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bhronnbhronn Member Posts: 46

1: You have 17 equiptment slots. Every piece of equiptment degrades fairly fast with weapons degrading faster than any other piece. Every piece depending on what you wear and what class your playing at the time, needs a different craftsman to repair it. Each piece of gear takes roughly 1 minute to repair no matter the % of degredation. NPC repairers only repair an item to 50%. I wont go into upgrades and how they are gotten. its still sorta in the air if some will be NPC sold or mostly all from crafting.

 

2: There is no AH. There are market instances where each seller puts up a store (FFXIV calls them retainers). You are charged for the store, charged to put an item up for sale and charged for selling. There is no way to see what everyone has unless you manually check each and every store. A person can set thier store on top of yours currently which can make targeting yours.. harder. These retainers are independant of your character and can be selling even while your offline.

 

3: To craft a levequest it takes clicking through 9 windows to begin crafting. If you LD for any reason you fail the quest(this goes for any type of levequest) . Skillup are randomly awarded even if you succeed in the crafting.(its a little more indepth than this but for all intents and purposes, its random) . There are no recipies or recipe lists in game. To craft you have to figure out the right combination of materials and once you do, you have to remember them. There is no way in game currently to keep track of them.

 

4: Alt+ tab will auto disconnect your game. I list this here because you will need a second monitor to look up recipes for the above crafting.

 

5: While in battle, you have to manually target each mob. If a mob is hitting you it does not auto target them. If your fighting 2 mobs at 1 time and you kill the first, the second will usually get 2 more shots on you before you can target it and get a skill to activate. (this is subjective but on avg its 2 shots depending on lag or how many other targets are around you.)

 

6: Currently there is no true tutorial. pretty much everything you figure out on your own or by reading websites.The first few minutes of the game is a"sorta" battle tutorial that plays without actually telling you what to do.

 

7: The UI is slow to respond to either control scheme be it KB/mouse or gamepad. Multiple errors accure depending on numerous situations. Gamepad keys are not working for all window menus most notibly the accept command for selecting crafting levequests or putting skills on your hotbar. It takes multiple windows to complete simple tasks in the UI for every task.

 

8: The game still stutters even on high end machines. A lot of high end configurations are performing worse than midrange systems comparably.

 

9: FFXIV's way of telling mob strength is out of whack depending on the mob. A green dot goat hits for 200's while a green dot mole hits for 25's.

 

10: if you die on a levequest you auto fail it and dont get any rewards.

 

11: If you pan the camera out and come across a wall, the camera will not auto pan back out to where you had it set. You will need to pan it back out yourself.

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Comments

  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

    Yikes, looks like this is really turning into a problem with some people. I understand FFXIV and SquareEnix are their own idea makers, but when it comes to the GUI, there's just good ideas and bad ideas.

    I hope for the best for this game simply for the competition, but it seems like they built this game from a pre-WoW perspective. Will still be trying it out just to exhaust all my options.

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Thanks for the heads up.  Now I know what to expect and look for improvements on when I play at launch.

  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Yikes, looks like this is really turning into a problem with some people. I understand FFXIV and SquareEnix are their own idea makers, but when it comes to the GUI, there's just good ideas and bad ideas.

    I hope for the best for this game simply for the competition, but it seems like they built this game from a pre-WoW perspective. Will still be trying it out just to exhaust all my options.

     I'm amazed the same people that cry wow clone, are the ones that bash games for not going the wow/themepark route... What the hell is it with these people????

     

    Look... I am buying this game, but my concerns are not about it being wow clone, or pre wow w/e... I am worried about all this crap I am hearing about the controls and the bad performance on top of the line computers.  Other things have cuaght my attention aswell.

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    "When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"

  • RaxeonRaxeon Member UncommonPosts: 2,288

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Yikes, looks like this is really turning into a problem with some people. I understand FFXIV and SquareEnix are their own idea makers, but when it comes to the GUI, there's just good ideas and bad ideas.

    I hope for the best for this game simply for the competition, but it seems like they built this game from a pre-WoW perspective. Will still be trying it out just to exhaust all my options.

     in my eyes thats a good thing

  • EtraEtra Member UncommonPosts: 164

    Originally posted by bhronn

    1: You have 17 equiptment slots. Every piece of equiptment degrades fairly fast with weapons degrading faster than any other piece. Every piece depending on what you wear and what class your playing at the time, needs a different craftsman to repair it. Each piece of gear takes roughly 1 minute to repair no matter the % of degredation. NPC repairers only repair an item to 50%. I wont go into upgrades and how they are gotten. its still sorta in the air if some will be NPC sold or mostly all from crafting.

