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World of Warcraft: Blizzard Another $88.5 Million in the Green

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  • uohaloranuohaloran Member Posts: 811

    It still doesn't excuse them for avoiding the real leech to their game that is gold farmers. It's like using an elephant gun for a mouse.

  • ThillianThillian Member UncommonPosts: 3,156

    Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by expresso

    Blizzard take down the glider bot and now a pirate server good to see some one doing something... both were making money from blizzards work.

    As to the gold sellers most are best in China and.... well an american company can do jack about a company in china... so gold sellers are here to stay.

     No, you know jack...., IGE.com the biggest gold seller is in fact US company.

     And IGE has enough money to make a legal battle become highly expensive and last for years, and the owner has promised to do so as well. So after Blizzard and other companies spend 10s and 10s of millions and a lot of time to win against them, they don't gain any money from it and all of the China based ones continue to run. What exactly is in it for companies then?

     

    At one point the music industry thought it would wage a war on all the teenagers out there pirating music, the amount of people pirating music went up through out this time and they eventually just gave up. They weren't gaining money from fighting that much because the amounts they'd win in legal suits could never be paid by the families. When people are determined to break the law there will always be people there who will provide them the means. Shutting down 1 gold seller site just allows more to open. There are only a handful of private servers/people talented enough to run a private server in the first place so it is a much easier battle to fight.

     Yes, and that's why this is the kind of thing that usually deal a huge reputation blow to the company. Giants should be fightning giants, not little girls. Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous.

    They picked up a fight against a little girl and not a real bad guys here - IGE.com. How coward is that? And you're even defending that?

    REALITY CHECK

  • expressoexpresso Member UncommonPosts: 2,218

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by expresso

    Blizzard take down the glider bot and now a pirate server good to see some one doing something... both were making money from blizzards work.

    As to the gold sellers most are best in China and.... well an american company can do jack about a company in china... so gold sellers are here to stay.

     No, you know jack...., IGE.com the biggest gold seller is in fact US company.

     And IGE has enough money to make a legal battle become highly expensive and last for years, and the owner has promised to do so as well. So after Blizzard and other companies spend 10s and 10s of millions and a lot of time to win against them, they don't gain any money from it and all of the China based ones continue to run. What exactly is in it for companies then?

     

    At one point the music industry thought it would wage a war on all the teenagers out there pirating music, the amount of people pirating music went up through out this time and they eventually just gave up. They weren't gaining money from fighting that much because the amounts they'd win in legal suits could never be paid by the families. When people are determined to break the law there will always be people there who will provide them the means. Shutting down 1 gold seller site just allows more to open. There are only a handful of private servers/people talented enough to run a private server in the first place so it is a much easier battle to fight.

     Yes, and that's why this is the kind of thing that usually deal a huge reputation blow to the company. Giants should be fightning giants, not little girls. Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous.

    They picked up a fight against a little girl and not a real bad guys here - IGE.com. How coward is that? And you're even defending that?

     A little girl with 3 million dollars.  There are MMO's out there that dont make 3millions dollars.  3 million is not little.

  • EricDanieEricDanie Member UncommonPosts: 2,238

    Private servers, hacking and gold farming - the filthy plague of MMOs.

  • mklinicmklinic Member RarePosts: 2,014

    Originally posted by Thillian

     Yes, and that's why this is the kind of thing that usually deal a huge reputation blow to the company. Giants should be fightning giants, not little girls. Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous.

    They picked up a fight against a little girl and not a real bad guys here - IGE.com. How coward is that? And you're even defending that?

    Wasn't the "little girl" doing business as Scapegaming and making money of microtransactions on the private server? If so, you can try to paint her as a victim, but this wasn't something she set up out of principle and it is hard to be sympathetic.

    As far as the judgement, it was a default judgement which (and I may be wrong here) normally indicates someone didn't show up. The judgement itself breaks down to $3,053,339 of inappropriate profits, $63,600 of attorney's fees, and $85,478,600 of statutory damages.

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  • ShadowzanonShadowzanon Member UncommonPosts: 350

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by SnarlingWolf


    Originally posted by Thillian


    Originally posted by expresso

    Blizzard take down the glider bot and now a pirate server good to see some one doing something... both were making money from blizzards work.

