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Actually I started this thread because i had 12 PMs this morning asking me about the game. Ive since recieved a few more. Call me lazy but I wrote the thread instead of replying to each. Thats beside the fact that there are people out there that want the info I posted. just because you dont isnt the issue. What i tried to do was give the facts without an opinion. Instead of a conversation (like what i thought the first page was going to produce) I got many people that arent even in the beta, who dont know anything about the game 1st hand, coming in and flaming or sidetracking the post.
Yes I assumed you were going to retort to that comment with melodramatic nonsense, to equate playing a computer game because you clicked in some random box that you would so that you can now send in reports of the same thing atleast another hundred also report in about... thats not integrity, thats self grandification.
Spend that time on something you enjoy instead because atleast that might help you feel better and help you maintain a healthy mentality throughout a longer period of time, or do something productive with it.
Maybe that quality is rare to find in people though? its called, intelligence.
A difference in opinion then. Thinking im not the brightest lightbulb just because i continue to fulill an obligation that i agreed to is your opinion. Your anonomous opinion doesnt really hold any value to me.
You did an awful job of trying to keep your opinion out LOL
1: You have 17 equiptment slots. Every piece of equiptment degrades fairly fast with weapons degrading faster than any other piece. Every piece depending on what you wear and what class your playing at the time, needs a different craftsman to repair it. Each piece of gear takes roughly 1 minute to repair no matter the % of degredation. NPC repairers only repair an item to 50%. I wont go into upgrades and how they are gotten. its still sorta in the air if some will be NPC sold or mostly all from crafting.
Anyone in the game can pick up a hammer and be a blacksmith, blacksmiths repair equipment far better then NPCs and should alwyas be used.
2: There is no AH. There are market instances where each seller puts up a store (FFXIV calls them retainers). You are charged for the store, charged to put an item up for sale and charged for selling. There is no way to see what everyone has unless you manually check each and every store. A person can set thier store on top of yours currently which can make targeting yours.. harder. These retainers are independant of your character and can be selling even while your offline.
The AH is not being tested as SE has already said they are only letting us beta users test about 10% of the game, as for the market district its pretty awesome but pretty standard for any game with player shops
3: To craft a levequest it takes clicking through 9 windows to begin crafting. If you LD for any reason you fail the quest(this goes for any type of levequest) . Skillup are randomly awarded even if you succeed in the crafting.(its a little more indepth than this but for all intents and purposes, its random) . There are no recipies or recipe lists in game. To craft you have to figure out the right combination of materials and once you do, you have to remember them. There is no way in game currently to keep track of them.
Havent done to much of this so cant say alot, but there shouldnt be a recipe list in the game, it makes players accualy work for their products and lets people have 1 ups on others who dont remember their recipes.
4: Alt+ tab will auto disconnect your game. I list this here because you will need a second monitor to look up recipes for the above crafting.
The disconnecting is a bug
5: While in battle, you have to manually target each mob. If a mob is hitting you it does not auto target them. If your fighting 2 mobs at 1 time and you kill the first, the second will usually get 2 more shots on you before you can target it and get a skill to activate. (this is subjective but on avg its 2 shots depending on lag or how many other targets are around you.)
Yes the combat requires you to actively do everything yourself, its not candy coated and auto, but once you lock on to a target your character sticks with them through the thick and thin till they are dead or you decide to run away.
6: Currently there is no true tutorial. pretty much everything you figure out on your own or by reading websites.The first few minutes of the game is a"sorta" battle tutorial that plays without actually telling you what to do.
the ingame tutorial is a starting storyline that introduces you to the game and city you start in, but it is not the typical easy tutorial it last for a while, but otherwise you must learn on your own like MMOs should be.
7: The UI is slow to respond to either control scheme be it KB/mouse or gamepad. Multiple errors accure depending on numerous situations. Gamepad keys are not working for all window menus most notibly the accept command for selecting crafting levequests or putting skills on your hotbar. It takes multiple windows to complete simple tasks in the UI for every task.
The UI has a little sluggishness when using the mouse but each new beta this gets better, using it with only the keyboard or the console work just fine, yes there are alot of Ui windows to go through, not a big deal.
8: The game still stutters even on high end machines. A lot of high end configurations are performing worse than midrange systems comparably.
People arnt tweaking their settings enough, I run a low end machine and dont have any issues with things turned down. On the flip side every update they add more resolutions, graphic options, and it gets better on low machines.
