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  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

    Originally posted by Rajen

    Originally posted by Nesrie

    Originally posted by Rajen

     

    Obviously you had issues with me calling you out as well because you completely ignore truths put in front of you that you don't like. You are being just as blind as the OP was. I had no issues with the poster until he posted non-sense just to slander a game he doesn't like.

     I barely addressed you at all. You didn't even quote my reply to what you said. You're not Talin after all. You didn't call me out on anything, you made some generalized statement  with no specifics to address which is why I didn't address them. I am referring only to the OP 1st post in this thread, nothing else.

     

    As I stated to you several posts ago.... Some of his first post has been proven wrong.

    From my last post since you obviously didn't see it.

     

     

    "

    I guess you didn't read my posts and view my screenshots of the Auction House existing which the OP seems to think the game won't have.

     

    I called him out on it and gave proof that it's there, he was hard headed and wouldn't accept it.

     

    "

    There is no Auction House feature in the game, nor a GUI to support it. However, their CLEARLY are plans to implement one at some time from the screenshots posted.

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by Nesrie

    You've got this obession with calling people out. I am not sure why. A person makes a list of observations. Someone comes on and points out that some of these issues are bugs, someone else mentions xyz features are not yet implemented. Yes, I read that post but not the one where you "called me out" because that was just one sentence with no info. The OP wasn't wrong. The AH isn't there, they were just misinformed as to why it was there. 

    I went over the list with my friends who are also looking at FFXIV. We noted, like Etra said, a number of things on the list are bugs probably going to be fixed, and the others are features not yet implemented with really the only leading concern being the UI and some performance we know they are working on and hope will prove fruitful.

    My only issue is how some peple got on this thread and decided to call it a troll post. That it got heated later, well yeah that happens when you get one person who says a lot of negative things against an upcoming game against a fanbase who is labelling him a troll no matter what he says or does.

    I repeat. There was nothing, nothing wrong with the 1st post. Etra's reply was informative and helpful which made the first posts useful. The rest was just this rage and flame fest that was completely unnecessary (including from the OP).

    This thread is dead already - the discussion is pretty much over.  However, I'd like to point something out.

    There are reasons the OP got the responses he did.  I'm not saying they were all warranted necessarily.  However, the day before he made this thread, he made another thread which had no facts, and only negative opinions about the game - telling everyone not to buy it.  He established quite clearly there that he had a bias against the game.

    Then he makes this thread, which isn't even titled "known issues with beta" or "expect such and such".  He just listed negative things about the beta, and then in following posts made it clear that he was trying to use those issues as a premise to go back to his initial position that the game was horrible and no one should buy it.  Even with a list of issues, assuming they were all factual to the best of his knowledge, most did not strongly support his conclusion that we should not buy the game.

    I'm sure you can understand, knowing this now, why he got many of the negative reactions he did.  I'm just trying to put that in perspective for you.

  • godlyoraclegodlyoracle Member Posts: 11

    hey all. sorry for misdirection but i just posted my first thread for this game entitled "can i run it? plz help!" if you could please help me with my question in that thread i would really appreciate it.

  • mainvein33mainvein33 Member Posts: 406

    Originally posted by Nesrie

    Originally posted by Rajen

    Originally posted by Nesrie

    Originally posted by Rajen

     

    Obviously you had issues with me calling you out as well because you completely ignore truths put in front of you that you don't like. You are being just as blind as the OP was. I had no issues with the poster until he posted non-sense just to slander a game he doesn't like.

     I barely addressed you at all. You didn't even quote my reply to what you said. You're not Talin after all. You didn't call me out on anything, you made some generalized statement  with no specifics to address which is why I didn't address them. I am referring only to the OP 1st post in this thread, nothing else.

     

    As I stated to you several posts ago.... Some of his first post has been proven wrong.

    From my last post since you obviously didn't see it.

     

     

    "

    I guess you didn't read my posts and view my screenshots of the Auction House existing which the OP seems to think the game won't have.