     I haven't experienced this mechanic of the game yet. I was told you could just use one NPC for your repairs.

    2: There is no AH. There are market instances where each seller puts up a store. You are charged for the store, charged to put an item up for sale and charged for selling. There is no way to see what everyone has unless you manually check each and every store. A person can set thier store on top of yours currently which can make targeting yours.. harder.

     There's an AH, but it's locked for beta (for some reason.) The market place is the optional way of selling things like in XI.

    3: To craft a levequest it takes clicking through 9 windows to begin crafting. If you LD for any reason you fail the quest(this goes for any type of levequest) . Skillup are randomly awarded even if you succeed in the crafting.(its a little more indepth than this but for all intents and purposes, its random) . There are no recipies or recipe lists in game. To craft you have to figure out the right combination of materials and once you do, you have to remember them. There is no way in game currently to keep track of them.

     I have to agree. The no recipe thing makes me rage on the inside a little. SE should of learned from XI on this. -_- Dislike having to have a notebook full of recipes next to my PC.

    4: Alt+ tab will auto disconnect your game. I list this here because you will need a second monitor to look up recipes for the above crafting.

     As far as I'm aware, this is a bug. Can always play in window mode, as well.

    5: While in battle, you have to manually target each mob. If a mob is hitting you it does not auto target them. If your fighting 2 mobs at 1 time and you kill the first, the second will usually get 2 more shots on you before you can target it and get a skill to activate. (this is subjective but on avg its 2 shots depending on lag or how many other targets are around you.)

     This is normal and I don't dislike or it like it. Find it comes in handy sometimes when you just don't want to target that other thing.

    6: Currently there is no true tutorial. pretty much everything you figure out on your own or by reading websites.The first few minutes of the game is a"sorta" battle tutorial that plays without actually telling you what to do.

     This. This. And oh my God, this. The opening storyline-tutorial thing is neat... But it doesn't tell you HOW to do things. Just tells you to do them.

    Game: DU IT NAO.

    You: {pulls out hair facerolling trying to figure out what key/key combination to press}

    7: The UI is slow to respond to either control scheme be it KB/mouse or gamepad. Multiple errors accure depending on numerous situations. Gamepad keys are not working for all window menus most notibly the accept command for selecting crafting levequests or putting skills on your hotbar. It takes multiple windows to complete simple tasks in the UI for every task.

     This is the work-in-progress FPS caps and UI tweaks issue. There are way too many windows when one or two would suffice. x_x

    8: The game still stutters even on high end machines. A lot of high end configurations are performing worse than midrange systems comparably.

    Seems to be a phase 3 issue. ATI cards are having some pretty bad problems this time around. I know, personally, my game drops in FPS at random times for absolutely no reason (I'm not moving, moving the camera, nothing comes on or off screen.) And then I run into the starter camp and I don't lag at all... Yep. They'll fix it, though. [I use an ATI HD5670.]

    9: FFXIV's way of telling mob strength is out of whack depending on the mob. A green dot goat hits for 200's while a green dot mole hits for 25's.

    This is just a bug.

    10: if you die on a levequest you auto fail it and dont get any rewards.

     ...O_o I died on a levequest and I didn't fail. I just went back, killed the thing, and completed it.

    11: If you pan the camera out and come across a wall, the camera will not auto pan back out to where you had it set. You will need to pan it back out yourself.

    Sounds just like a camera bug that'll get fixed next phase.

    Orange.

  • BesttheiswowBesttheiswow Member Posts: 301

    Wow this is what i call a stone-age game...mmorpg going back in time..instead of improving...

  • Honeymoon69Honeymoon69 Member Posts: 647

    haha thats what beta board suggested; copy WoW if they cant figure out how to make UI work.

  • bhronnbhronn Member Posts: 46

    You got lucky on the complete the quest after death then. I tested this on 8 levequests today. Every single one failed me upon death. Could be a bug i guess.

     

    Im sad to say that no there is no Ah planned for release.

     

    yea you can use an NPC to repair everything. They "only" repair any item to 50% tho and they are sorta expensive.

  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

    Originally posted by Raxeon

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Yikes, looks like this is really turning into a problem with some people. I understand FFXIV and SquareEnix are their own idea makers, but when it comes to the GUI, there's just good ideas and bad ideas.

