Arenanet has proven they can make an almost bug free game with GW1. I see no reason why GW2 shouldnt be just as polished at release.
The only downside to it as lobotomist already said is that it aint out yet.
If you even dare think an MMO release will be bug free and working perfectly fine then you need to throw all your MMO disks out your window and do some research on MMO launches. Then you can come back.
This will stop when ppl actually get in closed beta to relate bug and not just to get a head start of the game
And with hype like this, atleast 50% of the people getting into beta will not even report a bug, just play the game.
I just pray that Arena neta can recognize the overyhyped folk xP
If I get in I will hunt the bugs, not leveling my char to just get wiped later on lol
they are good streess testers though, and they will have their own guys looking at the same time too ;D
If they get in before the stress test phase, they could amass them in the starter area to fight the broodmother, and since the broodmother gains more abilities the more people their are, adding 50 random people would tell them a-net to tweak that system. *50 newbs walk up to fight broodmother* "For Arenanet!!!" *Great white flash*. 50 useless testers died, but they did not die in vain. Atleast, thats how I would use them.
The downside to every GW game is the community. People complain how bad WoW's community is, this one will be no bed of roses either. The game will be great though!
~- after that you've paid off all your debts. And other subsequent sales from that point on is 100% pure profit.
Really? They don't have to pay for servers, developers, or customer service?
Umm that's what profit is for, to support your game or expand or start a new project. What do you think profit is? Extra money to spend as you please? o.O?
Yes. Net income. The money you make after the overhead is met. Supporting a game or starting a new project is overhead. You don't think all the money these games make goes directly back into the game do you? O.0? All I was saying is that it didn't sound like eburn was considering the overhead.
I was considering the overhead.
The game is going to sell for 59.99 (standard, not CE edition) I can just about promise. That's a bit on the high end for a PC game. Still worth it if you think of the B2P model for a MMORPG.
I used the example of 20 dollars in actual PROFIT. Because honestly even at 60 bucks a pop to pay for game design, software production, printed materials, advertising, testing, and getting the servers up and running: I think 20 dollars is an optimistic profit made from the box.
Industry average for a stand alone game retailing at 49.99 is around 19.50.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
The downside to every GW game is the community. People complain how bad WoW's community is, this one will be no bed of roses either. The game will be great though!
Well there is a huge downside there , but also a huge upside, since you never get locked out from meeting your friends ingame , because you couldn't agree to play on the same server. That made guilds shine aswell.
The bad thing about GW2 is that it is non traditional in many ways, like how you get your gear.
That is not bad for everyone but many Wow players and fans of classical MMOs wont like it. Same things with no holy triad, it will force players to think more while they fight and not everyone will like that.
Ï am not so sure that there will be any raids either and that will also turn some players off.
Economy isn't really an issue, ANET has used the model since 2004, it works and they earn money as long as they sell enough copies. After all did they earn enough money from the first GW to make a sequel. They will never be as rich as Blizzard of course but that never was the idea either.
But GW2s greatest advantages and biggest downside is both that it is very different in many ways from traditional MMOs and that will both give it loyal fans and turn away people.
The bad thing about GW2 is that it is non traditional in many ways, like how you get your gear.
That is not bad for everyone but many Wow players and fans of classical MMOs wont like it. Same things with no holy triad, it will force players to think more while they fight and not everyone will like that.
Ï am not so sure that there will be any raids either and that will also turn some players off.
Economy isn't really an issue, ANET has used the model since 2004, it works and they earn money as long as they sell enough copies. After all did they earn enough money from the first GW to make a sequel. They will never be as rich as Blizzard of course but that never was the idea either.
But GW2s greatest advantages and biggest downside is both that it is very different in many ways from traditional MMOs and that will both give it loyal fans and turn away people.
The fact that the traditional WoW player might not like it is a bonus in a way. It will either force people to step out side the box and work for things or push them to another title. That is a win win in my book.
The downside to every GW game is the community. People complain how bad WoW's community is, this one will be no bed of roses either. The game will be great though!
True, the first GWs community got bad rather fast too.
No monthly fees means even more kids playing too even if I have a feeling this game will be a lot harder than Wows non raid zones. Not that I have anything against kids but really young people tend to have more idiots than older, experience do make people wiser even if not always wise enough.
The fact that the traditional WoW player might not like it is a bonus in a way. It will either force people to step out side the box and work for things or push them to another title. That is a win win in my book.
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Yes but it will not be so far all people. And it is not only the traditional Wow player that might not like it, fans from many other games might not also since it is different.
Some people love different things other want familiar things so what is good for you and me might not be good for someone else.