     

    I called him out on it and gave proof that it's there, he was hard headed and wouldn't accept it.

     

    "

    You've got this obession with calling people out. I am not sure why. A person makes a list of observations. Someone comes on and points out that some of these issues are bugs, someone else mentions xyz features are not yet implemented. Yes, I read that post but not the one where you "called me out" because that was just one sentence with no info. The OP wasn't wrong. The AH isn't there, they were just misinformed as to why it was there. 

    I went over the list with my friends who are also looking at FFXIV. We noted, like Etra said, a number of things on the list are bugs probably going to be fixed, and the others are features not yet implemented with really the only leading concern being the UI and some performance we know they are working on and hope will prove fruitful.

    My only issue is how some peple got on this thread and decided to call it a troll post. That it got heated later, well yeah that happens when you get one person who says a lot of negative things against an upcoming game against a fanbase who is labelling him a troll no matter what he says or does.

    I repeat. There was nothing, nothing wrong with the 1st post. Etra's reply was informative and helpful which made the first posts useful. The rest was just this rage and flame fest that was completely unnecessary (including from the OP).

    Well too bad that was the response if you are to blind to see the fact that the post was troll that your problem right now your the troll you could have let things be but you insisted on starting sh*t and now its here. Do you feel better? It doesnt matter what the Op said there was evidence every where he was trolling. Whther you feel the post is troll or not the results are a thread full of flaming that was easy to see comming that could have been averted easily. And you your the same the thread fell after my last post but instead of letting the post die you had to keep going. So now what are we arguing about? Hurt feelings from some who deleted his account? Or is it that we werent kind enough to a trolling fool? Or are you going to keep going to prove a point? Cause right now your flaming and your the one keeping it going. Like I said ball in your court hopefully the comments will get dumb enough to close thread so the BS can be over.

    Even so I kept my word and I reported the thread for being off topic and nothing but a flame war at this point like I said keep adding the dumb comments till it gets closed its the only solution to the poster after this 1 ty /reported

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  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

    Originally posted by mainvein33

    Originally posted by Nesrie

    Originally posted by Rajen

    Originally posted by Nesrie

    Originally posted by Rajen

     

    Obviously you had issues with me calling you out as well because you completely ignore truths put in front of you that you don't like. You are being just as blind as the OP was. I had no issues with the poster until he posted non-sense just to slander a game he doesn't like.

     I barely addressed you at all. You didn't even quote my reply to what you said. You're not Talin after all. You didn't call me out on anything, you made some generalized statement  with no specifics to address which is why I didn't address them. I am referring only to the OP 1st post in this thread, nothing else.

     

    As I stated to you several posts ago.... Some of his first post has been proven wrong.

    From my last post since you obviously didn't see it.

     

     

    "

    I guess you didn't read my posts and view my screenshots of the Auction House existing which the OP seems to think the game won't have.

     

    I called him out on it and gave proof that it's there, he was hard headed and wouldn't accept it.

     

    "

    You've got this obession with calling people out. I am not sure why. A person makes a list of observations. Someone comes on and points out that some of these issues are bugs, someone else mentions xyz features are not yet implemented. Yes, I read that post but not the one where you "called me out" because that was just one sentence with no info. The OP wasn't wrong. The AH isn't there, they were just misinformed as to why it was there. 

    I went over the list with my friends who are also looking at FFXIV. We noted, like Etra said, a number of things on the list are bugs probably going to be fixed, and the others are features not yet implemented with really the only leading concern being the UI and some performance we know they are working on and hope will prove fruitful.

    My only issue is how some peple got on this thread and decided to call it a troll post. That it got heated later, well yeah that happens when you get one person who says a lot of negative things against an upcoming game against a fanbase who is labelling him a troll no matter what he says or does.

    I repeat. There was nothing, nothing wrong with the 1st post. Etra's reply was informative and helpful which made the first posts useful. The rest was just this rage and flame fest that was completely unnecessary (including from the OP).

