Wow, didn't expect this post to get as long as it has lol
Please, try and understand....My corp isn't that careless about who they recruit (i talked to the members for about 3 hours over vent before I was even accepted) And yes, they do their best to protect their fellow miners....My guess is that they just assume everyone in the corp has a hulk and can take a beating, so they just afk mine and watch local. Mining isn't a planned thing in the corp....people are just always mining a belt all the time, so when I feel like mining, I just pop in and go at it, I just say hello to the fleet and go at it. This could be my fault for not asking all the time if someone can tank the rats while in in the belt.
And for all those asking, I'd rather not give out the name of the corp cuz they do have a good reputation, and I don't wish to smear their good name just because I don't know enough about the game to distinct what is a good corp and what is terrible, I will say we are apart of the northern coalition.
My corp has been more than greatful to me for joining them the past couple months, I have access to the mining, general access and industrial tabs in the corp hanger....meaning if I wanted to I could steal ships, millions of isk worth of ore and fittings and skillbooks.....but they met me and ran anoms and mined with me and seen that I am loyal to those that show generousity to me and actually is willing to contribute (and have) to the corp.
and for all those reminding me about my newb mistakes.....I do align everytime I mine.....and I do always have local up, its just so damn populated all the time its hard to keep track and scroll through it every 2 sec. and as far as warp core stabs are concerned. I don't use them on my mining ship.....It's probably my greedy side doing it, the fact of the matter is, even if I did have a WCS on my retriever, it still doesnt guarentee my safety....i lost count to the number of times I've barley made it out of a belt with only 50% hull left....its just the fact of life, retrievers suck in 0.0, But I still do it because I get tired of running anoms all the time, and again....mining is so much more homework friendly
This would all be so much easier if I had a 2nd account as a tank while I mine, but I'm not that hardcore in MMO's anymore lol.
to answer your question regen, corp tax is 10% and YES they do protect me when it's called for....but keep in mind, they dont have control over who the rats aggro when they 1st spawn in the belt, and as I said before....retrievers die quickly, almost too quickly.....its mostly situational. and BTW I really liked your sigguestion about making a jumpclone with all the implants I want and just jump to him when I'm not playing, great idea!
joining a 0.0 sec corp right after learning the basics of the game was.....probably a mistake. But learning more and more about living here has made me learn a lot about the game, playstyles, and interesting ways of making isk that can only be done in nullsec, I do enjoy my time here. I just think I need to give it more time, when I can fly better ships to build courage and actually explore a little bit, then enjoy my stay here even more.
Do I think I'm in a shitty corp? well, if the people in the corp are respectful to newbs and actually have a sense of humor...its not a bad corp in my book.......its interesting though how alot of you mentioned mentoring....I personally wasn't "assigned" to anyone to mentor me at all, I was given a rundown on alot of things about nulsec when I 1st started, and alot of people are willing to answer questions (when they're online lol) So yeah, I did have to figure a lot of things about by myself, and now that I'm more educated about the way things go in the game....yes, I will now know what to look for when joining a new corp, but for now I am content with the current corp I am in, sure it's not perfect (by what i've seen of everyone elses standards) but its my 1st REAL corp that gave me that kick of experience I needed to start making smarter decisions while playing Eve.
I wanted to advise you to not go back to empire but reading your last post I get the feeling that won't happen anytime soon. The other thing I wanted to advice you is get a second account and train a combat oriented character. You can use the current one to learn the industry side of eve and all other non combat related stuff.
I have been in Eve for years now. I have been from one end to the other and back. I have mined, invented, manufactured at POSes, ran anomalies and plexes, missioned, probed and ran sites, WH space, traded, ratted about every kind of rat. I have taken peoples space and have had to pull out of space. I ratted in a Raven in 0.0 for a year and a half and never got poped. I've seen Titans pop, heard FCs both screaming and crying on comms. I have watched my faction fits pop and have helped take down Burn Edan black ops.
My advise to you is play a little less with your current corp. Use that time to start an alt account and join Red vs Blue corps with it. This will get you PvP experience on the bare cheap as most gang stuff is sub cruiser. This PvP experience will serve you well and you may discover that you like it as well. You will learn how to process the information that is flowing through your overview, make fast decisions in combat, learn the interaction of the different weapons/ammo types, master tanking and ship fitting, learn how to use the scanner, how to scout and use local to your advantage, how to control range and fly in a fight, how mods and bonouses interact and when to "break" the rules in ship fitting and most important what it looks like working in a real team environment.
Fact is, arguably, that if you are going to keep playing Eve an alt account will greatly increase your income and enjoyment of the game. So, you are going to start one anyway-eventually...no time like the present.
At any rate good luck with that mining thing...glad I found the joy of PvP and carebear tears in local...lol.
Call me stubborn but i REFUSE to make a bookmark for each and every jumpbridge and stargate (enterance and exit 3000km away) just so i can double my travel time to get from place to place.
