WoW isn't going to die with Cataclysm. The changes they are making are for the best and will make it the best expansion to WoW to date. I forsee WoW lasting 10 or even 20 years into the future.
i find it funny the people who make the most WoW related topics are people who love WoW its like they cant do anything but talk about it... eating dinner they rant and rave... having sex they talk about it like really... who cares??
all this talk about X game beating WoW is retarded and only proves the people who care about such things should just stick to WoW where their thoughts on WoW matter.
i dont play WoW never really did, the limited time i played of it, wasnt that impressive. its your typical MMO fantasy game... debate that all you want.. i dont care. cause anyone can see WoW is WoW. other games are other games.
shouldnt compaire apples to oranges and say the apple will dominate the orange because you have a green apple and the orange is orange...
same is true for games. you dont say OH this game will be WoW because so an so developed it or its got this colour set over this other one..
i play my games cause they are enjoyable TO me.. just like people play WoW cause they enjoy it. there is no such thing as the next game to kill WoW... cause people dont really care about WoW.
WoW is like EQ. its an MMO. its fantasy.. its all rehashed over and over again. just like FPS games are rehashed.. like CoD its the same thing just a diffrent cover.
so no SC wont beat WoW nothing will be WoW.. because anyone with a brain wouldnt be stupid enough to develop the same stupid garbage over and over.
you want to beat out a game like WoW for player numbers, you develop a totally brand new system ... as of yet no one has, cause every retarded game dev looks at WoW's numbers and has wet dreams about it. so stupidly recreates the exact same junk ... ofcourse it fails.. no one wants to play WoW... or they would already be playing WoW....
OH and FYI... WoW will shut down and die, just like every other game has. when players get bored of it and something brand new comes out that isnt a stupid clone of every other game on the plant... or an attempt at cloning WoW
Much like James Cameron. The only person to beat his sales on a film was, well James Cameron. With the foothold that Blizzard has on the mmo industry, much that Nintendo is handheld systems, Blizzard "is" the mmo industry.
So in truth it makes sense that the only mmo to beat WoW would be another mmo created and published by Blizzard.
Thats my opinion.
It would be wise if they offered a package deal, like SOE's station pass, and potentially have the top two MMO's.
I've grown sick watching all the fanbois here tug one out to Blizzard.
OMG Blizzard is the best!!
How many of you fanbois played other MMO's pre-2004?
Its not the polish that everyone talks about. The freggin game was borken when it was released. Its the fact that the game is easy and accesible to the masses. Its the candyland of MMOs.
I dont know, if WoW gamers consider themselves dedicated MMO'rs who play a game with crap graphics, no risk for reward and like a boring hamster wheel grind for PvE gear and completly shallow PvP. Well then color me a non-gamer
And another thing? Who cares if another game beats WoW? Back when I played DAOC they had what maybe 100k subs? That was the best game I have played to date and thats all a game needs to stay intimate. Id much rather play a game like that and leave the WoW people to their game.
-Sin
PS.. WoW brought millions of non-mmo'rs to the market. WoW being their first game, if anyone remembers how hard it is to leave their first game, well.. there ya have it to. Hence the reason they keeps these monkeys playing.
Much like James Cameron. The only person to beat his sales on a film was, well James Cameron. With the foothold that Blizzard has on the mmo industry, much that Nintendo is handheld systems, Blizzard "is" the mmo industry.
So in truth it makes sense that the only mmo to beat WoW would be another mmo created and published by Blizzard.
Thats my opinion.
Nothing stays on top forever. Whether it be a Fortune 500 company, a sports team, a civilization or a dictator. So, eventually, something else will come along.
Do you really think Blizzards's next MMO will be polished like WoW's current state?
Well I think one of the reasons its so top secret is to not put the hype out that not only may effect the wow subs as of right now but also the fact that they know that they will not be able to transfer over a large mass of the wow subs if they release a product like wow was when they first released it or even more so most of the games that get rushed to the table to try and make money first and add content later, they are making enough money that they can go behind the scenes make a super polished game to release and everyone that would like to try it will expect no less.
Also, even though it is near impossible to release a game with no bugs or anything messed up in it as far as mmo's go they also have plenty of backing by anyone and their own money to hire a plethora of testers and/or people to fix the bugs in the game at first to make it run way more smooth than any other game that we have seen released since the new generation of mmo's.