    As to the gold sellers most are best in China and.... well an american company can do jack about a company in china... so gold sellers are here to stay.

     No, you know jack...., IGE.com the biggest gold seller is in fact US company.

     And IGE has enough money to make a legal battle become highly expensive and last for years, and the owner has promised to do so as well. So after Blizzard and other companies spend 10s and 10s of millions and a lot of time to win against them, they don't gain any money from it and all of the China based ones continue to run. What exactly is in it for companies then?

     

    At one point the music industry thought it would wage a war on all the teenagers out there pirating music, the amount of people pirating music went up through out this time and they eventually just gave up. They weren't gaining money from fighting that much because the amounts they'd win in legal suits could never be paid by the families. When people are determined to break the law there will always be people there who will provide them the means. Shutting down 1 gold seller site just allows more to open. There are only a handful of private servers/people talented enough to run a private server in the first place so it is a much easier battle to fight.

     Yes, and that's why this is the kind of thing that usually deal a huge reputation blow to the company. Giants should be fightning giants, not little girls. Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous.

    They picked up a fight against a little girl and not a real bad guys here - IGE.com. How coward is that? And you're even defending that?

    regardless both are the bad guys. just ige is the bully who steals blizzards lunch money every day while this so called"little girl" would take dig into  blizzards book bag and rob what she can.   we have no idea if even ige is being sued or not. why this "little girls case went quick was the fact that she got sued and didnt even go to court, nada. which is main reason why were seeing a huge lump sum of cash.  if she would have showed up and defended her case she probably would have been deprived of her earnings, server shut down and pay legal fees.

    Nintendo is alsow known to hunt down these evil little boys and girls also and they are much more fierce than blizzard defending their stuff. like ige.com nintendo is having a hard time with the r4 cards and roms of their games. some things are much harder than others.

    btw the woman in question is gonna have a hard time going for bankrupcy now with suit on her. things are not like years ago.  shes most likely going to lose everything she managed to purchase and then some, but for sure blizzard wont see all that money.

  • Tyraell91Tyraell91 Member Posts: 25

    go go blizz

  • sinloisinloi Member UncommonPosts: 201

    the other main reason why she was sued and the gold sellers were not.

    lets say there is a company involving 5 gold farmers. each gold farmer probably has 5 accounts.

    that is 25 accounts each paying 15 a month which equals 375 a month, and that is just a small company.

    that's if they are not banned of course, if they are banned they just use free trials(unless trading is disabled in free trials wouldn't know that part myself)

    so now take a bigger company. Sure they make alot off of gold selling but blizzard also gets alot.

    so it becomes a we'll bust you if we catch you but sueing yu means we lose ALOT of accounts.

  • uohaloranuohaloran Member Posts: 811


    Originally posted by sinloi
    the other main reason why she was sued and the gold sellers were not.
    lets say there is a company involving 5 gold farmers. each gold farmer probably has 5 accounts.
    that is 25 accounts each paying 15 a month which equals 375 a month, and that is just a small company.
    that's if they are not banned of course, if they are banned they just use free trials(unless trading is disabled in free trials wouldn't know that part myself)
    so now take a bigger company. Sure they make alot off of gold selling but blizzard also gets alot.
    so it becomes a we'll bust you if we catch you but sueing yu means we lose ALOT of accounts.

    So it's greed, then, yeah?
  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    Originally posted by Thillian

     Yes, and that's why this is the kind of thing that usually deal a huge reputation blow to the company. Giants should be fightning giants, not little girls. Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous.

    They picked up a fight against a little girl and not a real bad guys here - IGE.com. How coward is that? And you're even defending that?

    I guess she is only breaking the law a little bit and that is why blizzard should leave her alone?  Is that really what you are trying to imply here?

     

    Blizzard sued a gold seller and put them out of business.  Good.

    Blizzard sued a bot program maker and put them out of business.  Good.

    Blizzard sued a pay-to-play private server and put them out of business.  Good.

     

    Please tell me what is morally wrong with any of those cases? 