That's how you live in 0.0. You bm everything. BM a safe POS (never warp to a station with hostiles in local). You BM every jump bridge. You make bm's 200km off every gate that you use more than once. If you're a miner, make a bm 200km off the belts that you like so you can check them out safely before you warp to them. Make a bm 1000km directly infront of the undock point of any station that you use.
I have over 30 bms for the main station system I keep my pvp ships in and 10-15 for every station system my alliance owns.
who the rats aggro when they 1st spawn in the belt
If you're doing homework while mining then you're probably not watching local closely enough. Tell us where you are mining so we can roam up that way. More helpfully, the mining op should have scouts in neighbouring systems to give the miners time to get safe. You have your speakers on and when the scout starts screaming about hostiles on teamspeak you can shove the text book aside and get yourself to the POS.
And yes they do control who the rats aggro. You drop a tanking drake or some other ship into the belt first, it gets all of the aggro, then the miners warp in.
I think I'm just going to have to agree with the general consensus of this thread.
Your corp blows, so find a new one. You don't necessarily have to find a Mining corp, you just need a corp who needs miners. You will probably have better protection and get a better return on your mining profits. Every corp needs lots and lots of materials, so every corp needs at least a few miners.
General rule to finding a good corp in EVE, is if the alliance doesn't show up bigger than your thumb on the map above, just tell them to shove it. Especially as a Miner, you're not looking to fight for control of a small area, you're looking to mine in peace. Bigger isn't necessarily better, just as long as it's bigger than your thumb.
You def don't want a corp who's just renting space. I'm willing to bet all the empire mining ISK that retriever can bring in, in a month, that your corp is renting space from someone. Then again, if I lose the bet I'm only risking half the cost of that retriever.
Empire sucks, just find a better null sec corp. Also, make sure you're watching local and your intel channels no matter what corp you get in to. When I'm out ratting or whatever, I always know what is going on in my entire region by watching the intel channel.
I agree with most people here, that 0.0 is where EVE's real challenge and rewards can be found.
But that said, something like 2/3rds or more of the active player base spends their time in Empire and there's quite a bit of fun to be had there too, despite what this thread might lead you to believe.
Many people like myself have gone back and forth from Empire to 0.0 to Low Sec, to WH's and back again. You don't have to stay in any one place in EVE which I think is part of its appeal.
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their posts. I took a 2 week break from eve just to do more research on the game and some RL shit.
I've come to the decision that I need to get into a different corp/alliance. It's funny how all I do is say the problems I'm having playing with my corp and people know that im in the NC. It really hit me when I started getting threat emails telling me to participate in the frequent CTA's or ill be kicked, KNOWING that I'm mainly interested in industry and dont have any pvp experience.
I'm finally able to fly a hulk and I was so excited cuz maybe things would start looking up with more isk and such. Well I lost it the 1st 3 days I had it due to unprovoked ganking. I was mining solo because I had no other option, any "mining" fleet i've joined in the past 8 days have been just like 2 people mining and 30 people docked afk, no matter how long id wait in the fleet, never do i see the amount of people in the fleet actually in the belt. this among other things threw me off the top to how lazy and careless the corp is. even as I was yelling over coms and corp n alliance chat, nobody even bothered to show up and help....even after i died. I'm literally on the verge of just selling everything I own and moving back to empire.
I need a new corp, a large mining/indy corp that ALWAYS has mining op's going and actually cares about their space, and dont let reds and neuts wonder in whenever they please.....our space has been under attack for the past 3-4 weeks EVERY DAY and it takes like 2 hours just to get a home defence CTA going....its sad and frustrating. I need a corp/allaince that actually cares what happens to their own and actually needs miners not pvp pilots....
I was looking at IT alliance, but they seem rather large, idk if its organized or if its just a zerg of anyone inviting anyone.....if anyone is recruiting that have read my concerns in any of the past responses and know "thats definitly not us" please let me know. Once again thank u all for ur sigguestions
If so, your alliance is what is technically known as a "meatshield". ie: a bunch of scrubs put there to amuse your enemies and divert them from pestering the important guys deeper in NC territory. The best that can be said about your situation is that you will gain some 0.0 experience.
CTA means Call To Arms. That's when an alliance demands that everyone assist in defending. It's not unreasonable to ask everyone to help - 0.0 space doesn't acquire, build up, maintain and defend itself. If you're primarily an industrialist you can assist in a very low-SP way by training up cloaking and acting as a scout. FCs always need more scouts. Even a cloaked frigate watching a gate can be very useful, and a scout in a covops ship is an absolutely essential resource for any fleet of double figues or more. The skills needed for this are also primarily INT/MEM so they will be compatible with your likely stat spec.
Abandon the idea that you can always spend all your time focusing on your chosen activity.
BTW IT alliance are moderately organised, and they'll be better than somplace like FCON, but they're no benchmark for quality. They may also be rather reluctant to accept a very young ex-NC character, since you'll be something of a security risk for them.