    Well too bad that was the response if you are to blind to see the fact that the post was troll that your problem right now your the troll you could have let things be but you insisted on starting sh*t and now its here. Do you feel better? It doesnt matter what the Op said there was evidence every where he was trolling. Whther you feel the post is troll or not the results are a thread full of flaming that was easy to see comming that could have been averted easily. And you your the same the thread fell after my last post but instead of letting the post die you had to keep going. So now what are we arguing about? Hurt feelings from some who deleted his account? Or is it that we werent kind enough to a trolling fool? Or are you going to keep going to prove a point? Cause right now your flaming and your the one keeping it going. Like I said ball in your court hopefully the comments will get dumb enough to close thread so the BS can be over.

     And you're helping nothing, and now I'm helping nothing.

     

     

    Everyone, STFU Thanks

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • NesrieNesrie Member Posts: 648

    Originally posted by mainvein33

     

    Well too bad that was the response if you are to blind to see the fact that the post was troll that your problem right now your the troll you could have let things be but you insisted on starting sh*t and now its here. Do you feel better? It doesnt matter what the Op said there was evidence every where he was trolling. Whther you feel the post is troll or not the results are a thread full of flaming that was easy to see comming that could have been averted easily. And you your the same the thread fell after my last post but instead of letting the post die you had to keep going. So now what are we arguing about? Hurt feelings from some who deleted his account? Or is it that we werent kind enough to a trolling fool? Or are you going to keep going to prove a point? Cause right now your flaming and your the one keeping it going. Like I said ball in your court hopefully the comments will get dumb enough to close thread so the BS can be over.

     If you think i am trolling or flaming, go ahead and report me. I think we both know you've completely lost sight of what trolls and flames are if you do though.  Your need to control threads is... interesting.

    parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.

  • NesrieNesrie Member Posts: 648

    Originally posted by twrule

    This thread is dead already - the discussion is pretty much over.  However, I'd like to point something out.

    There are reasons the OP got the responses he did.  I'm not saying they were all warranted necessarily.  However, the day before he made this thread, he made another thread which had no facts, and only negative opinions about the game - telling everyone not to buy it.  He established quite clearly there that he had a bias against the game.

    Then he makes this thread, which isn't even titled "known issues with beta" or "expect such and such".  He just listed negative things about the beta, and then in following posts made it clear that he was trying to use those issues as a premise to go back to his initial position that the game was horrible and no one should buy it.  Even with a list of issues, assuming they were all factual to the best of his knowledge, most did not strongly support his conclusion that we should not buy the game.

    I'm sure you can understand, knowing this now, why he got many of the negative reactions he did.  I'm just trying to put that in perspective for you.

    Maybe you can understand that not everyone is interested in one game and reads every single thread that gets posted in the FFXIV thread. Until about page 5, this thread was rather civil, then these others came in.  And then all you have is someone posting a list of bugs and feature concerns, most of which were addressed later by more informed members of the site, thankfully Etra was at least civil. Then towards then end you just get this incredible amount of rage from people.

    Sure I can understand that conflicts carry over from other discussions, but that uncontrollable rage and anger seems turned on pretty much anyone who dares question the necessity of the tone that this thread took.

    parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.

  • CorresCorres Member Posts: 132

    and still this thread is more "normal" than the threads in the beta-forum.

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by Nesrie

    Originally posted by twrule

    This thread is dead already - the discussion is pretty much over.  However, I'd like to point something out.

    There are reasons the OP got the responses he did.  I'm not saying they were all warranted necessarily.  However, the day before he made this thread, he made another thread which had no facts, and only negative opinions about the game - telling everyone not to buy it.  He established quite clearly there that he had a bias against the game.

    Then he makes this thread, which isn't even titled "known issues with beta" or "expect such and such".  He just listed negative things about the beta, and then in following posts made it clear that he was trying to use those issues as a premise to go back to his initial position that the game was horrible and no one should buy it.  Even with a list of issues, assuming they were all factual to the best of his knowledge, most did not strongly support his conclusion that we should not buy the game.