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little? From what I have seen GW2 is just that, flashy graphics lots of bullet pointed features but we all know the controls will be unresponsive, the game laggy (no sub fee means cheap servers) and once the new smell goes away that will be that.
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little? From what I have seen GW2 is just that, flashy graphics lots of bullet pointed features but we all know the controls will be unresponsive, the game laggy (no sub fee means cheap servers) and once the new smell goes away that will be that.
Well since you already seem to know how the game will be, nobody forces you to even try it on release. Others like me would love to give it a shot and see how unresponsive the controlls are, how laggy the game is and how much of an asian grinder it will be.
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little? From what I have seen GW2 is just that, flashy graphics lots of bullet pointed features but we all know the controls will be unresponsive, the game laggy (no sub fee means cheap servers) and once the new smell goes away that will be that.
Asian grindfest? Wow, just wow! Not sure what your grinding on, however the connotations itself is disturbing enough. Hopefully you can do it in the leisure and comfort of your personal space. Hopefully you don't mean level/experience grinding since its one of the winning factor (in my opinion of course) from its predecessors that you didnt require any grind (also based on your definition of whatever that may be). Similarly GW2 states that it offers a static difficulty in leveling, unlike the typical exponential curves of traditional mmorpgs.
Its not too hard to derive that you have never played GW before, and thus just pulling things out of your behind. A word of advice, if your that constipated, laxative works well, you can purchase some at your local pharmacist. Also we don't know the state of the game to even infer speculations of "game lagginess" since surely we don't know (most of us) of the results of any stress testing. Notice how I didn't bring up GW1 which functioned rather well (in my case) with such minor problems associated with lag, since we can't generalise across two different games. But, speaking from a correlational basis, it seems you should give the company credit where it is due, be happy that you don't have to pay a monthly fee (if you decide to pick the game up). GW1 functioned and lasted since it had expansion packs, which would probably bring in the money likewise for GW2 to keep up its servers.
Also, its up to YOU whether you want to believe these promises, whether you spend your money on barbie dolls (or whatever interests you) or GW2 is totally up to you to do the research. So in short: Its probably not GW2 thats going to smell, its most likely a result of your diarrhea from the mouth.
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little? From what I have seen GW2 is just that, flashy graphics lots of bullet pointed features but we all know the controls will be unresponsive, the game laggy (no sub fee means cheap servers) and once the new smell goes away that will be that.
This is frickin hilarious. I think you should try a Guild Wars game or do some research on an American company named Arenanet before you go blasting off how Guild Wars is an Asian grindfest game.
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little? From what I have seen GW2 is just that, flashy graphics lots of bullet pointed features but we all know the controls will be unresponsive, the game laggy (no sub fee means cheap servers) and once the new smell goes away that will be that.
It's good to see that you are the only person that has actually played the game in it's entirety. Good for you, GOOOOOOOD FOR YOU!
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little?
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark & guess that you never played GuildWars . ArenaNet is a US based developer & GuildWars is about the furthest thing from a grindfest that you could find . A quote from the GuildWars 2 Manifesto , " we just don't want players to grind in GuildWars 2 . No one enjoys that , no one finds that fun " .
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little?
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark & guess that you never played GuildWars . ArenaNet is a US based developer & GuildWars is about the furthest thing from a grindfest that you could find . A quote from the GuildWars 2 Manifesto , " we just don't want players to grind in GuildWars 2 . No one enjoys that , no one finds that fun " .
Yeah, you got some very convincing points there. Buuut.... I'm still betting on Asian Grindfest. Gogo!
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little?
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark & guess that you never played GuildWars . ArenaNet is a US based developer & GuildWars is about the furthest thing from a grindfest that you could find . A quote from the GuildWars 2 Manifesto , " we just don't want players to grind in GuildWars 2 . No one enjoys that , no one finds that fun " .
Yeah, you got some very convincing points there. Buuut.... I'm still betting on Asian Grindfest. Gogo!
& it's your prerogative , despite all evidence to the contrary , to believe that . Unfortunately , you will still be wrong .
Yes I have played GW1 and it was a yawn feast. IMHO... no jumping make me LOL.
Arena net might be US based but GW1 and GW2 go for the asian look and focus on the Asian market, and they do it rather well and thats the problem, I dont wont to run around looking like a transvestite if I want to play a human male or a 12 year hooker if I wont to player a human female.
Excuse me if I do not cream in my pants over a staged gameplay video.
Originally posted by expresso Hook, Line and Sinker.... Yes I have played GW1 and it was a yawn feast. IMHO... no jumping make me LOL. Arena net might be US based but GW1 and GW2 go for the asian look and focus on the Asian market, and they do it rather well and thats the problem, I dont wont to run around looking like a transvestite if I want to play a human male or a 12 year hooker if I wont to player a human female. Excuse me if I do not cream in my pants over a staged gameplay video.