     

    You are being an idiot by trying to paint these as being bad things for a company, their game and the entire industry.   As if blizzard is just picking on some poor poor little girl.  This "little girl" was savy enough to make millions of dollars and run an emulated server, so stop trying to downplay her abilities to be a criminal. 

     

    All of these legal victories will make it more difficult for other companies to fight lawsuits.  That is good for every single mmo company on the market.  

    At least blizzard is trying.  Care to point out any other mmo company going this far or having as much success?  No?  Ok thanks.

     

  • SchaapjeSchaapje Member UncommonPosts: 35

    I feel no pity for him/her. He/she got what he/she deserved.

    I'm all for piracy and private servers and all, but making (alot of) money off of things you didn't make yourself is asking for it.

    He/she knew what would happen if you sell stuff for money when you're running a private server.

  • FolbyOrbFolbyOrb Member UncommonPosts: 357

    Originally posted by Thillian

    This is the kind of thing that usually deal a huge reputation hit to the company. Obviously, not this time. The mindless army of Blizzard fanboys are even defending the giant against a little girl with a private server. How on earth do you rationalize that the Blizzard is not SUEING GOLD SELLING WEBSITES that are making hundreds of milions?

    Not that it makes it right, but people tend to only take on fights they feel they can win. Blizzard are people too, even though some like to think they are not. If there are gold sellers with millions at their disposal, they are likely to have available to them a good team of lawyers.

    A single person company probably has no legal representation available to them.

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  • ThillianThillian Member UncommonPosts: 3,156

    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by Thillian

     Yes, and that's why this is the kind of thing that usually deal a huge reputation blow to the company. Giants should be fightning giants, not little girls. Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous.

    They picked up a fight against a little girl and not a real bad guys here - IGE.com. How coward is that? And you're even defending that?

     I guess she is only breaking the law a little bit and that is why blizzard should leave her alone?

    You're asking something that I answered already about 5 centimetres above your question. 

    "Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous."

     Blizzard sued a gold seller and put them out of business.  Good.

     You are being an idiot by trying to paint these as being bad things for a company, their game and the entire industry.    

     yadda yadda

     

    Please, give it a minute next time and read what I wrote before replying. Especially if you're resorting to such a strong words.

    Idiot is the one who thinks Blizzard put any gold seller out of business. What is IGE.com then? I can find you hundreds of gold sellers. Am I the idiot, or you who believes that there are no gold sellers, and that Blizzard "put them out of business."

    This is exactly what I meant when I said, an army of mindless Blizzard fanboys. Seriously, believing there are no gold sellers, is without a doubt mindless.

    REALITY CHECK

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Daffid011


     

     I guess she is only breaking the law a little bit and that is why blizzard should leave her alone?

    Woah, I already replied to that like 5 centimetres above that with "Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous."

    She got "this" because she didn't show up to fight for herself. Secondly it was the court system that awarded Blizzard what they were seeking. Ridiculous or not, they obviously didn't feel it was.

     

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,079

    Profit from someone else's work, you deserve what you get.

    She probably didn't respond because the money is long gone (or hidden) and she'll be moving to the Barbados soon.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Idiot is the one who thinks Blizzard put any gold seller out of business. What is IGE.com then? I can find you hundreds of gold sellers. Am I the idiot, or you who believes that there are no gold sellers, and that Blizzard "put them out of business."

    This is exactly what I meant when I said, an army of mindless Blizzard fanboys. Seriously, believing there are no gold sellers, is without a doubt mindless.

    I don't think he said Blizzard put all gold sellers out of business, he was basically saying whether Blizzard puts a private server out of business, or a gold seller it's both good for them and good for the industry as it sets a precedent.

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  • SnarlingWolfSnarlingWolf Member Posts: 2,697

    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by Thillian

     Yes, and that's why this is the kind of thing that usually deal a huge reputation blow to the company. Giants should be fightning giants, not little girls. Blizzard should asked for server cease and compensation for the fees + any profit she might possibly make. Not this, this is ridiculous.

    They picked up a fight against a little girl and not a real bad guys here - IGE.com. How coward is that? And you're even defending that?

