I believe FFXIV does have sitting (would be funny if they didn't)... but I said it to illustrate a point. Sitting is a relatively simple thing that is in a lot of MMORPGs. Can you name a game that doesn't have sitting that should? Warhammer... did people complain? Yes.
That's how people feel about jumping or swimming. It's just a natural thing they see in MMO's. They aren't saying they want to bunny hop. They are saying it should just be there. Like sitting or emotes....
So let's say sitting wasn't going to be in FFXIV? Would you defend it? What if there were no emotes? It's surely not needed just as much as jumping IMO.
PS- my favorite FF class was FFT lancer so I'm put off that there's no jumping because it was a huge part of the lancer class.
i can see your point, but i dont agree with you. jumping, swimming, sitting are all relatively minor things to complain about. the biggest thing that can make a person not want to play a game as far as mechanics go is movement. click to move or wasd.
i hate to beat a dead horse, but pre-wow i never noticed complaints on this scale about jumping and swimming. people just didnt care if they could or couldnt so long as the game was fun. post-WoW and if your game doesnt have it, its a fail game. really people? how close minded can you be? if things like that make you not want to play the game, then its better off that you dont. those of us who can look past little things like that ( and whether you wanna believe it or not they are minor things) will probably enjoy the game.
It's not going to make it a fail game, but it may ruin the feel for some people. It's not even a WoW thing; EQ1 and DAOC had jumping/swimming also. I think people just say its a wow thing to derail an arguement into a WoW hate fest.
I honestly think that is has nothing to do with following their own tune.... that's just spin from the fanboys. You guys are like the Iraqi misinformation minister.
The real reason probably was that they saw jumping as a collision/exploit issue. I love how you guys say jumping is a franchise issue. Well not to burst any bubbles, but the last few FF games are making mediocrity a franchise issue also.
people dont say its a WoW thing for no reason. its a known fact that wow raised the bar on the mmo experience. hell i enjoyed the game for 2 years. im only stating that complaints about jumping,swimming, sitting, etc, were minor before WoW hit the market. which FF games are your refering to?
i would love to swim, jump, sit if they have a purpose. why add them if they server no purpose? why bother coding worthless actions just because people love to do them? if you could jump and swim in ffxiv, but it didnt have any use whatsoever, would you still be happy with it? if you answer yes to this question, then i have nuthing more to say to that. im sure there are games that will suit your needs. if you want to include emotes into this, you have to remember that emotes are a cultural part of the FF franchise. i think people would be more upset if they added jump and swimming and got rid of emotes than vice versea.
I am ecstatic about the fact that this game has no jumping. I'm hoping it keeps people away who complain about an mmo not having jumping. The whole immersion argument is garbage, btw. There are invisible walls all throughout the precious "jumping" games where you cannot jump over a very small fence b/c the devs didnt want you jumping over it.
If there is a spot where you can shortcut, the game will allow you to run over it, if they didnt want you going that way, and the game had jumping, they would put an invisible wall there to block you. Jumping is over rated, stop crying, go play something else.
Yep and people will go play something else.
You know all those horrible horrible people who played EQ1, EQ2 and DAoC... those horrible horrible players you don't want them playing FFXIV.
I would love for players that played all of those MMOs and others to come play this game. I played all 3 of those you mentioned, as well as ffxi, WAR, WOW, Aion and even Darkfall for a few days. Are you saying that even a decent % of the playerbase from those games would refuse to play this one based solely on the fact it doesn't have jumping?
By itself I don't think it'll stop many if anyone from playing. However, if the game has overall a restricted gameplay feeling then yeah that may make people never try or quit. Jumping, swimming, only set paths you can walk?
Now if they make your character hop over and vault over things.. then yeah it may counteract that feeling. Most of my gaming experience is ******not****** WoW by far. I used to jump because it made my guy feel heroic in EQ1... having to avoid the fence of doom is gonna suck.
