The only successful sandbox was UO. Every other successful MMO has been theme park. Sandboxes are a great concept, but attract the worst communities (see DFO/MO).
The only successful sandbox was UO. Every other successful MMO has been theme park. Sandboxes are a great concept, but attract the worst communities (see DFO/MO).
Neither DFO nor MO are sandboxes. They are FFA PvP MMO's. There actually is a difference. While a sandbox may include FFA PvP and imho should it does not mean any MMO with FFA PvP is a sandbox.
ow this thread is about guild wars 2, not about your life situation. Plenty of people have tough situations. I dont want to hear about your personals or anything about your life, I just want to know your opinion on guildwars2.
Alright this thread is going no where lol!, Just leave it be you dont have to post and flame me.
why people play cod mw2 for hours, always the same mode, the same maps, beacause it's fun! The same thing with guild wars - leveling up is not your goal here, the goal is to have so much fun! Gw2 will be always changing world with many interesting things to do, with increadible gameplay and story. Why mmos should have grinding when you can have fun instead.
The only successful sandbox was UO. Every other successful MMO has been theme park. Sandboxes are a great concept, but attract the worst communities (see DFO/MO).
Neither DFO nor MO are sandboxes. They are FFA PvP MMO's. There actually is a difference. While a sandbox may include FFA PvP and imho should it does not mean any MMO with FFA PvP is a sandbox.
Ok, I'll give you that one. DFO/MO are just the closest thing to a sandbox that's come out for a while.
The funny thing is, most people will agree UO is a sandbox, and even though UO has quests, people still hold that you can't have quests in a sandbox.
The only successful sandbox was UO. Every other successful MMO has been theme park. Sandboxes are a great concept, but attract the worst communities (see DFO/MO).
Neither DFO nor MO are sandboxes. They are FFA PvP MMO's. There actually is a difference. While a sandbox may include FFA PvP and imho should it does not mean any MMO with FFA PvP is a sandbox.
Ok, I'll give you that one. DFO/MO are just the closest thing to a sandbox that's come out for a while.
The funny thing is, most people will agree UO is a sandbox, and even though UO has quests, people still hold that you can't have quests in a sandbox.
Darkfall is indeed a sandbox MMORPG, it includes PvP, but its a sandbox all the same. As far as successful sandboxes go, Eve is successful, and SWG was successful, and Darkfall is successful.
In fact, Eve and Darkfall are the only two well known MMORPGs steadiy growing in subscriptions. Games like WAR, Aion, and AoC imploded and have been shrinking since launch.
The only successful sandbox was UO. Every other successful MMO has been theme park. Sandboxes are a great concept, but attract the worst communities (see DFO/MO).
Neither DFO nor MO are sandboxes. They are FFA PvP MMO's. There actually is a difference. While a sandbox may include FFA PvP and imho should it does not mean any MMO with FFA PvP is a sandbox.
Ok, I'll give you that one. DFO/MO are just the closest thing to a sandbox that's come out for a while.
The funny thing is, most people will agree UO is a sandbox, and even though UO has quests, people still hold that you can't have quests in a sandbox.
Darkfall is indeed a sandbox MMORPG, it includes PvP, but its a sandbox all the same. As far as successful sandboxes go, Eve is successful, and SWG was successful, and Darkfall is successful.
In fact, Eve and Darkfall are the only two well known MMORPGs steadiy growing in subscriptions. Games like WAR, Aion, and AoC imploded and have been shrinking since launch.
I always forget about EVE. Good point. For Darkfall, maybe it's changed but when I played it seemed small and pretty much more like a big multiplayer PvP map than a world.
The only successful sandbox was UO. Every other successful MMO has been theme park. Sandboxes are a great concept, but attract the worst communities (see DFO/MO).
Neither DFO nor MO are sandboxes. They are FFA PvP MMO's. There actually is a difference. While a sandbox may include FFA PvP and imho should it does not mean any MMO with FFA PvP is a sandbox.