EVE is a game based on intelligence and patience. Remember, there are no rules. Think of what you want and then make a plan of how to get it. You will find that 90% of the time what you need is information to meet your goals.
Similar to finding a null sec corp, what you need first is information to make a good choice of which to join. Research which corp has what you want. Research the officers names and what they do. It isnt hard to find the information you need outside of the game on forums once you have some information on who they are.
If you know what you are doing, its possible to know everything about a corporation before you ever make first contact or send in your app. However, they might be a little creeped out if you know everything about them, therefore its a good idea to play a little bit dumb to make things easier.
After you join, pay attention to if the folks on voice chat are your type. If not, try again with another corp. Keep this up several times over and you might start to see the big picture on how eve works, what makes people tick, and who`s who. I highly recommend before you join a corp that you research everything you can about their past and present connections and who their neighbors are.
Generally what you want is to find a corp leader that has a very broad understanding of EVE and its major players that affect his or her corp. A leader like that knows how to make good decisions for his or her corp.
I could write a book on this subject but I`ll leave it at that. Getting your head up and out of the box is half the battle in EVE.
*edit* I forgot to mention that these strategies work well in real life too. All the power to you.
BTW IT alliance are moderately organised, and they'll be better than somplace like FCON,
Wait. He's in Fcon? Ouch.
Seriously, get yourself into a better corp. Btw., it's not unreasonable to ask every single pilot to show up to defend. There are no pure miners in any serious 0.0 alliance for exactly that reason. If your infrastructure is burning, you go defend it. If you have no pvp experience, you'll get it. If you don't defend your home, you can go back to empire.
The frequency of cta, or even more important, the severity of the situation when a cta is called is important. A lot of alliances call a cta for nearly every single day-to-day operation and thus turn it into a blunt weapon.
Yeah everyone should defend their space when reds/neutrals come into their space. So next time you see enemies in your space get in fleet ASAP and go out and fight! Don't let us wait for 30 minutes for you to form up and then blueball us because you only had 3 times as many. NC
If you don't want to get into a full PVP ship, just train Interceptor. Evasive Man 5 will help keep you Hulk alive too. Then from there, you just need a few other basic minor skills that can be all trained in less time than it takes for Evasive Man 4->5. You'll also need Frig 5, but that shouldn't be too bad I don't think.
That way, you can at least say "hey look, I'm doing my part. I'm a miner".
I've found that Eve is one of those games that you love to hate.
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This is what made me quit Eve (primarily). I found the game very refreshing at first, but the one thing I look for in MMOs is the ability to be self-reliant. This game does not promote self-reliance at all. I have no interest in PvP in any form, either.
It's a shame, because I found much of Eve to be very cool, but eventually accepted that it simply wasn't a game for me.
send me a PM of your main and i will contact you in game. Or i created an alt for you to contact Vosem J in which i will delete in a few weeks but i feel bad for you as i started my 0,0 life very early in EVE as well and a few key people went beyond the call of duty and taught me how to live in 0,0.
If part of the NC i find it rather disturbing that you are so fail with the JB network and ratting tbh its about the safest 0,0 in EVE and imo living the north makes empire look hard.
But we have all been there and went through some kinda pain of 0,0 life i myself was in the old Hydra Alliance with 1.2 million SP and here i am with close to 50 mill sp and been living in 0,0 for years in fact i get stressed in empire
So ive got some tools/Maps/fittings and guided that should be of help.
how about the veterans not being such douchebags as to roll thru an area and wiping out everything, like a SINGLE LOWBIE SHIP THEY KNOW HAS NO CHANCE AND WILL BE NO FIGHT, instead of forcing them to be weak by being a miner and having only a slight chance of living by submission. i mean, EVERYONE is paying 15 bucks to play it, and no one wants to be constantly wiped out by douchebags like that, it would make me just say 'fk it' and quit, then eventually no one will have a game to play after 3 douchebag veterans are all thats left wondering where everyone went when the server gets shut down, cuz thats what will happen unless CCP changes it so that people have a choice to pvp or not. did i say douchebags? yes? ok
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how about the veterans not being such douchebags as to roll thru an area and wiping out everything, like a SINGLE LOWBIE SHIP THEY KNOW HAS NO CHANCE AND WILL BE NO FIGHT, instead of forcing them to be weak by being a miner and having only a slight chance of living by submission. i mean, EVERYONE is paying 15 bucks to play it, and no one wants to be constantly wiped out by douchebags like that, it would make me just say 'fk it' and quit, then eventually no one will have a game to play after 3 douchebag veterans are all thats left wondering where everyone went when the server gets shut down, cuz thats what will happen unless CCP changes it so that people have a choice to pvp or not. did i say douchebags? yes? ok
Irritatingly, the number of subscriptions keeps rising.
how about the veterans not being such douchebags as to roll thru an area and wiping out everything, like a SINGLE LOWBIE SHIP THEY KNOW HAS NO CHANCE AND WILL BE NO FIGHT,
The lowbie ship may be a scout. Which is why NRDS doesn't work.