    I hope for the best for this game simply for the competition, but it seems like they built this game from a pre-WoW perspective. Will still be trying it out just to exhaust all my options.

     in my eyes thats a good thing

     So instead of having buttons and menus in easily recongizable places, making everything more complicated and random is a good thing?

     

    I think your eyes got some rose glass in them.

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690

    This is why my CE for FFXIV was cancelled and now Cataclysm is in order for this year. Sadly Square Enix lost the winning forumal they had for FFXI when they were making FFXIV.

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  • EtraEtra Member UncommonPosts: 164

    Originally posted by SaintViktor

    This is why my CE for FFXIV was cancelled and now Cataclysm is in order for this year. Sadly Square Enix lost the winning forumal they had for FFXI when they were making FFXIV.

    Cataclysm is even worse. -____- I'm in that beta, too. xP

    (And by worse, I mean just not exciting.)

  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Yikes, looks like this is really turning into a problem with some people. I understand FFXIV and SquareEnix are their own idea makers, but when it comes to the GUI, there's just good ideas and bad ideas.

    I hope for the best for this game simply for the competition, but it seems like they built this game from a pre-WoW perspective. Will still be trying it out just to exhaust all my options.

     I'm amazed the same people that cry wow clone, are the ones that bash games for not going the wow/themepark route... What the hell is it with these people????

     

    Look... I am buying this game, but my concerns are not about it being wow clone, or pre wow w/e... I am worried about all this crap I am hearing about the controls and the bad performance on top of the line computers.  Other things have cuaght my attention aswell.

     That's what I'm talking about, you ditz. Read between the lines. I said that the GUI (interface) seems like something pre-WoW, when interfaces were different between every game you went to. (EQ had the hexabox, DAoC had a skill bar, SWG didn't have either of those.)

    The controls are EXACTLY what I was talking about. The instance for selling and no navigation seems exactly like the Bazaar in Everquest pre-NGE.

     

    I didn't even talk about being a WoW clone. I think you just nerd raged a little too hard.

     i knew I would get a response like this the moment I stepped out to smoke my cigarette.  Either way it goes people are bashing the game now for not having a wow like combat system.  Kind of ironic I think.

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    "When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"

  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

    Originally posted by Etra

    Originally posted by SaintViktor

    This is why my CE for FFXIV was cancelled and now Cataclysm is in order for this year. Sadly Square Enix lost the winning forumal they had for FFXI when they were making FFXIV.

    Cataclysm is even worse. -____- I'm in that beta, too. xP

    (And by worse, I mean just not exciting.)

     Atleast it doesn't leave your fingers in knots. :D

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by Etra

    Originally posted by SaintViktor

    This is why my CE for FFXIV was cancelled and now Cataclysm is in order for this year. Sadly Square Enix lost the winning forumal they had for FFXI when they were making FFXIV.

    Cataclysm is even worse. -____- I'm in that beta, too. xP

    (And by worse, I mean just not exciting.)

     I would have to agree with you on this one. I got into the beta played cata and unsubbed my entire wow account after that mess.

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    "When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"

  • EtraEtra Member UncommonPosts: 164

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by Etra


    Originally posted by SaintViktor

    This is why my CE for FFXIV was cancelled and now Cataclysm is in order for this year. Sadly Square Enix lost the winning forumal they had for FFXI when they were making FFXIV.

    Cataclysm is even worse. -____- I'm in that beta, too. xP

    (And by worse, I mean just not exciting.)

     Atleast it doesn't leave your fingers in knots. :D

    XIV doesn't. I use a controller.

    Lessens pain in my wrists from carpal tunnel, too.

  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Yikes, looks like this is really turning into a problem with some people. I understand FFXIV and SquareEnix are their own idea makers, but when it comes to the GUI, there's just good ideas and bad ideas.

    I hope for the best for this game simply for the competition, but it seems like they built this game from a pre-WoW perspective. Will still be trying it out just to exhaust all my options.

     I'm amazed the same people that cry wow clone, are the ones that bash games for not going the wow/themepark route... What the hell is it with these people????

     

    Look... I am buying this game, but my concerns are not about it being wow clone, or pre wow w/e... I am worried about all this crap I am hearing about the controls and the bad performance on top of the line computers.  Other things have cuaght my attention aswell.

