber nipples and neon Batmobile killed all movies everywhere for about two hours when it was released. Everything was just static during that time. Even George Clooney bashes his Batman movie.
I don't?
He got his ass whooped by Shane until the end, he was totally getting dominated. Great freaking fight though, probably the best title match I've seen in years. I knew when he got on top and had that leg in position, that the fight was going to be over and as soon as he brought that leg up it was done. I was honestly expecting a ground and pound, but a choke worked. lol
Silva has yet to fight anyone who has even been a match for him in the UFC. He's toyed with the best fighters in his class, like they were children.
Plus, I never said I was a fighter. But, if you think Silva would back down from Brock, then you're just crazy.
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No what killed them movies is how unrealistic they were and people want believable stories these days and realism, we see the same in games. Batman gets away with it because it a Super Hero movie and so you go into it knowing it wont be realistic, though the new Batman movies try to do the realism thing anyways.
The decline occured when the action stars of the 80s decided that they were funny.
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After that it`s hard to look at them the same.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Stallone himself, Van Damme... Need I go on? They're all under 5'9", often not even reaching 5'7". Yet, they're some of the worlds highest rating action stars and many of them are effective fighters outside of the screen as well. Especially Bruce Lee - ironically the shortest, too.
I don't mean to come off as if a short stature is all that fantastic in martial arts, but it's definitely not the handicap you seem to make it out to be. I've done some free fighting championships with and without weight classes before I busted my knee, and fighting much taller people was never all that much of a problem. That said, my regular sparring partner was 198cm so perhaps I was more used to it.
Remember this movie? It always got me pumped!
That would be video.
I think Stallone was also missing the point that you can only make the same movie so many times before eventually it just gets OLD. And that's exactly what those run-of-the-mill Schwarzallone Van Norrisgren movies were -- the same.
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Those guys at least had a background in martial arts and competitive fighting. Micheal Keaton had a background in comedy.
I'm 5-10 190 lbs and I wouldn't sign up for that role. Batman is supposed to be a somewhat imposing character that inspires fear in hardened criminals--without using firearms. Whether its fair for short guys or not, someone with his build really doesn't fit the part.
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And Heath Ledger had a background in a bunch of crap movies, yet his performance as the Joker was probably the best acting I've ever seen.......... next to Brad Pitt in Snatch.
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What is your point? Shane Carwin is a wrestler, you said that BJJ dominates did you not? The top two heavyweights are wresttlers...now let's look at the champions down the list
Brock Lesnar - Primarily a Wreslter, some boxing
Shogun Rua - current champion, best known for Muay Thai, BJJ secondary, but effective
Anderson Silva - Current Champion, nobody in his league, best pound for pound Muay Thai fighter in the world, BJJ is SUSPECT, as proven in several fights that went to the ground...It's his Muay Thai that has made him the most dominant fighter in his weight division, not his BJJ, you argue otherwise and it means you don't watch fights.
George St. Pierre - Kickboxer and Wrestler, very even mix of the two...primarily uses superior strength and technique to lay on every opponent he fights, has been boring as of late...no BJJ to speak of.
BJ Penn - finally, down at the lightweights you have a champion best known for his BJJ, of course we wouldn't even be talking about him if he wasn't such a proficient boxer.
So BJJ dominates? How come only one champion is primarily a BJJ practitioner?
None of this is really the point though. If you can look at Royce Gracie and what happened to him and think "wow weight divisions don't mean a thing, BJJ must just be really effective when used correctly" then I think you're a fool who needs to look at how sports have always worked. There is always a pioneer in every sport that comes along once in awhile that changes the way a sport works. Royce Gracie took a sport where most people relied on a brawling mentality, a sport where nobody was doing it as a career, and he made a lifestyle out of it...the fighters who came after him in the Dana White era were forced to do the same in order to be competetive.
Every once in awhile another guy like Gracie comes along that requires everybody to step their game up - Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, George St. Pierre, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, and most recently, Brock Lesnar, the first true super heavyweight in a long time (the guy walks around at 290 and cuts to 265)
You can't honestly believe that Anderson Silva would ever willingnly fight Brock Lesnar. Every fighter says they'll fight anbody, but you're talking about a size difference of 100 pounds here, and all of it is muscle. All Brock would have to do is weather a few hits on the way in, take it down, and pummel him from the ground, there is just no comparison in the strength of Brock Lesnar and Anderson Silva...there can't be, you're talking about a division 1 all American wreslter who walks around at nearly 300 pounds compared to a guy who has never been known for his brute strength. Honestly, if you think Silva would have a chance, then you're insane.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Bruce Lee.
Nuff said.
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Guys, there's nothing wrong with being short.
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I've long since burned out on traditional Action movies. They're practically the same.
Villain raises hell.
Hero trains hard, begins to rise against Villain. Maybe a prophsized warrior or chosen one? Meets main chick of movie (will bang later).
Villain does stuff to put Hero down. Villain bangs girl? lol!
Hero pouts, but girl "increases his morale."
Hero beats Villain, goes away with the broad.
Fin.
It doesn't matter if the Action movie was set in a medieval, modern, or future setting, they all followed the same d**n formula. I loved the action movies from the 80s and up until the mid-late 90s. After that, I just couldn't stand Action flicks as much. It has to be different before I go, "I've seen this s**t before."
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Yeh lesnar really got lucky, i was surprised he even survived the brutal first round. Carwin was gassed out in round two because he doesnt have enough stamina as most of his fights average at 1min. And im pretty damn sure GSP could take down lesnar.
Yep, i've seen giant dudes in real life up close ( I do love the occasional bar fight ) get their asses handed to 'em by tiny dudes that just whittle at the big guy 'til he wears out, then needle punch him to death. Hell, I'm only 5'71/2" ( 5'9" including boots ), but I've taken down a few 6'+ guys myself ( have also had my ass handed to me once by a guy who was barely 5' ). It's all about outlasting and outsmarting, not outfighting.
For instance, me personally, if I had to take on someone like Lesnar ( which I'm hoping never happens ), the last thing I'm gonna do is let that son of a bitch in close. I'm gonna run in, throw a strike, and continue running through.
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Not only batman but also Spiderman
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