Tell me what games you currently play because it seems that your projecting their qualities on to GW2, character models are nothing like you've described in GW or GW2. So jumping was the deal breaker in GW? That game is all about skill, grind only came in when GW2 was announced and they gave players titles to chase to keep them occupied until its release. I'm guessing you didn't get far in GW1.
The majority of the user base (51%) is EU
Fair enough not your game but lets see some valid arguments
Yes I have played GW1 and it was a yawn feast. IMHO... no jumping make me LOL.
Arena net might be US based but GW1 and GW2 go for the asian look and focus on the Asian market, and they do it rather well and thats the problem, I dont wont to run around looking like a transvestite if I want to play a human male or a 12 year hooker if I wont to player a human female.
Excuse me if I do not cream in my pants over a staged gameplay video.
Um no they don't. Prophecies had the camelot theme thing going on. Sure Factions was asion but nightfall had the african theme so we all officially know you have no clue what your talking about.
Yes I have played GW1 and it was a yawn feast. IMHO... no jumping make me LOL.
Arena net might be US based but GW1 and GW2 go for the asian look and focus on the Asian market, and they do it rather well and thats the problem, I dont wont to run around looking like a transvestite if I want to play a human male or a 12 year hooker if I wont to player a human female.
Excuse me if I do not cream in my pants over a staged gameplay video.
Sorry, but I didn't get that "Asian" feel when I watched all of the trailers, gameplay videos, and concept art slideshows. Could you clarify?
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little?
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark & guess that you never played GuildWars . ArenaNet is a US based developer & GuildWars is about the furthest thing from a grindfest that you could find . A quote from the GuildWars 2 Manifesto , " we just don't want players to grind in GuildWars 2 . No one enjoys that , no one finds that fun " .
Yeah, you got some very convincing points there. Buuut.... I'm still betting on Asian Grindfest. Gogo!
& it's your prerogative , despite all evidence to the contrary , to believe that . Unfortunately , you will still be wrong .
I was being sarcastic, sorry that it didn't go through. Gw2 seems to be anything but a grindfest, in fact you will be max level before you even now it! Heck, you're basically max level right off the bat....
Originally posted by expresso Hook, Line and Sinker.... Yes I have played GW1 and it was a yawn feast. IMHO... no jumping make me LOL. Arena net might be US based but GW1 and GW2 go for the asian look and focus on the Asian market, and they do it rather well and thats the problem, I dont wont to run around looking like a transvestite if I want to play a human male or a 12 year hooker if I wont to player a human female. Excuse me if I do not cream in my pants over a staged gameplay video.
I am not sure if I descend to the same level of discussion when I throw in a sentence like "Arenanet is the real Blizzard", while you play Starcraft 2010.
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If they get in before the stress test phase, they could amass them in the starter area to fight the broodmother, and since the broodmother gains more abilities the more people their are, adding 50 random people would tell them a-net to tweak that system. *50 newbs walk up to fight broodmother* "For Arenanet!!!" *Great white flash*. 50 useless testers died, but they did not die in vain. Atleast, thats how I would use them.
The downside to every GW game is the community. People complain how bad WoW's community is, this one will be no bed of roses either. The game will be great though!
I was considering the overhead.
The game is going to sell for 59.99 (standard, not CE edition) I can just about promise. That's a bit on the high end for a PC game. Still worth it if you think of the B2P model for a MMORPG.
I used the example of 20 dollars in actual PROFIT. Because honestly even at 60 bucks a pop to pay for game design, software production, printed materials, advertising, testing, and getting the servers up and running: I think 20 dollars is an optimistic profit made from the box.
Industry average for a stand alone game retailing at 49.99 is around 19.50.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
who tried to tell you that ? Arenantet call it something else. So who hyped you to that conclussion ?
http://www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars/features/default.php
Well there is a huge downside there , but also a huge upside, since you never get locked out from meeting your friends ingame , because you couldn't agree to play on the same server. That made guilds shine aswell.
The bad thing about GW2 is that it is non traditional in many ways, like how you get your gear.
That is not bad for everyone but many Wow players and fans of classical MMOs wont like it. Same things with no holy triad, it will force players to think more while they fight and not everyone will like that.
Ï am not so sure that there will be any raids either and that will also turn some players off.
Economy isn't really an issue, ANET has used the model since 2004, it works and they earn money as long as they sell enough copies. After all did they earn enough money from the first GW to make a sequel. They will never be as rich as Blizzard of course but that never was the idea either.
But GW2s greatest advantages and biggest downside is both that it is very different in many ways from traditional MMOs and that will both give it loyal fans and turn away people.