     That's what I'm talking about, you ditz. Read between the lines. I said that the GUI (interface) seems like something pre-WoW, when interfaces were different between every game you went to. (EQ had the hexabox, DAoC had a skill bar, SWG didn't have either of those.)

    The controls are EXACTLY what I was talking about. The instance for selling and no navigation seems exactly like the Bazaar in Everquest pre-NGE.

     

    I didn't even talk about being a WoW clone. I think you just nerd raged a little too hard.

     i knew I would get a response like this the moment I stepped out to smoke my cigarette.  Either way it goes people are bashing the game now for not having a wow like combat system.  Kind of ironic I think.

     Are you slightly retarded? I want you to do CTRL+F and type combat and FIND where the heck I even mentioned it in my post. I'm bashing the game for offering an unfimilar and difficult interface that just makes things more complicated rather than being user friendly.

     

    Please read more carefully. :)

     there is no reason for all the name calling.  I know exaclty what you are talking about. I played pre cu swg and the interface /targetting system was horrid. I think  what people are talking about is something along the lines of this. I was calling it combat , because that is where the problems would arise. As oppose to a more wow user-frienldy targetting/combat system.

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    "When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Edit: Nm, found an answer to my own question.

  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Yikes, looks like this is really turning into a problem with some people. I understand FFXIV and SquareEnix are their own idea makers, but when it comes to the GUI, there's just good ideas and bad ideas.

    I hope for the best for this game simply for the competition, but it seems like they built this game from a pre-WoW perspective. Will still be trying it out just to exhaust all my options.

     I'm amazed the same people that cry wow clone, are the ones that bash games for not going the wow/themepark route... What the hell is it with these people????

     

    Look... I am buying this game, but my concerns are not about it being wow clone, or pre wow w/e... I am worried about all this crap I am hearing about the controls and the bad performance on top of the line computers.  Other things have cuaght my attention aswell.

     That's what I'm talking about, you ditz. Read between the lines. I said that the GUI (interface) seems like something pre-WoW, when interfaces were different between every game you went to. (EQ had the hexabox, DAoC had a skill bar, SWG didn't have either of those.)

    The controls are EXACTLY what I was talking about. The instance for selling and no navigation seems exactly like the Bazaar in Everquest pre-NGE.

     

    I didn't even talk about being a WoW clone. I think you just nerd raged a little too hard.

     i knew I would get a response like this the moment I stepped out to smoke my cigarette.  Either way it goes people are bashing the game now for not having a wow like combat system.  Kind of ironic I think.

     Are you slightly retarded? I want you to do CTRL+F and type combat and FIND where the heck I even mentioned it in my post. I'm bashing the game for offering an unfimilar and difficult interface that just makes things more complicated rather than being user friendly.

     

    Please read more carefully. :)

     there is no reason for all the name calling.  I know exaclty what you are talking about. I played pre cu swg and the interface /targetting system was horrid. I think  what people are talking about is something along the lines of this. I was calling it combat , because that is where the problems would arise. As oppose to a more wow user-frienldy targetting/combat system.

     I understand that the FFXIV combat has a similar feel to the single player games. Kind of like a "on next attack" type of combat. That's fine, whatever. However, the targeting system that even WoW uses has been in place since EQ. No point in reinventing the wheel. Sorry for calling you names, my GTX 480 just got here and the UPS guy was giving me a hell of a time.

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

    Originally posted by Etra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by Etra

    Originally posted by SaintViktor

    This is why my CE for FFXIV was cancelled and now Cataclysm is in order for this year. Sadly Square Enix lost the winning forumal they had for FFXI when they were making FFXIV.

    Cataclysm is even worse. -____- I'm in that beta, too. xP

    (And by worse, I mean just not exciting.)

     Atleast it doesn't leave your fingers in knots. :D

    XIV doesn't. I use a controller.

    Lessens pain in my wrists from carpal tunnel, too.

     Controller for the computer or planning on waiting for the PS3 release?

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • RosmariiniRosmariini Member UncommonPosts: 154

    Just more for me not pre-order, and also just not buy the game and wait for GW2

    Currently playing: N/A :(
    Retired from: GW, WAR, Aion, LOTRO, Rift, SW:TOR, Vinductus


  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Benthon

    Yikes, looks like this is really turning into a problem with some people. I understand FFXIV and SquareEnix are their own idea makers, but when it comes to the GUI, there's just good ideas and bad ideas.