Ok, I'll give you that one. DFO/MO are just the closest thing to a sandbox that's come out for a while.
The funny thing is, most people will agree UO is a sandbox, and even though UO has quests, people still hold that you can't have quests in a sandbox.
Darkfall is indeed a sandbox MMORPG, it includes PvP, but its a sandbox all the same. As far as successful sandboxes go, Eve is successful, and SWG was successful, and Darkfall is successful.
In fact, Eve and Darkfall are the only two well known MMORPGs steadiy growing in subscriptions. Games like WAR, Aion, and AoC imploded and have been shrinking since launch.
I always forget about EVE. Good point. For Darkfall, maybe it's changed but when I played it seemed small and pretty much more like a big multiplayer PvP map than a world.
They've been steadily improving it post release, and its had two expansions with a third one due any day now. Just like Eve its being fleshed out more and more as it goes. Adding new mob AI, wildlife, housing, more crafting options, dynamic lore driven player events, specializations, ect ect.
Strong points of Guild Wars are its skillsystem and one of the best balanced arena pvp that Ive seen in MMO's. It actually takes skill to play. A combination of teamplay, tactics and depending on the role you play also twitchbased reactions (interrupter).
There is no other MMO where a teambuild matters as much in GW1.
If you only look at PVE, then only the hero system in Nightfall is unique. For gamers a strong point is that most of the content is meant for max lvl. This is because of the lvl cap being low. Preventing you lolling through areas because you are too high lvl.
This. Also I found the PvE plotline to be immersive and interesting.
Strong points of Guild Wars are its skillsystem and one of the best balanced arena pvp that Ive seen in MMO's. It actually takes skill to play. A combination of teamplay, tactics and depending on the role you play also twitchbased reactions (interrupter).
There is no other MMO where a teambuild matters as much in GW1.
If you only look at PVE, then only the hero system in Nightfall is unique. For gamers a strong point is that most of the content is meant for max lvl. This is because of the lvl cap being low. Preventing you lolling through areas because you are too high lvl.
This. Also I found the PvE plotline to be immersive and interesting.
Let's not forget that Guild Wars is NOT an MMO. The devs don't even call it any MMO. There is very little massive about it.
The biggest draws of Guild Wars are the constant updates along with the well balanced, albeit small scaled PvP.
The only successful sandbox was UO. Every other successful MMO has been theme park. Sandboxes are a great concept, but attract the worst communities (see DFO/MO).
Neither DFO nor MO are sandboxes. They are FFA PvP MMO's. There actually is a difference. While a sandbox may include FFA PvP and imho should it does not mean any MMO with FFA PvP is a sandbox.
Ok, I'll give you that one. DFO/MO are just the closest thing to a sandbox that's come out for a while.
The funny thing is, most people will agree UO is a sandbox, and even though UO has quests, people still hold that you can't have quests in a sandbox.
Darkfall is indeed a sandbox MMORPG, it includes PvP, but its a sandbox all the same. As far as successful sandboxes go, Eve is successful, and SWG was successful, and Darkfall is successful.
In fact, Eve and Darkfall are the only two well known MMORPGs steadiy growing in subscriptions. Games like WAR, Aion, and AoC imploded and have been shrinking since launch.
I always forget about EVE. Good point. For Darkfall, maybe it's changed but when I played it seemed small and pretty much more like a big multiplayer PvP map than a world.
Yeah, EvE is definitely one worth mentioning. DFO though hasn't changed to much in the offering department. There is still pretty much just PvE and PvP. They have a patch that is going to add some additional things like funhulks and flag markers that you can use for some player run events that will add to the sandbox aspect but that is just a start in heading in the direction of a sandbox. Whether they flesh that out or not only time will tell.