9: FFXIV's way of telling mob strength is out of whack depending on the mob. A green dot goat hits for 200's while a green dot mole hits for 25's.
They have animals in the world that purely exist, you dont get to kno how strong stuff is in the wild, only on quests do they seem to be scaled, this is amazing in my eyes but lowbies are whining that they cant kill any animal they see.
10: if you die on a levequest you auto fail it and dont get any rewards.
This has been fixed, if you die on a mission it teleport you to the starting spot and you continue it, some missions do still bug but they are fixing them every patch.
11: If you pan the camera out and come across a wall, the camera will not auto pan back out to where you had it set. You will need to pan it back out yourself.
Like typical Final fantasy games there is no camera lock so it doesnt keep focus'd on the back of your character and snap back when you pan away, this just takes time to adjust to like any game.
In the end the game isnt complete, they are constantly updating and fixing it, but its quickly getting better each time they work on it, they are definitly listening to the testers that are giving them info and I have no doubt this will be great, I will be buying once it releases.
Mess with the best, Die like the rest
I hesitated for FF14, but I'll pass. I won't even try to find a Beta key. I have seen the videos.
Blame it on Warhammer, it was the last MMO I bought and lost money on. Before that I had around 150-200 Euro spending on new/old MMO purchases per year.
And what am I playing for years? Exactly, the Wow game.
I have the impression it only gets worse (Lotro --> TR ---> AoC ---> War ---> Aion ---> DF /ST/ ---> ...).
It appears FF14 was made in a kind of stone pre WOW age of things. I smile at the ones argueing that lacking game features (like recipies) are in fact "hardcore" elements.
What a laugh. Such statements can only come from mmorpg forums.
@ Dalgor
Repairing isnt as simple as picking up a hammer and being a blacksmith and you know it. niether can a BS repair all items.
Cant say any more about the Ah and the market district. probably will be some form of Ah. its not in yet and no one has tested 1. otherwise the market district is as I described.
Some people will enjoy this form of crafting , some wont. All i said was how it worked.
i dont see why people think the alt-tab disconnect is a bug. You couldnt do it in ffxi unless you had windower(a third party addon)
Again some people like and dislike the combat. But lets be honest, it isnt the best combat system you have ever played is it?
There is no true tutorial. just a quest to show you around the city. you do tho sorta learn through trial and error how to control the game.
The single biggest upgrade the Ui saw was because they upped the FPS cap. if they lowered it back to 30 I doubt anyone would have said there had been a fix.
That would have been fine bud to have these types of creaters if they were non attackable or not around a starting city. The deal is tho, you run up to a green con animal and it hits you for 200 to 600 and your 1st reaction is.. yea thats broken.
Maybe it has been fixed and my experience was buggy. i did tho set out to test it with 8 levequest and every single one failed upon my death this last friday.
Again some people will like or dislike the controls. i was just stating how they work.
just because you think i am a troll doesnt mean that i am. the moderators have the last say. It is your choice to to hit the report option and send them a message.
And yet twice now, you've given absolutely no information about gameplay or the good or neutral points the game has going for it.
Your posts are focused straight on the negative, some of the info you post you may be correct on, but it's pretty clear what your intentions are with your posts, defaming and making the game look worse than it really is, for example when you forgot to mention the retainer system involved with setting up a store (which im glad you corrected btw)
Leaving out key information like that can, and is misleading. Whether you intended it or not, i don't know.
Not to mention your personal experince is in no way "factual" about the game. Several other beta testers have already come in this thread and corrected your statement about Leve quests failing upon death for example. This is not an issue encountered apparently by every player/leve, and you failed to mention SE has literally already taken steps to fixing this bug.
Also you say you are giving facts without opinion, and yet you have posts such as this:
"This is just a list of what I have personally tested and wrote indepth feedback on. but I am not the only one with this feedback since it is repeated on the forums daily. Theres many more things i have yet to test. But i can say that this has been the most unfun game i have ever tested. In most games you like or dislike some systems and test them then move on. Every system so far i have tested has been boring or just down right annoying. I didnt put any opinion in the 1st post just because i didnt want to be criticized as stating an opinion. Everything I posted is corrct and factual and up to date as of today in beta."