Tell me how you can tell a scout alt in a random corp or a newbie corp, from a random newbie who wandered into the wrong place, and I'll pay for 1yr's sub to any game on this entire site.
Just because you don't understand the "WHY" behind something, doesn't mean it's wrong. I would personally love to be in a NRDS Alliance, if it actually made sense. I hate shooting random newbies for no reason.
And yes, you have a choice to PVP. You can live in Empire and do LVL 4s all day long. If you want to PVP and you don't want to constantly die over and over, join a good corp in a good alliance. It's an MMO, if you want to play completely solo and not see anyone else, go back to Zelda and save your $15/mo.
Your primary problem is the way you are trying to interface with the game. EVE isn't made for soloing. It's possible, but only in one area of the map....hi sec. Low sec and 0.0 soloing isn't possible. You could ninja mine/rat, whatever but at the end of the day you will need friends. You could go to NPC 0.0 as there isn't sov there, but you will still need friends.
Doing homework, watching movies, etc while you mine is doable to an extent in hi sec only. Leaving your keyboard/alt-tabbing out while in low sec or O.O and not being docked, in a POS shield, or at least in a safespot you are asking for tears. Most of the advice offered to you here from people that are in 0.0 makes sense. I would ask you to try and understand that in 0.0 the rules are set by the players, that's it. If you are unhappy with THEIR rules, find someone else to fly with. CTA's, group mining ops, whatever is why YOU are there....not vise versa.
This is why it's better to get people that have never played an MMO in EVE than people that come from games that are coded with rules that everyone has to follow.
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how about the veterans not being such douchebags as to roll thru an area and wiping out everything, like a SINGLE LOWBIE SHIP THEY KNOW HAS NO CHANCE AND WILL BE NO FIGHT, instead of forcing them to be weak by being a miner and having only a slight chance of living by submission. i mean, EVERYONE is paying 15 bucks to play it, and no one wants to be constantly wiped out by douchebags like that, it would make me just say 'fk it' and quit, then eventually no one will have a game to play after 3 douchebag veterans are all thats left wondering where everyone went when the server gets shut down, cuz thats what will happen unless CCP changes it so that people have a choice to pvp or not. did i say douchebags? yes? ok
You are Fail!
I wrote a nice long post explaining a bunch about EVE and how wrong you are but these forums are the suck so i will just leave it at that cause you are not worth the effort the rewrite it tbh..
It looks pretty much like the OP just got the short stick when getting a corp. If you are a real 0.0 you either are sure that the guy you are recruiting has already lived in nullsec, or teach him everything he needs to know.
Actually, getting popped by rats while mining is terribly "unprofessional" for a mining corp. There should always be a combat ship tanking the rats during mining ops. You might not notice a red in local the second it gets in, but chances are someone of 10+ people does notice it (and he should be screaming in TS/vent and waking up the dormant).
One thing you must understand is that mining in 0.0 is not something you can do alt-tabbed, you must stay vigil all the time (that's why it is quite stressful).
Another thing, your corp should have some spare skillbooks (at least the common ones) so you won't actually need to do 30 jumps every time you need a skillbook. It's a barely 200mil or so investment to buy 20x of such skillbooks (i know because i did that for my corp), so unless you are in need of something uncommon (thus, not strictly necessary), you won't be doing 30+ jumps every 2 days.
The main rule of 0.0 is: if you are not ready for combat, there are either no reds in local, or you aren't in space. If both happens, you did something wrong.
I know one highsec Retriever pilot who had someone angry at them that suicide ganked them repeately using a destroyer -- 1-2 shotting them -- because the twit... err... miner didn't think to fit any tank on the ship at all. "These things can't be tanked" -- bunk! About the only things that can't be tanked are freighters and shuttles. If it has mids or lows, you can fit tank and if you're going "pop" before others can respond, put some tank on the ship.
A couple shots at them from the destroyer... CONCORD. Back with a cruiser... CONCORD and the angry person went to just calling them names in local. They were pleased and posted a thank you for the tank fit.
Here's the small tank that's easy to fit on a Retriever. Just 2 pieces change to what you probably have fit. Maybe more depending but get these 2 for tank use.
The only skill you will NEED to have at 5 to fit this is Electronics. CPU tends to be tight on a Retriever with a couple mining lasers so...
Damage Control in a low versus a mining upgrade or cargo expander. Use a Pseudoelectronic Containment Field (cheap option -- expensive = the Internal Force Field Array I -- *NOT* worth the money on a retriever but a lower meta will be.)
Small Shield Extender. Use a Small Aziotropic Ward (so-so cheap -- F-S9 isn't much better and costs a lot more).
Even with starter type skills at tanking, you'll hit about 4k Effective Hit Points (EHP) on it vs the 2k-ish you're currently at.
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That's close to the best you'll do trying to tank a retriever and the rats in nullsec are a tad evil for one of them if you don't have a covering ship to bail you out.