I would have payed a subscription fee for this game. That's right. I said it. I played GW1 for a solid 3 yrs to the exculsion of everything else. After that i stopped to try out alot of other games. I stopped because i didnt want to get to burned out on it even though i was still enjoying it. And i wanted to broaden my mmo experiences a bit to play with some friends on other games. Out of all the games i tried (WoW, War, AoC, Aion, Rappelz, 2 moons, cabal, PWI, Dungeon Runners, Exteel, CoX, a couple others im probably missing) and while they will often give you a sense of accomplishment that it seems players mistake for fun (and a couple i have had some fun on), None delivered enough actual fun compared to GW imo.
I rarely ever post on the mmorpg.com boards, but I felt like it today
I liked guildwars, it was fun and enjoyable for a time. The PvE was fun and I liked the storylines. The only downfall of this game for me was the pvp system.
Some of you guys say that guildwars pvp is good, and LOL to that. The only reason I didn't like it was becuase I had experienced A LOT better pvp in a game called dark age of camelot. No one ever mentions this game, most likely becuase most people don't even know it exists. This is mostly due to it being unadvertised and old, yet its still up therre on the top mmorpg list for a reason.
I look forward to guildwars 2, but I hope the devs completely overhaul the pvp system and add flavor to it. Guildwars pvp is sandbox pvp. You are confined to small borders in an arena and the class mechanics in pvp aren't all that great as well as the pvp mechanics are terrible in the first, which is why I couldn't stick with it after I had got my PvE fix from the game.
DAOC pve is nothing compared to guildwars, but the pvp system is what has kept me around all these years. It is not confined to an arena, there are many objectives, and there are many different playstyles whether you like to go out into the frontiers solo, in a duo/trio, 8v8, zerg, stealther, etc...
For those who don't know what I'm talking about or have never heard of the game, here are a couple youtube videos that I made which showcase daoc pvp. It is my opinion that this game is 1000% better then all current mmos out on the market, COMBINED. I say this becuase I've tried them all, yet this underadvertised, "unknown" game has kept me all these years.
8v8:
8v8 with zerg bust:
zerg relic raid:
if you are interested in more do a youtube search, if you want to see more of my videos check out filefront.com/user/lurandal
thanks for reading And this post is just to point out how I hope guildwars2 improves on its pvp system, for some people out there have experienced great fun, I would love guildwars 2 to be better then DAOC pvp, then I would love it
DAOC and GW pvp are completely different. If you didn't like arena style pvp than yeah, GW is not going to be your cup of tea. However, if you did enjoy the competitive arena style pvp than nothing beats GW. DAOC was unbalanced as hell but it was fairly fun.
ow this thread is about guild wars 2, not about your life situation. Plenty of people have tough situations. I dont want to hear about your personals or anything about your life, I just want to know your opinion on guildwars2.
Alright this thread is going no where lol!, Just leave it be you dont have to post and flame me.
Yeah we do you said something which reads like "Let the flame begin!" As far as your OP I see what your saying but then I do not you mention all these games and their playstyle and say they have all failed to some extent and then say GW hasnt' Which is relatively true but the fact is you basically say it in your second question F2P vs P2P basically its just umcomparable. We have no clue how GW would have been as a P2P but likely not all that great. ITs current format of F2P works best because of all tha bang for your buck. So its just not comparable theme park obviously works the most lucrative games are all along that line so its pointless to ask since most mmos are also along that line. As far as if gw2 would be comming out if GW was a P2P well it really doesnt matter. If you cna make mone successful game you will usually shoot for another GW was/is successful so they are going to come out with another. Kinda pointless question but you asked so people answered.
I rarely ever post on the mmorpg.com boards, but I felt like it today
I liked guildwars, it was fun and enjoyable for a time. The PvE was fun and I liked the storylines. The only downfall of this game for me was the pvp system.
Some of you guys say that guildwars pvp is good, and LOL to that. The only reason I didn't like it was becuase I had experienced A LOT better pvp in a game called dark age of camelot. No one ever mentions this game, most likely becuase most people don't even know it exists. This is mostly due to it being unadvertised and old, yet its still up therre on the top mmorpg list for a reason.