But packed with all the items in your inventory the armor u wear and the weapons u swing a Fence really would be a Fence of Doom and u would have to walk around and the deep river would be the last bath u take...
So would u really use the jumping and swimming skills if that would mean dropping your stuff first??
I sure would rather walk around the Fence than leaving my heavy stiff i just farmed behind in order to save me 10 sec time lol
I would be outright impressed if a game came out that took armor into account when jumping, swimming or traversing objects. Like a guy in heavy armor would have to walk around or bash through a fence, but a rogue or caster could hop over.
I believe FFXIV does have sitting (would be funny if they didn't)... but I said it to illustrate a point. Sitting is a relatively simple thing that is in a lot of MMORPGs. Can you name a game that doesn't have sitting that should? Warhammer... did people complain? Yes.
That's how people feel about jumping or swimming. It's just a natural thing they see in MMO's. They aren't saying they want to bunny hop. They are saying it should just be there. Like sitting or emotes....
So let's say sitting wasn't going to be in FFXIV? Would you defend it? What if there were no emotes? It's surely not needed just as much as jumping IMO.
PS- my favorite FF class was FFT lancer so I'm put off that there's no jumping because it was a huge part of the lancer class.
Well stated argument. I agree. It's not a game breaker to not swim or jump, it's not a reason to not buy the game, but it is worth wondering why jumping and to a lesser extent swimming is not present. It's just something you expect in a game these days. Not to mention things like getting stuck on pebbles, etc. I don't want bunny hopping either, but I want to be able to get around. The number one argument I hear defenders of the idea shouting is that people want the game to be more like WoW. If WoW never existed people would still want to see jump. WoW is far from the only game with this feature present.
500k people! :O thats like a lot for an mmorpg. Square must be rolling in the pools filled with cash!! Theres no need to listen to the player base when your making that much money bahahahaha......
500k people! :O thats like a lot for an mmorpg. Square must be rolling in the pools filled with cash!! Theres no need to listen to the player base when your making that much money bahahahaha......
500k people! :O thats like a lot for an mmorpg. Square must be rolling in the pools filled with cash!! Theres no need to listen to the player base when your making that much money bahahahaha......
500k people! :O thats like a lot for an mmorpg. Square must be rolling in the pools filled with cash!! Theres no need to listen to the player base when your making that much money bahahahaha......
Other than WoW, what other MMO has had a sustained 500k subscriber base for 7-8 years? And WoW has only been doing it for 5 years.
I think people just want what they're accustomed to. When you're accustomed to something and it's taken away, you get a little peeved off. I think that's just human nature. At least if it has an immediate effect (not so much a non-immediate effect).
Personally, I couldn't care less about jumping (though a little bummed about no swimming), and this is coming from a hardcore strafe jumper (bunny hopper, to most of you) from Quake 3, and to some extent, UT (dodge-jumping). It really doesn't serve a purpose, and I can't remember the last time I truly jumped in person when I wasn't playing something (though I would really appreciate a more action-oriented vaulting to get over fences).
Lines like "if I can't do mundane things like jumping, it ruins immersion!" don't truly make sense to me because I don't understand why the line's drawn there. Many MMOs don't allow crouching, proning, holding, carrying, crawling, tripping, kicking, elbowing, tackling, etc. and these are completely mundane things we can all do (some, like being able to carry someone, would probably provide MORE use than even jumping).
Anyways, just my 2 cents (and no, I didn't play FF11).
I was considering this game until I confirmed rumors listed in this thread.
I will not be playing FFXIV. It joins my list of potential games that ultimately will not be worth paying for. The list so far:
Darkfall
SW:TOR
Mortal Online
TERA
FFXIV
Considering I have no prolem dropping a good amount of money for a game I love ( I have an EU account worth a few thousand USD ) this purely aesthetic decision may be viewed as a statement to SE about what some players feel should fundamentally be part of an MMO in the 21st century.