The fact that the traditional WoW player might not like it is a bonus in a way. It will either force people to step out side the box and work for things or push them to another title. That is a win win in my book.
END OF LINE_
~V
True, the first GWs community got bad rather fast too.
No monthly fees means even more kids playing too even if I have a feeling this game will be a lot harder than Wows non raid zones. Not that I have anything against kids but really young people tend to have more idiots than older, experience do make people wiser even if not always wise enough.
Yes but it will not be so far all people. And it is not only the traditional Wow player that might not like it, fans from many other games might not also since it is different.
Some people love different things other want familiar things so what is good for you and me might not be good for someone else.
Do we need yet another asian grindfest that promises so much but delivers very little? From what I have seen GW2 is just that, flashy graphics lots of bullet pointed features but we all know the controls will be unresponsive, the game laggy (no sub fee means cheap servers) and once the new smell goes away that will be that.
Well since you already seem to know how the game will be, nobody forces you to even try it on release. Others like me would love to give it a shot and see how unresponsive the controlls are, how laggy the game is and how much of an asian grinder it will be.
Thanks for the conversation.
Asian grindfest? Wow, just wow! Not sure what your grinding on, however the connotations itself is disturbing enough. Hopefully you can do it in the leisure and comfort of your personal space. Hopefully you don't mean level/experience grinding since its one of the winning factor (in my opinion of course) from its predecessors that you didnt require any grind (also based on your definition of whatever that may be). Similarly GW2 states that it offers a static difficulty in leveling, unlike the typical exponential curves of traditional mmorpgs.
Its not too hard to derive that you have never played GW before, and thus just pulling things out of your behind. A word of advice, if your that constipated, laxative works well, you can purchase some at your local pharmacist. Also we don't know the state of the game to even infer speculations of "game lagginess" since surely we don't know (most of us) of the results of any stress testing. Notice how I didn't bring up GW1 which functioned rather well (in my case) with such minor problems associated with lag, since we can't generalise across two different games. But, speaking from a correlational basis, it seems you should give the company credit where it is due, be happy that you don't have to pay a monthly fee (if you decide to pick the game up). GW1 functioned and lasted since it had expansion packs, which would probably bring in the money likewise for GW2 to keep up its servers.
Also, its up to YOU whether you want to believe these promises, whether you spend your money on barbie dolls (or whatever interests you) or GW2 is totally up to you to do the research. So in short: Its probably not GW2 thats going to smell, its most likely a result of your diarrhea from the mouth.
This is frickin hilarious. I think you should try a Guild Wars game or do some research on an American company named Arenanet before you go blasting off how Guild Wars is an Asian grindfest game.
It's good to see that you are the only person that has actually played the game in it's entirety. Good for you, GOOOOOOOD FOR YOU!
I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark & guess that you never played GuildWars . ArenaNet is a US based developer & GuildWars is about the furthest thing from a grindfest that you could find . A quote from the GuildWars 2 Manifesto , " we just don't want players to grind in GuildWars 2 . No one enjoys that , no one finds that fun " .
Yeah, you got some very convincing points there. Buuut.... I'm still betting on Asian Grindfest. Gogo!
& it's your prerogative , despite all evidence to the contrary , to believe that . Unfortunately , you will still be wrong .
Hook, Line and Sinker....
Yes I have played GW1 and it was a yawn feast. IMHO... no jumping make me LOL.
Arena net might be US based but GW1 and GW2 go for the asian look and focus on the Asian market, and they do it rather well and thats the problem, I dont wont to run around looking like a transvestite if I want to play a human male or a 12 year hooker if I wont to player a human female.
Excuse me if I do not cream in my pants over a staged gameplay video.
Tell me what games you currently play because it seems that your projecting their qualities on to GW2, character models are nothing like you've described in GW or GW2. So jumping was the deal breaker in GW? That game is all about skill, grind only came in when GW2 was announced and they gave players titles to chase to keep them occupied until its release. I'm guessing you didn't get far in GW1.
The majority of the user base (51%) is EU
Fair enough not your game but lets see some valid arguments
Um no they don't. Prophecies had the camelot theme thing going on. Sure Factions was asion but nightfall had the african theme so we all officially know you have no clue what your talking about.
Sorry, but I didn't get that "Asian" feel when I watched all of the trailers, gameplay videos, and concept art slideshows. Could you clarify?
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
I was being sarcastic, sorry that it didn't go through. Gw2 seems to be anything but a grindfest, in fact you will be max level before you even now it! Heck, you're basically max level right off the bat....
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<smiles> Now i feel sorry for Expresso... why are you all trying to bash him intoo a cup of capuchino?
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)