I look forward to guildwars 2, but I hope the devs completely overhaul the pvp system and add flavor to it. Guildwars pvp is sandbox pvp. You are confined to small borders in an arena and the class mechanics in pvp aren't all that great as well as the pvp mechanics are terrible in the first, which is why I couldn't stick with it after I had got my PvE fix from the game.
DAOC pve is nothing compared to guildwars, but the pvp system is what has kept me around all these years. It is not confined to an arena, there are many objectives, and there are many different playstyles whether you like to go out into the frontiers solo, in a duo/trio, 8v8, zerg, stealther, etc...
For those who don't know what I'm talking about or have never heard of the game, here are a couple youtube videos that I made which showcase daoc pvp. It is my opinion that this game is 1000% better then all current mmos out on the market, COMBINED. I say this becuase I've tried them all, yet this underadvertised, "unknown" game has kept me all these years.
8v8:
8v8 with zerg bust:
zerg relic raid:
if you are interested in more do a youtube search, if you want to see more of my videos check out filefront.com/user/lurandal
thanks for reading And this post is just to point out how I hope guildwars2 improves on its pvp system, for some people out there have experienced great fun, I would love guildwars 2 to be better then DAOC pvp, then I would love it
You should really read up on GW2, especially the PvP. They are not only keeping the arena style PvP but also adding The Mists which is a massive PvP zone where everyone from 3 different servers can battle it out constantly for control of resources, objectives, etc.
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The only successful sandbox was UO. Every other successful MMO has been theme park. Sandboxes are a great concept, but attract the worst communities (see DFO/MO).
Neither DFO nor MO are sandboxes. They are FFA PvP MMO's. There actually is a difference. While a sandbox may include FFA PvP and imho should it does not mean any MMO with FFA PvP is a sandbox.
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why people play cod mw2 for hours, always the same mode, the same maps, beacause it's fun! The same thing with guild wars - leveling up is not your goal here, the goal is to have so much fun! Gw2 will be always changing world with many interesting things to do, with increadible gameplay and story. Why mmos should have grinding when you can have fun instead.
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Ok, I'll give you that one. DFO/MO are just the closest thing to a sandbox that's come out for a while.
The funny thing is, most people will agree UO is a sandbox, and even though UO has quests, people still hold that you can't have quests in a sandbox.
Darkfall is indeed a sandbox MMORPG, it includes PvP, but its a sandbox all the same. As far as successful sandboxes go, Eve is successful, and SWG was successful, and Darkfall is successful.
In fact, Eve and Darkfall are the only two well known MMORPGs steadiy growing in subscriptions. Games like WAR, Aion, and AoC imploded and have been shrinking since launch.
I always forget about EVE. Good point. For Darkfall, maybe it's changed but when I played it seemed small and pretty much more like a big multiplayer PvP map than a world.
They've been steadily improving it post release, and its had two expansions with a third one due any day now. Just like Eve its being fleshed out more and more as it goes. Adding new mob AI, wildlife, housing, more crafting options, dynamic lore driven player events, specializations, ect ect.
This. Also I found the PvE plotline to be immersive and interesting.
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Let's not forget that Guild Wars is NOT an MMO. The devs don't even call it any MMO. There is very little massive about it.
The biggest draws of Guild Wars are the constant updates along with the well balanced, albeit small scaled PvP.
The BIGGEST draw though, is that its free.
It's not free.
The biggest draw, at least for me, is that it is a fun game to play.
Yeah, EvE is definitely one worth mentioning. DFO though hasn't changed to much in the offering department. There is still pretty much just PvE and PvP. They have a patch that is going to add some additional things like funhulks and flag markers that you can use for some player run events that will add to the sandbox aspect but that is just a start in heading in the direction of a sandbox. Whether they flesh that out or not only time will tell.
Currently DFO is still not a sandbox though.
It isn't a real MMO, so it doesn't have a monthly fee, and that is its biggest draw.
Fine, you should have said no monthly fee then. And no that's not the biggest draw for everyone, maybe for you but not for me.