    I hope for the best for this game simply for the competition, but it seems like they built this game from a pre-WoW perspective. Will still be trying it out just to exhaust all my options.

     I'm amazed the same people that cry wow clone, are the ones that bash games for not going the wow/themepark route... What the hell is it with these people????

     

    Look... I am buying this game, but my concerns are not about it being wow clone, or pre wow w/e... I am worried about all this crap I am hearing about the controls and the bad performance on top of the line computers.  Other things have cuaght my attention aswell.

     That's what I'm talking about, you ditz. Read between the lines. I said that the GUI (interface) seems like something pre-WoW, when interfaces were different between every game you went to. (EQ had the hexabox, DAoC had a skill bar, SWG didn't have either of those.)

    The controls are EXACTLY what I was talking about. The instance for selling and no navigation seems exactly like the Bazaar in Everquest pre-NGE.

     

    I didn't even talk about being a WoW clone. I think you just nerd raged a little too hard.

     i knew I would get a response like this the moment I stepped out to smoke my cigarette.  Either way it goes people are bashing the game now for not having a wow like combat system.  Kind of ironic I think.

     Are you slightly retarded? I want you to do CTRL+F and type combat and FIND where the heck I even mentioned it in my post. I'm bashing the game for offering an unfimilar and difficult interface that just makes things more complicated rather than being user friendly.

     

    Please read more carefully. :)

     there is no reason for all the name calling.  I know exaclty what you are talking about. I played pre cu swg and the interface /targetting system was horrid. I think  what people are talking about is something along the lines of this. I was calling it combat , because that is where the problems would arise. As oppose to a more wow user-frienldy targetting/combat system.

     I understand that the FFXIV combat has a similar feel to the single player games. Kind of like a "on next attack" type of combat. That's fine, whatever. However, the targeting system that even WoW uses has been in place since EQ. No point in reinventing the wheel. Sorry for calling you names, my GTX 480 just got here and the UPS guy was giving me a hell of a time.

     Well, gratz on your upgrade. I was gonna go with the gtx 460, would be an upgrade from my 9800gtx+ I am using atm.

     

    480 I hear tend to generate lots of heat, so I assume you will be taking poper measures to cool it.

    Anyhow, I like the wow targetting system.   I think they should have went with it, hopefully this game isn't designed with the expectations that you would use a controller. I know it is a ps3 game and square soft/enix have been making console games forever. I honestly don't feel like buying a controller to play this game. I prefer my keyboard :P

     

    EDIT*** yea, i am playing this one on PC, so no controller for me.

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    "When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"

  • bhronnbhronn Member Posts: 46

    Do yourself a favor. if you really intend to buy this game, go to newegg and buy a gamepad.

  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069



     Well, gratz on your upgrade. I was gonna go with the gtx 460, would be an upgrade from my 9800gtx+ I am using atm.
     
    480 I hear tend to generate lots of heat, so I assume you will be taking poper measures to cool it.
    Anyhow, I like the wow targetting system.   I think they should have went with it, hopefully this game isn't designed with the expectations that you would use a controller. I know it is a ps3 game and square soft/enix have been making console games forever. I honestly don't feel like buying a controller to play this game. I prefer my keyboard :P

    EDIT*** yea, i am playing this one on PC, so no controller for me.

    It's not too bad really. It's mostly the horror stories from people running it in SLI or with poorly cooled cases. I decided on the NZXT Phantom, which has 8 fans.

    Looks like to make the best of this game you're going to need a controller. ><

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by sungodra

     Well, gratz on your upgrade. I was gonna go with the gtx 460, would be an upgrade from my 9800gtx+ I am using atm.

     

    480 I hear tend to generate lots of heat, so I assume you will be taking poper measures to cool it.

    Anyhow, I like the wow targetting system.   I think they should have went with it, hopefully this game isn't designed with the expectations that you would use a controller. I know it is a ps3 game and square soft/enix have been making console games forever. I honestly don't feel like buying a controller to play this game. I prefer my keyboard :P

     

    EDIT*** yea, i am playing this one on PC, so no controller for me.

    They are putting in the same alternative WASD control scheme from FFXI, and I had no problems playing with that -  I don't see why anyone else would either, but it works fine either with that or a gamepad.  A gamepad certainly isn't required to "get the most out of the game" - it's just personal preference.

  • bhronnbhronn Member Posts: 46

    Sir dont kid yourself. its exponentially easier to play the game currently with a gamepad. Im testing with both.

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