We're not playing Ultima Online anymore folks. This is a 3d MMO. Characters should be able to move in three dimensions onscreen, not be restricted in motion to a single, flat plane + vanishing point.
Roleplaying is a huge factor for me in MMOs. The lack of any emote or action isn't gamebreaking...the majority of roleplaying is imagining beyond the constaints of the game anyway...but it is that much more disheartening.
Sit. Jump. Swim. I'll take them all. If not, I'll just do what roleplayers always do. Pretend.
I guess the question remains... why should FFXIV follow other mmo's that came after wow if practically ever one of them was less successful than FFXI?
not about following other mmos foot steps. just following the basics. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. your character got legs that bends, and not a low budget cartoon that slides around with a stiff legs.
this game gaves us human-like features, so its ok for everyone to expect a human like movents. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. you have lakes or some type of waters that are in game, that adds a bit of immersion if you can interact with it.
oh thats a nice lake, too bad i can't swim in it.. its just there for looks and when i walk near it I run into some invisible walls or if not I just simply walk all the way down and drown.
I guess the question remains... why should FFXIV follow other mmo's that came after wow if practically ever one of them was less successful than FFXI?
You're kind of changing the arguement... a lot of the games that came after WoW are actually a step backwards.
2010 and you guys are laughing about the lack of jumping and swimming? Heck why bother with different fight animations? Who needs flashy graphics?
This game is looking more like a step back than forward. I think what the fanboys are missing is that this shouldn't be an issue.. it should just be there.. period. I find it funny that this genre is getting worse every year.... the games of 2000-2004 actually seem better.
I guess the question remains... why should FFXIV follow other mmo's that came after wow if practically ever one of them was less successful than FFXI?
not about following other mmos foot steps. just following the basics. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. your character got legs that bends, and not a low budget cartoon that slides around with a stiff legs.
this game gaves us human-like features, so its ok for everyone to expect a human like movents. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. you have lakes or some type of waters that are in game, that adds a bit of immersion if you can interact with it.
oh thats a nice lake, too bad i can't swim in it.. its just there for looks and when i walk near it I run into some invisible walls or if not I just simply walk all the way down and drown.
I love when the devs come up with a lore reason why the character can't use something....its cute.
I guess the question remains... why should FFXIV follow other mmo's that came after wow if practically ever one of them was less successful than FFXI?
not about following other mmos foot steps. just following the basics. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. your character got legs that bends, and not a low budget cartoon that slides around with a stiff legs.
this game gaves us human-like features, so its ok for everyone to expect a human like movents. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. you have lakes or some type of waters that are in game, that adds a bit of immersion if you can interact with it.
oh thats a nice lake, too bad i can't swim in it.. its just there for looks and when i walk near it I run into some invisible walls or if not I just simply walk all the way down and drown.
This is where we clearly disagree. Jumping and swiming are completely arbitrary things to pick and decide it should be in EVERY mmo.
There's a million things you can do in real life that you can't do in MMO's. Just because other mmo's have included swimming and jumping doesn't mean that another developer must adopt what majority of FAILED mmo's have adopted.
Look at it from SE's perspective..... all other mmo's that had jumping and swimming didn't do better than FFXI.
The other game companies should be more like SE instead of the other way around.
Again, I played FFXI... swiming and jumping NEVER EVER mattered. I literally did not think about it. Coming from SE'S perspective....why should they care if 500k people didn't care.
If there's a purpose to jumping or swiming...i'm sure they'll include it in the future. It's just one of the million decisions they had to make and they decided it's not important. In my humble opinion, vast majority of players dont' care either. For some its game breaking... for most, you either don't care or you learn to live without it.
not about following other mmos foot steps. just following the basics. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. your character got legs that bends, and not a low budget cartoon that slides around with a stiff legs.
this game gaves us human-like features, so its ok for everyone to expect a human like movents. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. you have lakes or some type of waters that are in game, that adds a bit of immersion if you can interact with it.
oh thats a nice lake, too bad i can't swim in it.. its just there for looks and when i walk near it I run into some invisible walls or if not I just simply walk all the way down and drown.