I like the advice from an earlier page here about the ships uses but if you're flying a Drake, you're Caldari and the ships I noticed on that list lacked caldari options which would require cross training and I don't think you'll want to try that being as you're getting close to a Hulk.
how about the veterans not being such douchebags as to roll thru an area and wiping out everything, like a SINGLE LOWBIE SHIP THEY KNOW HAS NO CHANCE AND WILL BE NO FIGHT, instead of forcing them to be weak by being a miner and having only a slight chance of living by submission. i mean, EVERYONE is paying 15 bucks to play it, and no one wants to be constantly wiped out by douchebags like that, it would make me just say 'fk it' and quit, then eventually no one will have a game to play after 3 douchebag veterans are all thats left wondering where everyone went when the server gets shut down, cuz thats what will happen unless CCP changes it so that people have a choice to pvp or not. did i say douchebags? yes? ok
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A bit late, but I have to agree with all the others that you just got into a really bad corp. There are plenty of fine people in NC (and plenty of useless morons everywhere) but you don't seem to have fallen in with them. I'd be willing to guess that your corp is either rather new or only the core few have any real experience...and they have never been part of a large, successful alliance.
At this point, you really have two options: One is to find a better corp/alliance that will take you - although to be honest that is going to be hard as you are low on the SP and don't seem to have any contacts; or Secondly, chalk it up to a learning experience and move back to empire space. Make some serious capital, see if you can do some EVE University stuff or another 'training' corp and look for someone with a better mentoring/vetting process.
A seriously good rule of thumb is that anyone who asks you out of the blue isn't worth joining.
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Wow, didn't expect this post to get as long as it has lol
Please, try and understand....My corp isn't that careless about who they recruit (i talked to the members for about 3 hours over vent before I was even accepted) And yes, they do their best to protect their fellow miners....My guess is that they just assume everyone in the corp has a hulk and can take a beating, so they just afk mine and watch local. Mining isn't a planned thing in the corp....people are just always mining a belt all the time, so when I feel like mining, I just pop in and go at it, I just say hello to the fleet and go at it. This could be my fault for not asking all the time if someone can tank the rats while in in the belt.
And for all those asking, I'd rather not give out the name of the corp cuz they do have a good reputation, and I don't wish to smear their good name just because I don't know enough about the game to distinct what is a good corp and what is terrible, I will say we are apart of the northern coalition.
My corp has been more than greatful to me for joining them the past couple months, I have access to the mining, general access and industrial tabs in the corp hanger....meaning if I wanted to I could steal ships, millions of isk worth of ore and fittings and skillbooks.....but they met me and ran anoms and mined with me and seen that I am loyal to those that show generousity to me and actually is willing to contribute (and have) to the corp.
and for all those reminding me about my newb mistakes.....I do align everytime I mine.....and I do always have local up, its just so damn populated all the time its hard to keep track and scroll through it every 2 sec. and as far as warp core stabs are concerned. I don't use them on my mining ship.....It's probably my greedy side doing it, the fact of the matter is, even if I did have a WCS on my retriever, it still doesnt guarentee my safety....i lost count to the number of times I've barley made it out of a belt with only 50% hull left....its just the fact of life, retrievers suck in 0.0, But I still do it because I get tired of running anoms all the time, and again....mining is so much more homework friendly
This would all be so much easier if I had a 2nd account as a tank while I mine, but I'm not that hardcore in MMO's anymore lol.
to answer your question regen, corp tax is 10% and YES they do protect me when it's called for....but keep in mind, they dont have control over who the rats aggro when they 1st spawn in the belt, and as I said before....retrievers die quickly, almost too quickly.....its mostly situational. and BTW I really liked your sigguestion about making a jumpclone with all the implants I want and just jump to him when I'm not playing, great idea!
joining a 0.0 sec corp right after learning the basics of the game was.....probably a mistake. But learning more and more about living here has made me learn a lot about the game, playstyles, and interesting ways of making isk that can only be done in nullsec, I do enjoy my time here. I just think I need to give it more time, when I can fly better ships to build courage and actually explore a little bit, then enjoy my stay here even more.
Do I think I'm in a shitty corp? well, if the people in the corp are respectful to newbs and actually have a sense of humor...its not a bad corp in my book.......its interesting though how alot of you mentioned mentoring....I personally wasn't "assigned" to anyone to mentor me at all, I was given a rundown on alot of things about nulsec when I 1st started, and alot of people are willing to answer questions (when they're online lol) So yeah, I did have to figure a lot of things about by myself, and now that I'm more educated about the way things go in the game....yes, I will now know what to look for when joining a new corp, but for now I am content with the current corp I am in, sure it's not perfect (by what i've seen of everyone elses standards) but its my 1st REAL corp that gave me that kick of experience I needed to start making smarter decisions while playing Eve.
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I wanted to advise you to not go back to empire but reading your last post I get the feeling that won't happen anytime soon. The other thing I wanted to advice you is get a second account and train a combat oriented character. You can use the current one to learn the industry side of eve and all other non combat related stuff.