I would have payed a subscription fee for this game. That's right. I said it. I played GW1 for a solid 3 yrs to the exculsion of everything else. After that i stopped to try out alot of other games. I stopped because i didnt want to get to burned out on it even though i was still enjoying it. And i wanted to broaden my mmo experiences a bit to play with some friends on other games. Out of all the games i tried (WoW, War, AoC, Aion, Rappelz, 2 moons, cabal, PWI, Dungeon Runners, Exteel, CoX, a couple others im probably missing) and while they will often give you a sense of accomplishment that it seems players mistake for fun (and a couple i have had some fun on), None delivered enough actual fun compared to GW imo.
Cause theme parks is where people go and have fun, while sandbox is where you take your cat to do it's stuff.
On a better note:
GW PVE was fun for me for 6 months. GW PVP was fun for the rest 4 years. With the most balanced and interesting PVP there were to be found.
Being an MMO, or not at all, has nothing to do with subscription fees. Look at all those F2P MMOs, they don't require a monthly fee.
I rarely ever post on the mmorpg.com boards, but I felt like it today
I liked guildwars, it was fun and enjoyable for a time. The PvE was fun and I liked the storylines. The only downfall of this game for me was the pvp system.
Some of you guys say that guildwars pvp is good, and LOL to that. The only reason I didn't like it was becuase I had experienced A LOT better pvp in a game called dark age of camelot. No one ever mentions this game, most likely becuase most people don't even know it exists. This is mostly due to it being unadvertised and old, yet its still up therre on the top mmorpg list for a reason.
I look forward to guildwars 2, but I hope the devs completely overhaul the pvp system and add flavor to it. Guildwars pvp is sandbox pvp. You are confined to small borders in an arena and the class mechanics in pvp aren't all that great as well as the pvp mechanics are terrible in the first, which is why I couldn't stick with it after I had got my PvE fix from the game.
DAOC pve is nothing compared to guildwars, but the pvp system is what has kept me around all these years. It is not confined to an arena, there are many objectives, and there are many different playstyles whether you like to go out into the frontiers solo, in a duo/trio, 8v8, zerg, stealther, etc...
For those who don't know what I'm talking about or have never heard of the game, here are a couple youtube videos that I made which showcase daoc pvp. It is my opinion that this game is 1000% better then all current mmos out on the market, COMBINED. I say this becuase I've tried them all, yet this underadvertised, "unknown" game has kept me all these years.
8v8:
8v8 with zerg bust:
zerg relic raid:
if you are interested in more do a youtube search, if you want to see more of my videos check out filefront.com/user/lurandal
thanks for reading
And this post is just to point out how I hope guildwars2 improves on its pvp system, for some people out there have experienced great fun, I would love guildwars 2 to be better then DAOC pvp, then I would love it 
DAOC and GW pvp are completely different. If you didn't like arena style pvp than yeah, GW is not going to be your cup of tea. However, if you did enjoy the competitive arena style pvp than nothing beats GW. DAOC was unbalanced as hell but it was fairly fun.
Yeah we do you said something which reads like "Let the flame begin!" As far as your OP I see what your saying but then I do not you mention all these games and their playstyle and say they have all failed to some extent and then say GW hasnt' Which is relatively true but the fact is you basically say it in your second question F2P vs P2P basically its just umcomparable. We have no clue how GW would have been as a P2P but likely not all that great. ITs current format of F2P works best because of all tha bang for your buck. So its just not comparable theme park obviously works the most lucrative games are all along that line so its pointless to ask since most mmos are also along that line. As far as if gw2 would be comming out if GW was a P2P well it really doesnt matter. If you cna make mone successful game you will usually shoot for another GW was/is successful so they are going to come out with another. Kinda pointless question but you asked so people answered.
You should really read up on GW2, especially the PvP. They are not only keeping the arena style PvP but also adding The Mists which is a massive PvP zone where everyone from 3 different servers can battle it out constantly for control of resources, objectives, etc.