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Will PS3 doom the future of FFXIV?
TheHellfire
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SE let it be known in an interview that the PS3 has systemic hardware issues that are not only delaying its release until march, but may endanger the long term viability of its graphics (which are advanced now). The base of the problem is Sony's wacked we have to be differant OS and hardware that failed to put a normal amount of video ram in the PS3. SE is playing that part down, but anyone who played FFXI for any amount of time knows that the PS2 hamstrung FFXI's ability to update graphics/engine etc. What do PS3 owners think of this? What do PC owners think? As a pc owner of the game (or will be) Im rather disappointed that a port to the PS3 could ruin the long term viability of a game known for being long.
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Simple answer is no.
Id disagree, if you have played FFXI you know that the graphics and engine were stuck as they were from release because the PS2 had no right to be in the mmo arena.
Dont forget that SE cant just bumb up the requirements for the game in a few years anyway what they sell now will have to run on the same system in 10 years still. So it doesn't matter that the PS3 might limit FF in the future since they cant just upgrade it anyway i believe that if SE would have thought that the PS3 would be a problem in the future they just wouldn't have made FF14 for ps3
It was on PS2 before it was on PC so it was develop with the limitations of the PS2.
FFXIV for PC isn't being limited by the PS3 this time...so it will suck to be a console player...rofl Especially since SE has already said that graphics and textures will only be 1/4 the resolution than that of the PC version.
The PS3 is the future of FFXIV. It's being made for the PS3 and the PC version is just a test to see how they can improve the PS3 version.
I'll be getting it for PC and PS3 but there's no doubt I'll be playing it on the PS3 mainly.
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Yes, just like how having FFXi on the PS2 caused it to fail too.
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/facepalm
ps3 has the same ram and memory as 360 the ps3 is a more powerful ssytem than the 360 but the 360 gfx card is slightly better i believe. they shold be ok with the ps3 they just need to compress allt he gfx down a bit and thats taking them longer than expected. they want it on the 360 but microsoft wants to use the xbox live GOLd for it
This is kinda a gray area for me, while Iv owned many counsels Iv yet to play an mmo on one. I have however played the ps3 and It was nice. In some ways Its nice to have an mmo on both counsels and pc, and I tend to stick to this assumption as best as I can. I get the feeling sometimes that mmos are for grown ups and should be left on the pc, but this is irrational and obsurd really. ITs unfair to many and hurtfull. I think its a great idea and can only benefit the masses with any game.
From what I read the PS3v has very little ram devoted to graphics. The PS3 hardrive is on the small side, as ff14 will take about all available memory up on the PS3, the reason for the delay. They have to dumb the graphics down and make all the game compressed (have fun with obscenely long load times) . The 360 isnt better, but its OS is built like a PC not some wierd science experiment, which makes pc ports very easy (and vice versa). Basically I think if SE knew the problems theyd have theyd have not cross platformed. Lets not forget a 6 month delay is HUGE in the industry, especially on a port. Don't be surprised if they scratch the PS3 (Im not saying it will, but this is known to happen from time to time). And it isnt justhe xbox live gold holding up the 360, Xbox has a rule that wont allow cross platform gaming online.
I think you got it all backwards :P
Graphically speaking, PS3 has crisper more defined visuals (bluray vs HD DVD's anyone?), and Performance wise 360 just takes the cake.
But i'll agree xbox live is a problem, and then again PSN+ could cause some things to be missing and need to pay that extra membership for a complete game (seems to be the road they're heading down).
multimillion dollar company shmultimillion dollar company.
This game being playable on the PS3 will help it much more than hurt it. What system do most FF players use? PC or console? This game is the perfect PS3 mmo.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Actually this is completely false.
Do some research and you'll see that for the PS2 version it required use of the hard drive attachment for the PS2. Due to it having a hard drive the graphics improved over time from it's first release.. Up until today because designers learned to use the architecture more efficiently. Which is the most common way MMOs upgrade their looks, even if they're on the PC.
WoW and EQ both did this.
So that's an idiot assumption. Do some research.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
Ugh, no the ps3 does not have crisper anything in games. One, blu-ray has NO effect on anything, other than making the system actually load slower than newer blu-ray players or other dvd game consoles. It increases storage capacity, nothing else. Second, the 360 is more "crisp" in nearly every older cross platform game and some of the newer ones as well though the ps3 does have some amazing looking exclusive games. Look at actual comparisons for facts on this. Also, the 360 doesn't even use HD DVDS. Nothing ever used hd dvds except video players or the add-on to the 360(which was SOLELY for movies)
Sounds like the ps3 could hold itself back in the graphics department but otherwise I don't see a problem. Games can get dlc, updates, patches, add-ons and whatnot; consoles are basically computers and it'll be fine, but don't expect it to look as good or run as well as a high-end pc. It just won't happen, and especially not as computers continue to get better hardware every few months.
hardrive will help with load times. ffxiv will install to the hardrive. on the gfx memory look at ff13 gfx on the ps3. they can use the cells to help with gfxs anyways
I love how this misinformed interpretation of FFXI's limitations is still being sung.
The PS2 did not hold back FFXI, Square did.
They wanted FFXI to be accessible and stable to everyone, so they capped server bandwidth at 56k for everyone. You can have a monster 100mb/s connection, the game is still only allowing a 56k data transfer rate. There are limits to the graphics as well as the server itself you can have with only a 56k connection. Ask one of the few players of AoC playing with big rigs but stuck on dial up how great their experience is.
Now with broadband as the norm, they have apparently decided they don't need that "equalizing effect" and have not included it in FFIV.
Now, in the case of the PS3, yes, it will be the limiting factor. The PS3 GPU sits somewhere between a 7600 and 7800GS. Hardware that was competitive at the time but is way behind the curve now. The saving grace is the ability for the CELL processor to be able to assist by taking over task such as physics and background computations, lessening the tasking of the actual GPU.
But the PS3 ( and especially the 360 ), will NEVER be able to outshine PC graphics again.
Consoles share the same problem as PC's, except it's magnified. Where the console is outdated 6 months - 1 year after it's launch the same as a PC, you don't get to upgrade your console. The console games will be "pretty" for the life of the console, but compared to a PC, they're laughable after no more than a year.
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HDdvd vs bluray has exactly 0 to do with graphical capabilities of these systems.If Eve can make two different texture packs, or whatever it is, then I don't see why other games can't do it, since I don't see why the graphics have any effect on the behind the scenes calculations that have to be done. It doesn't matter how pretty the tree looks on the users end as long as the server knows where your character is in relation to it, right?
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Correct. With the two HD consoles of today I don't see why they should hold anything back unless SE does it on purpose or is plain lazy with the pc version. You can always install, update, patch and whatever else you need to these consoles with any kind of extra accessories or discs. It's not like computer games haven't been fine for years. Look at WoW and the myriad of graphical settings and computers running the game.
No he has it right the XBox does have a slightly better GPU, but the PS3 has the better processor.
The cell Processor can help the GPU process the Graphics.... putting kinda them on par.
The PS3 Blurays can hold more data, but are somewhat hampered by the blurays slow access... thus a lot PS3 games have mandatory installs. The 360 get multiple Discs.
In the end they end up damn near equal.
i have a feeling ffxiv on ps3 will look slightly better than the ffxi on pc