I have been in Eve for years now. I have been from one end to the other and back. I have mined, invented, manufactured at POSes, ran anomalies and plexes, missioned, probed and ran sites, WH space, traded, ratted about every kind of rat. I have taken peoples space and have had to pull out of space. I ratted in a Raven in 0.0 for a year and a half and never got poped. I've seen Titans pop, heard FCs both screaming and crying on comms. I have watched my faction fits pop and have helped take down Burn Edan black ops.
My advise to you is play a little less with your current corp. Use that time to start an alt account and join Red vs Blue corps with it. This will get you PvP experience on the bare cheap as most gang stuff is sub cruiser. This PvP experience will serve you well and you may discover that you like it as well. You will learn how to process the information that is flowing through your overview, make fast decisions in combat, learn the interaction of the different weapons/ammo types, master tanking and ship fitting, learn how to use the scanner, how to scout and use local to your advantage, how to control range and fly in a fight, how mods and bonouses interact and when to "break" the rules in ship fitting and most important what it looks like working in a real team environment.
Fact is, arguably, that if you are going to keep playing Eve an alt account will greatly increase your income and enjoyment of the game. So, you are going to start one anyway-eventually...no time like the present.
At any rate good luck with that mining thing...glad I found the joy of PvP and carebear tears in local...lol.
If you're doing homework while mining then you're probably not watching local closely enough. Tell us where you are mining so we can roam up that way.
More helpfully, the mining op should have scouts in neighbouring systems to give the miners time to get safe. You have your speakers on and when the scout starts screaming about hostiles on teamspeak you can shove the text book aside and get yourself to the POS.
And yes they do control who the rats aggro. You drop a tanking drake or some other ship into the belt first, it gets all of the aggro, then the miners warp in.
Sounds like the NC to be honest
I think I'm just going to have to agree with the general consensus of this thread.
Your corp blows, so find a new one. You don't necessarily have to find a Mining corp, you just need a corp who needs miners. You will probably have better protection and get a better return on your mining profits. Every corp needs lots and lots of materials, so every corp needs at least a few miners.
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General rule to finding a good corp in EVE, is if the alliance doesn't show up bigger than your thumb on the map above, just tell them to shove it. Especially as a Miner, you're not looking to fight for control of a small area, you're looking to mine in peace. Bigger isn't necessarily better, just as long as it's bigger than your thumb.
You def don't want a corp who's just renting space. I'm willing to bet all the empire mining ISK that retriever can bring in, in a month, that your corp is renting space from someone. Then again, if I lose the bet I'm only risking half the cost of that retriever.
Empire sucks, just find a better null sec corp. Also, make sure you're watching local and your intel channels no matter what corp you get in to. When I'm out ratting or whatever, I always know what is going on in my entire region by watching the intel channel.
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I agree with most people here, that 0.0 is where EVE's real challenge and rewards can be found.
But that said, something like 2/3rds or more of the active player base spends their time in Empire and there's quite a bit of fun to be had there too, despite what this thread might lead you to believe.
Many people like myself have gone back and forth from Empire to 0.0 to Low Sec, to WH's and back again. You don't have to stay in any one place in EVE which I think is part of its appeal.
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their posts. I took a 2 week break from eve just to do more research on the game and some RL shit.
I've come to the decision that I need to get into a different corp/alliance. It's funny how all I do is say the problems I'm having playing with my corp and people know that im in the NC. It really hit me when I started getting threat emails telling me to participate in the frequent CTA's or ill be kicked, KNOWING that I'm mainly interested in industry and dont have any pvp experience.
I'm finally able to fly a hulk and I was so excited cuz maybe things would start looking up with more isk and such. Well I lost it the 1st 3 days I had it due to unprovoked ganking. I was mining solo because I had no other option, any "mining" fleet i've joined in the past 8 days have been just like 2 people mining and 30 people docked afk, no matter how long id wait in the fleet, never do i see the amount of people in the fleet actually in the belt. this among other things threw me off the top to how lazy and careless the corp is. even as I was yelling over coms and corp n alliance chat, nobody even bothered to show up and help....even after i died. I'm literally on the verge of just selling everything I own and moving back to empire.
I need a new corp, a large mining/indy corp that ALWAYS has mining op's going and actually cares about their space, and dont let reds and neuts wonder in whenever they please.....our space has been under attack for the past 3-4 weeks EVERY DAY and it takes like 2 hours just to get a home defence CTA going....its sad and frustrating. I need a corp/allaince that actually cares what happens to their own and actually needs miners not pvp pilots....
I was looking at IT alliance, but they seem rather large, idk if its organized or if its just a zerg of anyone inviting anyone.....if anyone is recruiting that have read my concerns in any of the past responses and know "thats definitly not us" please let me know. Once again thank u all for ur sigguestions
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Are you in the Pure Blind/Fade part of the NC?
If so, your alliance is what is technically known as a "meatshield". ie: a bunch of scrubs put there to amuse your enemies and divert them from pestering the important guys deeper in NC territory. The best that can be said about your situation is that you will gain some 0.0 experience.