    I'm sure you can understand, knowing this now, why he got many of the negative reactions he did.  I'm just trying to put that in perspective for you.

    Maybe you can understand that not everyone is interested in one game and reads every single thread that gets posted in the FFXIV thread. Until about page 5, this thread was rather civil, then these others came in.  And then all you have is someone posting a list of bugs and feature concerns, most of which were addressed later by more informed members of the site, thankfully Etra was at least civil. Then towards then end you just get this incredible amount of rage from people.

    Sure I can understand that conflicts carry over from other discussions, but that uncontrollable rage and anger seems turned on pretty much anyone who dares question the necessity of the tone that this thread took.

    I wasn't saying that you should have known that - just letting you know.  

    Yeah, flame wars happen a lot on forums like these - though honestly after rereading several of the OP's posts after his original one, his attitude seemed to have a pretty decent part in stirring up the flames.  Not saying some of the reactions were warranted, but none of it really matters at this point - all we can really do is move on.

  • NesrieNesrie Member Posts: 648

    Originally posted by twrule

    I wasn't saying that you should have known that - just letting you know.  

    Yeah, flame wars happen a lot on forums like these - though honestly after rereading several of the OP's posts after his original one, his attitude seemed to have a pretty decent part in stirring up the flames.  Not saying some of the reactions were warranted, but none of it really matters at this point - all we can really do is move on.

     Thanks for letting me know. I am not familiar with that user at all really, just in this post. Yeah his first post was fine, but the like i said it kind of spiralled down after page 5, OP included.

    I'll move on, I just hope that other people will feel free to post their observations, opinions, whatever it is later, and let us know if there are corrections to be made (bugs fixed), UI improvements, and especially input from new features added without feeling like if they do so they're going to get jumped, and mugged, especially if their information is either misinformed or wrong.  I think the OP should have taken corrections a little better, and it was a little dramatic to delete an account too.

    parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by Nesrie

    Originally posted by twrule

    I wasn't saying that you should have known that - just letting you know.  

    Yeah, flame wars happen a lot on forums like these - though honestly after rereading several of the OP's posts after his original one, his attitude seemed to have a pretty decent part in stirring up the flames.  Not saying some of the reactions were warranted, but none of it really matters at this point - all we can really do is move on.

     Thanks for letting me know. I am not familiar with that user at all really, just in this post. Yeah his first post was fine, but the like i said it kind of spiralled down after page 5, OP included.

    I'll move on, I just hope that other people will feel free to post their observations, opinions, whatever it is later, and let us know if there are corrections to be made (bugs fixed), UI improvements, and especially input from new features added without feeling like if they do so they're going to get jumped, and mugged, especially if their information is either misinformed or wrong.  I think the OP should have taken corrections a little better, and it was a little dramatic to delete an account too.

    Agreed.  That said - there's a slightly more productive (so far) thread going on regarding beta impressions and info where others can feel free to share their experiences:

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/287656/page/3

  • trepotrepo Member Posts: 119

    Originally posted by Nesrie

     Thanks for letting me know. I am not familiar with that user at all really, just in this post. Yeah his first post was fine, but the like i said it kind of spiralled down after page 5, OP included.

    I'll move on, I just hope that other people will feel free to post their observations, opinions, whatever it is later, and let us know if there are corrections to be made (bugs fixed), UI improvements, and especially input from new features added without feeling like if they do so they're going to get jumped, and mugged, especially if their information is either misinformed or wrong.  I think the OP should have taken corrections a little better, and it was a little dramatic to delete an account too.

    I welcome constructive arguments and feedbacks. When someone post only negative feedbacks offering no solution or a glimpse of a solution to address the issue, it's clearly biased.

  • NesrieNesrie Member Posts: 648

    Originally posted by twrule

    Agreed.  That said - there's a slightly more productive (so far) thread going on regarding beta impressions and info where others can feel free to share their experiences:

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/287656/page/3

     Oh this is a nice one. Thank you!

    parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.

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