That being said, they do have the ability to do this whether or not they do it is up to them but why else keep it a secret so long, they are waiting and watching other games is what I think, they care what the masses like and dislike and they will use the secrecy and the not announcing the game to their advantage and make it cater as much as possible to what the mass public wants and likes.
Now you can say its not the best, its simply the most popular, but its the most popular because its the best.
I would say it had the best marketing (still didn't see any other MMORPG making TV commercials) Blizzard did know how to manipulate the easy minded and hell they did a good job with it and by now they dont even have to do much anymore because of Statements like yours.
I will not deny that WoW was/is a good game (i am not a fan tho....kind of the opposite lol) but its really only the best for ppls who actually started MMOs because of WoW for the other ppls who actually were gamers before WoW its nothing more than a good game but nothing too special and i for once hope that WoW will never die or at least if than only for another Blizzard MMO so that the Crowd Blizzard manipulated to invade the MMO market at least for the biggest part will stay in there MMO.
I am not Judging anyone here am just saying that WoW attracted players i didn't like playing with so it really does a good Job of separating Gamers and well different kind of gamers....
the reason nobody has been able to beat WoW, was simply, the developers of these games fail at knowing what it is that makes WoW so great.
I have said it time and time again on this forum.
Things like Harsh DP, dont bring in numbers,,,, It gets rid of them,,,,,.
DP doesnt need to be harsh for the gameplay to be fun and challenging.
WoW has great PvP gameplay as well. People love hiding behind that age old excuse on this forum that WoW's PvP isnt Balance. Well no MMO I know of is 100% Balanced. So I dont see the point of running away from a similar PvP system that WoW has.
At most, what the dried out PvP fans of WoW want is a Simulation of AV, but maybe even on a larger scale.
Go back to check out the old Warhammer hype post back in the hype phase. People would title Warhammer's concept, as "WORLD AV".
Blizzard made the mistake of destroying AV, and not replacing it well for Persistent enjoyment. Some other developer, if they have a brain, could capsize on this opportunity. Warhammer failed on this, because they were driven by too much WoW hatred ego forum fan cheerleaders.
PvE is also a important aspect of WoW's domain.
People on this forum ,seem to be so against Raiding gameplay and such, that they failed to realize that Raiding is big time enjoyment for the masses. Even the Casuals, which is why Blizzard changed their concepts in the first place, to benefit both the Hard Core and the Casual gamers.
Another thing I noticed about this genre of gaming developers, is that it seems only BLIZZARD's fans do not criticize them for COPYING/STEALING IDEAS. I see daily, flames on this forum dealing with WoW Clones, and mess like that. But this seems to never be the case for the Top Dog of the MMORPG genre, aka WoW. Blizzard can steal ideas, and the forum fans cheer them on. But if lets say, Warhammer's developers did the same thing, they would get the flame bat from the Forum frantics out there.
An mmo to reach the numbers of WoW could only come from Blizzard, that's a fact.
There will never be another mmo that will reach or surpass WoW numbers, not even one made from Blizzard. You can take that to the bank. WoW really was a perfect storm situation.
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WoW isn't going to die with Cataclysm. The changes they are making are for the best and will make it the best expansion to WoW to date. I forsee WoW lasting 10 or even 20 years into the future.
i find it funny the people who make the most WoW related topics are people who love WoW its like they cant do anything but talk about it... eating dinner they rant and rave... having sex they talk about it like really... who cares??
all this talk about X game beating WoW is retarded and only proves the people who care about such things should just stick to WoW where their thoughts on WoW matter.
i dont play WoW never really did, the limited time i played of it, wasnt that impressive. its your typical MMO fantasy game... debate that all you want.. i dont care. cause anyone can see WoW is WoW. other games are other games.
shouldnt compaire apples to oranges and say the apple will dominate the orange because you have a green apple and the orange is orange...
same is true for games. you dont say OH this game will be WoW because so an so developed it or its got this colour set over this other one..
i play my games cause they are enjoyable TO me.. just like people play WoW cause they enjoy it. there is no such thing as the next game to kill WoW... cause people dont really care about WoW.
WoW is like EQ. its an MMO. its fantasy.. its all rehashed over and over again. just like FPS games are rehashed.. like CoD its the same thing just a diffrent cover.
so no SC wont beat WoW nothing will be WoW.. because anyone with a brain wouldnt be stupid enough to develop the same stupid garbage over and over.
you want to beat out a game like WoW for player numbers, you develop a totally brand new system ... as of yet no one has, cause every retarded game dev looks at WoW's numbers and has wet dreams about it. so stupidly recreates the exact same junk ... ofcourse it fails.. no one wants to play WoW... or they would already be playing WoW....