    I guess she is only breaking the law a little bit and that is why blizzard should leave her alone?  Is that really what you are trying to imply here?

     

    Blizzard sued a gold seller and put them out of business.  Good.

    Blizzard sued a bot program maker and put them out of business.  Good.

    Blizzard sued a pay-to-play private server and put them out of business.  Good.

     

    Please tell me what is morally wrong with any of those cases? 

     

    You are being an idiot by trying to paint these as being bad things for a company, their game and the entire industry.   As if blizzard is just picking on some poor poor little girl.  This "little girl" was savy enough to make millions of dollars and run an emulated server, so stop trying to downplay her abilities to be a criminal. 

     

    All of these legal victories will make it more difficult for other companies to fight lawsuits.  That is good for every single mmo company on the market.  

    At least blizzard is trying.  Care to point out any other mmo company going this far or having as much success?  No?  Ok thanks.

     

     The people saying Blizzard was wrong for doing it are the same people that play on private servers, pirate movies/music and try to get through life by screwing over companies because it's cool. You can't have a rational reasonable argument with them about how when a person breaks the law they get in trouble, it just won't work.

     

    As far as other companies trying, I know AC has had a lot of AC and AC2 private servers shut down over the years. They just didn't have to bring anyone to court because everyone stopped after getting the C&D letters. They just got another one like 6 months ago.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Please, give it a minute next time and read what I wrote before replying. Especially if you're resorting to such a strong words.

    Idiot is the one who thinks Blizzard put any gold seller out of business. What is IGE.com then? I can find you hundreds of gold sellers. Am I the idiot, or you who believes that there are no gold sellers, and that Blizzard "put them out of business."

    This is exactly what I meant when I said, an army of mindless Blizzard fanboys. Seriously, believing there are no gold sellers, is without a doubt mindless.

    Did I say Blizzard put ALL goldsellers out of business or did I say blizzard put ONE gold seller out of business? 

    You can try to apply your selective reading all you like and then blather on about someone elses lack of reading comprehension, but what I said is 100% true.  

    If you don't believe blizzard put a gold seller out of business then I invite you to go to www.peons4hire.com and see where that leads.   Spoiler alert:  it leads to blizzards website about the pitfalls of currency sales.  I wonder how blizzard got that url?  Hrmm....

     

    Now if only there was some sort of website where you could search for news articles about the subject being discusses and find some of the answers to your own questions.  That sure would be nice wouldn't it?

     

     

     

     

  • ThillianThillian Member UncommonPosts: 3,156

    Originally posted by Malickie

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Idiot is the one who thinks Blizzard put any gold seller out of business. What is IGE.com then? I can find you hundreds of gold sellers. Am I the idiot, or you who believes that there are no gold sellers, and that Blizzard "put them out of business."

    This is exactly what I meant when I said, an army of mindless Blizzard fanboys. Seriously, believing there are no gold sellers, is without a doubt mindless.

    I don't think he said Blizzard put all gold sellers out of business, he was basically saying whether Blizzard puts a private server out of business, or a gold seller it's both good for them and good for the industry as it sets a precedent.

    " Blizzard sued a gold seller and put them out of business.  Good."

    This is his quote.

    And for christ sake, for the other poster, I don't play WoW, I never really did for more than a month. I am not defending the girl, I am asking why the same isnt happening to the gold sellers. Don't twist it all around.

    REALITY CHECK

  • SnarlingWolfSnarlingWolf Member Posts: 2,697

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Malickie

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Idiot is the one who thinks Blizzard put any gold seller out of business. What is IGE.com then? I can find you hundreds of gold sellers. Am I the idiot, or you who believes that there are no gold sellers, and that Blizzard "put them out of business."

    This is exactly what I meant when I said, an army of mindless Blizzard fanboys. Seriously, believing there are no gold sellers, is without a doubt mindless.

    I don't think he said Blizzard put all gold sellers out of business, he was basically saying whether Blizzard puts a private server out of business, or a gold seller it's both good for them and good for the industry as it sets a precedent.

    " Blizzard sued a gold seller and put them out of business.  Good."