So even if you were really trying to keep your opinion to yourself, it looks like you ended up spilling it out anyways. Which is fine, your opinion is yours to keep. This thread is more akin to your personal list of problems with the game however, hardly a decent or complete "state of the beta" review.
Alright we can let the thread die. i recently joined this site thinking it was about MMo discussion. My only forays into posting here has been met with some pretty degrading insults and negative behavior.
ill be sure to list these post tho to the administrator as i am canceling my account.
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the problem left so this response is pointless. Please in the future post truly discussable topics.
You are really not in a position to police these forums. The negative energy in this thread was not put there by the OP but by the people hounding the OP from one thread to another.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
I think it is fair to call someone out on their BS when they spread false information.
I have no need to defend my comment however if you want to continue this then do so however youll only be doing the same thing he was doing.
How bout we call this end of thread Nesrie as I will not post again unless you do. See the balls in your court you post again then so will I. I would have kind of like to see the thread end whit his going but we cna just end it here also if you guys choose.
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I don't allow other people to control what I do or do not do. I will stand by what i said initially. There was nothing troll related to OPs first post. There was a lot of flaming by a lot of other people though. Once again, threads don't end just because you say they do.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Not a single person in this thread actually refuted what the 1st post pointed out. The comments in orange were actually helpful and not flaming. It's too bad the rest couldn't follow suit.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
I guess you didn't read my posts and view my screenshots of the Auction House existing which the OP seems to think the game won't have.
I called him out on it and gave proof that it's there, he was hard headed and wouldn't accept it.
All of the points sound like a beta to me. Except for the recipes part (Or rather the lack of). What good will that do? Everyone's gonna be looking them up on websites anyway, might as well just include them? Or atleast have them memorized in some way after you create the first of a type.
EDIT: Oh, and I'm not a fan of user stores. Ends up with crowded city areas where people will lagg their butts off. Especially when your store is up even after logging out. Now, having your own house and then expanding it with a store area.....thats another thing.
The OP is one of the main reasons beta tests are a double-edged sword. It is, afterall a BETA TEST. The bugs exist to be found and fixed. Bringing that information to a site such as this is just plain bad form. I'm glad they have left, as they violated several of the fundamental rules of this communiy.
What are you talking about, it was mentioned the NDA was lifted. Mentioning bugs while talking about a BETA is not bad form. It is to be understood that a lot of those bugs will hopefully be fixed, but guess what, they said the same thing about Vanguard, AoC, Warhammer, STO... the list of buggy releases is pretty large. It's good to know what bugs to look out for and see if they fixed at or near release. There are a lot of you that had issues with the poster, not the post. It shows.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Obviously you had issues with me calling you out as well because you completely ignore truths put in front of you that you don't like. You are being just as blind as the OP was. I had no issues with the poster until he posted non-sense just to slander a game he doesn't like.
I barely addressed you at all. You didn't even quote my reply to what you said. You're not Talin after all. You didn't call me out on anything, you made some generalized statement with no specifics to address which is why I didn't address them. I am referring only to the OP 1st post in this thread, nothing else.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
As I stated to you several posts ago.... Some of his first post has been proven wrong.
From my last post since you obviously didn't see it.
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I guess you didn't read my posts and view my screenshots of the Auction House existing which the OP seems to think the game won't have.
I called him out on it and gave proof that it's there, he was hard headed and wouldn't accept it.
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You've got this obession with calling people out. I am not sure why. A person makes a list of observations. Someone comes on and points out that some of these issues are bugs, someone else mentions xyz features are not yet implemented. Yes, I read that post but not the one where you "called me out" because that was just one sentence with no info. The OP wasn't wrong. The AH isn't there, they were just misinformed as to why it was there.
I went over the list with my friends who are also looking at FFXIV. We noted, like Etra said, a number of things on the list are bugs probably going to be fixed, and the others are features not yet implemented with really the only leading concern being the UI and some performance we know they are working on and hope will prove fruitful.
My only issue is how some peple got on this thread and decided to call it a troll post. That it got heated later, well yeah that happens when you get one person who says a lot of negative things against an upcoming game against a fanbase who is labelling him a troll no matter what he says or does.
I repeat. There was nothing, nothing wrong with the 1st post. Etra's reply was informative and helpful which made the first posts useful. The rest was just this rage and flame fest that was completely unnecessary (including from the OP).
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
So there were things wrong with the 1st post...good to know you just contradicted yourself.