OH and FYI... WoW will shut down and die, just like every other game has. when players get bored of it and something brand new comes out that isnt a stupid clone of every other game on the plant... or an attempt at cloning WoW
It would be wise if they offered a package deal, like SOE's station pass, and potentially have the top two MMO's.
I've grown sick watching all the fanbois here tug one out to Blizzard.
OMG Blizzard is the best!!
How many of you fanbois played other MMO's pre-2004?
Its not the polish that everyone talks about. The freggin game was borken when it was released. Its the fact that the game is easy and accesible to the masses. Its the candyland of MMOs.
I dont know, if WoW gamers consider themselves dedicated MMO'rs who play a game with crap graphics, no risk for reward and like a boring hamster wheel grind for PvE gear and completly shallow PvP. Well then color me a non-gamer
And another thing? Who cares if another game beats WoW? Back when I played DAOC they had what maybe 100k subs? That was the best game I have played to date and thats all a game needs to stay intimate. Id much rather play a game like that and leave the WoW people to their game.
-Sin
PS.. WoW brought millions of non-mmo'rs to the market. WoW being their first game, if anyone remembers how hard it is to leave their first game, well.. there ya have it to. Hence the reason they keeps these monkeys playing.
Why are people so obsessed with numbers and killing WoW...
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Beats me, they can keep their crappy game. Its the smuggness and cluelessness of the WoW fanbois that kills me.
WoW is the epitome of evil?
Nothing stays on top forever. Whether it be a Fortune 500 company, a sports team, a civilization or a dictator. So, eventually, something else will come along.
Isnt WOW already dead?????
Just ignore them like I do.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Why cant people accept that wow is the best mmo?
Now you can say its not the best, its simply the most popular, but its the most popular because its the best.
So Obesity is best because a large number of people are fatasses?
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Not necessarily something being the best is a matter of someone opinion, not a fact.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Even though I'm not a WOW hater (I just don't care about it, seems to be a rare occasion) sentewnces like the one above just make me say:
Shit has to be good, millions of flies can't be wrong!
Well I think one of the reasons its so top secret is to not put the hype out that not only may effect the wow subs as of right now but also the fact that they know that they will not be able to transfer over a large mass of the wow subs if they release a product like wow was when they first released it or even more so most of the games that get rushed to the table to try and make money first and add content later, they are making enough money that they can go behind the scenes make a super polished game to release and everyone that would like to try it will expect no less.
Also, even though it is near impossible to release a game with no bugs or anything messed up in it as far as mmo's go they also have plenty of backing by anyone and their own money to hire a plethora of testers and/or people to fix the bugs in the game at first to make it run way more smooth than any other game that we have seen released since the new generation of mmo's.
That being said, they do have the ability to do this whether or not they do it is up to them but why else keep it a secret so long, they are waiting and watching other games is what I think, they care what the masses like and dislike and they will use the secrecy and the not announcing the game to their advantage and make it cater as much as possible to what the mass public wants and likes.
I hate to go all dictionary on you, but here goes.
1. adjective better than all others: of the highest quality or standard or the most excellent type
ok a little sugestive
2. adjective most likely to succeed: most likely to have or come near to the desired outcome
...can you argue?
5. adverb most successfully: in a way that is most likely to have or come near to the desired outcome
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I would say it had the best marketing (still didn't see any other MMORPG making TV commercials) Blizzard did know how to manipulate the easy minded and hell they did a good job with it and by now they dont even have to do much anymore because of Statements like yours.
I will not deny that WoW was/is a good game (i am not a fan tho....kind of the opposite lol) but its really only the best for ppls who actually started MMOs because of WoW for the other ppls who actually were gamers before WoW its nothing more than a good game but nothing too special and i for once hope that WoW will never die or at least if than only for another Blizzard MMO so that the Crowd Blizzard manipulated to invade the MMO market at least for the biggest part will stay in there MMO.
I am not Judging anyone here am just saying that WoW attracted players i didn't like playing with so it really does a good Job of separating Gamers and well different kind of gamers....
McDonald's is the most popular hamburger joint in the world... do they sell the best hamburgers..?
WoW is the most popular, because it is the most mediocre... most available.
Just like good 'ole McDonald's...
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
I can't believe that I have to agree with you.
There will never be another mmo that will reach or surpass WoW numbers, not even one made from Blizzard. You can take that to the bank. WoW really was a perfect storm situation.