    This is his quote. And this guy is calling me idiot. Someone who believes, blizzard put gold sellers out of business (notice the word them)

    And for christ sake, for the other poster, I don't play WoW, I never really did for more than a month. I am not defending the girl, I am asking why the same isnt happening to the gold sellers. Don't twist it all around.

     You of all people just told someone to not twist it all around? That is hilarious, seriously.

     

    The "them" refers to the people working at the gold seller company that was put out of business, not all gold sellers on earth. Don't twist is all around.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by Malickie


    Originally posted by Thillian



    Idiot is the one who thinks Blizzard put any gold seller out of business. What is IGE.com then? I can find you hundreds of gold sellers. Am I the idiot, or you who believes that there are no gold sellers, and that Blizzard "put them out of business."

    This is exactly what I meant when I said, an army of mindless Blizzard fanboys. Seriously, believing there are no gold sellers, is without a doubt mindless.

    I don't think he said Blizzard put all gold sellers out of business, he was basically saying whether Blizzard puts a private server out of business, or a gold seller it's both good for them and good for the industry as it sets a precedent.

    " Blizzard sued a gold seller and put them out of business.  Good."

    This is his quote.

    And for christ sake, for the other poster, I don't play WoW, I never really did for more than a month. I am not defending the girl, I am asking why the same isnt happening to the gold sellers. Don't twist it all around.

    Well after reading his next post, you can see the "them" he was referring to was the "one" gold seller he was referring to. I was wrong about the point he was trying to make or so it  seems.

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  • Musket-SquidMusket-Squid Member UncommonPosts: 386

    So she had her own server and ran it pretty well it seems. Goes to show that all that extra cost the companies are charging for every littler thing could be a nice sham. I know she isnt writin code, but the up keep is still there. Seems we are all still getting shafted by cost in so way or another. Could care less is Blizz lost some money to her. They will release the next pretty pony to all the monkies sooner or later and make 100x that give or take.

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  • SanguinelustSanguinelust Member UncommonPosts: 812

    I think it would be cheaper to commit suicide than to pay that back. Sucks to be her. Even though I'm not currently a big fan of Blizzard I am happy to see that justice was served. This is what happens when people get greedy, it was bad enough that she had stolen their code and ran a server of her own but to charge people as well. Now that is what you call balls. Maybe that's why she got, cause she doesn't have any :P

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001

    Good news, make people think twice before running a P-Server.

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  • jsanti3432bjsanti3432b Member Posts: 15

    Originally posted by Thomas2006



    I doubt the amount would have been so high if she would have fought it. But seeing as how she never replyed to the summons or anything for that matter, she got defaulted on so Blizzard was awarded the maxmium allowed by state laws in the case.

    Sadly she should have taken some of that 3 million+ she made from the private server and used it to get a lawyer. Atleast in that case she would not be in a situation of losing everything like she is now. As it stands now from the date the case went to try anything and everything she owns is more or less Blizzards at this point if she doesn't attempt to pay any of it.

    From what I have heard she ended up being 2-3 houses and several vehicles with the money she made. That combined with the fact that she was a business women and also had another job outside of this all. Doesn't look so great on her part.

    At this point and with Bankruptecy the way it has changed in the last 5 - 10 years.. She really is screwed for better part of the word.

    As far as the amount goes, I think it is a bit high but you have to understand. She did not even attempt to fight the court order. She didn't even take the time to reply to the summons letter on the case. I guess she figured if she never replyed they would just leave her alone or something.. Unfortently that is not how it works. You want to always reply to these things and atleast take it to court. That way no matter what happens you do not get defaulted on for the maxium amount allowed by law.  If she would have fought it I imagine the amount would have been alot less and in most cases just the amount she made from the private server + whatever amount blizzard could prove it lost / figured was damages it occured.  I imagine a settlement could have been reached at that point.


     

    Point made and taken. I believe this is the best response so far. Well researched and witholut assumption like everyone else that Blizzard will never see a dime. This person will have to claim bankruptcy and will lose A LOT.

    We aren't taking about some 16 year old kid. Or someone living out of a 1 bedroom apartment. This is a business woman with multiple homes, vehicles, and other assets that the CA Court system will liquidate if/when they claim bankruptcy.

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