CTA means Call To Arms. That's when an alliance demands that everyone assist in defending. It's not unreasonable to ask everyone to help - 0.0 space doesn't acquire, build up, maintain and defend itself. If you're primarily an industrialist you can assist in a very low-SP way by training up cloaking and acting as a scout. FCs always need more scouts. Even a cloaked frigate watching a gate can be very useful, and a scout in a covops ship is an absolutely essential resource for any fleet of double figues or more. The skills needed for this are also primarily INT/MEM so they will be compatible with your likely stat spec.
Abandon the idea that you can always spend all your time focusing on your chosen activity.
BTW IT alliance are moderately organised, and they'll be better than somplace like FCON, but they're no benchmark for quality. They may also be rather reluctant to accept a very young ex-NC character, since you'll be something of a security risk for them.
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EVE is a game based on intelligence and patience. Remember, there are no rules. Think of what you want and then make a plan of how to get it. You will find that 90% of the time what you need is information to meet your goals.
Similar to finding a null sec corp, what you need first is information to make a good choice of which to join. Research which corp has what you want. Research the officers names and what they do. It isnt hard to find the information you need outside of the game on forums once you have some information on who they are.
If you know what you are doing, its possible to know everything about a corporation before you ever make first contact or send in your app. However, they might be a little creeped out if you know everything about them, therefore its a good idea to play a little bit dumb to make things easier.
After you join, pay attention to if the folks on voice chat are your type. If not, try again with another corp. Keep this up several times over and you might start to see the big picture on how eve works, what makes people tick, and who`s who. I highly recommend before you join a corp that you research everything you can about their past and present connections and who their neighbors are.
Generally what you want is to find a corp leader that has a very broad understanding of EVE and its major players that affect his or her corp. A leader like that knows how to make good decisions for his or her corp.
I could write a book on this subject but I`ll leave it at that. Getting your head up and out of the box is half the battle in EVE.
*edit* I forgot to mention that these strategies work well in real life too. All the power to you.
Wait. He's in Fcon? Ouch.
Seriously, get yourself into a better corp.
Btw., it's not unreasonable to ask every single pilot to show up to defend. There are no pure miners in any serious 0.0 alliance for exactly that reason. If your infrastructure is burning, you go defend it. If you have no pvp experience, you'll get it. If you don't defend your home, you can go back to empire.
The frequency of cta, or even more important, the severity of the situation when a cta is called is important. A lot of alliances call a cta for nearly every single day-to-day operation and thus turn it into a blunt weapon.
Yeah everyone should defend their space when reds/neutrals come into their space. So next time you see enemies in your space get in fleet ASAP and go out and fight! Don't let us wait for 30 minutes for you to form up and then blueball us because you only had 3 times as many.
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If you don't want to get into a full PVP ship, just train Interceptor. Evasive Man 5 will help keep you Hulk alive too. Then from there, you just need a few other basic minor skills that can be all trained in less time than it takes for Evasive Man 4->5. You'll also need Frig 5, but that shouldn't be too bad I don't think.
That way, you can at least say "hey look, I'm doing my part. I'm a miner".
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This is what made me quit Eve (primarily). I found the game very refreshing at first, but the one thing I look for in MMOs is the ability to be self-reliant. This game does not promote self-reliance at all. I have no interest in PvP in any form, either.
It's a shame, because I found much of Eve to be very cool, but eventually accepted that it simply wasn't a game for me.
send me a PM of your main and i will contact you in game. Or i created an alt for you to contact Vosem J in which i will delete in a few weeks but i feel bad for you as i started my 0,0 life very early in EVE as well and a few key people went beyond the call of duty and taught me how to live in 0,0.
If part of the NC i find it rather disturbing that you are so fail with the JB network and ratting tbh its about the safest 0,0 in EVE and imo living the north makes empire look hard.
But we have all been there and went through some kinda pain of 0,0 life i myself was in the old Hydra Alliance with 1.2 million SP and here i am with close to 50 mill sp and been living in 0,0 for years in fact i get stressed in empire
So ive got some tools/Maps/fittings and guided that should be of help.
how about the veterans not being such douchebags as to roll thru an area and wiping out everything, like a SINGLE LOWBIE SHIP THEY KNOW HAS NO CHANCE AND WILL BE NO FIGHT, instead of forcing them to be weak by being a miner and having only a slight chance of living by submission. i mean, EVERYONE is paying 15 bucks to play it, and no one wants to be constantly wiped out by douchebags like that, it would make me just say 'fk it' and quit, then eventually no one will have a game to play after 3 douchebag veterans are all thats left wondering where everyone went when the server gets shut down, cuz thats what will happen unless CCP changes it so that people have a choice to pvp or not. did i say douchebags? yes? ok
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The lowbie ship may be a scout. Which is why NRDS doesn't work.
Tell me how you can tell a scout alt in a random corp or a newbie corp, from a random newbie who wandered into the wrong place, and I'll pay for 1yr's sub to any game on this entire site.