As Kaijin2k3 just pointed out (in a great post, btw), there are far more mundane human-like movements that MMOs don't allow. Sit, jump, and swim? Try lying down and crawling, picking up something in the world and carrying it, or breaking into a sprint. Unlike diving into a lake fully clothed or jumping over a chest-high fence, these are things that most of us do on a daily basis and they are also things that you can do in many many other games, particularly third-person view games. Somehow, we manage to live with the fact that we can't perform these "basic" actions in MMOs.
I guess the question remains... why should FFXIV follow other mmo's that came after wow if practically ever one of them was less successful than FFXI?
not about following other mmos foot steps. just following the basics. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. your character got legs that bends, and not a low budget cartoon that slides around with a stiff legs.
this game gaves us human-like features, so its ok for everyone to expect a human like movents. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. you have lakes or some type of waters that are in game, that adds a bit of immersion if you can interact with it.
oh thats a nice lake, too bad i can't swim in it.. its just there for looks and when i walk near it I run into some invisible walls or if not I just simply walk all the way down and drown.
I love when the devs come up with a lore reason why the character can't use something....its cute.
Okay honestly, what is the point of having jumping, sitting, and swimming. Have you ever been able to do that in any other FF game? No. No you haven't, so why would it change all the sudden. And what do you really need to swim for, what do you really need to jump for? How often in a day do you jump? I can bet for many of you guys that would be zero times a day. Now sitting I will give you, I bet a lot of the people on this website do that all day. If they gave you swimming, what would it do. And agreed with a previous poster, if they gave you jumping all people would do is bunny hop. Final Fantasy is more of a serious game, if you had a city full of bunnies would that really feel like Final Fantasy? Probably not. SE chooses to focus on things that are important to the game rather than useless details that deviate from the original IP.
Heres the thing though. Its about 7 weeks from release. SE does what they want and how. They do very well for their target audience. None of these things were ever said to be there so its not like they promised and didnt follow through. Suppose they put in swimming what would that accomplish? ERP most likely and a bunch of moronic skinny dipping because as far as we know there is no content to access from swimming. Jumping I give you maybe would make more sense to have but most would just bunny hop around like rabbits on crack all day. If there is no content designed for jumping then what purpose does it serve?
All I am asking is for a explination beyond saying its a human motion so its expected. Just do not see this as game breaking is all but something to get used to. And honestly if all people can find to bash the game is the lack of jump or swim then you are reaching for the bottom of the barrel.
we all know that they never said anything or had made any promises about adding those features, we are simply discussing the basic elements of a human-like fantasy games.
if they did add swimming, why do you assume that everyone that goes for a swim will be a bunch of Morornic ERP?
and if they did add jumping, why does everyone assume it will be like bunny-hopping insert "games" crack heads all day?
should we also assume that for those that likes to run around, where they can simply walk are moronic too?
an option is what most players are asking I believe... for those that want to take the short cut and miss out on the scenic route, should be given that option to do so. and for those that likes to take the long route and get the added encouters should have them as well.
just to be realistic for a bit, we all know this features will never get added to this game. but its nice to hear both sides about the what if's..
Having watched these discussions for weeks now, I've started asking myself the question of "why" add things to a game that have no benefit to the game system. Things like emotes (Sit, Cheer, Wave, etc), these are aspects of character play that anyone interested in Role Play can use to add to any moment. While I do not find that Jumping, Swimming, or Sitting to be vital to the success of a game, this or any other, I do have to wonder what motivation SE has for choosing to not add these so called popular features to the game.
Is it really that important? Definitely not. Would it detract from the game if they were options, most certainly not. Why then is this a debate? Why is jumping even a deciding factor in playing a game? Did twirling around on your Blood Elf, or doing flips on your Night Elf really add that much to your experience in WoW? Was swimming across crystal clear water in LotRO really a key feature that kept you immersed in the game? I would say no, it wasn't. While fun, and a childish pleasure, it is just one minor facet that may easily be overshadowed by any number of other features yet to be announced.
For the record, jumping was in FFXI. Just roll a Mithra and /cheer, or level a Dancer and jump to your hearts content.
I guess the question remains... why should FFXIV follow other mmo's that came after wow if practically ever one of them was less successful than FFXI?
not about following other mmos foot steps. just following the basics. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. your character got legs that bends, and not a low budget cartoon that slides around with a stiff legs.
this game gaves us human-like features, so its ok for everyone to expect a human like movents. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. you have lakes or some type of waters that are in game, that adds a bit of immersion if you can interact with it.
oh thats a nice lake, too bad i can't swim in it.. its just there for looks and when i walk near it I run into some invisible walls or if not I just simply walk all the way down and drown.
I love when the devs come up with a lore reason why the character can't use something....its cute.
Okay honestly, what is the point of having jumping, sitting, and swimming. Have you ever been able to do that in any other FF game? No. No you haven't, so why would it change all the sudden. And what do you really need to swim for, what do you really need to jump for? How often in a day do you jump? I can bet for many of you guys that would be zero times a day. Now sitting I will give you, I bet a lot of the people on this website do that all day. If they gave you swimming, what would it do. And agreed with a previous poster, if they gave you jumping all people would do is bunny hop. Final Fantasy is more of a serious game, if you had a city full of bunnies would that really feel like Final Fantasy? Probably not. SE chooses to focus on things that are important to the game rather than useless details that deviate from the original IP.
How does jumping, sitting, and swimming deviate from an IP? Yes in our IP we don't allow jumping..... Really? Pretty closed minded view there sir. It's a really really weak arguement.
If that's the case why should FFXIV do *anything* different?
I guess the question remains... why should FFXIV follow other mmo's that came after wow if practically ever one of them was less successful than FFXI?
not about following other mmos foot steps. just following the basics. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. your character got legs that bends, and not a low budget cartoon that slides around with a stiff legs.
this game gaves us human-like features, so its ok for everyone to expect a human like movents. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. you have lakes or some type of waters that are in game, that adds a bit of immersion if you can interact with it.
oh thats a nice lake, too bad i can't swim in it.. its just there for looks and when i walk near it I run into some invisible walls or if not I just simply walk all the way down and drown.
I love when the devs come up with a lore reason why the character can't use something....its cute.
Okay honestly, what is the point of having jumping, sitting, and swimming. Have you ever been able to do that in any other FF game? No. No you haven't, so why would it change all the sudden. And what do you really need to swim for, what do you really need to jump for? How often in a day do you jump? I can bet for many of you guys that would be zero times a day. Now sitting I will give you, I bet a lot of the people on this website do that all day. If they gave you swimming, what would it do. And agreed with a previous poster, if they gave you jumping all people would do is bunny hop. Final Fantasy is more of a serious game, if you had a city full of bunnies would that really feel like Final Fantasy? Probably not. SE chooses to focus on things that are important to the game rather than useless details that deviate from the original IP.
Oh and I'm gonna tear this up...
"Final Fantasy is more of a serious game"
Yes cat women and little gnomy cute things makes this a serious game......
FFXI go kill that evil sheep....
Yes totally serious.......biased much? People like you in the industry are the reasons why it is where it is. Closed minded and heavily biased = innovative.