Just because you don't understand the "WHY" behind something, doesn't mean it's wrong. I would personally love to be in a NRDS Alliance, if it actually made sense. I hate shooting random newbies for no reason.
And yes, you have a choice to PVP. You can live in Empire and do LVL 4s all day long. If you want to PVP and you don't want to constantly die over and over, join a good corp in a good alliance. It's an MMO, if you want to play completely solo and not see anyone else, go back to Zelda and save your $15/mo.
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Your primary problem is the way you are trying to interface with the game. EVE isn't made for soloing. It's possible, but only in one area of the map....hi sec. Low sec and 0.0 soloing isn't possible. You could ninja mine/rat, whatever but at the end of the day you will need friends. You could go to NPC 0.0 as there isn't sov there, but you will still need friends.
Doing homework, watching movies, etc while you mine is doable to an extent in hi sec only. Leaving your keyboard/alt-tabbing out while in low sec or O.O and not being docked, in a POS shield, or at least in a safespot you are asking for tears. Most of the advice offered to you here from people that are in 0.0 makes sense. I would ask you to try and understand that in 0.0 the rules are set by the players, that's it. If you are unhappy with THEIR rules, find someone else to fly with. CTA's, group mining ops, whatever is why YOU are there....not vise versa.
This is why it's better to get people that have never played an MMO in EVE than people that come from games that are coded with rules that everyone has to follow.
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It looks pretty much like the OP just got the short stick when getting a corp. If you are a real 0.0 you either are sure that the guy you are recruiting has already lived in nullsec, or teach him everything he needs to know.
Actually, getting popped by rats while mining is terribly
"unprofessional" for a mining corp. There should always be a combat ship tanking the rats during mining ops. You might not notice a red in local the second it gets in, but chances are someone of 10+ people does notice it (and he should be screaming in TS/vent and waking up the dormant).
One thing you must understand is that mining in 0.0 is not something you can do alt-tabbed, you must stay vigil all the time (that's why it is quite stressful).
Another thing, your corp should have some spare skillbooks (at least the common ones) so you won't actually need to do 30 jumps every time you need a skillbook. It's a barely 200mil or so investment to buy 20x of such skillbooks (i know because i did that for my corp), so unless you are in need of something uncommon (thus, not strictly necessary), you won't be doing 30+ jumps every 2 days.
The main rule of 0.0 is: if you are not ready for combat, there are either no reds in local, or you aren't in space. If both happens, you did something wrong.
No insults to your corporation here.
Retriever + Tank = huh?
I know one highsec Retriever pilot who had someone angry at them that suicide ganked them repeately using a destroyer -- 1-2 shotting them -- because the twit... err... miner didn't think to fit any tank on the ship at all. "These things can't be tanked" -- bunk! About the only things that can't be tanked are freighters and shuttles. If it has mids or lows, you can fit tank and if you're going "pop" before others can respond, put some tank on the ship.
A couple shots at them from the destroyer... CONCORD. Back with a cruiser... CONCORD and the angry person went to just calling them names in local. They were pleased and posted a thank you for the tank fit.
Here's the small tank that's easy to fit on a Retriever. Just 2 pieces change to what you probably have fit. Maybe more depending but get these 2 for tank use.
The only skill you will NEED to have at 5 to fit this is Electronics. CPU tends to be tight on a Retriever with a couple mining lasers so...
Damage Control in a low versus a mining upgrade or cargo expander. Use a Pseudoelectronic Containment Field (cheap option -- expensive = the Internal Force Field Array I -- *NOT* worth the money on a retriever but a lower meta will be.)
Small Shield Extender. Use a Small Aziotropic Ward (so-so cheap -- F-S9 isn't much better and costs a lot more).
Even with starter type skills at tanking, you'll hit about 4k Effective Hit Points (EHP) on it vs the 2k-ish you're currently at.
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That's close to the best you'll do trying to tank a retriever and the rats in nullsec are a tad evil for one of them if you don't have a covering ship to bail you out.
I like the advice from an earlier page here about the ships uses but if you're flying a Drake, you're Caldari and the ships I noticed on that list lacked caldari options which would require cross training and I don't think you'll want to try that being as you're getting close to a Hulk.
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A bit late, but I have to agree with all the others that you just got into a really bad corp. There are plenty of fine people in NC (and plenty of useless morons everywhere) but you don't seem to have fallen in with them. I'd be willing to guess that your corp is either rather new or only the core few have any real experience...and they have never been part of a large, successful alliance.
At this point, you really have two options: One is to find a better corp/alliance that will take you - although to be honest that is going to be hard as you are low on the SP and don't seem to have any contacts; or Secondly, chalk it up to a learning experience and move back to empire space. Make some serious capital, see if you can do some EVE University stuff or another 'training' corp and look for someone with a better mentoring/vetting process.
A seriously good rule of thumb is that anyone who asks you out of the blue isn't worth joining.