Okay honestly, what is the point of having jumping, sitting, and swimming. Have you ever been able to do that in any other FF game? No. No you haven't, so why would it change all the sudden. And what do you really need to swim for, what do you really need to jump for? How often in a day do you jump? I can bet for many of you guys that would be zero times a day. Now sitting I will give you, I bet a lot of the people on this website do that all day. If they gave you swimming, what would it do. And agreed with a previous poster, if they gave you jumping all people would do is bunny hop. Final Fantasy is more of a serious game, if you had a city full of bunnies would that really feel like Final Fantasy? Probably not. SE chooses to focus on things that are important to the game rather than useless details that deviate from the original IP.
jumping is a big part on most FF game. there is always a certain point in the game where u can stand on a specific point where you can press a button and it will jump for u. as to being able to jump freely any time u feel like it, well the answer is no.
this is just a game, there's nothing in it that can be qouted as "serious" ..
Okay honestly, what is the point of having jumping, sitting, and swimming. Have you ever been able to do that in any other FF game? No. No you haven't, so why would it change all the sudden. And what do you really need to swim for, what do you really need to jump for? How often in a day do you jump? I can bet for many of you guys that would be zero times a day. Now sitting I will give you, I bet a lot of the people on this website do that all day. If they gave you swimming, what would it do. And agreed with a previous poster, if they gave you jumping all people would do is bunny hop. Final Fantasy is more of a serious game, if you had a city full of bunnies would that really feel like Final Fantasy? Probably not. SE chooses to focus on things that are important to the game rather than useless details that deviate from the original IP.
jumping is a big part on most FF game. there is always a certain point in the game where u can stand on a specific point where you can press a button and it will jump for u. as to being able to jump freely any time u feel like it, well the answer is no.
this is just a game, there's nothing in it that can be qouted as "serious" ..
Yeah Misters serious comment should just throw up red flags that the person is completely and utterly biased.... heck the game could have one class and have one kind of baddie to kill the entire game... and Mister would be like "Honestly I don't understand why you need more than one class or one mob in the game."
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people dont say its a WoW thing for no reason. its a known fact that wow raised the bar on the mmo experience. hell i enjoyed the game for 2 years. im only stating that complaints about jumping,swimming, sitting, etc, were minor before WoW hit the market. which FF games are your refering to?
i would love to swim, jump, sit if they have a purpose. why add them if they server no purpose? why bother coding worthless actions just because people love to do them? if you could jump and swim in ffxiv, but it didnt have any use whatsoever, would you still be happy with it? if you answer yes to this question, then i have nuthing more to say to that. im sure there are games that will suit your needs. if you want to include emotes into this, you have to remember that emotes are a cultural part of the FF franchise. i think people would be more upset if they added jump and swimming and got rid of emotes than vice versea.
I would be outright impressed if a game came out that took armor into account when jumping, swimming or traversing objects. Like a guy in heavy armor would have to walk around or bash through a fence, but a rogue or caster could hop over.
Well stated argument. I agree. It's not a game breaker to not swim or jump, it's not a reason to not buy the game, but it is worth wondering why jumping and to a lesser extent swimming is not present. It's just something you expect in a game these days. Not to mention things like getting stuck on pebbles, etc. I don't want bunny hopping either, but I want to be able to get around. The number one argument I hear defenders of the idea shouting is that people want the game to be more like WoW. If WoW never existed people would still want to see jump. WoW is far from the only game with this feature present.
Steam: Neph
For some, no jumping or swiming is a gamebreaker.
For others, they could careless.
Vast majority of people it won't matter. They'll try out the game, if they like other aspect, they'll stay.. If not they'll move on.
500k People for 7-8 years played FFXI. There's at least that money that don't give a crap about jumping or swiming.
500k people! :O thats like a lot for an mmorpg. Square must be rolling in the pools filled with cash!! Theres no need to listen to the player base when your making that much money bahahahaha......
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Steam: Neph
I guess he's never heard of WoW lol
Other than WoW, what other MMO has had a sustained 500k subscriber base for 7-8 years? And WoW has only been doing it for 5 years.
I guess the question remains... why should FFXIV follow other mmo's that came after wow if practically ever one of them was less successful than FFXI?
Talking about sitting, in lotro you can sit in most chairs you find around, mostly on interiors. /sit near the chair should do.
I think people just want what they're accustomed to. When you're accustomed to something and it's taken away, you get a little peeved off. I think that's just human nature. At least if it has an immediate effect (not so much a non-immediate effect).
Personally, I couldn't care less about jumping (though a little bummed about no swimming), and this is coming from a hardcore strafe jumper (bunny hopper, to most of you) from Quake 3, and to some extent, UT (dodge-jumping). It really doesn't serve a purpose, and I can't remember the last time I truly jumped in person when I wasn't playing something (though I would really appreciate a more action-oriented vaulting to get over fences).
Lines like "if I can't do mundane things like jumping, it ruins immersion!" don't truly make sense to me because I don't understand why the line's drawn there. Many MMOs don't allow crouching, proning, holding, carrying, crawling, tripping, kicking, elbowing, tackling, etc. and these are completely mundane things we can all do (some, like being able to carry someone, would probably provide MORE use than even jumping).
Anyways, just my 2 cents (and no, I didn't play FF11).
I was considering this game until I confirmed rumors listed in this thread.
I will not be playing FFXIV. It joins my list of potential games that ultimately will not be worth paying for. The list so far:
Darkfall
SW:TOR
Mortal Online
TERA
FFXIV
Considering I have no prolem dropping a good amount of money for a game I love ( I have an EU account worth a few thousand USD ) this purely aesthetic decision may be viewed as a statement to SE about what some players feel should fundamentally be part of an MMO in the 21st century.
We're not playing Ultima Online anymore folks. This is a 3d MMO. Characters should be able to move in three dimensions onscreen, not be restricted in motion to a single, flat plane + vanishing point.
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Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Roleplaying is a huge factor for me in MMOs. The lack of any emote or action isn't gamebreaking...the majority of roleplaying is imagining beyond the constaints of the game anyway...but it is that much more disheartening.
Sit. Jump. Swim. I'll take them all. If not, I'll just do what roleplayers always do. Pretend.
not about following other mmos foot steps. just following the basics. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. your character got legs that bends, and not a low budget cartoon that slides around with a stiff legs.
this game gaves us human-like features, so its ok for everyone to expect a human like movents. walk. run. sit. jump. swim. you have lakes or some type of waters that are in game, that adds a bit of immersion if you can interact with it.
oh thats a nice lake, too bad i can't swim in it.. its just there for looks and when i walk near it I run into some invisible walls or if not I just simply walk all the way down and drown.
You're kind of changing the arguement... a lot of the games that came after WoW are actually a step backwards.
2010 and you guys are laughing about the lack of jumping and swimming? Heck why bother with different fight animations? Who needs flashy graphics?
This game is looking more like a step back than forward. I think what the fanboys are missing is that this shouldn't be an issue.. it should just be there.. period. I find it funny that this genre is getting worse every year.... the games of 2000-2004 actually seem better.
I love when the devs come up with a lore reason why the character can't use something....its cute.
This is where we clearly disagree. Jumping and swiming are completely arbitrary things to pick and decide it should be in EVERY mmo.
There's a million things you can do in real life that you can't do in MMO's. Just because other mmo's have included swimming and jumping doesn't mean that another developer must adopt what majority of FAILED mmo's have adopted.
Look at it from SE's perspective..... all other mmo's that had jumping and swimming didn't do better than FFXI.
The other game companies should be more like SE instead of the other way around.
Again, I played FFXI... swiming and jumping NEVER EVER mattered. I literally did not think about it. Coming from SE'S perspective....why should they care if 500k people didn't care.
If there's a purpose to jumping or swiming...i'm sure they'll include it in the future. It's just one of the million decisions they had to make and they decided it's not important. In my humble opinion, vast majority of players dont' care either. For some its game breaking... for most, you either don't care or you learn to live without it.
As Kaijin2k3 just pointed out (in a great post, btw), there are far more mundane human-like movements that MMOs don't allow. Sit, jump, and swim? Try lying down and crawling, picking up something in the world and carrying it, or breaking into a sprint. Unlike diving into a lake fully clothed or jumping over a chest-high fence, these are things that most of us do on a daily basis and they are also things that you can do in many many other games, particularly third-person view games. Somehow, we manage to live with the fact that we can't perform these "basic" actions in MMOs.
Okay honestly, what is the point of having jumping, sitting, and swimming. Have you ever been able to do that in any other FF game? No. No you haven't, so why would it change all the sudden. And what do you really need to swim for, what do you really need to jump for? How often in a day do you jump? I can bet for many of you guys that would be zero times a day. Now sitting I will give you, I bet a lot of the people on this website do that all day. If they gave you swimming, what would it do. And agreed with a previous poster, if they gave you jumping all people would do is bunny hop. Final Fantasy is more of a serious game, if you had a city full of bunnies would that really feel like Final Fantasy? Probably not. SE chooses to focus on things that are important to the game rather than useless details that deviate from the original IP.
we all know that they never said anything or had made any promises about adding those features, we are simply discussing the basic elements of a human-like fantasy games.
if they did add swimming, why do you assume that everyone that goes for a swim will be a bunch of Morornic ERP?
and if they did add jumping, why does everyone assume it will be like bunny-hopping insert "games" crack heads all day?
should we also assume that for those that likes to run around, where they can simply walk are moronic too?
an option is what most players are asking I believe... for those that want to take the short cut and miss out on the scenic route, should be given that option to do so. and for those that likes to take the long route and get the added encouters should have them as well.
just to be realistic for a bit, we all know this features will never get added to this game. but its nice to hear both sides about the what if's..
Having watched these discussions for weeks now, I've started asking myself the question of "why" add things to a game that have no benefit to the game system. Things like emotes (Sit, Cheer, Wave, etc), these are aspects of character play that anyone interested in Role Play can use to add to any moment. While I do not find that Jumping, Swimming, or Sitting to be vital to the success of a game, this or any other, I do have to wonder what motivation SE has for choosing to not add these so called popular features to the game.
Is it really that important? Definitely not. Would it detract from the game if they were options, most certainly not. Why then is this a debate? Why is jumping even a deciding factor in playing a game? Did twirling around on your Blood Elf, or doing flips on your Night Elf really add that much to your experience in WoW? Was swimming across crystal clear water in LotRO really a key feature that kept you immersed in the game? I would say no, it wasn't. While fun, and a childish pleasure, it is just one minor facet that may easily be overshadowed by any number of other features yet to be announced.
For the record, jumping was in FFXI. Just roll a Mithra and /cheer, or level a Dancer and jump to your hearts content.
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How does jumping, sitting, and swimming deviate from an IP? Yes in our IP we don't allow jumping..... Really? Pretty closed minded view there sir. It's a really really weak arguement.
If that's the case why should FFXIV do *anything* different?
Oh and I'm gonna tear this up...
"Final Fantasy is more of a serious game"
Yes cat women and little gnomy cute things makes this a serious game......
FFXI go kill that evil sheep....
Yes totally serious.......biased much? People like you in the industry are the reasons why it is where it is. Closed minded and heavily biased = innovative.
jumping is a big part on most FF game. there is always a certain point in the game where u can stand on a specific point where you can press a button and it will jump for u. as to being able to jump freely any time u feel like it, well the answer is no.
this is just a game, there's nothing in it that can be qouted as "serious" ..
Yeah Misters serious comment should just throw up red flags that the person is completely and utterly biased.... heck the game could have one class and have one kind of baddie to kill the entire game... and Mister would be like "Honestly I don't understand why you need more than one class or one mob in the game."